From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Wed, 1 Sep 93 11:30:14 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #80 Linux-Misc Digest #80, Volume #1 Wed, 1 Sep 93 11:30:14 EDT Contents: Soundblaster card - How can I? (dpjunk@mmm.com) Where is mktable?? (Klaus ZLOEBL) Re: What, if anything, should be statically linked (Thomas Dunbar) looking to hire Linux consultant for PC purchase and handholding (Kevin Kells) Re: NT versus Linux (Timothy Melton) Re: Xmosiac, WOW! Who else is using it? (Pat McClanahan) Re: Xmosiac, WOW! Who else is using it? (Philippe Steindl) Re: Term security flaw (Re: Term limitation...) (Mika Matti Jalava) SLS 1.03 available on diskette (Michael R. Johnston) Re: Source for /usr/bin progs? (Andreas Klemm) Re: Checker, a gnu Purify subset (Guy Pickering) Re: X11R5 on Linux ? (David E. Wexelblat) Re: coprocessor makes LOTS of difference (Paul Gortmaker) Re: Linux and Corporate America (Tim Smith) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dpjunk@mmm.com Subject: Soundblaster card - How can I? Date: 1 Sep 1993 02:17:09 -0400 Reply-To: dpjunk@mmm.com I just got a soundblaster card (for free! :) ) and am floundering on which utilities I need to play *.au files. I tried compiling soundtools on sunsite:/pub/multimedia/utilities/unix but it needs . Where can I get this file and any libs associated with said file? While I am asking ... Is there a utility that will send plain text to the sound card and have it echoed back in voice? (i.e. say "hello there" >/dev/disp) I would really appreciate any help! P.S. Many thanks to all who helped me get tracker compiled! -- Dean Junk "An ounce of perception, a pound of obscure" Internet (dpjunk@mmm.com) --RUSH ------------------------------ From: zloebl@piis10.joanneum.ac.at (Klaus ZLOEBL) Subject: Where is mktable?? Date: 1 Sep 1993 08:00:45 GMT I have tried to make my keyboard german, i edited defkeymap.map and wanted to build the defkeymap.c file. But.. i could not find the mktable, which is used to build it. So where can i find it? Klaus -- Klaus Zloebl | E-Mail: zloebl@piis10.joanneum.ac.at Joanneum Research | PSI : PSI%2631102911::ZLOEBL Steyrergasse 17 | A-8020 Graz | Phone: ++43/316/8020/243 AUSTRIA | ------------------------------ From: tdunbar@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Thomas Dunbar) Subject: Re: What, if anything, should be statically linked Date: 1 Sep 1993 08:09:16 GMT >mean I'll investigate what utilities people would want (although I'll >tell you RIGHT NOW emacs won't fit. Learn VI. 8). jove fits fine..no need to learn vi, fortunately. ^- a small emacs `clone' that's not vile. thomas ------------------------------ From: kells@iis.ee.ethz.ch (Kevin Kells) Subject: looking to hire Linux consultant for PC purchase and handholding Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 08:57:39 GMT Hi, I'm interested in finding out about buying a portable PC to run Linux. I've got a number of questions to help me decide if I should buy or not, and will have a number of questions if I decide to buy concerning hardware, prices, manufacturers, etc. Once I have my system, I may need some handholding to get everything working. I imagine I could just send questions to the net, but since you all have probably answered these questions so many times, and since most of my questions are already answered somewhere in some FAQ, I propose to hire somebody out there to answer my questions for me. I imagine a couple of hundred dollars to help with the PC purchase and maybe $50-$100/hr for handholding over the Internet would be my target (negotiable). Is anybody interested? The person I would like to hire o should have experience enough to provide good advice in purchasing a portable PC for Linux use. I'm also interested in running some MSDOS applications. o should know prices and manufacturers for portable PC's and hardware. o should be accessible via the Internet so that questions can be answered by e-mail fairly rapidly. I would also be happy if somebody would volunteer to answer the questions for free or reasonable donation (I'm not a company, I'm a private person). I'm a high-end-hardware Unix user with much Unix experience but no PC hardware or software experience at all. Please e-mail with "Linux Consultant" in the header, I will not read this newsgroup. Thanks a lot, and I hope this article is relevant to this newsgroup, Kevin -- Kevin Kells telephone: +41-1-632-5746 Integrated Systems Laboratory, ETH-Zentrum, CH-8092 Zurich, Switzerland ------------------------------ From: tam@quest1.UUCP (Timothy Melton) Subject: Re: NT versus Linux Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 13:56:39 GMT In article <1993Aug23.121750.29454@taylor.uucp> mark@taylor.uucp (Mark A. Davis) writes: >byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes: > >>In article <258tc1INNjcl@uwm.edu>, >>Craig T Manske wrote: >>>From article <1993Aug20.025547.16769@cc.gatech.edu>, by byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff): >>> >>>Correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't some of these software packages >>>available for unix? I friend of mine told me I could get Word Perfect 5.1 >>>for Unix for like $800. And if so, doesn't that mean that Word Perfect is >>>available for Unix? > >>Sure enough. At work they had a 4.2 version running natively on the Sun 3 >>series machines. However I'm not going to pay $800 for the priviledge when >>I can run the DOS version under the emulator for no additional cost. > >That is not a very good answer. If you already OWN the MS-"DOS" version, >then that is true. If you do not, it is feasible to buy it. The Unix >version of WordPerfect 5.1 supports text modes, pseudo graphics terminals, and >true Xwindows. In addition, WordPerfect Corp has an extremely fair upgrade Of course you are forgetting to add that your must run SCO or (supposedly) UNIXware to get the X stuff to work. It will NOT work on DELL SysVr4. Though i supose you could run WP in an xterm and call that X support. ;) >policy. If you already own an MS-"DOS" version of WP, you can upgrade for >a low price. Any "DOS" emulation of WP will never be as fast, flexible, >reliable, secure, or efficient as the native Unix version. The UNIX version has at least as many fatal bugs as the DOS version. I just had it crater on a 3 page document with 1 equation (z=r/w**1/3). It said "not enough memory for graphics" (or some such out of mem msg) and promptly deleted my entire document. Under DOS, this crashes the machine, under UNIX it just wipes things out and goes quietly on. BTW, this machine was a 486dx250 w/ 16 MB and 32 MB swap. I was the only user and was not doing much. WP's upgrade policy and site licensing policies are not bad. Too bad their products are buggy and you cannot get them to acknowledge bugs unless you describe a bug they already know about. Back to troff for me (or maybe WinWord). ;) > >It is my hope that full COFF for Linux will come out so I and others can take >advantage of such commercial software. Dont forget to add breaking the console code and X code like SCO did to get things that are written for SCO unix (the only commercial unix it seems to the porters) to run under Linux. COFF compatibility will get the basic stuff to run, but dont expect the 'fancy' stuff to work until you make everything act like SCO w X11R3 :(. > >Scores of other popular MS-"DOS" software packages are also available for Unix. In most cases, for SCO unix. :( >-- > /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ > | Mark A. Davis | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 | > | Sys.Administrator| Computer Services | mark@taylor.wyvern.com .uucp | > \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/ -- Tim Melton essex!quest1!tam Quest Consultants Inc. att!occrsh!quest1!tam P.O. Box 721387 (405) 329-7475 Norman, Ok 73070-8069 Fax: (405) 329-7734 ------------------------------ From: mcclanah@dlgeo.cr.usgs.gov (Pat McClanahan) Subject: Re: Xmosiac, WOW! Who else is using it? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 11:50:50 GMT Mark Bramwell asked >I could not view the movies because I could not find mpeg_play. Has anyone >found a linux mpeg viewer? Per the ANNOUNCE file: The Berkeley Plateau Research Group is happy to announce the release of Version 2.0 of its software-only MPEG decoder. The player is available via anonymous ftp from toe.cs.berkeley.edu (128.32.149.117) in /pub/multimedia/mpeg/mpeg-2.0.tar.Z. You'll find many sample MPEG streams in the subdirectory movies. -- Pat McClanahan Internet:mcclanah@dlgeo.cr.usgs.gov EROS Data Center mcclanah@edcserver1.cr.usgs.gov Sioux Falls, SD 605-361-4607 ------------------------------ From: ilg@imp.ch (Philippe Steindl) Subject: Re: Xmosiac, WOW! Who else is using it? Date: 1 Sep 1993 14:51:51 +0200 Hello, yes .. there is mpeg_play .. I don't remeber where i found it :) but it was one of the linux main hosts: nic.funet.fi, sunsite,unc,edu or tsx-11.mit.edu. The best u can do is archie or an /msg linuxbot find -a mpeg_playe on #linu on IRC. cu Philippe ------------------------------ From: mjalava@alpha.hut.fi (Mika Matti Jalava) Subject: Re: Term security flaw (Re: Term limitation...) Date: 1 Sep 1993 12:58:12 GMT In article <25dh4c$gjo@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) writes: >read: you still can get in via *tredir* and telnet. Could someone please summarize the ports to be redirected for each service or at least point out where such information is easily available. Mika ------------------------------ From: mjohnsto@ditdah.Morse.Net (Michael R. Johnston) Subject: SLS 1.03 available on diskette Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 12:50:06 GMT Low-Cost SLS Version of Linux on Diskette Linux is a freely redistributable version of the Unix(tm) Operating System which runs on 80386 and 80486 PC Compatible machines. This software is a full version of Unix which contains all the standard utilities and more, including: TCP/IP Networking C and C++ Compilers and other development tools Various Language Translators UUCP and Usenet Software Several popular editors including GNU Emacs. X Windows system. We offer Linux on either 5 1/4" or 3 1/2" diskette. Our prices are as follows: 5 1/4" Diskettes: $1.00/Each 3 1/2" Diskettes: $1.25/Each The version we distribute is SLS 1.03 which contains the Linux Kernel version .99 patch level 12. A breakdown of the packages contained in this release is as follows: Base Release: Disks A1-A4, B1-B7, C1-C3 Source Code: Disk S1 Documentation: Disks D1-D2 TeX formatter: Disks T1-T3 X Windows: Disks X1-X10 The full release (30 diskettes) is priced at: 5 1/4" Diskettes: $30.00 + Shipping 3 1/2" Diskettes: $37.50 + Shipping Linux is currently available on many Internet sites including TSX-11.MIT.EDU and others. We offer this as a service to those who don't have the time or resources to download such a large distribution. This version can be installed directly from diskette in about 30 minutes time. These disks are unsupported by us, although support is available on the Internet in the comp.os.linux Usenet hierarchy. Disks that are either defective or damaged in transit will be replaced. Terms of payment are one of the following: COD Cash or Cashiers Check (COD Charges will be added to your order) Personal Check (must clear first) Bank money order You may place a COD order by emailing Order@Morse.Net. For other orders, make your check or money order payable to: Morse Telecommunications 24 Prospect Avenue East Rockaway, NY 11518 (516) 599-8314 -- Michael R. Johnston mjohnsto@Morse.Net Morse Telecommunications - Unlimited, flat rate Usenet & Email: info@Morse.Net ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help From: andreas@knobel.knirsch.de (Andreas Klemm) Subject: Re: Source for /usr/bin progs? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 12:34:04 GMT iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes: >In article <1993Aug30.162045.7259@fylz.com> fyl@fylz.com (Phil Hughes) writes: >>Drew Eckhardt (drew@juliet.cs.colorado.edu) wrote: >>: In article sreekar@panix.com (Sreekar Shastry) writes: >> >>: >Does anyone know where I can get the source for some of the programs in /bin >>: >and /usr/bin like ls, whereis, df and the like? >>: >>: Virtually all of the Linux programs are GNU. >>... >> >>: you can grab the sources from any GNU archive - ie >>: prep.ai.mit.edu:/pub/gnu >> >>For those without ftp access, Free Software Foundation publishes >>a CD-ROM with source on it. It is $100 for individuals, available >In addition if you bought your copy of Linux from someone - eg SLS or >yygrdrasilwhatsername you can get the source from them at media cost >and the GNU license obliges them to provide it for you. What do you call media cost ? A CD is very cheap ... but I doubt that the "media cost" for the gnu source CD is less expensive as ordering their Linux ... or are they distributing the gnu source CD as "presents at media costs ?" ;-) -- /-\ Andreas Klemm +-----------------+ |@|########################################################-@ "pay for it !" | \-/ 41469 Neuss Germany phone +49/ 2137 12609 +-----------------+ ------------------------------ From: pickerig@eee.bham.ac.uk (Guy Pickering) Subject: Re: Checker, a gnu Purify subset Date: 1 Sep 1993 14:11:59 GMT Reply-To: G.PICKERING@bham.ac.uk SBPM Marc GINGOLD (marc@david.saclay.cea.fr) wrote: : Checker V0.1e-7 (c) 1993 Tristan Gingold : Checker will be a free and GNU implementation of Purify(tm). While I am not connected with the Purify product (other than a user) I would like to point out that Purify is not just a replacement for malloc(). It works by inserting extra code into the object files and relinks them (it actually takes copies of the files first). In doing this it offers far more than the facilities you describe. I do not wish to put a downer on what you have done because I think yours is an outstanding product in its own right, but please be careful in comparing, or making claims in respect to purify. If it offers all that Purify does then that is ok, but if it is a subset then say "Checker will be a free and GNU implementation of a subset of the Purify(tm) product". Guy -- +--------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Guy Pickering | Information Technology Group | | email: G.PICKERING@bham.ac.uk | School of Electronic & Electrical Eng, | | or: pickerig@eee.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham, | | Tel: +44 (021) 414 4340 | Edgbaston, Birmingham. B15 2TT. | | Fax: +44 (021) 414 4291 | ENGLAND. | +--------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com (David E. Wexelblat) Subject: Re: X11R5 on Linux ? Date: 1 Sep 93 13:13:59 GMT In article bluejay@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (BUSARI) writes: > Is it possible to install X11R5 on Linux ? I mean, instead of > XFree86...I hear it's freely available --though it'd probably > take up more disk space. > But it'd be nice to have motif programs running on my PC. > > Since X11R5 is free (from what I here), then what's the point > of having XFree86? What's the difference (pros/cons) ? This has GOT to be the funniest thing I've seen in a LONG time. Does "bluejay" imply "bird brain"? Now, let's see - a little critical analysis. XFree86: X, Free, 86. Hmm. One might suppose that this name implied that XFree86 was free software. What's the point of XFree86? It runs on Linux (as well as a dozen other OSs). X11R5 does not run on Linux. How on earth could ANYONE reach either conclusion that you've reached (that XFree86 costs money, or that X11R5 can be used on Linux)? > > bluejay@dcs.qmw.ac.uk > > Sigh. -- David Wexelblat (908) 957-5871 Fax: (908) 957-5305 AT&T Bell Laboratories, 200 Laurel Ave - 3F-428, Middletown, NJ 07748 XFree86 requests should be addressed to "Shining, flying, purple wolfhound, show me where you are." Yes, "Yours Is No Disgrace" ------------------------------ From: rcopg@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Paul Gortmaker) Subject: Re: coprocessor makes LOTS of difference Date: 1 Sep 1993 14:45:41 GMT las@io.org (Laszlo Herczeg) writes: > > > > Based on preliminary testing, a 386-DX 40 with a Cyrix 83D87 40 Mhz > FPU chip is faster than a 486-33. > > This is based on POV 1.0 tracing the file ntreal.pov. > Results: > 386-40 with Cyrix: 9 hours 23 minutes > 486-33 : 11 hourand 10 minutes > >The tests were executed on unloaded machines, using the same quality >and size options for the rayracer. > ...something is wrong here. Was the 486 an intel, or a Cyrix, or an AMD? Was the 486 crippled with minimal memory? Or was the 486 suffering from not having memory above 16M cached (if so equipped.)?? If the 486 was a clone, did it also have a co-processor? Other possibilities -- does POV do heavy graphics rendering? If so, are the video cards similar? (...a slow Trident vs. an et4000 perhaps?) >Since I purchased my Cyrix , X performance has improved dramatically. >PostScript rendering has also improved a lot. > >If anyone is thinking of buying a new system (and price _does_ matter for you) >I definitely recommend the 386-40 with a coprocessor combo over against >a 486. ...yes, this is true somewhat. If you are strapped for $$$, you will get better performance by buying a 386 and putting the extra money towards more memory, as opposed to a 486 running only 4Mb (...or less!) Paul. =========================================================================== Paul Gortmaker c/o Microelectronics and Materials Technology Centre. Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, GPO Box 2476V, Melbourne 3001, Victoria, Australia. Ph (61) 3 660 2601. FAX (61) 3 662 1921. e-mail: paul@cain.mmtc.rmit.oz.au rcopg@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au >-- >================================================================================ >Laszlo Herczeg E-mail: las@io.org >Be careful : our subnet is being run on the (as yet) unreliable net-2 code >================================================================================ ------------------------------ From: tzs@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) Subject: Re: Linux and Corporate America Date: 1 Sep 1993 15:16:39 GMT Rick Miller - Linux Device Registrar wrote: >Here's the loophole... > > Linus, have you *paid* for your Copyright on Linux yet? > It has been openly published for over a year now... Huh? You are either confusing patents with copyrights, or ignoring the last ~20 years worth of copyright law, or both. --Tim Smith ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************