CURRENT_MEETING_REPORT_ Reported by Urs Eppenberger/SWITCH Minutes of the X.400 Operations Working Group (X400OPS) Agenda o Introduction o Action List Review o Liaison Reports o Review Charter o GO-MHS Community Document o Review X.400 Operations Documents: o Presentation by Jeroen Houttuin on ``Mail based servers'' o Presentation by Marko Kaittola on ``Table Distribution'' o AOB and Plan for next meeting in Amsterdam The Minutes do not follow the Agenda but provide two main sections, liaison reports and document status. All Agenda items have been grouped into these two sections. A list of actions is appended to make it easier for the Working Group Chairs to track Action Items. The Minutes of the last X400-OPS meeting in Washington, DC were approved. Review Charter The Goals in the Charter of the X400OPS Group need to be reviewed. The references to OPS-* should be replaced by the names of the documents in the Internet-Drafts Directory. The title and time scale of draft-ietf-x400ops-tbl-dist-00.txt (OPS-6) is not realistic. Liaison Reports o IETF MHSDS Working Group. The main focus is on the establishment of a pilot by adding routing information to the directory to gain operational experience. The Group hopes to have something to demonstrate at the next IETF in Amsterdam. o RARE WG-MSG Working Group on Mail and Messaging. A task force works on a number of documents on X.400(88) deployment. A lot of other documents have been sent for comments to both X400OPS and WG-MSG. WG-MSG is not a working group in the IETF sense, it is more like an IETF Area since it covers all mail protocols and is an ongoing Group which may split off chartered task forces. 1 WG-MSG has been approached by Allan if the postmaster document would be appropriate to be published as RARE Technical Report (RTR). The chairman of WG-MSG, Harald T. Alvestrand is positive about it. It might be bundled with the GO-MHS requirement. o EMA Electronic Mail Association. Nothing was reported. o EEMA European Electronic Mail Association. Jim Romaguera reported from EEMA. He has been approached by some ADMD service providers with questions concerning the connection of their services to the Internet. He will forward the questions to the X400-OPS list. Most interesting activities are in the EEMA PRMD operators group and in the EEMA ADMD operators group. The problem is that they do not have electronic mailing lists for their discussions but do it with paper mail. Maybe we could offer to host distribution lists and archives for them? o COSINE-MHS Project. The new service is called MHS Coordination Service. SWITCH got a contract by RARE to provide the staff and the required facilities. RARE is the umbrella organisation for research and academic networks in Europe. The contract will be moved to the Operational Unit, once they have started operation. The European members contribute to cost based on a cost key which is not fully decided yet, but key elements are the number of served organisations within a network and if the network uses the mapping tables or has registered a mapping. 50% of the total cost will be covered by the Commission of the European Countries. It is possible that networks which use the MHS Coordination Service outside Europe will be asked for a contribution too. There was consensus that the Group supports migrating the Cosine MHS community to the GO-MHS Community, in principle. Jim pointed out, and others agreed, that this migration must be thought out. Urs has to revise the Cosine MHS documents anyway, so he volunteered to write up a list of issues that are involved in the transition and send it to the list. There was a discussion about the relationship between the GO-MHS community and the MHS Coordination Service. People felt that a community is not ``open'' in the Internet sense if one must pay to join it. Erik Huizer pointed out that a GO-MHS coordination service must provide global coordination, regardless of financial contributions. He pointed out that there are U.S. Internet coordination services which provide international services but are funded solely by the U.S., including the NIC and the IANA (naming authority). There was a discussion that there is a difference between providing coordination and providing consulting and technical support. Erik was going to work to see that the MHS Coordination service is able to provide coordination for the GO-MHS community regardless of financial contributions. However, 2 consulting and technical assistance may be limited to contributing members of the service. o IESG Internet Engineering Steering Group. Erik Huizer, IESG Application Area Director, reported on the decision to create an Application Area Directorate which will investigate overall concepts for networked applications. Priority is set for email and the character set issue. The document on Mail Based Servers is considered of broader interest and will be taken out of the X400OPS Group to be worked on by email experts for the SMTP and X.400 protocols. However, the current version will be used as a requirements document by the MHS Coordination Service. Document Status ID: draft-ietf-x400ops-mgtdomains-ops-05.txt Old: OPS-1 Title: Operational Requirements for X.400 Management Domains in the GO-MHS Community Status: This document will be sent to the IESG for consideration as Informational RFC. Editorial comments can still be sent to Alf Hansen. ID: draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400maps-02.txt Old: OPS-2a Title: Using the Internet DNS to maintain RFC1327 Address Mapping Tables Status: See next document ID: draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400rout-02.txt Old: OPS-2b Title: Using the Internet DNS to maintain RFC1327 Address Mapping Tables Status: Both documents have been sent to IESG for consideration as Experimental RFCs. Some IAB and IESG members consider the proposal as a misuse of DNS. A separate meeting is scheduled at this IETF to discuss this issue. The result may lead to a change of the documents 'draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400maps- 02.txt' and 'draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400rout-02.txt'. A document on how to implement and integrate the proposals into the current service will be written by Claudio Allocchio and submitted as ID. A pilot for table distribution is already in place with a 3 central server for the tables in Italy. A library of a few functions for building address converters and DNS loading tools together with a draft manual have just been finalised. It is not suggested to use this software until the issue of where in the tree to store the information has been solved. ID: draft-ietf-x400ops-mhs-service-05.txt Old: OPS-3 Title: Routing coordination for X.400 MHS services within a multi protocol / multi network environment Table Format V3 for static routing Status: It has been sent to the IESG for consideration as Experimental Standard. The answer is expected soon. A number of typos have been reported during the meeting. Editorial comments may still be sent to the author Urs Eppenberger. The migration of the MHS Coordination Service to the new document format will start when the RFC is announced. ID: draft-ietf-x400ops-mapsmail-02.txt Old: OPS-4 Title: Mapping between X.400(1984/1988) and Mail-11 (DECnet mail) Status: It has been accepted by the IESG as Experimental Standard RFC 1405. HEPNET is a very large Mail-11 user community connected to X.400 and Internet SMTP. They have been made aware of RFC1405 (contact for the mail coordination group is Maria Dimou at CERN). RFC1405 has been implemented in the GIVEME gateway of INFN. It will also be integrated into PMDF from Innosoft. (Kevin, does CDC have a gateway to Mail-11?) ID: draft-ietf-x400ops-charactersets-01.txt Old: OPS-5 Title: X.400 use of extended character sets Status: The document will be submitted by Harald Alvestrand to the IESG for consideration as Internet Standard. ID: draft-ietf-x400ops-tbl-dist-00.txt Old: OPS-6 Title: Table distribution Status: The concept was presented by Marko Kaittola. The title of the document will change to reflect its content more clearly. The question has been raised if this document can be enhanced to offer a similar mechanism for email routing updates as RIP is for IP routers. The conclusion is that this is much more complex and needs more work. The document will offer a pragmatic solution for tables. An updated document is expected for the next IETF with the comments received. The implementation is planned to start after the next IETF in Amsterdam. ID: draft-ietf-x400ops-admd-01.txt Old: OPS-7 Title: Assertion of C=US A=IMX 4 This document is basically ready. A warning should be added that PRMD names are limited to 16 characters. The IESG is not in favour putting it on the standard track. It will therefore be submitted as Informational RFC, but nevertheless sent to IESG to get an official review. The IANA will act as registry even if the document is not defining a Standard. ID: draft-ietf-x400ops-evaluation-admd-00.txt Old: OPS-8 Title: Evaluation of ADMDs and Integration aspects with respect to the R&D messaging community Status: The document has been distributed as ID on Feb 26, 1993. Comments are welcome. It has not been discussed during the meeting. It is planned as an Informational RFC. ID: draft-ietf-x400ops-postmaster-01.txt Old: OPS-9 Title: Postmaster Convention for X.400 Operations Status: The document has been accepted by the group as is. It should be advanced as Proposed Standard. ID: not submitted yet Old: OPS-10 Title: Explanation of how DNS should be used for Address Mapping and Routing purposes Status: See status report on 'draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400rout-02.txt'. ID: not submitted yet Old: - Title: RFC1327 mapping authorities Status: Comments are requested. A new version with the comments integrated from the last MHS Managers meeting in Zurich will probably be ready by end of April. The next face to face meeting on this document is planned for RARE WG-MSG at JENC 93 in Trondheim. ID: draft-houttuin-rfc1327-tutor-01 Old: - Title: RFC 1327 tutorial Status: The document has been reviewed by the IESG and the RARE RTC and is expected to be published both as an Informational RFC and a RARE Technical Report this summer. Action List Jim Romaguera To forward the questions from the ADMD operators to the X400OPS list. To update his document after a final call for comments and send it to the RFC Editor for 5 consideration as Informational RFC. Erik Huizer To work out the possibility of basing the coordination point for the GO-MHS community on a sound political basis. To make sure that documents from other groups (esp., RARE working groups) will have the appropriate group name in the ID filename instead of the author's surname. MHS Coordination Service To work out procedures for new members of the GO-MHS community to join the coordination service. Alf Hansen To send draft-ietf-x400ops-mgtdomains-ops-05.txt to the IESG secretariat with a copy to the Area Director, Erik Huizer for consideration of the document as an Informational RFC. Claudio Allocchio To report to the X400OPS Group on the results of the discussion with IAB/IESG on the usage of DNS for mapping/routing tables. To update the documents draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400maps-02.txt and draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400rout-02.txt according to the results of the preceding action. To write a document on the implementation of the two proposals from the preceding action. Urs Eppenberger To wait for the decision of the IESG on his document, do the final modifications and send it to the RFC Editor. Harald T. Alvestrand To send draft-ietf-x400ops-charactersets- 01.txt to the IESG secretariat with a copy to the Area Director, Erik Huizer for consideration of the document as a Proposed Standard. Marko Kaittola To update his document according to the comments received, choose a new title and prepare a new version for the next IETF meeting in Amsterdam. Einar Stefferud To integrate the final comments to the document draft-ietf-x400ops-admd-01.txt and then send it to the IESG Secretariat for consideration as an Informational RFC. 6 Allan Cargille To send draft-ietf-x400ops-postmaster-01.txt to the IESG Secretariat with a copy to the Area Director, Erik Huizer for consideration of the document as a Proposed Standard. All Group Members To send comments to the mapping authority paper in a timely fashion to the list or to Jeroen Houttuin to allow him to create a new version for the next RARE WG-MSG meeting at JENC 93 in Trondheim. Tony Genovese/Alf Hansen To propose a revised version of the Charter. Attendees Claudio Allocchio Claudio.Allocchio@elettra.trieste.it Harald Alvestrand Harald.Alvestrand@delab.sintef.no C. Allan Cargille allan.cargille@cs.wisc.edu Kevin Carosso kvc@innosoft.com George Chang gkc@ctt.bellcore.com Robert Cooney cooney@wnyose.nctsw.navy.mil Thomas DeWitt tdewitt@osi.ncsl.nist.gov Urs Eppenberger eppenberger@switch.ch Jeroen Houttuin houttuin@rare.nl Erik Huizer huizer@surfnet.nl Barbara Jennings bjjenni@sandia.gov Kevin Jordan Kevin.E.Jordan@cdc.com Marko Kaittola Marko.Kaittola@funet.fi John Klensin klensin@infoods.unu.edu Mary La Roche maryl@cos.com Sylvain Langlois Sylvain.Langlois@exp.edf.fr Bruce Mackey brucem@cinops.xerox.com Ignacio Martinez martinez@rediris.es Judy Nasar jdnasar@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Edward Reed eer@cinops.xerox.com Jim Romaguera romaguera@cosine-mhs.switch.ch Yzhak Ronen y.ronen@homxa.att.com Gary Rowe gjrowe@attmail.com Sue Smith smiths.es.net Einar Stefferud stef@nma.com Catherine Summers cfs@cos.com Louisa Thomson louisa@whitney.hac.com Panos-Gavriil Tsigaridas Tsigaridas@fokus.berlin.gmd.dbp.de Russ Wright wright@lbl.gov 7