TELECOM Digest     Thu, 7 Apr 94 14:33:00 CDT    Volume 14 : Issue 170

Inside This Issue:                          Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Re: Windows or DOS Caller ID Program (Ralph Becker)
    Re: Bellcore Goes Crypto (John Perkins)
    Re: What's Up With the NANP (Carl Moore)
    Re: What's Up With the NANP (Michael Israeli)
    Cellular Privacy??? (malcolm@apple.com)
    Shopping For an 800 Number (Shahid Ikram Butt)
    Jargon Dictionary Wanted (John Conwell)
    Caller-ID FAQ Update and "Never Say Never" (A. Padgett Peterson)
    Re: New Use of ANI (James Taranto)
    Re: New Use of ANI (Ron DeBlock)
    Re: Will Widespread Use of Cell Phones Reduce Crime? (Evan Leibovitch)
    Re: Will Widespread Use of Cell Phones Reduce Crime? (Scott Johnston)
    Re: AT&T Cellular Privacy System (mcharry@cwc.com)
    Re: Information About ERMES Project (Rob Lockhart)
    Re: Canada Direct to European Customers - Why Not Possible? (Eric Snyder)
    Re: Local Charges for 950 and 800 Access? (John R. Grout)
    Re: Where Can I Find A Copy of Mosaic? (Evan Robatino)
    Re: Can I Use my Cellular Phone in Turkey and Germany? (Gerald Serviss)
    Re: History: Vail, Monopoly, AT&T (syntech@access.digex.com)
    Re: Los Angeles Phone Fire (Nevin Liber)
    Re: Alert! New CD-Rom Database a la Lotus: Household! (Robert Lightfoot)
    Re: Alert! New CD-Rom Database a la Lotus: Household! (Steve Brack)
    Colonel vs. Kernel (Theodore M.P. Lee)

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From: rbecker@xap.xyplex.com (Ralph Becker)
Subject: Re: Windows or DOS Caller ID Program
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 11:43:19 ET
Organization: Xyplex Customer Support


In article <telecom14.159.4@eecs.nwu.edu> fritzj@ecn.purdue.edu (Fritz
Friedlaender) writes:

> If you have a modem that supports caller ID (e.g. PP14400 - the mini-
> tower and internal version, NOT the pocket version) it is easy to
> store the CNID data on a PC.

> Get Kermit (for instance), at zero cost, and run a "log file".  This
> file will contain all the "ring" entries, and the Caller-ID information, 
> usually between the first and second ring. Just be sure that your
> communications program is running and Caller-ID enabled in the desired
> format, IF available on your modem.  See several very recent postings
> on the minimum conditions needed to make this work (in essence, if
> your Caller-ID box works, so will this scheme with the appropriate
> modem). Same information.

I would like to follow up briefly on my request for a Windows-based
Caller ID box simulation/replacement utility.  I got a few "me too"
requests, and I promised to let them know what I found.

The only software I was pointed to is a $15 Shareware Windows utility.
The file CID.ZIP is available in the Telecommunications Forum on
Compu$erve (search on "Caller" will find it).  I don't know of any FTP
sites that have this (yet).  This software is, er, a bit rough around
the edges.  I'm using it with my PPI PM14400FXMT, and it has several
bugs.  I am compiling a list that I will forward to the author.
However, it's all there is, apparently, for now.

The suggestion to use the logging feature on a Comm package was made
to me, and I actually already tried this (works fine) with Crosstalk
for Windows.  I am still using this approach for now.  I expect that
as Caller ID increases in popularity, more of this type of software
will become available in the coming months.


Ralph Becker
Xyplex Customer Support [Tech. Support hotline 800-435-7997]
rbecker@sup.xyplex.com or 71174.1262@compuserve.com

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From: johnper@bunsen.rosemount.com (John Perkins)
Subject: Re: Bellcore Goes Crypto
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 12:04:10 GMT


In article <telecom14.164.4@eecs.nwu.edu> wollman@ginger.lcs.mit.edu
(Garrett Wollman) writes:

> In article <telecom14.159.3@eecs.nwu.edu>, PAT writes:

>> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Thank you Colonel. Tell me this: any ideas
>> how Colonel came to be pronounced 'kernel' rather than 'call-on-nell'?

> There is a reason for this, oddly enough.  The English word `colonel'
> is a result of the collision between the French word `colonelle' and
> the Italian `coronello'.  For some unknown reason, English adopted the
> French spelling and the Italian pronunciation.

There is no 'r' sound in the British pronunciation of 'colonel'.
There is a sound that corresponds to the French 'eu', a sound that
does not occur in American speech.


John Perkins

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Date: Thu, 7 Apr 94 9:48:03 EDT
From: Carl Moore <cmoore@BRL.MIL>
Subject: Re: What's Up With the NANP


> other numbering resources such as service access codes (e.g., 500
and 900 codes)

What is the meaning of the inclusion of 500 here?  All I know about
500 is that it has been one of the "last-resort" N0X/N1X area codes.

> In addition, the Commission sought comment on the need, if any or
> for a nationally uniform dialing pattern that would use the digit "1"
> as a toll call identifier.

Notice this is ONLY the comment stage.  What would be affected is some
areas using just seven digits for long distance within area code.
Also, some cases of local calls to another area code require a leading 1.

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From: izzy@netaxs.com (Michael Israeli)
Subject: Re: What's Up With the NANP
Date: 6 Apr 1994 21:44:29 GMT
Organization: Netaxs BBS and shell accounts!


Where can one write or e-mail to state an opinion on this to?


Michael Israeli - (izzy@access.netaxs.com)


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I suppose one can now contact the FCC
via their new online thing with the net which we have been hearing
about. Does anyone know if the mail can go both directions on that
or if pen and paper still required?  :)    PAT]

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Subject: Cellular Privacy???
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 94 08:39:20 -0700
From: malcolm@apple.com


I saw a copy of RCD newsfax talking about cellular privacy.  The gist
of the article is that the Illinois Attorney General said "persons who
use a telephone which transmits by radio waves have no justifiable
expectation of privacy."  The Cellular Telecommunications Industry
Association quickly pointed out that this is not what the federal law
says and then goes on to say "As an industry, we are totally committed
to the personal privacy of cellular telephone users."

Hah!  If they were that committed then they would encrypt the transmission and
not depend on silly laws.


Malcolm

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From: sib1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Shahid Ikram Butt)
Subject: Shopping for an 800 number
Date: 7 Apr 1994 12:47:05 -0500
Organization: Mississippi State University


Hello World,

I am shopping for an 800 number for my business. We currently do not
have one but our phone bill still exceeds $1,000/month. We expect the
volume to increase with the new 800 number.

I know I should probably be calling LD companies. But I know next to
nothing about LD companies, their policies and charges etc. Any help
on who to call at what number etc would definitely be appreciated.

If you got a good rate and you liked the service from anybody, I would
like to hear from you. Thanks a million.


Shahid    sib1@Ra.Msstate.Edu

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From: John Conwell <magnus1!johnc@uu5.psi.com>
Subject: Jargon Dictionary Wanted
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 08:49:48 EDT


I am looking for a book/dictionary for the great number of telephone
(and cabletelevision) slang terms.  You know, RBOC, STS, etc.  I know
a few, but a desk-top guide to the oft used shorthand phrases would be
useful.  I believe that the once monolithic Ma Bell produced one
in-house, and probably the Baby Bells still do.  Anything would be
nice.  :}


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Have you checked out the online glossaries
which are part of the Telecom Archives? Use anonymous ftp to connect with
lcs.mit.edu. Then, 'cd telecom-archives/glossaries'. You'll find several
large files there; glossaries compiled at one time or another. You can also
obtain glossary entries using the Telecom Archives Email Information Service.
Use the regular instructions for that service. The command is given as
GLOSSARY <ACRONYM>. For example, 'GLOSSARY COCOT' would cause email to be
sent to you automatically explaining what that term meant.  PAT] 

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Date: Thu, 7 Apr 94 07:54:54 -0400
From: padgett@tccslr.dnet.mmc.com (A. Padgett Peterson)
Subject: Caller-ID FAQ Update and "Never Say Never"


I wrote:

> My understanding is that the Motorola chip and most Caller-ID boxes
> are designed to only accept data *before* pickup and to stop listening
> when the line is answered. Further, the through connection is only
> made once the line has been answered. For this reason there should not
> be a problem.

> Further, I have understood that a Caller-ID box would only accept one
> valid sequence per call.

I have since found out that the above is not always true. When I
studied the Motorola chip specs, I noted that this mode was available
but that the chip could also be placed in a maintenance mode (listen
always). Did not think that any box other than a test set would ever
do so since the alternative was obviously preferable in a consumer
environment. Wrong Again.

Turns out that a few manufacturers may have designed their boxes in
this mode (was told that some boxes sold by US West were this way -
have not personally confirmed it though) and *these* boxes could be
flooded/spoofed by the DE after call pickup.


Warmly,

Padgett

PS: I incorporated this information and other corrections submitted by
watchful readers into v 1.1 of the Caller-ID FAQ and sent to Pat for
inclusion in the archives.

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From: taranto@panix.com (James Taranto)
Subject: Re: New Use of ANI
Date: 7 Apr 1994 00:17:22 GMT
Organization: The Bad Taranto


In article <telecom14.161.11@eecs.nwu.edu>, rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
wrote:

> <all policital commentary left out, to address only telecom issues>

> 800-WHY-GUNS is an 800 number set up by a gun control proponent to
> accumulate messages from people wanting to recieve literature on their
> cause.

> Interesting points :

> - Some users report that the message changes after the third call
>   from the same number, stating that calls from a single number are
>   limited to three because of harassment from opponents [note: I wonder
>   if they still pay for a call to their computers to identify the
>   caller and leave this message?]

I tried the number.  The message changes on the third call, and
subsequent calls do not go through -- I got a fast busy on my fourth
call.  I dialed the number four times in rapid succession, so this is
done automatically.


Cheers,

James Taranto  taranto@panix.com

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From: news@cbnewsj.att.com
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 94 12:30:53 GMT
Subject: Re: New Use of ANI
Organization: AT&T


In article <telecom14.161.11@eecs.nwu.edu> rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob
Boudrie) writes:

>- Some users report that the message changes after the third call
>  from the same number, stating that calls from a single number are
>  limited to three because of harassment from opponents [note: I wonder
>  if they still pay for a call to their computers to identify the
>  caller and leave this message?]

This is not new.  Limiting calls based on ANI has been done before,
usually for contests and promotions.

>- The voice repsonse unit appears to do some checking on the zip
>  code spoken into the system -- it replies invalid entry if you
>  read in a nine digit zip (with a spoken dash in it).

Out of the box, the ASR systems I've seen do not understand "dash."
They understand "zero" through "nine", "oh" (== "zero"), "yes" and
"no."  Unless the VRU instructs (through the prompts) otherwise, I
would stick to that limited vocabulary when dealing with ASR systems.

Decent ASR systems support word spotting -- "dash" or any other words
not in the vocabulary would be ignored.


Ron DeBlock    AT&T Bell Labs / InfoWorx(R) Interactive Voice Service
Somerset, NJ, USA     rdb1@homxa.att.com

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From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Re: Will Widespread Use of Cell Phones Reduce Crime?
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 10:33:54 -0400
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto


In Ontario, they haven't yet told us they'd be charging for each 911
call, but there are a few alternates that (one would hope) discourage
people from clogging 911 to report fender benders.

In Ontario, *OPP gets one the Ontario Provincial Police (sorta like our
State Troopers) on a free-airtime call.

As well, though it ain't publicized much, *PEEL is a direct line to
the local police serving my city (Peel Region, covering Mississauga
and Brampton Ontario, just west of Toronto). Also airtime-free.

I have used both on occasion, as well as calling in accidents to local
radio stations. I have also used *CAA to call the local equivalent of
triple-A, thankfully not very often.


Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
       evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (905) 452-0504

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From: scottj@MCS.COM (Scott Johnston)
Subject: Re: Will Widespread Use of Cellphones Reduce Crime?
Date: 7 Apr 1994 01:01:08 -0500
Organization: Another MCSNet Subs., Chicago's First Public-Access Internet!


PAT says:

>> thus far in 1994 here, *27 children* have been killed in
>> the crossfire of gang-related incidents in Chicago.

 From the {Chicago Tribune}, April 4, 1994: (article about Le Twan Redmond,
killed 4/2/94) Section 1, page 1, sports final edition)

" Le twan was the sixth child aged 14 or younger to be killed in the
Chicago area in the last week; 5 of those were killed by gunfire. He
is the 15th child aged 14 and under to be killed in the Chicago area
this year."

Where do you get 27?


Scott in 60657


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Note the key phrase in that particular
story in the {Tribune} was 'aged 14 and under'. Put the upper age limit
for 'children' at 18 and you get different figures. But you know Scott,
I get the feeling you want to play games and discredit the entire thing
based on my use of one set of figures and the {Tribune} story with other
figures. For a moment, let's take your figures as correct. Isn't 15 kids
killed since the first of the year -- that's about one per week -- still
pretty sad? Wouldn't you say we are still in a state of emergency here
exacerbated by the ACLU's unwillingness to cooperate?  Of course, ACLU
attornies live in Winnetka or Glencoe -- or maybe even in 60657, that
fine bastion of liberal, modern thinking; although Jay Miller, one of
the head people there lives on Printer's Row south of downtown -- so
they wouldn't know much about an eight year old child on his way to
school laying dead on the sidewalk. The ultimate deprivation of his
civil liberties, along with 14 others (using your figures and ages)
gone unnoticed by a group which purports to protect civil liberties
for everyone. Now if you add the other dozen or so -- high school age
kids, and I have not read the paper today to get the latest counts --
then we get over two dozen young lives given up. I guess that's the way
it has to be; after all, we all know the ACLU is a fine, outstanding
organization with only the purest of agendas and a monopoly on interp-
reting the US Constitution. In general in Chicago, the rate of violent, 
deliberate murder is running 25 percent ahead of last year.    PAT]

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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 94 09:52:28 EDT
From: mcharry@cwc.com (McHarry)
Subject: Re: AT&T Cellular Privacy System


David Arneke wrote regarding the AT&T Cellular Privacy System:

"This is the strongest scrambling algorithm available for handheld,
transportable and mobile cellular subscriber equipment."

This appears somewhat disingenuous -- there are cellular STU-IIIs
available.  The commercial versions use DES encryption.  Granted, you
need units at both ends of the link.  I have only seen the units as
mobiles and transportables.  They are likely too large to build as
handhelds.  Nevertheless, to render Arneke's claim true, either one
has to hold that encryption is different from scrambling, or to
strongly construe the 'and' clause to take advantage of the lack of
DES handhelds.

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From: rlockhart@aol.com (RLockhart)
Subject: Re: Information About ERMES Project
Date: 7 Apr 1994 11:06:01 -0500
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)


In article <telecom14.158.3@eecs.nwu.edu>, Stewart Fist <100033.2145@
CompuServe.COM> writes:

> There's also a cut-down pre-Ermes standard called
> Euromessage in the UHF band, which is limited to the UK, Germany,
> Italy and France.

EuroMessage isn't a 'cut-down' ERMES.  (Atleast it wasn't last time I
looked <g>.)  It's purely POCSAG and uses standard alpha pagers.
Italy is linked into the network via SIP.  France is linked in via
France Telecoms.  Germany is the DBP.  The UK is through a couple of
carriers.  (And didn't Sweden and a few others plan on linking in at
one time?)

EuroMessage pre-dates ERMES by a couple of years (and technologies <g>).

BTW, Hi Stewart ... are you getting these messages via Scott's posting
of TELECOM Digest on CIS' TeleCom forum?


Rob Lockhart    Resource Manager, Interactive Data Systems
Paging Products Group    Motorola, Inc.
Desktop:  Lockhart-EPAG06_Rob@EMail.Mot.Com
I'net Wireless Data <32K:  Rob_Lockhart-ERL003E@EMail.Mot.Com
I'net Wireless Data < 1K:  Rob.Lockhart@RadioMail.Net
CIS:  71333.1075@compuserve.com    AOL:  RLockhart   AppleLink:  ROBLOCKHART


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Responding only to the final paragraph
in Rob's message, this is a good time to remind all readers that the
TELECOM Digest is available as a regular feature on Compuserve. Look
for it in the Telecom Forum area. Of course if you prefer, the Digest
is also sent by email to the boxes of CIS subscribers requesting it
that way instead.  PAT]

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From: ae924@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eric G. Snyder)
Subject: Re: Canada Direct to European Customers - Why Not Possible?
Reply-To: ae924@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eric G. Snyder)
Organization: The National Capital FreeNet
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 07:28:07 -0500


Could someone please describe exactly what the Canada Direct service
is?


Eric Snyder - Ottawa Canada
Targeted Communication Mgt 
ae924@freenet.carleton.ca 

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From: j-grout@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John R. Grout)
Subject: Re: Local Charges for 950 and 800 Access?
Date: 7 Apr 1994 00:00:51 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Reply-To: j-grout@uiuc.edu


In <telecom14.155.3@eecs.nwu.edu> j-grout@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John R.
Grout) writes:

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Generally it is only the rip-off
> private payphones (COCOTS) which have charges for 950 and 800. They
> are not supposed to either, but they get away with it. I am surprised
> it was at a C&P phone. Maybe there was a programming error.   PAT]

According to Jonathan (jdl@wam.umd.edu), it is unlawful to charge for
800 calls, but C&P _does_ charge $.25 for a call to a 950 number from
its payphones in Maryland.


John R. Grout  INTERNET: j-grout@uiuc.edu

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Date: Thu,  7 Apr 94 11:27:56 EDT
From: erobatino@attmail.att.com
Subject: Re: Where Can I Find A Copy of Mosaic?
Organization: AT&T


In article <telecom14.156.7@eecs.nwu.edu> Ellis Claggett <CLAGGETTE@
BSP03C.PRIMERICA.COM> writes:

> I recently heard of a product called Mosaic which acts as a front end
> for Internet access.  Could some one provide me additional information
> on this product an where I might locate a copy on the internet.  Your
> help will greatly appreciated.

Look in FTP site ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu.  I believe it's in a subdirectory of
/PC/Mosaic; there are versions of Mosaic for MS Windows (that's the one I
use), UNIX and, I believe, Macintosh.

To do anything useful with Mosaic, you'll need either direct TCP/IP
access to Internet (in other words, you have to be an Internet host)
or a dial-up SLIP (Serial Line Internet Protocol) or PPP (Point-to-Point 
Protocol) connection, which makes you a temporary Internet host.  (Mosaic 
makes its own FTP connections, Gopher searches, Telnet sessions, and
so forth which is why direct TCP/IP connectivity is needed.)

Hope this helps.


Evan Robatino     AT&T
erobatino@attmail.com
Phone:  (908) 457-3432

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From: serviss@tazdevil.cig.mot.com (Gerald Serviss)
Subject: Re: Can I Use my Cellular Phone in Turkey and Germany?
Date: 7 Apr 1994 17:40:27 GMT
Organization: Cellular Infrastructure Group, Motorola


cengelog@sunny.dab.ge.com (Yilmaz Cengeloglu) writes:

> I use my cellular phone in FL, USA. I would like to know if I can use
> that phone in Turkey and/or Germany.

> If I can not use it, do you know any phone that is compatible with
> cellular system in Germany, Turkey and USA.

I am not sure about Turkey (do they even have cellular?)  but, it
would be impossible to use your AMPS or TDMA phone in Germany.

Germany is mostly GSM now but, there was an analog system before that.

I suspect that Turkey would be moving to GSM if it was installing a
system.


Jerry Serviss    Motorola Inc   serviss@rtsg.mot.com

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From: syntech@access.digex.net (SynTech)
Subject: Re: History: Vail, Monopoly, AT&T
Date: 7 Apr 1994 14:00:21 -0400
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA


Can anyone give me any information about one Elmer Laverne Hageman?
He was president of the telegraph operators union in the 50's.  I am
currently doing research on the topic, any input would be appreciated.

Thanks!

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From: nevin@cs.arizona.edu (Nevin Liber)
Subject: Re: Los Angeles Phone Fire
Date: 7 Apr 1994 00:19:16 -0700
Organization: University of Arizona CS Department, Tucson AZ


In article <telecom14.146.7@eecs.nwu.edu>, TELECOM Digest Editor responded
to Mark Brukhartz <mark_brukhartz:

> was no dial tone in Hinsdale for a month. Some other communities got
> dial tone back after a *mere two weeks*. Cellular service (both A and B)
> and pagers were out here for about two weeks. 911 was out for several
> days in many western suburbs. You see, Hinsdale was the hub for it all.

And don't forget that everybody's favorite (at the time) 3B20 email
hub, ihnp4, was also served by that switch.

> Please, whoever controls these things: don't let it happen again.  PAT]

In these days of cost cutting and sacrificing the long term for the
short term, I just don't see it happening.


Nevin ":-)" Liber nevin@cs.arizona.edu (602) 293-2799
                                        +++ (520) after 3/95
                               office: (602) 621-1685

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From: rlightfo@spd.dsccc.com (Robert Lightfoot)
Subject: Re: Alert! New CD-Rom Database a la Lotus: Household!
Date: 7 Apr 1994 15:03:51 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corporation, Plano, Texas USA


This database of your home phone and address (and even how long you
have lived there) is available on CompuServe.  The age of information
is here, I doubt you'll stop it.

I have used this information in a helpful way, and don't see it as
bad.  A few days ago, someone re-landscaped my yard with their car,
leaving behind the front license plate and part of the grill.

I got the name and address from the DMV.  They had moved two years ago
with out telling the DMV (imagine that!).  Compuserve told me right
where they moved to, and even when they moved.

I'm glad the information is out there!  I'd like to see it.


Robert, just Robert.

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From: sbrack@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Steve Brack)
Subject: Re: Alert! New CD-Rom Database a la Lotus: Household!
Organization: University of Toledo
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 10:44:19 GMT


One thing I don't believe people are looking at is when it comes to
telemarketing and market research, many companies don't use directory
information at all, but rather use random digit dialing.  I worked for
a market research company, and the only time we worked from phone
lists was when we were doing a survey, say, with people who purchased
a particular product or service.  The rest of the time, we used lists
of AC/exchange pairs, then randomized the last four digits.

Not being in the book isn't as helpful as it seems.


Steven S. Brack          sbrack@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu
Toledo, OH  43613-1605   STU0061@UOFT01.BITNET          
MY OWN OPINIONS          sbrack@maine.cse.utoledo.edu            

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From: tmplee@MR.Net (Theodore M.P. Lee)
Subject: Colonel vs. Kernel
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 1994 10:44:11 -0600
Organization: Minnesota Regional Network


> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: ... Tell me this: ... why is it we
> make popcorn and have left over kernels ...  PAT

No April fool here ... twenty-some odd years ago (and yes, many of
them have been been odd) I was baptized into the computer security
game by being introduced to a (the) Colonel Roger Schell; he spent a
lot of time talking about "security colonels"; it took me a *long*
time to realize he meant "security {\em kernels}."


Ted Lee     tmplee@mr.net   PO Box 1718   Minnetonka, MN 55345

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