Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,news.answers,comp.answers Path: bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.media.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bnrgate!nott!uotcsi2!revcan!latour!mcr From: mcr@sandelman.ocunix.on.ca Subject: [comp.sys.amiga.datacomm]: AmigaNOS Frequently asked questions Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Sender: mcr@Sandelman.OCUnix.on.ca (Michael Richardson) Supersedes: Organization: Sandelman Software Works, Debugging Department, Ottawa, ON Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 03:23:38 GMT Approved: news-answers-request@MIT.Edu Expires: Thu, 12 May 1994 03:23:26 GMT Lines: 322 Xref: bloom-beacon.mit.edu comp.sys.amiga.datacomm:15181 news.answers:17754 comp.answers:4798 Archive-Name: amiga/AmigaNOS-faq Version: $Id: nos-faq,v 1.9 1994/02/09 03:06:12 mcr Exp mcr $ Unfortunately, I use AmigaNOS less and less these days, so I'm looking for someone to take over this FAQ. It needs more info about AmiTCP for instance. Frequently asked questions about AmigaNOS. ****************************************** Michael Richardson mcr@sandelman.ocunix.on.ca I think I see at least a question about AmigaNOS every week. I'm going to try and compile a frequently asked questions on it. I think at least the following questions must be answered: 1.*) general questions 1.1) what is AmigaNOS 1.2) what is it used for? 1.3) how do I get it to dial? 1.4) where can I get documentation/source/binary? 1.5) can I do dialup X? NFS? SMTP? 1.6) What about PPP? 1.7) where I find out more? 1.8) How do I install it? 2.*) questions of a more technical nature 2.1) Does it come with a library gives you socket calls? 2.2) What about AmiTCP? (%) 2.3) What about AS225? (%) If you mail me other questions (or answers) I'll include them, and find answers for them. If you have better responses, please send them. I'm taking this stuff from postings that are still around my system. This is formatted as a digest, you can go to the next section with many news readers with ^G. This FAQ is posted to news.answers,comp.answers and comp.sys.amiga.datacomm approximately every 21 days. You can find at many FAQ archive sites, and if you have World-Wide-Web access, I suggest that you try http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu:80/hypertext/faq/usenet/FAQ-List.html Changes: updated questions 2.2 (%) and 2.3 (%) with info from Mike Meyer. -------- Subject: 1.1 - What is AmigaNOS From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC) Message-ID: Date: 11 Feb 92 13:11:05 GMT In article <1992Feb11.092106.26867@milton.u.washington.edu>, koolkid@milton.u.washington.edu (Only the BEST!!) writes: > Guys, pardon my ignorance, but what is AmigaNOS really used for?? I thought > it was a terminal program, but it apparantly is some kind of a networking fo > software. So what is it used for, and how could I take advantage of it. NOS was originally written for PCs by Phil Karn, a radio ham whose callsign is KA9Q (the software is often referred to as the KA9Q software). It was designed to allow hams to run AX25 (a modified version of X.25 for amateur radio) and TCP/IP over their packet radio modems. It now also supports TCP/IP over ethernet lines and serial lines, and as far as I know also has support for other protocols like Net/ROM (ham radio) and PPP. AmigaNOS is an Amiga port of it, currently maintained by John Heaton, a UK radio amateur. Its not exclusively for hams, it works very well as a general network package for PCs, Amigas, Macs etc. I've used it to connect PCs to Suns, and intend to do the same with an Amiga/Sun connection. Steve -------- Subject: 1.2 - What is AmigaNOS used for? A great deal of people use AmigaNOS over serial lines (with or without modems) for file transfers and telnet connections. The other facilities are of limited use unless you are a ham radio operator. I () use it to connect my Amiga and Sun 3/60. I have an ftp login that connects me to the MSH: device. This lets me stick 720k MSDOS disks in my Amiga and transfer things (usually things I've ftp'ed at school) directly to the Sun. In order to make use of AmigaNOS' SLIP capabilities you need a host to connect to that is willing to do SLIP. Just having AmigaNOS doesn't get you on the Internet. -------- Subject: 1.3 - How do you get AmigaNOS to dial? From: Steve@donald.DEmon.co.UK (Steve Gilbert) Subject: AmigaNOS that dials for you Message-ID: <9208312108.ad08954@gate.demon.co.uk> Date: 31 Aug 92 09:02:17 GMT There is now a modded version of AmigaNOS which will dial, and log on for you. Very useful for slip connections over a modem link. Available from gate.demon.co.uk (158.152.1.65) for anonymous ftp, with the filenames gate.demon.co.uk:pub/amiga/anos29/DiallingAmigaNOS - The Executable gate.demon.co.uk:pub/amiga/anos29/DiallingAmigaNOS.txt - Some Instructions from the Author gate.demon.co.uk:pub/amiga/anos29/fixed-anos-src.lha - Source for above. Regards, Steve. ----- [These patches have since been incorporated into the mainstream version - mcr] ---- From: rsutton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Roy A Sutton) Message-ID: <1992Feb13.174442.21013@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> In article <1992Feb12.033917.16101@CS.ORST.EDU> mcbeeb@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Brian Mcbee) writes: >So, my understanding is that AmigaNOS doesn't have the ability to let you dial >your modem. Those of you using it for dial up SLIP, what terminal program >are you using to dial with, and where did you get it? I have a small >collection of terminal programs that I have been using, but they all drop >the connection when I exit from the program. Any ideas? > > >-- >Brian McBee mcbeeb@jacobs.cs.orst.edu or brianop@opac.UUCP If you have a Hayse compatible modem, it can be programmed to (or not to) drop the line when DTR is dropped. Since all terminal programs release the serial device when they are existed, the DTR is droped. What you can doe is issure the command to your modem, if supported, to not drop the line when DTR is dropped. I hope this helps, Roy Sutton PVAMU From: dkf8117@tamsun.tamu.edu (Duane) The reason that your carrier is dropped when you leave a terminal program, is that your modem is not set so that "DTR ALWAYS ON", refer to the manuals, but I imagine its a dipswitch setting... From: john_h@fs2.mcc.ac.uk (JOHN HEATON) Message-ID: >6. Dialer Subcommands > Each dialer command may (should) have a different diler file. > The file resides in the configuration directory, as specified in the > Installation section (see chapter 1). etc. I have NOT put these into AmigaNOS, because I have no need for them on Packet Radio. -------- Subject: 1.4 - Where can I get documentation/source/binary? If you can ftp, look on ucsd.edu under /hamradio/packet. Look for the PC documentation, as there is little that is fundamentally changed. ucsd.edu:/hamradio/packet/tcpip/amiga/anos29k.lha will usually have the latest binaries and source. [and there is now Amiga documentation there too] John Heaton also has source and binary kit available for anon-ftp available from jh.mcc.ac.uk (130.88.202.27). Unless you are on John's side of the big sink, you would be better advised to try ucsd.edu. -------- Subject: 1.5 - Can I do dialup X? NFS? From: rmr@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Randy M. Roberts) Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet,comp.sys.amiga.datacomm Message-ID: <65741@ut-emx.uucp> In article J.Heaton@MCC.ac.uk (John Heaton) writes: }I Use AmigaNOS on my 2000 to send/receive files to/from my 386/40 PC running }NOS.EXE at 19200baud at about 5k/sec using SLIP. } Does this mean that I should have no problem (hee, hee) using AmigaNos to connect to the SLIP system at school over a modem? Does this also mean that I can buy GfxBase's X server and use it over said line? Inquiring minds want to know! }Cheers, John. } JANET : J.Heaton@uk.ac.Manchester @G1YYH.GB7NWP.#16.GBR.EU (QTHR) }* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - * }| NRS Central Administrator | }| MCC Network Unit, The University, Oxford Road, Manchester, M13-9PL | }| Phone: (+44) 61 275 6011, FAX: (+44) 61 275 6040 | }* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - * As said above, yes, AmigaNOS will let you do SLIP. How usefull this is uncertain. It does let you have multiple sessions, and you can do background file transfers. No. You can't run X with NOS. GfxBase has a SLIP driver for the AS225 package, and the DaggeX package is supposed to run on top of AmiTCP. AmiTCP uses SANA-II drivers. There is no NFS server or client in AmigaNOS. See question 2.1. -------- Subject: 1.6 - Can I do PPP? In article <9205091731.AA05558@sol-tx.sps.mot.com> writes: >I am currently using the AmigaNOS with PPP, which was done by Marc Boucher. >The version information indicates: KA9Q NOS 900418 (PPP.15). Also see "ppp-faq" -------- Subject: 1.7 - Where do I find out more? To have yourself added to the list, please send mail to majordomo@journal.biology.carleton.ca with the body: subscribe amiga-slip Archives are available in {http,file}://journal.biology.carleton.ca/People/Michael_Richardson/amiga-slip/archive -------- Subject: 1.8 - How do I install it? From: john_h@fs2.mcc.ac.uk (JOHN HEATON) Message-ID: All the files relating to AmigaNOS, are normally under the device TCPIP: i.e, directories: TCPIP:Finger TCPIP:Spool/HELP TCPIP:Spool/MAIL TCPIP:Spool/MQUEUE TCPIP:Spool/NEWS files: TCPIP:Spool/areas TCPIP:Spool/forward.bbs TCPIP:AmigaNOS TCPIP:ftpusers TCPIP:Domain.txt TCPIP:alias TCPIP:nos.rc etc.... If you want a full list then let me know. Cheers, John. JANET : J.Heaton@uk.ac.Manchester -------- Subject: 2.1 - Does it come with a library gives you socket calls? You can't interface GfxBase's X server because AmigaNOS does not provide any kind of standard TCP/IP library interface. Commodore hasn't really released one yet. Although they do have TCP/IP software for their network board, I don't think it does socket.library yet, and AmigaNOS doesn't talk to socket.library anyway. AmigaNOS is one binary and multitasks internally (but not with AmigaDOS' help). You have to remember that NOS stands for Network Operating System. On NOS' native PC environment when you remove NOS all you have is a sophisticated program loader, NOS provides everything else. To add a new client or server to NOS, one must recompile the whole program. On PCs, the NOS people are currently hitting the 640k crunch very hard. Fortunately, we don't have this problem. -------- Subject: 2.2 - What about AmiTCP? mcr> However, there is now another option: you might want to try out mcr> the AmiTCP package. It is currently in beta testing, and I hope to mcr> fill this question in with better details when the program is better mcr> stabilized. I understand that there currently aren't any clients, not mcr> even Telnet. On 10-Feb-94, mwmeyer@ingres.com suggested the following update: mwmeyer> AmiTCP is no longer in beta test. It is no at release 2.3. It has a mwmeyer> nice selection of clients: telnet, rlogin, ftp, ping, finger, smtp and mwmeyer> Mosaic come to mind. DaggeX you mentioned. No NFS, but it does have an mwmeyer> Amiga<->Amiga network file system that I haven't tried. mwmeyer> Release 3.0 is in beta testing, and will allow some of the AS225R2 mwmeyer> clients to run on it. mwmeyer> SLIP, and Compressed SLIP SANAII drivers are available, and PPP is mwmeyer> supposed to be on the way. -------- Subject: 2.3 - What about AS225? mcr> Commodore still hasn't released the new version of AS225 that is mcr> SANA-II compliant. I have heard that developers who've signed a mcr> Non-Disclosure Agreement have had it for some time now. Perhaps the mcr> Usenet Oracle knows when it will released. I certainly don't. On 10-Feb-94, mwmeyer@ingres.com suggested the following update: mwmeyer> Unknown release date for release 2. It's got a more complete client mwmeyer> set than AmiTCP, most notably including NFS, rcp and rsh. Older mwmeyer> versions of DaggeX run on it, as well as GfxBase X server. The SANAII mwmeyer> drivers from it can be used with AmiTCP, and vice versa, but clients mwmeyer> can't be shared between the two. -- :!mcr!: | "Elegant and extremely rapid for calculation are the Michael Richardson | techniques of Young tableaux. They also have the merit mcr@ccs.carleton.ca /of being fun to play with." - p.47 Intro to Quarks&Partons mcr@sandelman.ocunix.on.ca / +1 613 729-5409 / +1 613 788-2600 3853 (work)