From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Sat, 20 Nov 93 08:13:31 EST Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #320 Linux-Misc Digest #320, Volume #1 Sat, 20 Nov 93 08:13:31 EST Contents: please HELP: cannot mount iso9660-type, TOSHIBA-CD-ROM (Michael Luebbeke) [Summary] Linux Users Group in NL (Hugh Evans (ESA/ESTEC/WMA Netherlands)) Re: how fast is linux? (Grant Edwards) Prolog for Linux? (Sebastian C. Fotter) Re: GCC as Xcompiler?? (Eckehard Stolz) Re: OS/2 and X-Windows (Mike Dahmus) GCC 2.5.4 and Linux Pl13 (Brad Grant) [Q] Cheapest card for 1280x1024 72Hz (Ronald Hindmarsh) Re: how fast is linux? (David Barr) Re: Ugly X (Drinks All The Water) Help ! Can not runup the SLS 1.0.3 bootdisk on ADAPTEC 1542 (Tarang Patel) Re: Appletalk under linux? (Terrance M. Darcey, PhD) Motif (S.G. Theakston) Re: Appletalk under linux? (Jonathan M. Lennox) goodbye. (Spend my money/time on _school_?) Re: how fast is linux? (Kit Cosper) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fam-edv@zew.zew-mannheim.de (Michael Luebbeke) Subject: please HELP: cannot mount iso9660-type, TOSHIBA-CD-ROM Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 13:02:11 Hi, I´ve installed the TOSHIBA CD-ROM drive with an DC 193 SCSI-Controller. With the given *.sys files anything runs fine under DOS. But if I want to install the CD-ROM under LINUX (i´ve bought the INFOMAGIC-CD), I got always the message "ISO9660 not supported by kernel". I do have recompiled the kernel with the iso9660-Option, I do have verified, that the corresponding #defines are set in the header files and I do have run mknod -m 500 /dev/cdrom b 11 0 as proposed in one of the docs on the UNIX-CD (for heavens sake, I can read it with DOS!). I´ve tried the same procedure several times, always with the same result. During boot, there is a testing of SCSI-Devices taking place (thus the SCSI-option is definetly enabled) but it reports 0 SCSI devices & 0 CD-ROMs. What is my fault? Sorry, if this is a newbie question being already answered serveral times. If there are docs or FAQs, dealing with this problem, please reply. Bye Michael Luebbeke fam-edv@zew.zew-mannheim.de <><><><><><><><><><><> ZEW Zentrum fuer Europaeische Wirtschaftsforschung Center of European Economic Research Mannheim, Germany =================================================== ------------------------------ From: hevans@estwm0.wm.estec.esa.nl (Hugh Evans (ESA/ESTEC/WMA Netherlands)) Subject: [Summary] Linux Users Group in NL Reply-To: hevans@wm.estec.esa.nl Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 11:05:06 GMT A few weeks back I asked about whether there is a users group for Linux in the Netherlands. Here are the results: >Does anyone know of a user group in the Netherlands? The answer is Yes, but not specifically for Linux. The HCC (Hobby Computer Club) provides a Unix User Group which has its own Linux distribution. They do meet regularly and the contact is: Hans Oey, hans@mo.hobby.nl Thanks to: devet@adv.win.tue.nl, dassen@sthp.wi.leidenuniv.nl, HOOFT@EMBL-Heidleberg.DE, josv@nl.net, rnzll3!pe1chl!rob@relay.NL.net, As to the second question: > If not, are any Nederlanders out there interested in establishing one? The answer is also Yes, but since the HCC already provides something, I am uncertain how to proceed. In addition, dannyth@hacktic.nl mentioned: >Try and call our free linux machine with: >yggdrasil cd-rom online >Linux/Pro distribution > >phone 01720-42580 > >login as guest So, Thanks for all the responses! -- Hugh Evans European Space Research and Technology Centre - Noorwijk, Netherlands Internet: hevans@wm.estec.esa.nl SPAN: ESTWM2::hevans If something works in a Bond movie it won't work anywhere else. - gip@firefox.ino.it ------------------------------ From: grante@hydro.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) Subject: Re: how fast is linux? Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 18:34:01 GMT Michael H Price II (mhp1@Isis.MsState.Edu) wrote: : I am thinking about upgrading to linux but a friend told me it ran : slow. He's right, man! I run Linux and X11 on a 368DX-25, 8MB, no cache and a herc monochrome board. X performance and usability suck rocks compared to a SPARC-10 with 32MB, a 19 inch color monitor. So skip Linux and get a SPARC-10 with a nice 19 inch monitor. OTOH, compared to anything else on a 386 machine like I've got, Linux flies. Especially when you consider the price. With an accellerated SVGA board and a 486 it must be great. It's all relative. Is it time to start reminiscing about 8 users an 11/03 runnin V7 with 256K words of RAM and a 40M disk? (And we _liked_ it!) -- Grant Edwards |Yow! Wow! Look!! A stray Rosemount Inc. |meatball!! Let's interview |it! grante@rosemount.com | ------------------------------ From: fotter@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Sebastian C. Fotter) Subject: Prolog for Linux? Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 12:37:15 GMT Is there a good (or maybe a not-so-good) Prolog Compiler/Interpreter available for Linux? Please send any replies by e-mail, i'll post a summary in this group. Thanks, Basti Sebastian Fotter fotter@informatik.tu-muenchen.de ------------------------------ From: stolz@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Eckehard Stolz) Subject: Re: GCC as Xcompiler?? Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 13:15:21 GMT In article , kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca (Kevin G. Fisher) writes: |> |> |> Hi all: |> |> I am interested in doing cross development with the 68k line of systems |> under Linux, and I've heard/read in the man pages that gcc will cross |> compile 68k to 68k assembly. I'm running SLS (a bit dated, 1.02 I think). |> However, when I try to compile any C source with the -m68000 option, it |> tells me I'm using an invalid option. The people on comp.sys.m68k tell me |> it should work....so, my question: is the 68000 stuff disabled for some |> reason in the SLS dist, or is it just not possible to do the cross |> compilation on the Linux x86 system? |> You have to build your own GCC-Compiler with the appropriate options enabled (read built in by compiling). Unfortuinatly, the sources of GCC 2.4.5 are about 5 Meg's of gezipped Tar, I think GCC 2.5.3 is even almost 6 Meg's That means, you need about 35 to 50 Meg's of free disk space to get it compiled. You need also a 68k-compiled version of the runtime library, if you want to get executables. If you want to have more information, please email me Eckehard stolz@informatik.tu-muenchen.de stolz@fiffi.sta.sub.org ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.unix.misc From: mike@schleppo.bocaraton.ibm.com (Mike Dahmus) Subject: Re: OS/2 and X-Windows Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 15:12:03 GMT Reply-To: miked@vnet.ibm.com (Mike Dahmus) In <1993Nov18.233450.15443@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Fred J. McCall 575-5185) writes: >COULT NICHOLAS ASHTON (coult@magellan) wrote: >: I have heard that, with the proper software, it is possible under OS/2 to run an X-server >: which serves applications remotely over a modem connection. >: I have some questions regarding this. > >: 1. Is it really possible? > >Yes, but you're being somewhat confused. You're calling it 'server' >but describing what in X is called a *client*. I don't know of any X >client software for OS/2. There are X server package, which when >coupled with TCP/IP will let you run a SLIP connection to another >machine that is running an X client and display its applications on >your screen. One of the "kits" that comprises IBM TCP/IP 2.0 contains both an X server and an X client. I don't use X, so I don't know anything more about it. ====== Mike Dahmus Internet: miked@vnet.ibm.com Pen for OS/2 Development, IBM PSP IBM: mike@schleppo.bocaraton.ibm.com Disclaimer: Not an official IBM spokesman IBM Vnet: MDAHMUS at BOCA ------------------------------ From: grant981@Armstrong.EDU (Brad Grant) Subject: GCC 2.5.4 and Linux Pl13 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 23:57:15 GMT Has anyone been able to get Patch Level 13 to compile under GCC 2.5.4. I have been unsuccessful. It won't go past init/main.c. Brad -- -- Brad Grant Internet: grant981@pirates.Armstrong.EDU ASC UUCP: !Armstrong.EDU!grant981 ------------------------------ From: ronald@cs.tu-berlin.de (Ronald Hindmarsh) Subject: [Q] Cheapest card for 1280x1024 72Hz Date: 19 Nov 1993 22:29:18 GMT Has anybody got that under Linux/Xfree86 at all? I currently run a Diamond Stealth S3 with 1280x960 49 Hz interlaced in MS-Windows and 1024x768 NI with Linux/Xfree. Since I have a Eizo/Nanao T560i 130MHz Monitor, I would like to get a new graphics accelerator card. I heard of the ATI Ultra Pro (Mach32) being able to handle 1280x1024 at 74 Hz, cost in Germany is around 700 DM (450 $). Unfortunately, the Xfree Mach32 driver does not yet support > 80MHz, so 1024x768 is still the limit. Any clues? -- | Ronald D. Hindmarsh, e-mail: ronald@cs.tu-berlin.de | | TU Berlin, FR 3-9, Franklinstr. 29, D-10587 Berlin | | Phone: (+49) 30 314-73432 Fax: (+49) 30 314-21103 | ------------------------------ From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) Subject: Re: how fast is linux? Date: 19 Nov 1993 22:44:25 GMT In article , Andrew R. Tefft wrote: >Even though my 486 doesn't have nearly the raw processing power of a >sparc10, it certainly *feels* faster That depends. It's not hard to get a 486 which is faster than a SPARC 10, modulo bus, disk, and video speeds. --Dave -- "No man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent" - Abraham Lincoln ------------------------------ From: boutell@netcom.com (Drinks All The Water) Subject: Re: Ugly X Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 21:32:23 GMT wdmays01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes: >I know this is the wrong group to post too but I can't remember the correct one >so here it goes: With that attitude, why should anyone lend you a hand? C'mon, buddy, if you "can't remember" then at least read the FAQ. Please try comp.windows.x. This is *not* a Linux question in any way. (Specific note: this question belongs in comp.windows.x.i386unix, where XFree86 is discussed. -T) Hi there. You (may) have posted your Linux-related message to the wrong newsgroup. That's OK. Everyone does it once if they're new to the groups. Please read on so you can understand how to use the Linux groups in the future. Please understand that Linux is being developed cooperatively on the net and that, considering you paid nothing to the authors of Linux for the software, you are expected to make at least a modest effort to understand the etiquette of the Linux newsgroups *before* posting to them. It's not much to ask in exchange for free support! Now, what the groups are for and how to use them: ** comp.os.linux.announce: EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS GROUP! When a release or other change that affects the whole Linux community takes place, it'll show up in this group, which is moderated and quite low in volume. Take 30 seconds now and then to look it over. The dozens and dozens of people still asking what happened to term last week could have avoided this by keeping up with comp.os.linux.announce. ** New user and general Linux questions: comp.os.linux.help *Read* comp.os.linux.help, especially the FAQ (Frequently Answered Questions) posting. FAQs are written so it won't be necessary to repetitively answer the same question thirty or forty times a month. The answer to your question is very likely in a FAQ. If not, if you're new to Linux, comp.os.linux.help is probably the right group to post in. EXCEPTION: if your post is about X windows, please try comp.windows.x.i386unix first. WHAT IF I CAN'T FIND THE FAQ? You can ftp to rtfm.mit.edu, which has virtually all FAQs of all groups under pub/usenet; if you're not familiar with ftp check out the group news.newusers.questions which has regular postings on how to use virtually all standard net tools. Also see news.answers which has nearly every FAQ posted anywhere in Usenet. ** Questions and other posts about administering your Linux system: comp.os.linux.admin Try comp.os.linux.admin. Again, read the FAQ first- there's no reason to waste the time and money of others if the answer is there. ** "Any new stuff come out lately?" comp.os.linux.announce Read comp.os.linux.announce. It's a moderated group and the volume is very low. Again, everyone should do this. ** Other questions and musings or chitchat of general interest to the Linux community: comp.os.linux.misc Use comp.os.linux.misc. It's a catch- all group for things that don't fit into the above categories. Again, read first, post second. ** When should I post to comp.os.linux.development? ONLY if your message has to do with the actual *development of Linux itself*. Even then, if your message is a question and not input on the development of Linux, make every effort to study the FAQs first and make sure you can't answer it for yourself. This group is intended for those developing Linux itself, not for development of applications *using* Linux. Even if you think a question is relevant to developers, TRY COMP.OS.LINUX.HELP FIRST. Feel free to ask me for help in selecting the right groups. ** I disagree- I think you erred in sending this to me and it was posted to the right group after all. Well, perhaps I did- I'm fallible (GASP!). If I was in error, I apologize. I'm not in this for the ego points. If you have input on these guidelines or feel they should be changed, feel free to let me know. -Tom Boutell (boutell@netcom.com, Linuxer without portfolio) -- i'll be under the floorboards with my face in the sun ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: tp@jet.uk (Tarang Patel) Subject: Help ! Can not runup the SLS 1.0.3 bootdisk on ADAPTEC 1542 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 14:45:37 GMT I have SLS 1.0.3 (I believe, well at least it reported linux kernel 0.99 p12) and when booting with the boot disk from a machine with the Adaptec 1542 controller I get the following messages, and then the machine hangs. Why ? Aha1542_out failed (1) Configuring Adaptec at IO:330 IRQ 11 DMA priority 5 Aha1542_out aha1542.c interrupt received, but no mail SCSI0: Adaptec 1542 Adaptec 1542 scsi: 1 hosts I might have skipped a few lines but none the less, at this point my machine just sits there. I have check my Adaptec BIOS and the above IO, and IRQ configurations are correct. Also with the BIOS settings, amongst other things I have the following enabled or disabled. Host Adapter BIOS enabled System boot disabled Extended bios disabled Bios support for more then 2 disk enabled I remember seeing something about this. Please could someone refresh my memory on the subject. I have quickly browsed linux SCSI HOWTO but have not located the problem I am seeing, I guess I will read it better later on today but for now I thought this query might be quickest in resolving the problem. Mind you I have to confirm whether I am dealing with a straight Adaptec 1542 or Adaptec 1542 Revision C board. Thanks for any help. -- ============================================================================== ___ | snailmail : Mr T.K Patel - ---___- _-_-, | Jet Joint Undertaking, (' || // , | Email : tp@jet.uk (( || ||/\\ | Tel : (+44) (0235) 464533 (( || ~|| < | Room : K1/O/31 (( // ||/\\ | " I claim the right to have my own -____- <> _-__,\\, | views, and to speak for my self. " ============================================================================== - Disclaimer: Please note that the above is a personal view and should not be construed as an official comment from the JET project. ------------------------------ From: darcey@[129.170.16.50] (Terrance M. Darcey, PhD) Subject: Re: Appletalk under linux? Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 14:45:43 GMT In article john@josquin.ucdavis.edu (John Gillespie) writes: >Are there any appletalk drivers for linux to >allow printing to laserwriters on ethernet? >Thanks, >john You should probably have a look at CAP (Columbia Appletalk Package), which handles appletalk printer spooling plus appleshare file sharing on unix platforms... Terrance M. Darcey, PhD terrance.m.darcey@dartmouth.edu ------------------------------ From: sgt10@cl.cam.ac.uk (S.G. Theakston) Subject: Motif Date: 18 Nov 93 12:42:36 GMT I need Motif for linux, I need it now, i realise its commercial software, does any one out there distribute it for Linux ? HELP PLEASE. Cheers, Stu. -- _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ Stuart Theakston Uni of Cambridge _/ _/ _/ _/ Internet: SGT10@phx.cam.ac.uk _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ JANET: SGT10@uk.ac.cam.phx _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ ------------------------------ From: jonathan@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M. Lennox) Subject: Re: Appletalk under linux? Date: 20 Nov 1993 01:10:12 GMT In article , Terrance M. Darcey, PhD wrote: >In article john@josquin.ucdavis.edu (John Gillespie) writes: > >>Are there any appletalk drivers for linux to >>allow printing to laserwriters on ethernet? >You should probably have a look at CAP (Columbia Appletalk Package), which >handles appletalk printer spooling plus appleshare file sharing on unix >platforms... Has anyone ported the Berkeley Packet Filter to Linux yet? If not, you won't be able to talk to macs on Ethernet, though you will be able to talk to Macs on Localtalk on the other side of a Shiva Fastpath, assuming the Fastpath is using IPtalk, not Ethertalk, on the Ethernet side. If the Packet Filter _has_ been ported (which it hadn't been the last time someone asked this), it should be pretty easy to convince CAP's EtherTalk drivers to compile on Linux (it should be the same as the Ultrix code). -- Jonathan Lennox jonathan@columbia.edu ------------------------------ From: jmadison@etsun.tech.iupui.edu (Spend my money/time on _school_?) Subject: goodbye. Date: 12 Nov 93 02:51:06 GMT 57689 posts here on aim.purdue server. it was fun.. see y'all on tha other groups! :) -- jonM<>< ...the only part..." -b.w.A | Brainwashed Follower Linu/X.usr --+-- comp.sci.major comp.nerd, rap.ARTIST dj.ALLS | AR vinyl.advocate jmadison@etsun.tech.iupui.edu | "art doesn't sell and that's not ------------------------------ From: cosper@seq.uncwil.edu (Kit Cosper) Subject: Re: how fast is linux? Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 15:49:31 GMT clark@ist.flinders.edu.au (Steven R Clark) writes: >In article i29@Tut.MsState.Edu, mhp1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Michael H Price II) writes: >>I am thinking about upgrading to linux but a friend told me it ran slow. How >>fast/slow would it run on a 386DX-40 with 8megs RAM? >> >>Mike. >> >Compared to what? Doing what? >Give it a go and decide for yourself. Agreed. Jus fooling around yesterday I did a VERY UN-Scientific experiment (but it was fun!! :-) I compiled some code I found that computes PI up to 15K decimal digits and hard wired it to compute to 5K digits. I then ran it on my Linux Box (486/66 16MB) and TIME gave me somewhere around 37 seconds real time. I then ran it on a Sparc10 at school. I was the only person logged in (there isn't a news feed going to this machine and VERY little mail) and it took about 1:25. Since I figure all the NFS stuff on the Sparc had it bogged down I decided to load down my Linux box (logged in 4 virtual terminals, kept them busy editing files and running TOP) and wrote a script to run 20 concurrent iterations of the computation. I also ran 20 concurrent iterations on the Sparc. Final results; Fastest time under Linux ~12:39 Fastest time under Sparc ~23 min Slowest time for each was approx fastest time + 2 min Your mileage may vary, but I say I DEFINITELY have much more bang/$ Kit >--- > Steven R. Clark, BSc(Hons). > clark@cs.flinders.edu.au > <=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=> > I am returning this otherwise good typing paper to you because someone has > printed gibberish all over it and put your name at the top. > -- English Professor, Ohio University > <=-|-=> <=-|-=> <=-|-=> <=-|-=> <=-|-=> <=-|-=> <=-|-=> -- Kit Cosper cosper@seq.cms.uncwil.edu PP-ASEL-IA cosper@sol.cms.uncwil.edu ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************