From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 11:13:49 EST Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #285 Linux-Misc Digest #285, Volume #1 Tue, 9 Nov 93 11:13:49 EST Contents: Installing co-processor under Linux (Andrzej Bieszczad) Re: I volunteer to cut down mispostings. (Jonathan Magid) Re: linux - alpha port? (Craig I. Hagan) Linux Distributions (Nascent Technology) Mess on the screen after exit from Xfree86 2.0 (Dragon Fly) Re: xfree2.0 <-> xfree1.3 (Craig I. Hagan) Mess on the screen after exit from Xfree86 2.0 (Dragon Fly) Re: [Q] DATAGRAM FRAGMENTATION errors on SLIP (James Gwertzman) Re: linux - alpha port? (Ian McCloghrie) Re: Xfree86 2.00 Great! (Ian McCloghrie) Can Linux work on a VESA local bus? (Jiansheng Zhao) Re: Hurd status and call for volunteers (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Re: SLS flaming ! (Vince Skahan) Re: Installing co-processor under Linux (R. Schalk) Linux on PCI Machine? (Satoshi ICHIMURA) Re: Bogomip (Michaela Merz) Re: Does Linux need a primary partition? ( Alfred Longyear) Harddisk-partitions fur Linux (Roger Haschke, berlebender vom Praktikum '91 von MI) Re: Can Linux work on a VESA local bus? (Matthias "Kalle" Dalheimer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: andrzej@bnr.ca (Andrzej Bieszczad) Subject: Installing co-processor under Linux Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 20:44:41 GMT I run Linux/XFree on 386/25. I have tried to install a 387/20 that is fine under DOS. After installing the chip Linux would not boot at all. It fails on uncompressing the image. I wonder whether Linux makes an attempt to uncompress the image and uses the co-processor that fails due to the difference in speed or is there something that I need to do to tell Linux that there has been a change in the hardware. The co-processor is automatically detected by the hardware. Thanks in advance for any hints and ideas, Andrzej -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Andrzej Bieszczad >> WELCOME TO THE MACHINE - Pink Floyd << | | Carleton University, Systems & Comp. Eng., Ottawa, Canada K1S 5B6 | | Bell-Northern Research, Ltd., P.O. Box 3511 C, Ottawa, Canada K1Y 4H7 | | Phone: (CU) (613) 788-2600 ext. 5740 (BNR) (613) 763-2259 | | Email: andrzej@sce.carleton.ca andrzej@BNR.CA | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! The opinions expressed here are solely my own and do not reflect the ! ! opinions of Bell Northern Research, Northern Telecom or Carleton ! ! University. ! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: jem@sunSITE.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid) Subject: Re: I volunteer to cut down mispostings. Date: 8 Nov 1993 22:28:29 GMT In article <2bks8m$4i2@klaava.helsinki.fi>, Drinks All The Water wrote: >Do you find it difficult to wade through inappropriate postings in the >Linux groups? Are you losing patience and starting to write >abusive little nastygrams to confused newcomers? > >I sympathize, but I think a more informative approach (as opposed >to machine gun fire (: ) is in order. > >So, since I read every posting in the Linux groups every day >anyway, I volunteer to be the official Giver of Clues. A kind offer, but I don't think this sort of [un]official net fascism is necessary. We have a info-sheet, a meta-faq, and a daily intimidation posting. IMHO, Nothing more is neccessary. jem. ------------------------------ From: hagan@opine (Craig I. Hagan) Subject: Re: linux - alpha port? Date: 8 Nov 1993 23:18:51 GMT Reply-To: hagan@opine.cs.umass.edu CARSTEN@AWORLD.aworld.de wrote: > hello, > i read in some mails that linux is running fine on the pentium. > but why using the pentium with the 'old' intel - dos - compatibility? > the pentium is only something like 2 times faster then a 486. > why not using the ALPHA chip? > have anybody heard of an ALPHA port of LinuX? or somebody working on an > ALPHA-port? [many followups deleted] I personally would love to see an alpha port. I wouldn't expect it (at first) on the high end machines, but on the EISA based alphas (which aren't that much more then pentiums(ii?) btw. DEC fortunately has been pretty liberal in publishing the instruction details for the processor, and, with an EISA bus, it shouldn't be horrible porting to that machine, ditto r4k pc's. I have heard that 386-bsd (rather, one of the n variants thereof) is being ported to the alpha, and has been ported to the decstation, the sun, and many other platforms. It is likely that much of this code could be used to port linux to these other platforms, too. As for OSF/1, v. 1.2 was pretty lame, i would have happily run linux on it for the *reliability* upgrade. 1.3 is much more stable, but, compared to linux, it is still a memory pig, but it has many *many* similarities to linux, rather amusing, really. However, i would love to have kernel sources so i can fix the occasional things that have annoyed me (the xwindows memory sieve for example). -- craig hagan@cs.umass.edu ------------------------------ From: nascent@netcom5.mars (Nascent Technology) Subject: Linux Distributions Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 22:07:30 GMT The Nascent CDROM has over 400 mbytes of source code, binaries, and documentation for the Linux operating system and applications. 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Shawn McLean Nascent Technology 811 Haverhill Drive Sunnyvale CA 94087 USA Tel: (408) 737-9500 Fax: (408) 241-9390 Email: nascent@netcom.com ------------------------------ From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Dragon Fly) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.windows.x.i386unix Subject: Mess on the screen after exit from Xfree86 2.0 Date: 8 Nov 93 20:36:26 -0500 In article <1993Nov8.172631.3521@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: > I have installed XFree86 2.0 on my system > which has Orchid Celsius video card with IIT AGX chip. > Surely, it's not supported in this release so the > only way I managed to run it so far is using > XF86_VGA16 server in generic mode (nonaccelerated, only > 16 colors, and slow like %$%^% %^$#%$# .. :-( > > And even so I have a problem: when I exit windows > they leave my adaptor in a funny state, in which > instead of ASCII chars I see some mess with vertical > strips. Using > echo "^V^O" > doesn't help. > How can I get around this ? > > Serge > > P.S. > BTW, SuperProbe does not recongize this IIT AGX. I wish to add another questions: will Orchid Celsius be supported in future releases of XFree86 ? Does anybody here have such a card besides me ? :-(-) Serge ------------------------------ From: hagan@opine (Craig I. Hagan) Subject: Re: xfree2.0 <-> xfree1.3 Date: 8 Nov 1993 23:20:33 GMT Reply-To: hagan@opine.cs.umass.edu Markus Strasser (strassma@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de) wrote: > Hello > can anybody tell me if I have any advantages when upgrading from xfree1.3 to > xfree2.0 (et4000-card) ? > Regards > Markus Is your system reliable? If not, consider upgrading. My system is completely reliable, so i have no reason that i can think of (besides future compatibility issues) to upgrade. -- craig ------------------------------ From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Dragon Fly) Subject: Mess on the screen after exit from Xfree86 2.0 Date: 8 Nov 93 17:26:31 -0500 I have installed XFree86 2.0 on my system which has Orchid Celsius video card with IIT AGX chip. Surely, it's not supported in this release so the only way I managed to run it so far is using XF86_VGA16 server in generic mode (nonaccelerated, only 16 colors, and slow like %$%^% %^$#%$# .. :-( And even so I have a problem: when I exit windows they leave my adaptor in a funny state, in which instead of ASCII chars I see some mess with vertical strips. Using echo "^V^O" doesn't help. How can I get around this ? Serge P.S. BTW, SuperProbe do not recongize this IIT AGX. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: [Q] DATAGRAM FRAGMENTATION errors on SLIP From: gwertzma@husc7.harvard.edu (James Gwertzman) Date: 9 Nov 93 00:06:45 GMT I have EXACTLY the same problem. I've seen references to this lack of fragmentation support, but can't understand how other people have managed to get their telnet and stuff to work without it. -- James Gwertzman : It's all in my .plan ------------------------------ From: imcclogh@cs.ucsd.edu (Ian McCloghrie) Subject: Re: linux - alpha port? Date: 8 Nov 93 21:21:46 GMT ssy1538@draper.com (Steven Yampolsky) writes: >CARSTEN@AWORLD.aworld.de wrote: >: hello, >: i read in some mails that linux is running fine on the pentium. >: but why using the pentium with the 'old' intel - dos - compatibility? >: the pentium is only something like 2 times faster then a 486. >: why not using the ALPHA chip? >: have anybody heard of an ALPHA port of LinuX? or somebody working on an >: ALPHA-port? >As far as I know, the very first purpose of creating Linux in the first place >was to have a UNIX like operating system for people who cannot afford expensive >machines like DEC alpha's. Personally, a 486-66 is all I can afford for a >while. Linux is the OS for people who can't affor expencive workstations. Exactly. An alpha port of linux is probably a big waste of time. Linux is very 386-specific, makes all sorts of assumptions about what the CPU and memory architecture look like. This is likely a major reason why it runs faster than other PC-unices. Most of these are ports of existing OSes to the 386, which becomes almost an exercise in "how little do we have to change and have it still work". The 386 is a very cisc-y chip, I've heard rumours about major problems with getting Linux to work with the 680x0 series of chips, I hate to think how much worse it would be trying to port to a _risc_ architecture. In any case, since most unix workstations "come with" an OS (ie, you don't buy the hardware and software separately), there aren't very many people out there with a unix workstation looking for a unix to run on it. The only workstation I can think of that has any kind of base of people using one at home is the sun 3. (I say at home because, typically, companies aren't interested in running nifty, free, but buggy OSes on their expensive hardware when there's a workable, stable alternative that they've already bought). >If you can afford an alpha workstation, you can afford ULTRIX that comes with >it. alphas run OSF/1 and VMS, not ultrix :) Minor quibble :) -- /~> Ian McCloghrie | Commandant of Secret Police - Cal Animage Beta. < < /~\ |~\ |~> | | <~ | email: ian@ucsd.edu Net/2, USL 0! \_> \_/ |_/ |~\ |__| _> | Card Carrying Member, UCSD Secret Islandia Club ------------------------------ From: imcclogh@cs.ucsd.edu (Ian McCloghrie) Subject: Re: Xfree86 2.00 Great! Date: 8 Nov 93 21:32:16 GMT Indeed. I took the opportunity to roll new video modes, and came up with a blurry 950x700 or so and a usable 850x620. No major problems, and it definately looks faster on my tseng labs et4000 board. Quite nice! -- /~> Ian McCloghrie | Commandant of Secret Police - Cal Animage Beta. < < /~\ |~\ |~> | | <~ | email: ian@ucsd.edu Net/2, USL 0! \_> \_/ |_/ |~\ |__| _> | Card Carrying Member, UCSD Secret Islandia Club ------------------------------ From: zhao@unixg.ubc.ca (Jiansheng Zhao) Subject: Can Linux work on a VESA local bus? Date: 9 Nov 93 04:36:17 GMT A very simple question: is linux only run on ISA bus? How about VESA local bus? Must be a FAQ. -- zhao@unixg.ubc.ca __o o__ o __ o__ o__ _ \<,_ zz _.>/ _ _.>/ _ _.>/ _ _.>/ _ (_)/ (_) (_) \(_) _ (_) \(_) (_) \(_) (_) \(_) ------------------------------ From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: Hurd status and call for volunteers Date: 9 Nov 93 05:21:42 GMT Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) I hope this whole name subthread is a joke and people will take the Hurd for what it is when it's released and updated a few times, not base their decisions on something as superficial as the name. -- J.B. Nicholson-Owens (*NO* NeXTmail please) ------------------------------ From: vince@victrola.wa.com (Vince Skahan) Subject: Re: SLS flaming ! Date: 8 Nov 1993 19:07:10 -0800 uknf@rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Olaf Titz) writes: >In article <1993Oct26.154212.690@cathy.ijs.si>, >Andrej Bauer wrote: >> Only yesterdat I noticed a file /dev/ttys3 (not /dev/ttyS3!), >> which was 80kb long, had time stamp from April 1993, and was a plain >This is a file from SLS, obviously a result of some program or human >error mismatching the name for ttyS3. wrong... the 'standard' used to be lower-case 's' way-back-when. -- ---------- Vince Skahan --------- vince@victrola.wa.com ------------- Fregosi's law - Phillies relievers don't Fregosi about the Wild Thing - "He doesn't get ulcers - he's a carrier" Mitch Williams' new pickup line - "Are those fries for here or to go?" ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: U001295@HNYKUN11.URC.KUN.NL (R. Schalk) Subject: Re: Installing co-processor under Linux Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 07:56:46 GMT In article andrzej@bnr.ca (Andrzej Bieszczad) writes: > > >I run Linux/XFree on 386/25. I have tried to install a 387/20 that is >fine under DOS. After installing the chip Linux would not boot at all. What brand do you use? There are *indications* that non_Intel copro's, that work fine under MSDOG, have problems under Linux. It's probably a timing problem. As far as I know there aren't any solutions (yet) to this problem. Ronald ******************************************************************** * ing. Ronald Schalk, afdeling CS, sectie COOS * * Universitair Centrum Informatievoorziening (UCI) * * University of Nijmegen (KUN) snailmail: Geert Grooteplein 41 * * e-mail : R.Schalk@uci.kun.nl 6525 GA Nijmegen * * tel: +31 80 617997 fax: +31 80 617979 The Netherlands * ******************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: ichimura@myo.inst.keio.ac.jp (Satoshi ICHIMURA) Subject: Linux on PCI Machine? Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 07:57:55 GMT Hi, all! I heard Gateway announced new PCI machines. Is it possible to run linux on PCI machines (a gateway or others)? Did anyone use or test ones? ============== Ichimura Satoshi KEIO Univ. ichimura@myo.inst.keio.ac.jp ------------------------------ From: misch@eurom.fsag.rhein-main.de (Michaela Merz) Subject: Re: Bogomip Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 08:35:16 GMT On Mon, 8 Nov 1993 02:34:38 GMT, kevin@frobozz.sccsi.com (Kevin Brown) wrote: > In article <1993Nov4.160017.7062@zoo.bt.co.uk> jcs@zoo.bt.co.uk > (John C Sagar) writes: > >BogoMips aren't the whole story. I have put Linux on a 486DX/33 with > >8Mb ram, 8Mb swap on a 120Mb IDE drive with a cacheing disk controller. > >The Bogomip rating is about 16.3. The kernel (pl13) compiles & builds > >to zImage in 15 1/2 mins (having done the config, depend, clean already). Just for your information: we're running linux pl 13p on a INTEL Professional Workstation GX (486/33) and booting reports > 30 BogoMips MM. ---- FREE SOFTWARE ASSOCIATION irc: misch @ #fsag OF GERMANY gopher: eurom.fsag.rhein-main.de Voice: ++49-69-6312083 www: http://callisto.fsag.rhein-main.de ------------------------------ From: longyear@citrus.SAC.CA.US ( Alfred Longyear ) Subject: Re: Does Linux need a primary partition? Date: 1 Nov 93 13:10:16 GMT ignasiak@tji (Todd J. Ignasiak) writes: >I am trying to set up my hard drive in the most efficient way, and I'm going >to re-install Linux. Does the partition Linux boots on need to be a primary >partition or can it boot from a extended partition? I am using OS/2 boot >manager if it matters. Well, yes, even Linux will condesend to working with the "program masher" OS/2. :-) >I know DOS needs to be a primary partition to boot. But, OS/2 can be on an >extended partition. I would like to be able to put Linux on an extended >partition too, is this possible? LILO will work just find with an extended partition. Just remember that the first extended partition is at /dev/hda5 for an IDE drive and /dev/sda5 for a SCSI drive. This applies even if you have only two primary partitions. ------------------------------ From: rh@cs.uni-frankfurt.de (Roger Haschke, berlebender vom Praktikum '91 von MI) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin Subject: Harddisk-partitions fur Linux Date: 9 Nov 93 08:30:31 GMT Reply-To: rh@cs.uni-frankfurt.de Hi folks, I'm reasoning about partition sizes on my harddisk for Linux. The drive's capacity is 200 Megs. I'm planning to have /home and /usr each on a separate partition, plus a partition for / and all its subdirs (except /home and /usr), plus a swap partition. My machine has 4 Meg RAM, so I want to install the complete SLS release, but without X. Is the above partitioning a good choice? Can anybody give me some hints on the sizes to choose for my partitions? Roger ================================================================================ Roger Haschke Fauerbach Universitaet Frankfurt Hauptstrasse 42 rh@thi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de 35510 Butzbach haschke@rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de Tel. +49(0)6033 4201 ================================================================================ ... ich bin gut zu Voegeln in Wald und Flur ... ================================================================================ --- ================================================================================ Roger Haschke Fauerbach Universitaet Frankfurt Hauptstrasse 42 rh@thi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de 35510 Butzbach haschke@rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de Tel. +49(0)6033 4201 ================================================================================ ... ich bin gut zu Voegeln in Wald und Flur ... ================================================================================ ------------------------------ From: dalheime@bosun3.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Matthias "Kalle" Dalheimer) Subject: Re: Can Linux work on a VESA local bus? Date: 9 Nov 1993 09:05:13 GMT Jiansheng Zhao (zhao@unixg.ubc.ca) wrote: : A very simple question: is linux only run on ISA bus? How about VESA local : bus? Must be a FAQ. : -- : zhao@unixg.ubc.ca : __o o__ o __ o__ o__ : _ \<,_ zz _.>/ _ _.>/ _ _.>/ _ _.>/ _ : (_)/ (_) (_) \(_) _ (_) \(_) (_) \(_) (_) \(_) ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************