From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 20:23:04 EST Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #354 Linux-Misc Digest #354, Volume #1 Mon, 29 Nov 93 20:23:04 EST Contents: Re: [Q] Linux and IDE/SCSI Drives / 8mm Backup / Irwin Backup / Digiboar (Matthew D Porter) Creating MS-DOS Filesystems (Naved A. Surve) Gateway 386DX25 - what would you pay? (Dan Simoes) [Q]Faster SCSI patch (Jens Kristian Elstad) HELP - *big* problem inst (George Mealy) Re: New typsetting program (Orhan Unal) Re: TeX, SGML, and graphics? ( Karsten Ballueder) UMSDOS has been move to sunsite (Jacques Gelinas) $20 Linux-compatible Ricoh SCSI controllers available (Dave Platt) Re: Dynamic Linking for Linux? (Aubrey Jaffer) How to run term?;-)...Clueless: (bg7137513@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mporter@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Matthew D Porter) Subject: Re: [Q] Linux and IDE/SCSI Drives / 8mm Backup / Irwin Backup / Digiboar Date: 29 Nov 1993 18:27:39 GMT In article habaoch@eng.auburn.edu (Bao Chau Ha) writes: >In article <4ukDDc1w164w@owl.isis.org> doug@owl.isis.org (Douglas W Murray) writes: >>3) As a more permanent solution to backups, I am planning on getting an >> Irwin Accutrak QIC-80 compliant tape unit, but again I need to know if >> this unit is supported by Linux / ftape. If so, where would I find the >> drivers or software required for this. >> >Do not get the Irwin AccuTrak for Linux. I got an Irwin AccuTrak >and it is not recognize by ftape. I tried to get documentation >from Irwin but they have steadily refused. It is a nice drive under >DOS and OS/2, but I am really upset at Irwin. BTW, Irwin was >bought by Maynard (Archive) and by Conner now. I think we should >try to stay away from these companies which have an attitude >problem. They want to be the only one who knows how to get these >drives working, so they would be your only source of software >driver. The Irwin Accutrak is not QIC-80, it is a servoe-based floppy controller tape dThe Accutrak does not work with ftape becuase it is not QIC-80, however, if you want a Conner/Irwin/Archive QIC-80 solution get an Archive Superhornet. It operates fine with ftape from my experiences. I'm working on doing some ftape compatibility testing with the various floppy tape drives I'm using on co-op at IBM. I'll put together a compatibility report if I get a chance. -- Matt Porter porterm@camelot.eng.ohio-state.edu Ask me about running Linux, mporter@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu The fast, free *nix for 386/486/Pentium ------------------------------ From: surve_n@zebra.cs.jhu.edu (Naved A. Surve) Subject: Creating MS-DOS Filesystems Date: 29 Nov 1993 19:23:57 GMT Hey, Is there a utility out there that creates reliable DOS filesystems under Linux? Forgive me if this is an FAQ item... Thanks, -Naved -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Naved A. Surve | The Johns Hopkins University surve_n@server.cs.jhu.edu | Baltimore, Maryland -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone From: dans@ans.net (Dan Simoes) Subject: Gateway 386DX25 - what would you pay? Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 19:14:48 GMT I have the following system, which is perfectly adequate for my needs at this time. However, I'd like to do some X development and that involves higher RAM, probably SCSI and CDROM+tape support. So, I *may* be interested in selling my system for the right price. What would you pay for this? I will consider it an offer if you indicate that it is such. Gateway 2000 386DX25 noncache came with: - dual Epson floppies - ATI 512k VGA wonder card with Microsoft Mouse - 4Mb 70ns DRAM on motherboard, expanadable to 8 on MB, or to 16 with expansion card - DOS 4.01 and Windows 3.0 - Western Digital 85Mb IDE hard drive, doublespaced I upgraded to: - NEC 3D 14" monitor - DOS 6.2 and Windows 3.1 And added: - Quantum LPS 85Mb hd, refurbed by Quantum (I fried the original while installing it) - Linux SLS 1.03 upgraded to pl13 and X386 2.0 (yes, X!) - US Robotics 14400 faxmodem (internal) I'd like to keep the modem and possibly monitor, but are you interested in buying a 386 with fully operational DOS/Windows environment, and with a reboot, a real Unix (TM) environment with fully configured X, GCC, UUCP and all the other toys? If so, let me know... Everything works perfectly and is in mint condition. | Dan | -- Dan Simoes dans@ans.net Associate Programmer (914) 789-5378 Advanced Network & Services Elmsford, NY ------------------------------ From: chris@stud.cs.uit.no (Jens Kristian Elstad) Subject: [Q]Faster SCSI patch Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 19:51:24 GMT Hi! I just grabbed the improvement patch for scsi disks from tsx-11. ./ALPHA/scsi/cluster-04.tar.z or something likewise... I then tried patching it against my official 0.99pl13 kernel sources...and got into troubble - It would'nt patch! I then realised that the README file did'nt say anything about whitch kernel source the patch was made from... So here is the question; Which kernel source do I need to apply this patch..? And a related question; Is this patch allready in the 0.99pl14 kernel sources..? And a lazy question a the end; What is the easiest way to apply the patch..? patch ....??....?? Thanx... -Kristian. ______________________________________________________________________ Kristian Elstad Tel.: +083-72917 Computer Science, Internet: chris@stud.cs.uit.no University of Tromsoe, Varden vn. 225a, Tromsoe, 9018, Norway. ______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: george.mealy@channel1.com (George Mealy) Subject: HELP - *big* problem inst Date: 29 Nov 93 14:16:00 GMT CC> 8Mb RAM CC> Setup correctly detects my inactive and no-filesystem swap partition, I CC> allow it to use /dev/hda3 as my swap partition and let it "mkswap" it. CC> task[0] (swapper) killed: unable to recover CC> Kernel panic: Trying to free up swapper memory space CC> In swapper task - not syncing One thing you have not tried is to run without a swapping partition (or equivalently, not invoking 'swapon'. With 8Mb, you surely do not need swapping just to install the system. Device 2/28 is /dev/fd0H1440, but a device change message is normal, so has nothing to do with the other stuff it spit at you. In linux/config.in, the Promise Technologies DC-4030VL is not in the list of supported SCSI adaptors. Maybe one of the others is sufficient -- I dunno. But, it may be sufficiently SCSI-like to do everything but swap? Worth a try. In linux/README, Linus gives a procedure for using the printout to find out where in the system the error is being picked up. Try looking at it with that help. You have the sources in the file lx99pl13.tgz -- you can install them using the boot disk and then 'sysinstall' without having done through a complete installation. You may, if lucky, have gotten that far anyway. You will find the tree of installed files off /root. Hope something here helps. * RM 1.2 00279 * I may be wrong, but if so I am not far from it. ------------------------------ From: unal@paramount.nikhefk.nikhef.nl (Orhan Unal) Subject: Re: New typsetting program Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 20:24:53 GMT In article <2dd8bv$3m4@irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de> jw6@irz.inf.tu-dresden.de (Joerg Wittenberger) writes: > > >-- >Hi all, > >Some times ago anyone announced in c.o.l.a. about a new typsetting-program >which may be a alternativ to TeX/LaTeX. >(As far as I remember it should be simpler in Notation and generates >PostScript output.) > >I lost the notice where I can pick it up. >Can anyone help to find it. >Any other suggestion welcome. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Joerg Wittenberger email: jw@ibch50.inf.tu-dresden.de >Rietzstr. 32b jw6@mail.inf.tu-dresden.de >01139 Dresden >Germany > >-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- >Version: 2.3a > >mQA9Aiye4ZwAAAEBgNw2trlcKoIkIPIBJ4y4rhSGlOHDcUb1a+SuzpoZQCle8VWo >GWi9hyZqTszLZIhXSQAFEbQFamVycnm0EkpvZXJnIFdpdHRlbmJlcmdlcg== >=ESkz >-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- I think what you're looking for is LOUT. First try archie to find a site in Europe. If you can't find one, you can always get it from sunsite.unc.edu in directory "pub/Linux/editors". ------------------------------ From: karsten@lt4.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk ( Karsten Ballueder) Subject: Re: TeX, SGML, and graphics? Date: 29 Nov 1993 20:56:04 GMT Reply-To: karsten@lt4.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk ( Karsten Ballueder) Hi. Some time ago I wrote a small subroutine that converts any form of graphic into LaTeX-input. It does this by analysing the graphic (via a user-defined subroutine to make it format-independent) and converting it into appropiate line-drawing commands for LaTeX. As you can imagine, this is pretty slow. If someone is interested in this routine for including it in a program, please tell me, so I can send it to you or even release for public. If I find the time, I might write a small gif/jpeg to LaTeX-converter. Ciao, Karsten -- _____..---========+^+=========---.._____ ______________________ __,-='=====____ ================== _____=====`= (._____________________I__) - _-=_/ `--------=+=--------' / /__...---===='---+---_' '------'---.___ - _ = _.-' `--------' USS Enterprise, NCC-1701D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Karsten Ball"uder, Royal Holloway, c/o Physics Department, Egham Hill, Egham, Surrey TW20 0EX, United Kingdom charon.physik.uni-osnabrueck.de jupiter.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de --> LinuX - The better text adventure. <-- ------------------------------ From: jack@solucorp.qc.ca (Jacques Gelinas) Subject: UMSDOS has been move to sunsite Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 19:00:23 GMT UMSDOS, a new LINUX file system allowing installation of LINUX in a MSDOS FAT file system has been move to sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/Incoming It should me move latter to pub/Linux/ALPHA/umsdos.0.0.tar.z -- ======================================================== Jacques Gelinas (jacques@solucorp.qc.ca) Maintainer of US4BINR jacques@us4binr.login.qc.ca ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.periphs.scsi,sci.electronics,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware From: dplatt@ntg.com (Dave Platt) Subject: $20 Linux-compatible Ricoh SCSI controllers available Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 21:38:03 GMT A couple of months ago, I bought a surplus Ricoh "generic SCSI" controller at an electronics store in this area. I've been able to get it to work with Linux. Other folks who are looking for an inexpensive SCSI capability for a Linux system might want to check it out. The bad news first: - This model was discontinued by Ricoh years ago. They no longer support it in any way. They no longer have any information about it at all (I asked - they've tried to dig up enough info to do a tech sheet and have failed). - The store doesn't have any information about it either. They don't (can't) actually test the cards, and so sell them as-is. - It's not compatible with Adaptec, Bustek/Buslogic, Future Domain, Trantor, or any other well-known SCSI controller cards. No off-the-shelf drivers will work with it as far as I know. - There's no DOS driver support available at all. - It's an 8-bit controller, and thus has limitations on the IRQs and DMA channels it can use. - It has a few quirks to it. - It isn't bootable. - I haven't tested it with anything other than a hard disk (although both tape and CD-ROM should work, I believe). The good news: - It has an on-board DOS BIOS. Disassembling this revealed enough clues to permit a Linux driver to be developed (thank you, Drew!) - It uses an NCR5380, so Drew Eckhardt's "generic NCR5380" driver skeleton could be used as a starting point. (Thanks again!) - Both of the ones I've bought, have worked. - It's fast enough to be useful. On a 386SX-16, under 0.99pl13, iozone reports read/write throughputs of about 110-120 kbytes/second to a Maxtor LXT-213 when the card is run in DMA mode. In PIO mode it's rather slower. I believe that DMA-mode performance will be significantly better with the experimental block-cluster patches installed. - It's cheap ($20), and the Linux driver is free. - There are still about 30 of these cards in stock, as of a couple of days ago. [Last week they told me on the phone that they were completely sold out, but I checked in person and they do indeed have more.] Techie details: - It's an I/O-port-mapped NCR5380 design. - It uses ports 0x146 and 0x147 (to read the jumpers and perform miscellanous magic), and either 0x148-0x14F or 0x248-0x24F (NCR5380 registers). Its port addressing logic is slightly broken (it responds to DMA accesses in the port-number range)... for fully reliable operation it's necessary to lock out the lowest page in each one-meg memory range so that no DMA access can generate something that the card thinks is a read/write to one of its ports. I have a simple patch for mm/memory.c to implement this. - It can be used either as a PIO controller (slow, simple, and quite reliable so far) or with motherboard-driven DMA on channel 1 or 3 (also reliable once I figured out a few quirks, and significantly faster than PIO). - It can use IRQ 3, 4, or 5 (and perhaps 7 as well although I haven't tested this) and can also be used without an IRQ. It can use DMA channel 1 or 3. - It does not conflict with IDE controllers. - It supports scatter/gather transfers, and disconnect/reselect (iff an IRQ is enabled). - It has on-board terminators (removable), a 50-pin header for connection to an internal SCSI device, a 50-pin header on the back for connection to an external SCSI daisychain, and a 50-pin-to- Centronics-50 shielded cable (I don't know how many of these the store has left). If you're interested, you can purchase these cards from the store: Halted Specialties Co. (HSC Electronic Supply) in Santa Clara, CA. Phone (408) 732-1573. The Ricoh generic SCSI controller is stock #12268, and sells for $19.95 plus shipping (and tax if you're in California). Ask them to include the external shielded cable if they have any left. Write to me for a copy of the driver... it's alpha-quality but seems to be working reliably. obDisclaimer: I have no relationship with Halted Specialties except as a satisfied customer. -- Dave Platt dplatt@ntg.com ..or.. ...netcomsv!ntg!dplatt USNAIL: The 3DO Company, NTG division 2470 Embarcardero Way Palo Alto CA 94303 ------------------------------ From: jaffer@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Aubrey Jaffer) Subject: Re: Dynamic Linking for Linux? Date: 29 Nov 93 17:03:11 In article <2ddd22$nfm@garuda.csulb.edu> werts@beach.csulb.edu (Michael Werts) writes: Is there a dynamic linking capability available for Linux? I'm looking for something like 'dld' by Wilson and Ho, or I suppose something like Windows' DLLs. I have been working on porting dld-3.2.3 to linux. DLD is available from prep.ai.mit.edu:pub/gnu/dld-3.2.3.tar.gz. My patched version for Linux is in altdorf.ai.mit.edu:archive/scm/dld3c3.tar.gz. At least on my out-of-date Linux system (99.10), DLD cannot link library archives (ar format). The "simple", "overlay", and "add1" test suites work so far. "general" and "reload" do not. I would be interested if anyone gets different results on more recent versions of Linux or gcc. Here is a diff -rc file from dld-3.2.3. For some reason, patch screws up applying it. ================================================================ diff -rc dld-3.2.3/Makefile dld/Makefile *** dld-3.2.3/Makefile Thu May 30 07:13:49 1991 --- dld/Makefile Fri Nov 26 13:51:47 1993 *************** *** 17,22 **** --- 17,25 ---- rm -f ${ARCHIVE} *.o cd test; make clean + test: + cd test; make all + .c.o: ${CC} -c ${CFLAGS} $*.c Only in dld: Makefile~ diff -rc dld-3.2.3/defs.h dld/defs.h *** dld-3.2.3/defs.h Thu May 30 07:13:51 1991 --- dld/defs.h Tue Sep 7 12:33:32 1993 *************** *** 29,34 **** --- 29,40 ---- #include #include #include "dld.h" + + /* added by jaffer@ai.mit.edu for linux */ + #ifndef N_COMM + #define N_COMM 0x12 /* common (internal to ld) */ + #endif + /* Each input file, and each library member ("subfile") being loaded, has a `file_entry' structure for it. Only in dld: defs.h~ diff -rc dld-3.2.3/dld.c dld/dld.c *** dld-3.2.3/dld.c Thu May 30 07:13:31 1991 --- dld/dld.c Fri Nov 26 13:41:15 1993 *************** *** 289,295 **** _dld_malloc (size) int size; { ! register int result = malloc (size); if (!result) fatal (DLD_ENOMEMORY); return result; --- 289,297 ---- _dld_malloc (size) int size; { ! register int result; ! if (0==size) size = 1; ! result = malloc (size); if (!result) fatal (DLD_ENOMEMORY); return result; Only in dld: dld.c~ diff -rc dld-3.2.3/find_exec.c dld/find_exec.c *** dld-3.2.3/find_exec.c Thu May 30 07:13:53 1991 --- dld/find_exec.c Sat Sep 4 23:46:19 1993 *************** *** 25,30 **** --- 25,33 ---- #include #include #include + #ifdef linux + #include + #endif #define DEFAULT_PATH ".:~/bin::/usr/local/bin:/usr/new:/usr/ucb:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/hosts" Only in dld: find_exec.c~ diff -rc dld-3.2.3/test/add1/Makefile dld/test/add1/Makefile *** dld-3.2.3/test/add1/Makefile Thu May 30 07:13:43 1991 --- dld/test/add1/Makefile Thu Nov 25 23:34:49 1993 *************** *** 5,10 **** --- 5,11 ---- CFLAGS = -g -I../.. all: ${EXEC} + call_add1 clean: rm -f ${EXEC} *.o Only in dld/test/add1: Makefile~ diff -rc dld-3.2.3/test/add1/add1.c dld/test/add1/add1.c *** dld-3.2.3/test/add1/add1.c Thu May 30 07:13:43 1991 --- dld/test/add1/add1.c Sat Sep 4 23:58:31 1993 *************** *** 1,5 **** --- 1,6 ---- extern int x; add1() { + printf("got here\n"); x++; } Only in dld/test/add1: add1.c~ diff -rc dld-3.2.3/test/add1/call_add1.c dld/test/add1/call_add1.c *** dld-3.2.3/test/add1/call_add1.c Thu May 30 07:13:43 1991 --- dld/test/add1/call_add1.c Thu Nov 25 23:51:59 1993 *************** *** 1,3 **** --- 1,4 ---- + #include #include "dld.h" int x; *************** *** 13,19 **** register void (*func) (); /* required initialization. */ ! (void) dld_init (argv[0]); x = 1; printf ("global variable x = %d\n", x); --- 14,20 ---- register void (*func) (); /* required initialization. */ ! (void) dld_init (dld_find_executable(argv[0])); x = 1; printf ("global variable x = %d\n", x); *************** *** 20,25 **** --- 21,27 ---- dld_link ("add1.o"); + printf("exec? %d\n",dld_function_executable_p("add1")); /* grap the entry point for function "add1" */ func = (void (*) ()) dld_get_func ("add1"); *************** *** 26,29 **** --- 28,32 ---- /* invoke "add1" */ (*func) (); printf ("global variable x = %d\n", x); + return 2==x ? EXIT_SUCCESS : EXIT_FAILURE; } Only in dld/test/add1: call_add1.c~ diff -rc dld-3.2.3/test/general/read-a.out.c dld/test/general/read-a.out.c *** dld-3.2.3/test/general/read-a.out.c Thu May 30 07:13:37 1991 --- dld/test/general/read-a.out.c Sat Sep 4 23:46:35 1993 *************** *** 28,36 **** perror ("Can't read header"); exit (); } ! printf ("Header information:\nmagic = 0%o, text size = %d, data size = %d\n", header.a_magic, header.a_text, header.a_data); printf ("bss size = %d, syms size = %d, entry point = 0x%x, trsize = %d, drsize = %d\n", header.a_bss, header.a_syms, header.a_entry, header.a_trsize, header.a_drsize); --- 28,37 ---- perror ("Can't read header"); exit (); } ! #ifndef linux printf ("Header information:\nmagic = 0%o, text size = %d, data size = %d\n", header.a_magic, header.a_text, header.a_data); + #endif printf ("bss size = %d, syms size = %d, entry point = 0x%x, trsize = %d, drsize = %d\n", header.a_bss, header.a_syms, header.a_entry, header.a_trsize, header.a_drsize); Only in dld/test/general: read-a.out.c~ diff -rc dld-3.2.3/test/overlay/Makefile dld/test/overlay/Makefile *** dld-3.2.3/test/overlay/Makefile Thu May 30 07:13:42 1991 --- dld/test/overlay/Makefile Fri Nov 26 00:03:47 1993 *************** *** 5,10 **** --- 5,11 ---- CFLAGS = -g -I../.. all: ${EXEC} + overlay clean: rm -f ${EXEC} *.o Only in dld/test/overlay: Makefile~ diff -rc dld-3.2.3/test/overlay/overlay.c dld/test/overlay/overlay.c *** dld-3.2.3/test/overlay/overlay.c Thu May 30 07:13:41 1991 --- dld/test/overlay/overlay.c Fri Nov 26 00:03:24 1993 *************** *** 46,49 **** --- 46,50 ---- } dld_unlink_by_symbol ("chain", 0); } while (p); + return 0; } Only in dld/test/overlay: overlay.c~ diff -rc dld-3.2.3/test/reload/Makefile dld/test/reload/Makefile *** dld-3.2.3/test/reload/Makefile Thu May 30 07:13:34 1991 --- dld/test/reload/Makefile Fri Nov 26 00:13:08 1993 *************** *** 5,10 **** --- 5,11 ---- CFLAGS = -g -I../.. all: ${EXEC} + reload reload-test clean: rm -f ${EXEC} *.o *************** *** 18,23 **** reload: $(LIB) $(INCLUDE) reload.o reload-test ${CC} ${CFLAGS} reload.o $(LIB) -o reload ! reload-test: reload-test.o ! ld -r reload-test.o /lib/libc.a -o reload-test ! --- 19,24 ---- reload: $(LIB) $(INCLUDE) reload.o reload-test ${CC} ${CFLAGS} reload.o $(LIB) -o reload ! reload-test: reload-test.o Makefile ! # ld -r reload-test.o /lib/libc.a -o reload-test ! ld -r reload-test.o /lib/libc.so.4 -o reload-test #linux Only in dld/test/reload: Makefile~ diff -rc dld-3.2.3/test/reload/reload.c dld/test/reload/reload.c *** dld-3.2.3/test/reload/reload.c Thu May 30 07:13:33 1991 --- dld/test/reload/reload.c Fri Nov 26 00:14:56 1993 *************** *** 36,41 **** --- 36,43 ---- *new_brk = sbrk(0); (*func) (); } + return 0; } + else return 1; #endif } Only in dld/test/reload: reload.c~ diff -rc dld-3.2.3/test/simple/Makefile dld/test/simple/Makefile *** dld-3.2.3/test/simple/Makefile Thu May 30 07:13:43 1991 --- dld/test/simple/Makefile Fri Nov 26 00:16:11 1993 *************** *** 5,10 **** --- 5,11 ---- CFLAGS = -g -I../.. all: ${EXEC} + simple clean: rm -f ${EXEC} *.o Only in dld/test/simple: Makefile~ diff -rc dld-3.2.3/test/simple/simple.c dld/test/simple/simple.c *** dld-3.2.3/test/simple/simple.c Thu May 30 07:13:42 1991 --- dld/test/simple/simple.c Fri Nov 26 00:16:35 1993 *************** *** 11,14 **** --- 11,15 ---- printf ("Hello world from %s\n", argv[0]); func = (void (*) ()) dld_get_func ("printf"); (*func) ("Hello world from %s\n", argv[0]); + return 0; } Only in dld/test/simple: simple.c~ ------------------------------ From: bg7137513@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg Subject: How to run term?;-)...Clueless: Date: 22 Nov 93 09:44:04 GMT Dear Pple, I just came into possession of a copy of Linux. I would like to know how to open up multiple communication channels over a single modem line using term.Any help would be greatly appreciated!Thanks! Pang. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************