From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 11:14:09 EST Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #312 Linux-Misc Digest #312, Volume #1 Thu, 18 Nov 93 11:14:09 EST Contents: pl13p breaks telnet (Chris Royle) Should at(1) bump days? (Thomas Koenig) Re: Linux Mirror in UK/Europe (Pedro Miguel M R Marques) Linux and The Connection 9600+ (Jon Elling) Re: Linux and Mitsumi CD-ROM (Gareth Bult) Diamond Viper and X (Herman Horsten) class-libraries for X and MS-windows ? (Jonas Svensson) tape-drive for linux (Jonas Svensson) Welcome to the comp.os.linux.* hierarchy! (Matt Welsh) [comp.os.linux.announce] Guidelines for posting (Matt Welsh) Re: OS/2 and X-Windows (Eliot Wilson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: c@angela.acad.cai.cam.ac.uk (Chris Royle) Subject: pl13p breaks telnet Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 01:49:42 GMT When using telnet, if I press CTRL+C before a connection is made, (say the host is being slow or something), then my complete machine crashes. Ideas ? Chris. -- Chris Royle Cheap mail & news feeds over UUCP from UKP5/mo Managing Director Windows / X-Windows code, 386s from UKP540 Objectronix Limited Desktop publishing Leeds, UK Tel. +44 532 661536 ------------------------------ From: ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin Subject: Should at(1) bump days? Date: 17 Nov 1993 23:44:04 GMT Hello, fellow Linuxers; I've put a bug/feature in my current at(1) implementation which, although sometimes useful, may also cause surprises. To quote the manpage: At allows some moderately complex TIME specifications. It accepts times of the form HHMM or HH:MM to run a job at a specific time of day. (If that time is already past, the next day is assumed.) So, when I run a command via $ at -f myscript 12:00 myscript will get executed at 12:00 the next day, if it is 13:00 (for example). Do people actually find this useful, or should it be removed in the next release (which is due within a few days, anyway)? Does anybody depend on it? Input appreciated, either via discussion or E-Mail. -- Thomas Koenig, ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, ig25@dkauni2.bitnet The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic diagram. ------------------------------ From: oproque@scosysv (Pedro Miguel M R Marques) Subject: Re: Linux Mirror in UK/Europe Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 15:13:34 GMT Steve Wilkinson (swilkins@west.uki.reuters.com) wrote: : Can anyone please tell me the best place to find a mirror of the : Linux stuff (for 386) that is reasonably close to London. Also, : I would appreciate recommendations as to the best version to use - : I need something for daily Internet access, but it doesn't need : to be rock solid (conversely, it doesn't need to fall over every day!). I usualy use src.doc.ic.ac.uk to get a linux dist. (directory /pub/operating-systems/Linux/...) I don;t know how far from london that is but i'm sure i'm mutch far away :-( IMHO try slackware 1.1.0! -- ############################################################################### Pedro Roque Marques Centro de Calculo Email: Faculdade de Ciencias Internet: oproque@scosysv.cc.fc.ul.pt Universidade de Lisboa bitnet: oproque at ptearn ############################################################################### ------------------------------ From: jon.elling@jaxnet.com (Jon Elling) Subject: Linux and The Connection 9600+ Date: 15 Nov 93 16:27:00 GMT Reply-To: jon.elling@jaxnet.com (Jon Elling) I'm thinking of upgrading to Linux as my OS but I have a sofware Upgradeable modem that looks at the hard drive for the ROM info. Its very fast so i don't want to get rid of it,and i got a good deal on it also. Any help would be much appreciated,this is probably one of my major blocks besides Required Hardware to allow me to upgrade to Linux,I would also like to know what type of terminal programs are available. Jon Elling ---- JaxNet BBS 904-292-4567 sysop@jaxnet.com ------------------------------ From: gareth@gblinux.demon.co.uk (Gareth Bult) Subject: Re: Linux and Mitsumi CD-ROM Date: 16 Nov 93 11:25:09 GMT The 'newer' Mitumi drives have firmware changes.... you need the newer boot floppy if you don't have it. (This is for pl7/8 CD's - I would assume the Fall '93 stuff to be correct) ------------------------------ From: horsten@uia.ac.be (Herman Horsten) Subject: Diamond Viper and X Date: 16 Nov 93 14:14:09 GMT Is there anyone who uses X in combination with a Diamond Viper graphics-card ? Are there drivers available and where can I find them ? What about the performance ? ------------------------------ From: jonass@lysator.liu.se (Jonas Svensson) Subject: class-libraries for X and MS-windows ? Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 20:03:38 GMT Is there any kind of library allowing me to use the same C++ source no matter if I am compiling under linux/X or microsoft/windows ? I do programs in C++ using Borland's compiler but I would like to move to linux, X and gcc. /Jonas -- __/// I need a 486... | jonass@lysator.liu.se | 2:204/404.8 @ Fidonet | \\X/ to play games on | | jonass@augs.se | ======================+ Jonas Svensson +=======================+ ------------------------------ From: jonass@lysator.liu.se (Jonas Svensson) Subject: tape-drive for linux Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 20:06:52 GMT I have an Irwin 250MB tape drive with programs for DOS and Windows, is it possible to use it with linux ? /Jonas -- __/// I need a 486... | jonass@lysator.liu.se | 2:204/404.8 @ Fidonet | \\X/ to play games on | | jonass@augs.se | ======================+ Jonas Svensson +=======================+ ------------------------------ From: mdw@sunsite.unc.edu (Matt Welsh) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.announce,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux,news.answers,comp.answers Subject: Welcome to the comp.os.linux.* hierarchy! Date: 18 Nov 1993 03:18:10 GMT Archive-name: linux/announce/intro Last-modified: 8 August 93 Welcome to the comp.os.linux.* hierarchy! Background ========================================================================= This posting is an introduction to the comp.os.linux.* hierarchy of USENET newsgroups. Linux is a free implementation of UNIX for 80386/80486 machines covered by the GNU GPL. Most of the development of the Linux kernel has been done by Linus Torvalds, an internationally reknowned UNIX wizard from Helsinki, Finland. For the past two years or so, the newsgroup comp.os.linux has grown be one of the most popular groups on USENET. Late in 1992, a CFV for splitting comp.os.linux was posted; the only group which passed was comp.os.linux.announce, a moderated newsgroup for Linux announcements and patches. Six months later, during the summer of 1993, another CFV for splitting comp.os.linux was posted. The voting period for the comp.os.linux reorganization results ended at 23:59:59 UTC on 4 August 1993 (4:59PM US Pacific Time, 7:59PM US Eastern Time.) The results are as follows: comp.os.linux reorganization results - 1842 votes Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------- 1692 135 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.admin 1741 90 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.development 1647 177 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.help 1660 155 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.misc Because of this split, the newsgroup comp.os.linux will be deleted on 11 November 1993. The new newsgroups will be created on 11 August 1993. This posting describes these newsgroups, including comp.os.linux.announce, which will remain entact. General Policy ========================================================================= The general policy for the Linux newsgroups is simple. Who sets the policy? We all do. All of us on USENET are interested in communicating openly about a number of topics. That's why we have USENET. If you want the Linux newsgroups to work for you, a few suggestions: * Read the Linux FAQ and follow the newsgroups for some time before posting questions. This is very important. comp.os.linux suffered from HUGE amounts of noise and traffic because much of the growing readership never bothered to READ the newsgroup; they only posted questions. The same thing will happen with the new newsgroups unless you read the FAQ (found on sunsite.unc.edu in the file pub/Linux/docs/FAQ) and read the newsgroup for some time before posting questions. Chances are, your question has already been recently answered, and a simple browsing of the newsgroup will answer it. We suggest using a threaded newsreader such as "trn" which will allow you to browse and mark articles by subject, so you don't have to read each and every article in each newsgroup. * Crossposting between the Linux newsgroups is STRONGLY discouraged. If you do crosspost questions between Linux newsgroups, expect to be flamed to oblivion. The reason we have a newsgroup split is to categorize discussions into separate newsgroups. Crossposting negates this effect. If your posting cannot fit into ONE of the newsgroups c.o.l.admin, c.o.l.help, or c.o.l.development, then you should post it to c.o.l.misc. The one exception is for announcements. Occasionally, an important announcement (such as this one) will be crossposted between c.o.l.announce and one or more of the other c.o.l.* groups. These announcements must be approved by the .announce moderator; see below. * Reply to questions via e-mail if at all possible. While discussion in the newsgroups is encouraged, if someone is asking a simple question to which the answer is well-known, there is no reason to post the reply. Don't assume that the person posting the question actually reads the newsgroup or will even note your followup if they do. Reply via e-mail unless the reply is of general interest. * Don't flame newbies. Over the course of the past few months, the Linux community has developed an oversensitive ego and a reputation for being unfriendly towards newcomers, mostly because of unwarranted flaming by a handful of righteous individuals. If someone posts, saying, "Hi! I'm new to this group! What is Linux?" (which will inevitably happen as the new newsgroups are propagated), DO NOT FLAME THEM. When someone sees a new newsgroup pop up within "rn", they are justifiably curious about the new group and probably don't know that well over 80,000 people who know EVERYTHING about Linux read the group. Right? Instead of being rude, you can send a polite note to the poster, saying, "Hello, Linux is a free implementation of UNIX for the 386 and 486. You can get the FAQ from sunsite.unc.edu in /pub/Linux/docs. Let me know if I can be of help!". That's all. Not difficult, eh? You can even save your stock reply in a file and simply send form-letters to newbies if you wish. But there is very little point in flaming or ever being rude. It goes against everything that Linux can and should be. Just remember that nobody knows everything---not even Linus--- and that you were a newbie once, too. :) comp.os.linux.announce ========================================================================= Comp.os.linux.announce is a moderated newsgroup for Linux announcements and source patches. The purpose of this group was to get all of the ``important'' Linux information out of the regular newsgroup and into a place where all Linux users could see the important announcements without having to wade through a jungle of other postings. So far, this group has been very successful. The moderators for this group are myself (Matt Welsh, mdw@sunsite.unc.edu) and Lars Wirzenius (wirzeniu@cc.helsinki.fi). We will be sharing the moderator duty, and backing each other up to make sure that postings to this group will be approved as soon as possible after they're submitted. Submissions to this group should be mailed to the address: linux-announce@tc.cornell.edu If you have any problems or questions about c.o.l.announce, please send mail to the moderators at linux-announce-request@tc.cornell.edu Or simply mail us directly. This is not a request address for mailing list subscription; see below. A separate posting details the guidelines for submitting to this group. I plan to approve just about anything that's posted to this group, except for questions or discussions about Linux. So, please, post away. :) There are also archives of comp.os.linux.announce available at a number of Linux FTP sites: check sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/docs/linux-announce.archive There is a mailing list mirror of the comp.os.linux.announce newsgroup; to join, send mail to linux-activists-request@niksula.hut.fi With the line X-Mn-Admin: join ANNOUNCE at the top of the body (not in the subject). Approved postings to c.o.l.announce will automatically be mailed to this mailing list channel. comp.os.linux.admin ========================================================================= This newsgroup was created simply to thwart the unique newsgroup acronym "c.o.l.a", previously used by c.o.l.announce. However, this newsgroup is also used for discussions and questions about running Linux systems, either in a single-user or multi-user environment. Clearly, there is no large distinction between c.o.l.admin and c.o.l.help. However, .admin should be mostly used for discussions about RUNNING Linux, not USING or PROGRAMMING it. Unfortunately, especially with Linux, the line between system administrator and system user is very fuzzy. In short, we anticipate c.o.l.admin to be mostly about questions with installing, setting up, and configuring Linux systems, as well as other discussions relating to system administration. comp.os.linux.development ========================================================================= c.o.l.development, or "c.o.l.d" for short, is a newsgroup for questions and discussions about Linux kernel and systems-level development. Please note that this is a newsgroup about development OF Linux, not development FOR Linux. In other words, c.o.l.d isn't for questions about programming or porting software to Linux. Instead, this is a newsgroup for discussions about developing the Linux kernel itself, including writing device drivers, adding new features, and so on. In addition, discussions about development of shared libraries, and other essential systems-level projects, are welcome here. Hopefully, this newsgroup will embody some of the content and scope of the linux-activists mailing list channels such as GCC, KERNEL, SCSI, and NET. comp.os.linux.help ========================================================================= Comp.os.linux.help is perhaps the most general of Linux newsgroups. It is for any general user, programming, or setup questions and discussion about Linux. If your question is about Linux development, post to c.o.l.development. If it is about system administration, post to c.o.l.admin. However, if your question is of a more general nature, such as "How do I set up Linux for use with an NE2000 card?", c.o.l.help is your place. Remember that you should not crosspost between .help and other Linux newsgroups. This means that if you are asking for help in .development, that's fine, but .help is for those questions which don't fit into .admin and .development. comp.os.linux.misc ========================================================================= This group is the canonical ``catch-all'' for discussions and questions which don't fit into the other Linux newsgroups. While c.o.l.help is generally for questions, c.o.l.misc is for discussions of a general nature about Linux, such as setting up a file hierarchy standard, questions about Linus' personal life and virtual beer, and the inevitable flame war. Again, it should be noted that crossposting between c.o.l.misc and other Linux newsgroups is strongly discouraged. If your posting or question does not fit into ONLY ONE of the other Linux newsgroups, post it to .misc. Comments ========================================================================= If you have questions or comments about this document, please direct them to mdw@sunsite.unc.edu. Flames to /dev/null; cheques and money orders to Linus Torvalds. Thanks. ------------------------------ From: mdw@sunSITE.unc.edu (Matt Welsh) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.announce,news.answers,comp.answers Subject: [comp.os.linux.announce] Guidelines for posting Date: 18 Nov 1993 03:19:54 GMT Archive-name: linux/announce/guide Last-modified: 26 Mar 93 HOW TO POST TO COMP.OS.LINUX.ANNOUNCE This article gives info on how and what to post to comp.os.linux.announce. Please read the whole thing, to avoid any confusion. :) To submit an article to this group, please mail the article to: linux-announce@tc.cornell.edu If you have questions or problems with posting to comp.os.linux.announce, please send mail to the moderators at: linux-announce-request@tc.cornell.edu Or, you may send mail to us directly. The moderators for this group are Matt Welsh (mdw@sunsite.unc.edu) and Lars Wirzenius (wirzeniu@cc.helsinki.fi). Whereas most versions of the C-News news software will automatically mail postings to the moderator address, it may take some time for this address to propagate (and there are many systems out there not supporting this automatic mailing feature). Therefore, to ensure that your posting will get to us, you should probably mail it to us by hand. Once we receive your article and approve it, we will post your article. NOTE: Your article will not show up in any newsgroups that it may be crossposted to (e.g. other than comp.os.linux.announce) until we approve the article. The delay should be negligible (we read email all the time), so please don't post the same article separately to other groups. That causes multiple copies to be sent around under most setups. Please don't crosspost articles between comp.os.linux.announce and other Linux newsgroups (excepting very important announcements, namely the Linux FAQ, new kernel/library releases, and others which I'll crosspost at my discretion :) ). If enough c.o.l.a articles end up in junk on sites which don't carry the group, maybe they'll start to carry it. If you don't get c.o.l.a at your site, please encourage your news admin to create it. It's a bona fide group and we need to get wider distribution. Remember: no announcement is too insignificant for this group. Don't be afraid to submit something if you think it isn't important enough; that's why we have moderators, to screen the content of the group. I plan to approve almost anything (announcement-wise) that's submitted. The following guidelines should be used when submitting articles: - I will approve a wide range of articles for this group. The only postings that are discouraged are discussions and questions about Linux. This group is mainly for: * Announcements of new software that has been ported to Linux (e.g. "DikuMUD v4.2 is now available on sunsite....") * Announcements of new versions or patchlevels of existing software, such as GCC, the kernel, libraries, new versions of utilities and so on. (e.g. "Linux v1.0 is finally available...") * Bug fixes and software patches (or announcements of available patches). If you have a fix for a known bug in any Linux software, please post the fix and the relevant patch (if any). If the patch is huge, instead post an announcement as to where it's available. (e.g. "Patch to fix broken 0.98.5 scsi.c....") * Summaries of responses for individual requests for information. If you requested some Linux-related information on c.o.l.h, and are posting a summary of that information, please submit it to c.o.l.a. (e.g. "Summary: What's the best VGA card for Xfree86?") * Just about anything else of any importance. If you're not sure if you should post the article to c.o.l.a, submit it anyway. It can't hurt, and most of the time your article will be approved anyway. - When submitting articles, please include valid Newsgroups, Subject, Keywords, From, and Date lines in the header. These may either be in the mail header itself, or you may simply include the article, header and all, in the body of the mail message. Please don't send mail with only the body of the article to be posted, as this doesn't include the Newsgroups: line and other article-specific information. - When submitting articles, please use a descriptive Subject line. If you crosspost the article to other groups, starting your subject with "ANNOUNCEMENT" helps it to stick out in those groups. If you're posting a patch or summary, use "SUMMARY" or "PATCH" at the beginning of your subject, as "ANNOUNCEMENT" isn't quite appropriate. - Also, please use a Keywords line in your header, so that articles may be searched more easily in the archives (when we have the archives up). The Keywords field should contain one or more of the following: Type of announcement: new version, patch, urgent, summary, etc. Package: kernel, GCC, X, TeX, SLS, jump tables, etc. Type of program: A keyword or two on what your program is. This is especially important if the program isn't part of a well-known package. Ex: editor, tcpip utils, game, etc. Version: 0.98.5, jumptables 4.2, etc. For example, if you're announcing v4.2 of Shoopsort for Linux, you might want a subject and keywords that look like this: Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT: Shoopsoft v4.2 now ported to Linux Keywords: Shoopsort 4.2, sorting algorithm, new port Or, if you're announcing a summary on ethernet cards for Linux, you could have: Subject: SUMMARY: Best ethernet cards for Linux TCP/IP Keywords: summary, ethernet, tcpip, cards, hardware If you have any problems or questions, please contact the moderators at linux-announce-request@tc.cornell.edu. Thanks, Matt Welsh, comp.os.linux.announce moderator ------------------------------ From: ewilson@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Eliot Wilson) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 and X-Windows Date: 17 Nov 1993 21:44:51 -0500 In article n9044144@gonzo.cc.wwu.edu (Khan M. Klatt) writes: ]coult@magellan (COULT NICHOLAS ASHTON) writes: ] ]>I have heard that, with the proper software, it is possible under OS/2 to run an X-server ]>which serves applications remotely over a modem connection. ]>I have some questions regarding this. ] ]>1. Is it really possible? ] ]I've never heard of this being possible... if so I, too, would appreciate ]answers to the following questions. The simpliest solution is to use IBM's TCP/IP which include a SLIP interafce which run IP over serial lines. But this would be very solw, even with 14.4 modems. But it would be do'able....even with 9600. I hear that Hummingbird is making a X-server for OS/2. Their Windoze version has an add-on which is code licensed from Tektronic. It has a portion that runs on the machine the X-client is running on(a unix host) and a portion that runs where is X-server is. It is "smart" about the X protocol and does great compression. i used the Windoze version with 9600 baud modems, and wa very impressed. Hummingbird is in Canada, forget the number their product is call eXceed. Hopefully they will have the "X-remote" portion for OS/2 also. MIT is working on LBX which is Low Bandwidth X which will be part of X11R6, or R7 I think and will provde this compression ability built into the X-server and clients, but it isn't a standard yet. Hope it helps, -Eliot > ]>2. What software is needed to do this? ]>3. How fast would the modem have to be for this to be useable? ]>4. Is there any special software/hardware which would be needed on the other ]>end of the connection? ] ]>Any help is greatly appreciated. If you know of a good place to look for this ]>information, please let me know. ] ]Indeed, me too. ] ]>-Nick ] ]Khan ] ]n9044144@henson.cc.wwu.edu ]-- ]-Khan M. Klatt---n9044144@henson.cc.wwu.edu---Western Washington University ] "It takes about a month for women to get used to me. Kinda like a ] skittish animal.. they have to sniff you for a while, walk around ] you until they get comfortable." -Andrew Ghali -- Eliot Wilson Univ. of Cincinnati UG Computer Science A-in't * I OS/2 it! * I-t Internet: X-citing ewilson@ucunix.san.uc.edu / Hate->The latest family value / ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************