From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 06:13:29 EST Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #287 Linux-Misc Digest #287, Volume #1 Wed, 10 Nov 93 06:13:29 EST Contents: GNU Fax ? (Michael Mikulandra) Re: Xfree86 2.00 Great! (Steve Tinney) Vi editor (Andy) Re: Installing co-processor under Linux (Jay Lawrence) lpd printing one job only (Re: SLS flaming !) (Andrej Bauer) Error with ext2fs? (Sanjay S Vakil) Re: XMosaic for Linux? 0.99pl13 Kernel Compilation (Joseph W. Vigneau) What is the Hurd????? (Barzilai Spinak) Re: SLS flaming ! (Olaf Titz) Re: Vi editor (David Becker) Re: linux - alpha port? (Steve Owens) Re: linux - alpha port? (Steve DuChene) Re: Austin Laptops (power management under linux correction) (Jack Prior) SB16, IRQ5, and Linux ##SB16## (Golden Richard) Multiverse for Linux? (Kuz I) Re: Installing co-processor under Linux (Patrick J. Volkerding) Re: Bogomip (Robert Davis) Re: SVGA Text Modes and Recompiling Kernal (John Jamulla) IBM SLC/66 on Linux? (wjm) DROP (Ivan Fernandez) Re: What is the Hurd????? (Derek Upham) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: michael@miku.ka.sub.org (Michael Mikulandra) Subject: GNU Fax ? Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 18:21:56 GMT Hello, is anybody using GNU FAX with Linux ? Where can i get the files ? I have fax-3.2.1.tgz, but i can't compile these files with linux gcc ! bye, michael ------------------------------ From: sjt@enlil.museum.upenn.edu (Steve Tinney) Subject: Re: Xfree86 2.00 Great! Date: 9 Nov 93 14:33:13 GMT I agree with the original poster's header: I just installed the Slackware X stuff last night and the S3 driver is excellent (XS3 was very good, but this is even better). Kudos to all! Now if only I could get XF86_Mono to run the hga on display 1...slackware's binary seems to lack hga support. Steve ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc From: niksch@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Andy) Subject: Vi editor Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 15:12:31 GMT Okay, I know emacs can do this, I don't want to hear things like: Well you should really use emacs instead of vi.... But how can I 'mark' text while in edit mode of vi? I.e. I want to mark the middle 50 lines of a file, and then 'clip' everything around this. Does anyone know the command that will 'mark' a spot in the file? Thanks, Andy Niksch ------------------------------ From: jjlawren@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Jay Lawrence) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: Installing co-processor under Linux Date: 9 Nov 93 15:10:57 GMT In article <16C817DCFS85.U001295@hnykun11.urc.kun.nl>, R. Schalk wrote: >In article >andrzej@bnr.ca (Andrzej Bieszczad) writes: > >> >> >>I run Linux/XFree on 386/25. I have tried to install a 387/20 that is >>fine under DOS. After installing the chip Linux would not boot at all. > >What brand do you use? There are *indications* that non_Intel copro's, that >work fine under MSDOG, have problems under Linux. It's probably a timing >problem. As far as I know there aren't any solutions (yet) to this problem. > >Ronald I have a 386/25 with a Cyrix FastMath 387/33. This chip works great for me. I suspect that some problems may arise with this guy running his chip faster than spec.... J ------------------------------ From: Andrej.Bauer@ijs.si (Andrej Bauer) Subject: lpd printing one job only (Re: SLS flaming !) Date: 9 Nov 93 15:19:46 +0100 >> When I put something in print queue with 'lpr', I have to kill lpd and >> run it again. Then it prints the file. I have to do so for every file. > > Broken permissions. kill lpd; LPFILES = "lpr lpc lpq lprm"; cd > /usr/bin; chown root.lp $LPFILES; chmod 2755 $LPFILES; cd /usr/spool/; > rm -rf lp*; mkdir lpr lp1; chown root.lp lpr lp1; chmod 770 lpr lp1; > lpd. Should run then, if not mail(!) me. What you suggest did not help. I had to get newer binaries from Slackware (diska2, package lpr.tgz). They came out owned by deamon/deamon. Then I corrected file permissions and owners as described above and things started to work, finally. Andrej =================== Andrej.Bauer@IJS.si ------------------------------ From: sanj@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Sanjay S Vakil) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Error with ext2fs? Date: 10 Nov 1993 02:29:09 GMT I'm running SLS 1.03, and ext2fs 0.3 (which came with the SLS installation). Recently I've been getting: ext2_new_block: Unable to locate free bit in block group 16. message popping up with great regularity even though there is lots of room (between 8 and 14 meg) left on the hard drive partition. Sometimes a similar message will pop up when I'm trying to run applications and crash them (badly). Other times it will prevent me from pulling over files with ftp _until_ I erase something. However, erasing something seems to be a stopgap, for the message reappears later for no apparent reason. Has anyone else had a similar problem or know if ext2fs 0.4 will fix it? please cc: responses to sanj@mit.edu. thanks, sanj ------------------------------ From: engels@darkstar () Subject: Re: XMosaic for Linux? Date: 9 Nov 1993 16:01:04 GMT David Rodger (drodger@access.digex.net) wrote: : Hi - : Wondering if anyone's ported XMosaic to linux yet, and if so, where? Thanks! : - Dave Rodger You can find at sunsite.unc.edu in /pub/Linux/system/Network/info-systems engelsg@uni-duesseldorf.de ------------------------------ From: joev@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Joseph W. Vigneau) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development Subject: 0.99pl13 Kernel Compilation Date: 9 Nov 1993 17:58:23 GMT Ok. I ftp'd 0.99pl13 from tsx, read the READMEs, verified that I have gcc 2.4.5 (or whatever they wanted), and tryping to 'make dep' I get: touch tools/version.h for i in init/*.c;do echo -n "init/";gcc -D__KERNEL__ -E -M $i;done > .depend~ for i in tools/*.c;do echo -n "tools/";gcc -D__KERNEL__ -E -M $i;done >> .depend~ for i in kernel mm fs net ipc ibcs lib; do (cd $i && make dep) || exit; done gcc -D__KERNEL__ -E -M *.c > .depend for i in chr_drv blk_drv FPU-emu; do (cd $i && make dep) || exit; done gcc -D__KERNEL__ -E -M *.c > .depend for i in sound; do (cd $i && make dep) || exit; done gcc -D__KERNEL__ -E -M *.c > .depend In file included from loop.c:27: blk.h:193: #error "unknown blk device" In file included from sbpcd.c:175: blk.h:193: #error "unknown blk device" make[2]: *** [dep] Error 1 make[1]: *** [dep] Error 1 make: *** [depend] Error 1 The standard question applies: What do I do now? I configured it properly (I think)... -- joev@wpi.edu -- Joseph W. Vigneau Worcester Polytechnic Institute -- Computer Science Today's random number is 927806236. ------------------------------ From: barspi@wam.umd.edu (Barzilai Spinak) Subject: What is the Hurd????? Date: 9 Nov 1993 16:26:55 GMT I've seen a lot of discussion about "the Hurd". "The Hurd is great" "The Hurd is crap" "Hurdhead" "Your Granma too!" Now, I ask: Would someone tell me what the heck the Hurd is? +---------------------------------+ | Barzilai Spinak | | ..... barspi@wam.umd.edu | | (-O-O-) barspi@eng.umd.edu | +nnn--U--nnn----------------------+ ------------------------------ From: uknf@rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Olaf Titz) Subject: Re: SLS flaming ! Date: 9 Nov 1993 19:06:33 GMT In article <2bn1gu$dv@victrola.wa.com>, Vince Skahan wrote: > >error mismatching the name for ttyS3. > wrong... the 'standard' used to be lower-case 's' way-back-when. Then it is the result of the device node not having been there where it should have been, and some program writing to ttys3. No matter, the fact remains that this plain file is (a) an error and (b) included in SLS. Olaf -- olaf titz o olaf@bigred.ka.sub.org praetorius@irc comp.sc.student _>\ _ s_titz@ira.uka.de LINUX - the choice karlsruhe germany (_)<(_) uknf@dkauni2.bitnet of a GNU generation what good is a photograph of you? everytime i look at it it makes me feel blue ------------------------------ From: beckerd@cs.unc.edu (David Becker) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: Vi editor Date: 9 Nov 1993 11:50:17 -0500 In article niksch@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Andy) writes: > > Does anyone know the command that will 'mark' a spot >in the file? m marks a line with the mark letter ' will go to that position, and tick is your previous line so '' (tick tick) will bounce you between two spots in a file. This can be used to edit as usual: d'a will delete from the current line to line marked a c'' will change text to your previous position -- "Dogh!" - Homer David Becker beckerd@cs.unc.edu ------------------------------ From: sjo@cci.com (Steve Owens) Subject: Re: linux - alpha port? Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 17:14:52 GMT In article <1993Nov4.204547.19144@draper.com> ssy1538@draper.com (Steven Yampolsky) writes: > > CARSTEN@AWORLD.aworld.de wrote: > : hello, > > : i read in some mails that linux is running fine on the pentium. > : but why using the pentium with the 'old' intel - dos - compatibility? > : the pentium is only something like 2 times faster then a 486. > : why not using the ALPHA chip? > : have anybody heard of an ALPHA port of LinuX? or somebody working on an > : ALPHA-port? > > As far as I know, the very first purpose of creating Linux in the first place > was to have a UNIX like operating system for people who cannot afford expensive > machines like DEC alpha's. Personally, a 486-66 is all I can afford for a > while. Linux is the OS for people who can't affor expencive workstations. > > If you can afford an alpha workstation, you can afford ULTRIX that comes with > it. > > > > Steven As other have already pointed out, the prices will probably drop. Give it about a year. Of course my reasons for seeing Linux ported to the Alpha a a bit different. If the US gov't allows DEC to make the faster Alpha chip available domestically, you could have a computer that the US gov't rates as a supercomputer, with a couple of gig of HD and 128M of memory or so, running Linux and sitting on your desktop. IMO, there is something perversely "correct" about this... :-) Steve -- -- ======================================================================== "The more things change Steven J Owens @ CCI The more they suck!" (716) 482-5000 Ext 2867 - Bevis & Butthead sjo@sunsrvr1.cci.com ------------------------------ From: s0017210@cc.ysu.edu (Steve DuChene) Subject: Re: linux - alpha port? Date: 9 Nov 1993 19:43:37 GMT This porting of linux to an ALPHA box sounds interesting but I'm afraid I haven't been following the development articles on the ALPHA chips. I'm now in the market to buy a high end PC to specif- ically run Linux on. What would be the advantage of an ALPHA platform over a 486DX2-66 or a pentium system (i.e. would video performance and other issues be comparable or better) and at what kind of cost? -- Steve DuChene s0017210@cc.ysu.edu or sduchene@cis.ysu.edu Computer Science Youngstown State University A pre-determined amount of chaos is a natural occurance. ------------------------------ From: jjprior@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jack Prior) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.laptops Subject: Re: Austin Laptops (power management under linux correction) Date: 10 Nov 1993 05:58:14 GMT In article <2b9tdu$mlo@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I wrote ... >POWER >All of the power saving features seem to work in Linux as well as DOS. I seemed to have been wrong on this point. When running under linux the screen does blank but that is due to linux, not the unit. The hard disk contunues to run (although it seems to get quieter) and the unit gets very *hot*. It gives the term "hot-key" a whole new meaning. Under DOS it stays much cooler. Otherwise, experience with the machine is good. I like the keyboard feel but the trackball isn't that great to use in graphic applications. It is too insensitive and takes alot of spinning to move a small distance. Perhaps this can be adjusted in CMOS, I'll have to check. Otherwise I'm considering just setting it up to use an external mouse when I have the space. -- ========================================================================== Jack Prior | Rm. 16-011, 77 Mass. Ave. | Phn 617-253-0469 jjprior@athena.mit.edu | MIT Dept. of Chemical Eng. | Fax 617-253-2400 BioProcess Control Lab | Cambridge, MA 02139 USA | Cserve 73617,2663 ------------------------------ From: grichard@cis.ohio-state.edu (Golden Richard) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard Subject: SB16, IRQ5, and Linux ##SB16## Date: 9 Nov 1993 15:05:54 -0500 I use OS/2, DOS, and Linux, all on the same machine. I have a SB16 set up at IRQ 5 (primarily for OS/2's benefit) and under both DOS and OS/2, everything's spiffy. I'm trying to get Linux to accept the IRQ5 setting for the SB16. I've run make config, indicated that I wanted neither SCSI nor bus mouse support (both of which can use IRQ5), that I did want sound support and that I wanted IRQ5 to be used for the Sound Blaster 16, etc. No matter what I do, when I boot the new kernel I get "IRQ5 already in use" and "/dev/dsp busy" messages. Changing the kernel config back to IRQ7 gives me truncated sound (which is expected, given that IRQ mismatches commonly resulted in this). OS/2 is the master at finding IRQ mismatches. I'm fairly certain that nothing in my machine (other than the SB16) is configured to use IRQ 5. I can't change the SB16 setup to use IRQ7 just to satisfy Linux, because OS/2 wants LPT1 to be IRQ7. Any ideas? If you send email I'm summarize to save a bit of bandwidth. Thanks, --Golden -- Golden Richard III OSU Dept. of Computer and Information Sciences grichard@cis.ohio-state.edu (614) 292-0056 ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: ikuz@cs.vu.nl (Kuz I) Subject: Multiverse for Linux? Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 20:09:36 GMT Has anyone ported multiverse to Linux yet? If so where can one find it? Ihor (ikuz@cs.vu.nl) ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: Installing co-processor under Linux From: volkerdi@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu (Patrick J. Volkerding) Date: 9 Nov 93 14:13:45 -0600 In article <16C817DCFS85.U001295@HNYKUN11.URC.KUN.NL> U001295@HNYKUN11.URC.KUN.NL (R. Schalk) writes: >In article >andrzej@bnr.ca (Andrzej Bieszczad) writes: >> >>I run Linux/XFree on 386/25. I have tried to install a 387/20 that is >>fine under DOS. After installing the chip Linux would not boot at all. > >What brand do you use? There are *indications* that non_Intel copro's, that >work fine under MSDOG, have problems under Linux. It's probably a timing >problem. As far as I know there aren't any solutions (yet) to this problem. I think the real problem is that the FPU is not rated for the clock speed it's being run at. I have an IIT 3C87-40DX and run it under Linux with XFree86 2.0 with no problems. Pat ------------------------------ From: davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) Subject: Re: Bogomip Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 20:38:51 GMT In article , Peter Herweijer wrote: >misch@eurom.fsag.rhein-main.de (Michaela Merz) writes: > > >Just for your information: we're running linux pl 13p on a > >INTEL Professional Workstation GX (486/33) and booting > >reports > 30 BogoMips > >Most peculiar, since on 486's BogoMips=Clock/2 give or take a few %. >Are you sure you don't have a DX2/66? > I also have an iNTEL P/GX and it definitely has a DX2/66 (although they offer it with a DX/33, I believe). I'm getting just over 33. Rob -- | Robert Davis davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu | "Look up, Hannah." NeXT Mail accepted -- ------------------------------ From: jamulla@iao.ford.com (John Jamulla) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin Subject: Re: SVGA Text Modes and Recompiling Kernal Date: 9 Nov 1993 21:09:35 GMT Reply-To: jamulla@cadcam.pms.ford.com Hello, I've just got linux SLS release up and running on my PC, but I was messing with recompiling the kernel. I had to modify the /usr/src/linux/Makefile to recursively use "-I/root/usr/include" when making dependencies and using the CPP macro. The problem I have now is I read some postings, looks like I need to do: cd /usr/src/linux make config make dep make clean make zlilo (instead of zImage?) Are these the right steps? I haven't read all that much on linux yet, but what else do I need to do to get the usual stuff set up? I know about mail etc. what else is there? Last question. How do I get X-Windows to run, I try to start openwin, or xinit etc. Gives me some errors about display devices. Where's the config files etc? I hoped someone could get me on the right track first. Thanks, _________________________________________________________________________ John D. Jamulla Westland, MI 48185 USA jamulla@cadcam.pms.ford.com PROFS:JJAMULLA PRIMEMAIL:JAMULLA -ON D1D1 Work:(313)337-9951 Ford Motor Co.- Car Prod. Devel., P&MS, CAD/CAM Dept., Dearborn, MI 48121 ------------------------------ From: weijin@panix.com (wjm) Subject: IBM SLC/66 on Linux? Date: 9 Nov 1993 16:36:12 -0500 I am thinking to upgrade my computer to IBM SLC2/66. Is there anyone running Linux on an IBM SLC2/66? How is the performance? any con,pro and ` comments ? ------------------------------ Subject: DROP From: ivan.fernandez@synapse.org (Ivan Fernandez) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 06:48:00 -0500 ------------------------------ From: upham@cs.ubc.ca (Derek Upham) Subject: Re: What is the Hurd????? Date: 9 Nov 1993 15:47:34 -0800 barspi@wam.umd.edu (Barzilai Spinak) writes: > I've seen a lot of discussion about "the Hurd". >"The Hurd is great" "The Hurd is crap" "Hurdhead" "Your Granma too!" > Now, I ask: Would someone tell me what the heck the Hurd is? The Hurd is the operating system under development by the Free Soft- ware Foundation; its primary author is Michael Bushnell. The Hurd design assumes that some sort of ``micro''-kernel such as CMU's Mach 3.0 will provide all the low-level services; the Hurd's task will be to add a layer of functionality, providing POSIX-compliant interfaces (such as signals and terminal drivers). The big point of contention is between future Hurd users and current Linux users. Various issues being debated back and forth are: * Availability: Linux is here, now. Hurd is still mostly vaporware. You can get it if (a) you already have a machine with Mach on which to do work, and (b) you are willing to do work. This narrows the field considerably. * Portability: Linux is welded to the 386 architecture. Hurd will run on any hardware that has a Mach 3.0 port, but that's just the 386 and (ha!) DEC pmax right now (DEC Alpha and SPARC ports are rumored). The Mach 3.0 base should also allow easy porting to multi-processor architectures in the future. * Features: Mr. Bushnell's paper on the Hurd describes some abso- lutely mouth-watering services that the Hurd will make available; Ange-FTP's features provided in a real filesystem, terminal drivers with an installable Readline interface, and the like. So Linux programmers have been saying ``We can do these in Linux, too!''. This is true, but it's more thanks to Linux's every-user-is-an- operator nature than anything else. (The paper talks a little about these issues.) * Size: GNU software rarely qualifies as ``small'', and the picture painted of the Hurd (possibly incorrect) is that it's something along the lines of GNU Emacs. If this is true, you'll need a lot of RAM on your machine to run it. With luck, 16Mb RAM chips will be cheap by then... Me, I'm sticking with Linux until I have a home machine that can run the Hurd with a MTBF of a couple of days. Then I'm switching. Derek -- Derek Lynn Upham University of British Columbia upham@cs.ubc.ca Computer Science Department ============================================================================= "Ha! 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