From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 00:13:26 EST Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #302 Linux-Misc Digest #302, Volume #1 Tue, 16 Nov 93 00:13:26 EST Contents: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson) Re: New electronic magazine with Linus Torvalds (Tor Arntsen) Re: I volunteer to cut down mispostings. (Peter Bouillon) CET Basic and RM Cobol (Dennis Director) GCC as Xcompiler?? (Kevin G. Fisher) Re: Help me choose a CD-ROM drive (M.D. Pyne) Re: GCC as Xcompiler?? (Michael Griffith) Problems with XFree86 2.0 XF86_S3 (Martin Junius) GV1.5 problem fixed Re: New electronic magazine with Linus Torvalds interview (Michael R Linksvayer) Re: Linux performance?? (Simon Chatterjee) how fast is linux? (Michael H Price II) Linux, Austin, and IN2000.... (Jim choate) Any X-based CD audio player? (Chan Lap Wah Samson) [Q] is this a bug in ld.so or gcc? (John Richardson) Re: CIS B+ protocol (dan@oea.hobby.nl) PPP (Pedro Miguel M R Marques) New newsgroup comp.os.linux.misc (Automatic-Newsgroup-Creation-Program@romana.Tymnet.COM) Which is better? minicom or pcomm (Scott Barker) How do YOU have TERM set up? (Scott Barker) Re: Tcl7.0 / Tk3.3 (Guru Aleph_Null) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson) Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 11:03:00 GMT Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of which groups you should read and post to. Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux hierarchy. See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly. If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or from another Linux FTP site. It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce. In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!' The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place. Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not comp.os.linux.misc. Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions. Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in /pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq. Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration - should you post to comp.os.linux.misc. Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me ! -- Ian Jackson (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk) 2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England; phone: +44 223 64238 ------------------------------ From: tor@spacetec.no (Tor Arntsen) Subject: Re: New electronic magazine with Linus Torvalds Date: 15 Nov 1993 12:01:22 GMT Reply-To: tor@spacetec.no I would suggest to use colors or whatever that prints a bit nicer on a black-and-white printer (as most people still have, I guess). It's still much nicer to actually print the magazine and read it in the old-fashioned way, even for a magazine distributed electronically.. Just my 0.02 , Tor --- | Tor Arntsen - Spacetec A.S, N-9005 Tromso, Norway +47-83-84500 | | LA1RHA - tor@spacetec.no (1) - tor@tss.no (2) - tarntsen@bbb.no (3)| | Linux user | | #include | ------------------------------ From: bouillon@cecsun11.cs.uni-sb.de (Peter Bouillon) Subject: Re: I volunteer to cut down mispostings. Date: 15 Nov 1993 12:00:22 GMT Reply-To: bouillon@cs.uni-sb.de Drinks All The Water wrote: > >So, since I read every posting in the Linux groups every day > >anyway, I volunteer to be the official Giver of Clues. jem@sunSITE.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid) writes: > A kind offer, but I don't think this sort of [un]official net fascism is > necessary. We have a info-sheet, a meta-faq, and a daily intimidation > posting. IMHO, Nothing more is neccessary. Ian's daily postings do a very good job. They inform everyone who takes the trouble to scan the postings of ONE DAY about how to use c.o.l.* appropriately. There is, however, a very good reason for NOT taking this trouble: that c.o.l.* is severely overloaded (in particular, .help). Some newbies are intimidated by the sheer mass of the postings and do the wrong thing through no fault of their own. Now `Drinks' targets specially this audience. Are you sure you really READ the message which he proposes to send around? This isn't particularly what my dictionary would call `intimidation'. It is, on the contrary, sympathetic and painstakingly polite. And this is just the fine part of it: Ian's postings in combination with `Water's' mails will filter out EVERY misbehaviour by mistake. ANY remaining repeated mis-posting will be sure to be due to bad will, dumbness, or thick skin. So when the signal to noise ratio creeps up, the evil bad guys are right known to everyone. All trouncing will concentrate on just those baddies. It's worth making sure that no innocents get hit by the mob, even if you hate mobbing yourself. What's `fascistic' about such an aim?! Peter G. Bouillon | Universit"at des Saarlandes | 66041 Saarbr"ucken -- The flames go ever on and on down from the post where they began. Now fully up the pole they've gone, and we must stomp them, if we can, pursuing them with weary feet, until they die or fade away, whilst others come to supersede. When will this end?! We cannot say. ------------------------------ From: dennis@cauchy.math.nwu.edu (Dennis Director) Subject: CET Basic and RM Cobol Date: 15 Nov 1993 15:36:01 GMT I am tempting a Xenix friend to join the family of happy Linux users. Over the years, he has become quite dependent on (written applications in) CET Basic and Ryan/McFarland Cobol 74 and 85 (yich!). Does anyone know if there are any chances for him to get one or both of these (or good substitutes) to run under Linux ?? As usuall, your expert responces are greatly appreciated. dennis@math.nwu.edu ------------------------------ From: kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca (Kevin G. Fisher) Subject: GCC as Xcompiler?? Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 14:41:29 GMT Hi all: I am interested in doing cross development with the 68k line of systems under Linux, and I've heard/read in the man pages that gcc will cross compile 68k to 68k assembly. I'm running SLS (a bit dated, 1.02 I think). However, when I try to compile any C source with the -m68000 option, it tells me I'm using an invalid option. The people on comp.sys.m68k tell me it should work....so, my question: is the 68000 stuff disabled for some reason in the SLS dist, or is it just not possible to do the cross compilation on the Linux x86 system? This is more or less linux related, sorry if it's too GNU specific... Thanks in advance.. -- Kevin Fisher ><> | "Love....Well, never mind..." kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca | - Matthew Sweet ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.cd-rom,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc From: mdp1002@cl.cam.ac.uk (M.D. Pyne) Subject: Re: Help me choose a CD-ROM drive Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 15:31:57 GMT In article , shneor@netcom.com (Shneor Sherman) writes: |> >13 Megabytes per second from a CD-ROM drive??? How could there be a |> >need? The cutting-edge these days is 600K bytes per second; I don't |> >see how we're going to get twenty times faster (spin a CD-ROM that |> >fast and it'll come apart, won't it?). |> >-- |> >Richard Krehbiel richk@netcom.com |> >Picture a clever one-liner here... |> |> I've clipped the article, and it's on my desk at work. When I get back next weekI'll post more details. As for the need, how fast would you like to see |> full-screen movies, for example? |> - Shneor Sherman |> Under MPEG-I encoding a full-screen video is reduced to a bandwidth of a standard (that is approx 300Kbit/s) CD bitrates. Odly enough any higher and you wouldn't get a particually long play-time, even with this compression you can only get approx 70mins per CD. Matt. ------------------------------ From: grif@ucrengr.ucr.edu (Michael Griffith) Subject: Re: GCC as Xcompiler?? Date: 15 Nov 1993 16:08:30 GMT In article , Kevin G. Fisher wrote: > >Hi all: > >I am interested in doing cross development with the 68k line of systems >under Linux, and I've heard/read in the man pages that gcc will cross >compile 68k to 68k assembly. I'm running SLS (a bit dated, 1.02 I think). >However, when I try to compile any C source with the -m68000 option, it >tells me I'm using an invalid option. The people on comp.sys.m68k tell me >it should work....so, my question: is the 68000 stuff disabled for some >reason in the SLS dist, or is it just not possible to do the cross >compilation on the Linux x86 system? > >This is more or less linux related, sorry if it's too GNU specific... > >Thanks in advance.. GCC makes a fine cross-compiler, but you will have to compile it yourself. The binary distributions (obviously) don't have all possible cross-compilations options enabled. -- Michael A. Griffith grif@cs.ucr.edu -- Michael A. Griffith grif@cs.ucr.edu ------------------------------ From: mj@dfv.rwth-aachen.de (Martin Junius) Subject: Problems with XFree86 2.0 XF86_S3 Date: 15 Nov 1993 17:00:46 +0100 (using XFree86 2.0 from the Slackware 1.1.0 release) I'm using a miroCRYSTAL 8S board, the ISA bus variant with the P86S801 chip set. Everythings works fine so far, except for the following problems: * The XF86_S3 server thinks that this is a local bus card with a 805 chip set. * The X server doesn't return properly to text mode: - every second time the screen's entirely blank, just the cursor could be seen. - every other time the screen font is somewhat mangled, looks like every second line is missing. Solutions, anyone? Please respond by email, 'cause I don't read this group regularly. Martin -- _____ _____ | |___ | Martin Junius FIDO: 2:242/6.1 | | | | | | Communication Networks Internet: mj@dfv.rwth-aachen.de |_|_|_|@work| Aachen U of Technology Phone: ++49-241-8790220 (voice) ------------------------------ From: mlinksva@netcom.com (Michael R Linksvayer) Subject: GV1.5 problem fixed Re: New electronic magazine with Linus Torvalds interview Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 16:37:54 GMT Someone else pointed out that there was an extra %%EOF at the end of the fourth page. It has been removed, so anyone who had problems can get another copy or remove it themselves (line 1152 of the file). -- Mike Linksvayer mlinksva@netcom.com +1 415 431 0775 voice Publisher, Meta +1 415 327 7629 fax ------------------------------ From: ed94002@black.ox.ac.uk (Simon Chatterjee) Subject: Re: Linux performance?? Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 17:06:07 GMT In article <2bs2dl$728@jacobs.jacobs.mn.org> root@jacobs.mn.org (Mike Horwath) writes: >Andrew R. Tefft (teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com) wrote: >: I just added a second drive to my system yesterday and it seemed >: much slower than with one drive, which I didn't expect at all. >: [...] > >Are you using IDE drives? (I am assuming you do) > >Problem with IDE setups is that it is that the drives hold onto the bus when >doing reading and writing. When this happens, the drives have to share back >and forth, causing a performance hit. So if I have one IDE drive for DOS and another for linux, which drive should the swap partition be one for best performance? Simon -- simon.chatterjee@seh.ox.ac.uk | I killed a philosopher once by saying `I am 5 Union Street, Oxford, UK | lying' to him. The law came down on me hard: 0865-723096 | the judge gave me a self-referential sentence. ------------------------------ From: mhp1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Michael H Price II) Subject: how fast is linux? Date: 15 Nov 1993 17:32:33 GMT I am thinking about upgrading to linux but a friend told me it ran slow. How fast/slow would it run on a 386DX-40 with 8megs RAM? Mike. ------------------------------ From: ravage@wixer.bga.com (Jim choate) Subject: Linux, Austin, and IN2000.... Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 19:40:00 GMT Hi everyone, I am building a linux based public dial-in (for a cost off course) here in central Texas. I am using a 386/40 w/ a IN-2000 SCSI ctllr. I am having problems when any software tries to access the hardrive, even fdisk. It hangs and eventually gives a scsi host time out error. The access lite on the hd works fine. Have tried syn and async, irq 14 and 15 w/o help. We are using the special a1 boot disk specific to the IN-2000. Any idea why this is happening. Has worked fine w/ dos and os/2 for over a year. Thanks for your suggestions and help ahead of time.... Anyone out there using RIP or NAPLPS on linux? I help develop a bbs package for dos we are going to try to port over to linux. If we can get it to work inside the dosemul util then it will be available a lot sooner..... ------------------------------ From: h9090166@hkuxb.hku.hk (Chan Lap Wah Samson) Subject: Any X-based CD audio player? Reply-To: h9090166@hkuxb.hku.hk Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 13:05:25 GMT Hi, The subject says it all, any pointer? Thanks. Best Regards, Sams ------------------------------ From: jrichard@cs.uml.edu (John Richardson) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: [Q] is this a bug in ld.so or gcc? Date: 15 Nov 1993 17:38:43 GMT I just upgraded my linux to patchlevel p. I have libc4.4.4, gcc 2.4.5, ld.so 1.3, and XF86 2.0. When I compile this program with -static or -g I get: closing even though close() shouldn't be called! When I compile it wothout static, it works fine. It will also with g++. Can someone give me a pointer as to what went wrong? Do I need to get a newer gcc? (the assembly looked ok) Do I need to look at ld.so? -- John Richardson jrichard@cs.uml.edu ==================================================================== /* btest.c * compile with gcc btest.c -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lX11 -lXext */ #include #include #include #include #include void close() { printf("closing\n"); exit(0); } int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { Widget toplevel, button; XtAppContext app; toplevel = XtVaAppInitialize(&app, "btest", NULL, 0, &argc, argv, NULL, NULL); button = XtVaCreateManagedWidget("button", commandWidgetClass, toplevel, XtNlabel, "btest", XtNwidth, 200, XtNheight, 200, NULL); /* XtAddCallback(button, XtNcallback, (XtPointer)close, NULL); */ XtRealizeWidget(toplevel); XtAppMainLoop(app); } ------------------------------ From: dan@oea.hobby.nl Subject: Re: CIS B+ protocol Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 23:31:40 GMT Enrico Scotoni (scoti@p46.keru.chg.imp.com) wrote: : Hi all there, : Does anybody know of a CIS B+ protocol implementation for Linux/unix ? : It should be a seperate program (external protocol) in a similar fashion as : rz/sz so that I could implement it into seyon. There is a CIS B+ implementation included in the xcomm program. I compiled and used it under COHERENT some time ago, but I don't know its current status. : thanx in advance : Enrico : --- -- |< Dan Naas dan@oea.hobby.nl >| +---------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: oproque@scosysv (Pedro Miguel M R Marques) Subject: PPP Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 14:58:57 GMT I've looked in the faq's and howtos and I couldn't find nothing on PPP. please send me a pointer to some faq on the subject, if there is one. my main questions are: 1- is there ppp for linux ?? 2- what soft packages are there avaliable ? 3- Do I need any other documentation ? THanks ------------------------------ From: Automatic-Newsgroup-Creation-Program@romana.Tymnet.COM Subject: New newsgroup comp.os.linux.misc Date: 12 Nov 93 23:29:53 GMT tymix.Tymnet.COM!uunet!tale requested that a new newsgroup called 'comp.os.linux.misc' be created. It was approved by tale@uunet.uu.net tymix.Tymnet.COM!uunet!tale says: comp.os.linux.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote for creation by 1660:155 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 5 Aug 1993. It supersedes comp.os.linux, which is being removed today. For your newsgroups file: comp.os.linux.misc Linux-specific topics not covered by other groups. The charter, culled from the call for votes: Discussion of Linux-specific topics which do not fit in the other comp.os.linux.* newsgroups. ------------------------------ From: barker@enel.ucalgary.ca (Scott Barker) Subject: Which is better? minicom or pcomm Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 20:33:59 GMT I was just wondering what other people have to say. I've used both pcomm and minicom, and I think minicom looks and behaves better. It almost seems to be based on pcomm, as well. Any other opinions? E-mail me if you want to keep the traffic down. -- Scott Barker barker@enel.ucalgary.ca "I don't know about all this sex on television, I keep falling off." - Monty Python ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux From: barker@enel.ucalgary.ca (Scott Barker) Subject: How do YOU have TERM set up? Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 20:39:21 GMT Well, I finally got Linux working on my machine. Now, I'd like to set up term. I played around with it a bit, and was reading the man pages, and realized how easy it seems to be for people to clobber your personal machine if you allow logins from the world at large. So, I was wondering how other people have set term up to work for themselves. If I get enough information, I'll see if I can set up a TERM-HOWTO to go with the other HOWTO's. To that end, I would ask if people tell me not only how they set term up on their machines, but why they chose their setup, and what benefits/problems they've noticed with it. Also, I'd like to know if anybody has managed to set up term so that it is virtually transparent on their machine (ie - you can ftp, telnet, e-mail, read news, etc through the term link). I am hoping to be able to put together a package, or set of documentation, to make this procedure easier for everyone. If such a package already exists, I have not found it yet. And I apologize if it does exist, and I'm wasting everyone's time. Anyway, let's go to it! E-mail responses to the address in my .Sig. -- Scott Barker barker@enel.ucalgary.ca "I don't know about all this sex on television, I keep falling off." - Monty Python ------------------------------ From: spj@ukelele.gcr.com (Guru Aleph_Null) Subject: Re: Tcl7.0 / Tk3.3 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 20:25:39 GMT In article <2b5g0s$6v8@info.epfl.ch> DUVAL@ELPP1.EPFL.CH writes: > >Hello World, > I am also looking at the tcl, tk business, and would like to know if >the sharable libraries for these versions are going to become available. I >got the version posted to Sunsite etc, but could never manage to create >the sharable libraries as suggested possible in the Makefile. > I think this would be a godsend platform for tcl/tk learning and >development, and would really LOVE to see a fully functioning version on >my Linux box. For the sheer hell of it, anyone making tclX and xf go in >this environment would get a loud cheer from me. > If tcl/tk is going to become popular, Linux is really going to be >important. I think a little FAQ on how to get the whole suite of things up >would be useful, but I dont't feel I have the expertise to so this myself. >Hey, I am trying to learn tcl/tk/tclX and xf on Linux, and have run into so >many brick walls on the compile side that I have lost steam. > >any comments via news or email welcome.. Linux applications should adopt Tcl/Tk as their scripting language--ala ARexx on the Amiga--so Linux could be made more user friendly. Now, I would finish my clone of this fax program if I could find better documentation on Tcl/Tk. This might be interpreted as an SLS flame, because Tcl/Tk with SLS came with virutally nothing to learn how to use it. (I have picked up the Usenix papers on Tcl/Tk, they supply the concepts, but no reference quality information.) >Basil P. DUVAL >EPFL/CRPP >1015 Bassenges >Lausanne, Switzerland >Email: DUVAL@ELPP1.EPFL.CH -- ======================================== m i s s i n g Simon "Guru Aleph-Null" Janes | d a r k | m a t t e r The Biochemical Madman of Borneo | i s i n t h i s . s i g ! ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************