From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Sun, 5 Sep 93 11:13:10 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #96 Linux-Misc Digest #96, Volume #1 Sun, 5 Sep 93 11:13:10 EDT Contents: Has anyone ported BSD Mail? (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) Re: Term security flaw (Re: Term limitation...) (Shane Alderton) [ANNOUNCE] Slackware 1.0.2 released, a few updates (Patrick J. Volkerding) Re: Public Domain driver for SMC Ethernet Card (Russell Nelson) Advertising on c.o.l.* (Stephen Balbach) Re: Getting TIOCGETP TIOCSETN undeclared. Help. (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.03) (Ian Jackson) Re: Phone # Micro-Link and LSL (Pauline Price) Re: SLS considered harmful (wasRe: Bashing Peter MacDonald) (Stephen Harris) Re: AMD 386 40 problem ? (Stephen Harris) Want To BUY Motif1.2 for Linux!!!!!!!!! (Limor Schweitzer) Re: Getting TIOCGETP TIOCSETN undeclared. Help. (Jon Hamilton) Re: AMD 386 40 problem ? (Linus Torvalds) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) Subject: Has anyone ported BSD Mail? Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 02:30:12 GMT I was wondering if anybody has ported BSD's Mail (aka /usr/ucb/mail) to linux. I don't care very much for elm, and would like to have the same mailer at home as on netcom. Would anyone care to document the different mailers on sunsite.unc.edu:pub/Linux/system/Mail/ ? -- Zeyd M. Ben-Halim zmbenhal@netcom.com 10479 1/4 Santa Monica Blvd, LA, CA, 90025 (310) 470-0281 ------------------------------ From: shane@scs.apana.org.au (Shane Alderton) Subject: Re: Term security flaw (Re: Term limitation...) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 08:12:48 GMT >The programs that I want the general user population to be able to use >(termtelnet termftp termfinger) are owned by root.term and are >set GID (not UID) - thus that binary when run can access the term >socket and work succesfully. Unfortunately, two of these programmes have shell escapes, so someone can run termftp, !/bin/sh and have a shell with effective gid of term. This then allows them to run tredir and trsh: >term programs I dont want the general user population to run >(tredir trsh) are NOT set GID, so if someone who isnt in group >term runs them, the program will not be able to access the socket. This could be fixed quite easily by changing the source to the setgid programmes to do setgid(getgid()); or something similar just before they shell out. Shane Alderton shane@scs.apana.org.au ------------------------------ From: bf703@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Patrick J. Volkerding) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Slackware 1.0.2 released, a few updates Date: 5 Sep 1993 04:06:42 GMT Reply-To: bf703@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Patrick J. Volkerding) There have been a few minor updates to Slackware 1.0.2: A1: tagfile, tagfile.org replaced. A2: vgalib.tgz removed, diska2 edited. A5: vgalib12.tgz and tvgalib.tgz added, smail.tgz removed, diska5 edited. A12: install.end removed. A13: Disk added: smail.tgz, diska13, install.end Two more new disks were added: G1 and Q1. G1 is a games disk. So far, this just has the "fortune" program on it. Q1 is a disk containing the source for the new .99pl13 alpha kernel, and two precompiled kernel packages, one for IDE and one for SCSI. The Q series will contain alpha software, and may change or disappear at any time. Here's a copy of the official announcement sent to comp.os.linux.announce: --- Announcing version 1.0.2 of the Slackware distribution of Linux. Slackware is a full-featured distribution of the Linux operating system designed for computers with a 3.5", 1.44M boot drive. The Slackware release strives for ease of installation, and as much of the software as possible has been preconfigured - greatly increasing user "slack." These disk sets are currently available: A: Base system. E: Emacs 19.19 F: All the most current Linux related FAQ lists. (HIGHLY recommended) G: Games. Currently, this only contains a port of the "fortune" program set up to print a random fortune when you log in. I'm open to suggestions for other stuff to add when I find time. Q: This is sort of an alpha-stuff series that may change and/or disappear at any time. Currently it contains source for the Linux kernel .99pl13 alpha, and two .99pl13 alpha zImages, one for IDE and one for SCSI. X: XFree86 1.3 and related software. SERIES A (base system) FEATURES: -- The system files that go in /bin, /etc, /dev... -- Kernel level .99pl12. -- Libraries at 4.4.1 Programming features: -- GNU make 3.62 -- BSD pmake 4.4 -- GNU rcs 5.6 -- tvgalib 1.0 (Trident card utilities) -- vgalib 1.2 (Tseng/standard VGA card utilities) -- Common LISP -- Perl 4.0pl35 -- Linux 0.99pl12 source code -- ncurses 1.7 -- GCC/G++/Obj-C 2.4.5 -- GNU debugger (gdb) 4.8 -- p2c 1.19 (Pascal to C translator) -- GNU Smalltalk 1.1.1 -- f2c (Fortran 77 to C translator) -- TCL Toolkit Editors/Text utilities: -- Selection 1.5 (Cut/paste from the screen) -- joe 1.0.8 -- jove 4.14.10 -- GNU troff 1.05 -- GNU ghostscript 2.6.1 -- ispell spell checker Networking/Mail/UUCP/News -- Taylor UUCP 1.04 -- Cnews -- Linux NET-2 (uses /conf directory in recommended fashion) -- deliver (simple mail delivery program) -- Smail 3.1.28 with tons of sample files. (Thanks goes to Ian Kluft!) -- traceroute utility -- nn 6.4.18 newsreader -- tin 1.1pl8 newsreader -- trn 2.5 newsreader -- elm 2.4pl21 -- mailx -- term 1.0.7 Other extra shells/utilities: -- tcsh 6.04 with preconfigured csh.cshrc -- Second extended fs utilities, v. 0.3 -- Time zone configuration -- DOS emulator source v. 0.49, with the libipc problem patched. -- sc spreadsheet v. 6.19 -- national (changes virtual console fonts) -- cpio 2.2 (backup utility) -- GNU diff 2.0 -- Elf binary support library and conversion utility. -- bc 1.02 (number cruncher) -- pdksh v. 4.7 (Public domain ksh) SERIES E (Emacs 19.19) FEATURES: -- This 5 disk series contains Rik Faith's port of Emacs 19.19 for Linux. -- All the LISP source and extra files are included. (Thanks Rik!) SERIES F (FAQs) FEATURES: -- Linux HOWTOs: -- Ethernet, Installation, Net-2, UUCP, and indexes/META-FAQ. -- comp.lang.c FAQ, GCC/G++ FAQ, TCL FAQ, Objective-C FAQ, Fortran FAQ. -- Linux main FAQ. -- LISP FAQ, LISP Window systems FAQ, OOP in LISP FAQ, Scheme FAQ. -- comp.lang.perl FAQ. -- Postscript FAQ. -- comp.unix.questions FAQ. -- comp.windows.X FAQ, OpenLook GUI FAQ, X on Intel FAQ. SERIES G (Games) FEATURES: -- Currently, just the "fortune" program. Set up to hook into your /etc/profile so that users get a free fortune when they log in. SERIES Q (Experimental stuff) FEATURES: This holds things that are currently being tested, or are alpha and are not going to be added until official versions are released. -- Linux kernel source .99pl13 alpha -- IDE zImage .99pl13 alpha -- SCSI zImage .99pl13 alpha SERIES X (X11) FEATURES: -- Complete XFree-86 1.3 binary release, including all programming utilities, libraries, include files, and the link kit. -- XS3-0.4.4 replacement X server for S3 based cards. -- monochrome and color xterms. -- OpenLook Window Manager -- libgr 1.2 graphics library. -- Simplified X windows setup procedures from the TAMU Linux release. -- PEX extentions package -- Slingshot/UIT examples. -- Interviews 3.1 idraw and doc. -- GNU chess 4.00pl62 with xboard 2.1pl11 -- XV 3.00 Shareware image/document viewer -- Lots, and lots more! The Slackware Linux release can be found on ftp.cdrom.com in directory /pub/linux/slackware. All of the disks except for the bootdisk are also available as zoo archives in /pub/linux/slackware/zooed_disks. These will be kept up to date. Enjoy! --- Patrick Volkerding volkerdi@ftp.cdrom.com volkerdi@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu -- Patrick Volkerding volkerdi@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu bf703@cleveland.freenet.edu ------------------------------ From: nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.development Subject: Re: Public Domain driver for SMC Ethernet Card Date: Sat, 05 Sep 93 02:24:17 GMT In article <19948@news.duke.edu> sdj@acpub.duke.edu writes: I have an SMC 3016TP Ethernet card I would like to use on my linux system. I notice that SMC Elite is supported by default but I cannot get it up with my 3016. Does anyone have any suggestions? I am using a 386SX AMI BIOS if it helps. In article <1993Sep3.183522.16119@merlin.hgc.edu>, mikes@hgc.edu (Mike Stein) writes: Are there any Public Domain drivers for the SMC3016 Ethernet card. What ftp sites are there for Public Domain drivers? SMC 3016 != WD 8013. The SMC Elite/16 is a Western Digital 8013E. The board you have is I/O based. SMC doesn't make them any more. You *might* be able to get programming docs from them. -russ What canst *thou* say? Crynwr Software Crynwr Software sells packet driver support. 11 Grant St. 315-268-1925 Voice | LPF member - ask me about Potsdam, NY 13676 315-268-9201 FAX | the harm software patents do. ------------------------------ From: stephen@clarknet.clark.net (Stephen Balbach) Subject: Advertising on c.o.l.* Date: 5 Sep 1993 01:39:51 -0400 > How about a prohibition on posting the ads to any linux group but >annnounce? Then the moderator could make sure the ads in announce all >have the same title so those who don't want to see them can efficiently >kill them. I don't think anyone has the authority, or right, to prevent someone from posting an add to c.o.l - However, I think vendors have a responsibility to not create undo traffic with too many adds. And with a lot of vendors this can create a problem. Linux vendors come and go as fast as new kernal pacthes, so to require posting only in announce is hard too do, and besides who is going to enforce this rule anyway? The only group that can have any restriction is c.o.l.a since it is moderated. And a simple and enforcable rule that cuts down traffic, creates a more equitable market place and better informed consumers is a catalog. However for those vendors who like to stick out and get more attention, of course the catalog is a bad idea :) Just a thought. c.o.l* might have a standing rule of no more than one post a week/two-week/month from any one vendor as another idea. Stephen -- Stephen Balbach . Clark Internet Services . Washington D.C./Balt. metro area . mail info@clark.net . FAX 410-730-9765 . Corp. accounts . Linux on Disk . 31 disks $45 . stephen@clark.net . voice 410-740-1157 ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development From: zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) Subject: Re: Getting TIOCGETP TIOCSETN undeclared. Help. Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 06:03:12 GMT In article <26bf2m$68v@inxs.concert.net> ctwilson@rock.concert.net (Charles T Wilson -- Personal Account) writes: >In article <26avpaINN40n@uwm.edu> albion@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Craig T Manske) writes: >> >>I am trying to port pmf mud client to Linux and am having problems with some >>undeclared things. >> >>These are TIOCGETP, TIOCSETN, CBREAK, ODDP, EVENP. Hmmm! use -I/usr/include/bsd in CFLAGS and -lbsd when linking. Note that /usr/include/bsd/sgtty.h does not define gtty and stty. use ioctl with TIOCGETP and TIOCSETP. >>I changed ODDP and EVENP to O_ODDP and O_EVENP. >>But the others are non existant. I looked on my local BSD machine at >>school and they are defined in ioctl.h. All the stuff on my Linux box >>that is in ioctl.h on the BSD machine are in termios.h except for >>TIOCGETP and TIOCSETN. Is this something not included with Linux? > >I don't think so...BSD handles its I/O through ioctl.h defs, while the >SYSV and POSIX approach is to do this with termios.h defs; and, as you >noticed, stdio is quite a bit different too. >> >>Also, I got the error _cnt not included in structure. I again looked on >>the BSD machine and this was an int in stdio.h and the somewhat equivalent >>in Linux was _gptr. So I changed it to that in the file instead of _cnt. >>Am I doing this right, or am I messing things up? I can't remember the answer to this one, but it is one ptr - another ptr. It probably is in the GCC faq. code should not use internals of stdio, try and avoid it. >>Please help me. I would like to get PMF running on my machine. > >Wish I could...I've dabbled with the conversions but can't ever seem >to find the time to get it right. The best thing I know to do is keep >making comparisons; you'll find equivalents for some things pretty easily, >some not so easily. > >Good luck! > >-- >/-----------------------------------------------------------------------\ >| Tom Wilson | "I can't complain, but sometimes | >| ctwilson@rock.concert.net | I still do." | >| | -Joe Walsh | -- Zeyd M. Ben-Halim zmbenhal@netcom.com 10479 1/4 Santa Monica Blvd, LA, CA, 90025 (310) 470-0281 ------------------------------ From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson) Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.03) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1993 10:03:02 GMT Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of which groups you should read and post to. If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or from another Linux FTP site. In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!' The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place. Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not comp.os.linux.misc. Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix. The FAQ for this group is available on rtfm.mit.edu in /pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq. Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me ! -- Ian Jackson (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk) 35 Molewood Close, Cambridge, CB4 3SR, England; phone: +44 223 327029 ------------------------------ From: pprice@panix.com (Pauline Price) Subject: Re: Phone # Micro-Link and LSL Date: 5 Sep 1993 06:57:34 -0400 In rlion@access.digex.net (crazy lion) writes: >can someone post or mail me the phonenumbers of microlink and LSL >and anywhere else offering the motif package? I mistakely called the software house that sells a port of Motif for Linux in a previous post "Micro-Link." The company is in fact called Metro-Link. They can be reached at: Metro-Link Inc. 2213 W. McNab Road Pompano Beach, Fl 33069 (305) 970-7353 Linux Systems Laboratory (a reseller of the Metro-Link Motif): Linux Systems Laboratory 18300 Tara Dr. Clinton Twp., MI 48036 (800) 432-0556 (313) 954-2829 I ahve no conection with either of these firms, other than having bought my Motif from LSL. --Pauli ------------------------------ From: harris@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk (Stephen Harris) Subject: Re: SLS considered harmful (wasRe: Bashing Peter MacDonald) Date: 5 Sep 93 11:32:53 BST Matt Welsh (mdw@sunSITE.unc.edu) wrote: : Stephen Harris (harris@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk) wrote: : > changed. I grabbed the changes. 1 week later it changed again. I got the : > changes. 2 days later it changed again! : Sounds like a silly upgrade strategy to me. First of all, there's little or Not really. I ONLY got the changes. I was trying to build a system that would work without my attention, and grabbing "fixed" versions of programs aided this. WHat I did may not suit anyone else, and I didn't even claim it would. The whole point of that section of the posting was the REGARDLESS of the fast changes in SLS when I was grabbing it, I *STILL* consider it worthwhile. (Now of course I "roll my own" :-) ) -- Stephen Harris harris@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk Opinions are just opinions, and the facts are the facts. But what are what? ------------------------------ From: harris@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk (Stephen Harris) Subject: Re: AMD 386 40 problem ? Date: 5 Sep 93 11:37:31 BST Alvin P. Phillips (phillip@seq.uncwil.edu) wrote: : harris@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk (Stephen Harris) writes: : >Linux is convinced I have a co-pro using exception 13 reporting, and so : I've been running Linux on 2 386-40's for about a year now ( since 0.97.4) : I haven't experienced any problems yet, so it's probably not the chip's : fault. This is typical of all the responses I have received. Looks like I've got a dodgy motherboard :-( Oh well, that's one company I won't buy from again (actually I bought 4 different machines from them: 386-40, 486sx-33, 486dx-33VLB, 486dx2-66VLB to do comparison speed tests for the setup I want, and didn't like ANY of the machines - and the 486DX2-66 has to go back for repairs. No, I won't buy from them anymore). -- Stephen Harris harris@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk Opinions are just opinions, and the facts are the facts. But what are what? ------------------------------ From: limor@libra.math.tau.ac.il (Limor Schweitzer) Subject: Want To BUY Motif1.2 for Linux!!!!!!!!! Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 13:09:08 GMT is there any way of getting a list of people/companies that sell the Motif1.2 compiled for linux. I'd be happy to buy a copy Thanks. Limor. (limor@math.tau.ac.il or limor@gtech.co.il) ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development From: jdh@iastate.edu (Jon Hamilton) Subject: Re: Getting TIOCGETP TIOCSETN undeclared. Help. Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 13:18:38 GMT In article <1993Sep5.015758.15385@colorado.edu> millert@Colorado.EDU (Todd C. Miller) writes: >Here is info on bsd tty -> termio conversion(s) that deals with irix >but should be applicable to linux as well. > >cheers, > todd > [long explanation deleted] I think you guys are making this much more difficult than necessary. All you have to do is #include and link with the bsd library. It may even be easier than that; you may get by with defining _BSD_SOURCE, but I haven't dug far enough to say that with any certainty. Porting BSD stuff you would probably want to define _BSD_SOURCE anyway, so it's not going to hurt. -- ==================================================================== = Jon Hamilton | "Please saw off my legs. = = jdh@iastate.edu | -- George Carlin = ==================================================================== ------------------------------ From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds) Subject: Re: AMD 386 40 problem ? Date: 5 Sep 1993 17:10:52 +0300 In article <1993Sep5.114028.29841@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk>, Stephen Harris wrote: >Alvin P. Phillips (phillip@seq.uncwil.edu) wrote: >: harris@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk (Stephen Harris) writes: >: >Linux is convinced I have a co-pro using exception 13 reporting, and so > >: I've been running Linux on 2 386-40's for about a year now ( since 0.97.4) >: I haven't experienced any problems yet, so it's probably not the chip's >: fault. > >This is typical of all the responses I have received. Looks like I've got >a dodgy motherboard :-( Oh well, that's one company I won't buy from again >(actually I bought 4 different machines from them: 386-40, 486sx-33, >486dx-33VLB, 486dx2-66VLB to do comparison speed tests for the setup I want, >and didn't like ANY of the machines - and the 486DX2-66 has to go back for >repairs. No, I won't buy from them anymore). What kind of co-processor are you using? There have been problem-reports with some clone 387's: if you have a clone, you might try the "no387" command-line option to LILO to see if that changes the behaviour at all.. 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