From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 00:13:38 EST Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #282 Linux-Misc Digest #282, Volume #1 Mon, 8 Nov 93 00:13:38 EST Contents: Re: Hurd status and call for volunteers (mathew) Re: linux - alpha port? (Jerry C. Hudgins) Re: Hurd status and call for volunteers (David Becker) Xfree86 2.00 Great! (BARRY TITMARSH) Texas TMS 34020 on XFree86 (Jose Manuel dos Santos Calhariz) OS/2 and LINUX HELP!!! (ANDROUTSOS DIMITRIOS) Re: Xfree86 2.00 Great! (James A. Hall) Re: linux - alpha port? (Grant Edwards) is there a hex editor for linux? (a la zipzap or norton) (Brion Moss) Re: Slackware -- the complete list of problems. (Andrej Bauer) Which machine? to run Linux. (Hyo Kim) Re: XFree86-2.0 problems on WD90C31 (Pirate (Anthony Taylor)) Special character support for Linux? (Bill McKinnon '96) Re: Xfree86 2.00 Great! (Michael C Landauer) Re: Slackware -- the complete list of problems. (Michael Griffith) Re: TERM problems- Please help! (System Overlord) Re: Term Stats: >1200 CPS (NOT bps)? (System Overlord) Which machine? to run Linux. (Hyo Kim) What to choose components? for Linux (Hyo Kim) Re: Video Cards Supported? What should I buy! (Number 6) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: Hurd status and call for volunteers Date: 7 Nov 1993 17:21:18 -0000 In article , Guru Aleph_Null wrote: >I don't think they were interested in Linux because Linux was >originally designed for only the i386/i486 machines. Linux was thrown together in a weekend when Linus got bored. I was reading comp.os.minix at the time when he posted his "Hey, look what I wrote last weekend" article. It was written monolithically because, well, it was just hacked together in a couple of days, so what do you expect, OK? mathew -- /X-Attribution:/h:j -- just say no to SuperCite ------------------------------ Subject: Re: linux - alpha port? From: hudgins_jc@corning.com (Jerry C. Hudgins) Date: 5 Nov 93 15:29:20 -0500 Reply-To: hudgins_jc@corning.com In article <1993Nov4.204547.19144@draper.com>, ssy1538@draper.com (Steven Yampolsky) writes: >If you can afford an alpha workstation, you can afford ULTRIX that comes with >it. Er, make that OSF/1. There's no Ultrix port for the AXP architecture. These things are also not as expensive as you'd think. Check the prices on the entry-level 2000-300 mode. -- Jerry C. Hudgins, Consultant Work : hudgins_jc@corning.com Corning Incorporated Home : jerry@marin.corning.ny.us Mail Stop HP-ME-03-073 Voice: (607) 974-2515 Corning, NY 14831 FAX : (607) 974-6752 ------------------------------ From: beckerd@cs.unc.edu (David Becker) Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: Hurd status and call for volunteers Date: 7 Nov 1993 13:07:56 -0500 In article mhcoffin@tolstoy.uwaterloo.ca (Michael Coffin) writes: >Sun OS is horrifyingly slow. Correction, Ultrix is horrifyingly slow, SunOs is merely slow. A linux PC performs 3 or 4 times faster than the best Ultrix DECstation (MIPS chip) at our site. And a Mach/monolithic BSD PC performs around 75% the speed of the Linux PC in one disk intensive test. But that would be on the "Fast" file system BSD introduced 10 years ago. [the mach numbers are valid for our PCs **and** microchannel PS/2s] And, wow, 10 years later Linux has a file system du jour (xia, ext2, minix ...) that can go faster. Not real surprising. On other hand Ultrix does stay up for more than 12 hours. Linux pl13 keeps crashing on me. From the linux experience, it seems reasonable to expect a profusion of file systems on a multiserver Mach machine. You could even be running different versions of, say, the xiafs simultaneously... on both your Sun at work and your PC at home. GNU's mission is to develop software for the unix world, not just for PCs. The hurd multiserver will develop just as linux has, based on the enthusiasm of the developers for the idea. Linux (writing a unixoid kernel from scratch for PC/ATs and compatibles) is a cool idea, generating its own interest and momemtum among the zillions of unix-aware PC owners. A Mach multiserver OS is another cool idea generating enthusiasm, but among a (not exclusively) different group of people, those who think multiservers are the next wave of workstation OSs. So Donald can go ahead and keep writing his linux drivers and I'll continue porting them to 386at Mach and may the best OS win. -- "Dogh!" - Homer David Becker beckerd@cs.unc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1993 17:48:21 CET From: BARRY TITMARSH Subject: Xfree86 2.00 Great! How did i install it.. Well i took my old Xconfig that worked fine in Xfree86 1.2 then run it up as VGA256 looked at the errors the server>Well, first off, if I remember correctly, DEC ALPHA's come with OSF/1, : >not ULTRIX (I heard you can also get VMS (blech!) with it if you want : >(?)). : Yep. It's called OpenVMS, and it is like VMS, except there is no point : in getting it since you wouldn't preserve compatibility anyway. Over : this summer I ported the LEPTO lib from ol' VAXen to the Alphas, the : former run VMS, the latter run OpenVMS. Wasn't much fun. Took a long : long time. Yow! OpenVMS. Sounds like some kind of hallucinogenic nightmare. You should check to make sure the CIA isn't putting stuff into your orange juice. Still there's nothing quite like those VMS system calls -- most of which have 147 parameters, almost all of them cryptic, optional, and default to values that are non-useful for what you are trying to do. QIOW(barble,,,,,quarf,,,,qwert); -- Grant Edwards |Yow! My haircut is totally Rosemount Inc. |traditional! | grante@rosemount.com | ------------------------------ From: boss@soda.berkeley.edu (Brion Moss) Subject: is there a hex editor for linux? (a la zipzap or norton) Date: 8 Nov 93 00:22:59 GMT Simply as the subject says: are there any programs for hex-editing non-ascii files? -- Brion "Imp" Moss imp@cory.berkeley.edu | to save us both boss@soda.berkeley.edu | some effort, just | assume this .sig DISCLAIMER: I hereby claim the city of Dis as my own. | is already funny. ------------------------------ From: Andrej.Bauer@ijs.si (Andrej Bauer) Subject: Re: Slackware -- the complete list of problems. Date: 8 Nov 93 00:54:00 +0100 Slackware 1.04 Problem No. 6: in package lpr.gz (disk a2) you'll find duplicated programs: usr/bin/lpc vs. usr/etc/lpc usr/bin/lptest vs. usr/etc/lptest To make things worse, these files differ! Does anybody know which ones are *the right* ones? 36 more to go. BTW, I wrote before that two of my friends had problems with compiling the kernel under Slackware 1.04. They both succeeded when they correctly soft-linked the directory /usr/include/linux (as described in README files somwhere in /usr/src/linux). Problem No. 5 (about Seyon not working) should not be counted as a problem, since it is not known who is the guilty party. One day I could write a thick book called "Problems with SLS and Slackware". Andrej =================== Andrej.Bauer@IJS.si ------------------------------ From: hk1198@u.cc.utah.edu (Hyo Kim) Subject: Which machine? to run Linux. Date: 7 Nov 1993 18:45:21 -0700 ------------------------------ From: FNATT@elmer.alaska.edu (Pirate (Anthony Taylor)) Subject: Re: XFree86-2.0 problems on WD90C31 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 01:36:02 GMT In article <1993Nov7.141145.849@ludens> tiv@ludens.elte.hu writes: >From: tiv@ludens.elte.hu >Subject: XFree86-2.0 problems on WD90C31 >Date: 7 Nov 93 14:11:45 +0100 >I've encountered some problems while upgrading from XFree86-1.3 to 2.0 >My setup is: >386DX40 with 8 megs of RAM and a >Western Digital Paradise Accelerator Card, with WD90C31 chip and 1MB >When I started X first time, it started OK, but upon exit it didn't switch >properly back to text mode, so the display became unreadable and I had to >reboot. The effect was like if you switch to 1024x768 mode on a 640x480 >monitor (a trembling, messy screen). >And after that I wasnt able to start X once more (until reboot). >It didn't detected clock values above 28 Mhz, so the clocks line was full of >zeros, and some clock values like 25.20 18.10 28.30 etc. (not in this >order). >I put back the old XF86_SVGA (the 1.3) server, and now I'm using that. >Please help if you can... I get the same problem. Is there a patch yet? If so, could someone please e-mail me the location? The 2.0 server _blazes_ with the WD card. I mean FAST. I can do opaquemoves with windows 50% screen size and they look good. My solution to the problem: I just don't kill the server. Not a good solution. Thanks. - Tony fnatt@elmer.alaska.edu ======================================================================== I only wish UAF held the same opinions I do. ------------------------------ From: mckinnon@waldo.smcvt.edu (Bill McKinnon '96) Subject: Special character support for Linux? Date: 7 Nov 1993 22:29:54 -0500 Hi all. I frequently use Xcomm 4.1 to connect to other machines, DOS and other, for various things. It works great for machines that don't run DOS or don't use upper ascii characters, but for those that do it is unable to display the characters correctly. It manages to come close, by substituting similar characters, but it just doesn't look the way it should. I also noticed that the dos emulator, at least as it is set up on my machine, is also unable to display any sort of upper-ascii character associated with DOS. What I would like to know is this: Is there any Linux program out there, communications or other, that allows the proper displaying of upper ascii characters exactly as they would look in DOS, or is this just impossible for Linux machines? I am also having trouble getting the dos emulator to do much of anything with color, nevermind any sort of graphics. Is this normal? Any help on these things would be appreciated. Thanks! Bill =================================================================== B_MCKINNON@SMCVAX.SMCVT.EDU (VAX/VMS) or MCKINNON@WALDO.SMCVT.EDU (UNIX) ------------------------------ From: mlandaue@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael C Landauer) Subject: Re: Xfree86 2.00 Great! Date: 8 Nov 1993 03:49:19 GMT jhall@nmsu.edu (James A. Hall) writes: >BARRY TITMARSH (BTITMARS@ESOC.BITNET) wrote: >: How did i install it.. >: Well i took my old Xconfig that worked fine in Xfree86 1.2 >: then run it up as VGA256 >: looked at the errors the server>: RTFM for the 10 mins or so >I took my Xconfig from 1.3 and used it. It came right up. and XDM >works too...yes this is great. I agree it is faster also. I have >a ( diamond speedstar ) ET4000 card and it is a noticeibly faster now than >under 1.3. I have an OAK 077 and Xfree 2 works great for me also. I'm very happy to finally be able to use color. All I had to do is make a couple little changes to Xconfig and I was ready to go. -- Michael Landauer | DISBAND THE SGA!!!!!! mlandaue@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu | ------------------------------ From: grif@ucrengr.ucr.edu (Michael Griffith) Subject: Re: Slackware -- the complete list of problems. Date: 8 Nov 1993 04:10:29 GMT In article <1993Nov8.005400.719@cathy.ijs.si>, Andrej Bauer wrote: >Slackware 1.04 Problem No. 6: [problem deleted] >One day I could write a thick book called "Problems with SLS and Slackware". Either that or you could just mail the problems to Patrick. He has always been especially responsive about fixing problems. I still don't understand why you have to make such a big production everytime you find a new bug. BTW, it is probably not in good form to speak of Slackware and "that other distribution" in the same breath. -- Michael A. Griffith grif@cs.ucr.edu ------------------------------ From: kender@executor (System Overlord) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development Subject: Re: TERM problems- Please help! Date: 8 Nov 93 03:10:37 GMT Reply-To: kender@esu.edu Or you could just get term108, and use that instead, it's fixed that bug, and a couple of other ones to boot. Enjoy! D -- |Dan Garcia,Kender@esu.edu|If privacy is outlawed then only outlaws will have | |#include | privacy - Phil Zimmerman, author of PGP | |Coram Deo|Death to Barney| This space for rent - mail ideas to me -- | | GCS/MU d--() -p+ c++(c+) l++ u+ e+(*) m++(*) s !n h f+ !g w+ t++(--) r+ !y | ------------------------------ From: kender@executor (System Overlord) Subject: Re: Term Stats: >1200 CPS (NOT bps)? Date: 8 Nov 93 03:18:08 GMT Reply-To: kender@esu.edu Slaving away in a dark room, cajho@uno.edu produced: >In article , boutell@netcom.com (Drinks All The Water) writes: > >Apologies for not redirecting this to comp.os.linux.help where it prob. >belonged, but I'm using a lousy VMS newsreader and I don't think it's even >possible (petition my school to give me an ethernet connection so I can rn >from my Linux box. :) ) Well, you could do what we do here, and use tredir and term to do your newsreading ;), I compiled tin and trn to run on linux using only nntp for news service, and then, when i log in, i run something along the lines of tredir 1119 news.esu.edu:119. Enjoy! D > >> >>My apologies to the 2400- bauders who will be enraged >>into throwing heavy objects at me for being dissatisfied. (: >> >>-T >>-- >>i'll be under the floorboards with my face in the sun >-- >Craig Johnston | Cavitas in dentibus facimus! >cajho@uno.edu | Cavitas in dentibus facimus! -- |Dan Garcia,Kender@esu.edu|If privacy is outlawed then only outlaws will have | |#include | privacy - Phil Zimmerman, author of PGP | |Coram Deo|Death to Barney| This space for rent - mail ideas to me -- | | GCS/MU d--() -p+ c++(c+) l++ u+ e+(*) m++(*) s !n h f+ !g w+ t++(--) r+ !y | ------------------------------ From: hk1198@u.cc.utah.edu (Hyo Kim) Subject: Which machine? to run Linux. Date: 7 Nov 1993 21:38:30 -0700 Hi, all. Recently I have got too many FAILUREs from my machine(386sx: 16Mh). So I am seriously thinking of getting a new one. At the same time, I have heard about Linux which raised a flag against all commercial OS. Though I am not good at engineering stuff at all, I would really try that. However, as far as I have heard, some computers from vendors(I can't assemble my machine by buying pieces like MB, Harddisk, etc. I have no idea.) are not compatible with the Linux. For example, Zeos doesn't intend to provide other Video Boards except the Diamond's (Viper, Speedstar, etc.) So, since I heard that the video board is not useful because Diamond is doing BAD BUSINESS, I can't choose the machine. Another vendor, Micron also offer Diamond graphic card. Also, Micornics' Mother Board(Only Eisa) seems to have a problem with the Linux, which is offered by Gateway2000. Or do they allow customers to choose each part of a machine? I would choose a machine from one of below vendors. Would you please enlighten me what kinds of things should be concerned and avoided? o Gateway2000 486Eisa-VL (MB problem: ) Micronics Eisa board? SCSI, CD-rom, etc. OK? o Micron Computer inc. 466VLE WindserverCD (Video Card problem: ) Am I wrong about Diamond? Is there no problem? SCSI dirve, CD-rom, etc. o Tri-Star 486VL-EISA (???) using PUMA? 2MB VL accelerator (Weitek P-9000 on it.) SCSI, CD-rom... If somebody has an experience with these vendors, and gives a piece of advice, I would really appreciate. PS.)If this is not relevant with this group, please forgive me. And there might be many mistakes in the above writing. Please, I did not intend to do that. (I am a stupid foreigner.) Thank you very much. Hyo Kim-------------- Hyo.Kim@m.cc.utah.edu Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL0] ------------------------------ From: hk1198@u.cc.utah.edu (Hyo Kim) Subject: What to choose components? for Linux Date: 7 Nov 1993 21:45:23 -0700 Hi, all. Recently I have got too many FAILUREs from my machine(386sx: 16Mh). So I am seriously thinking of getting a new one. At the same time, I have heard about Linux which raised a flag against all commercial OS. Though I am not good at engineering stuff at all, I would really try that. However, as far as I have heard, some computers from vendors(I can't assemble my machine by buying pieces like MB, Harddisk, etc. I have no idea.) are not compatible with the Linux. For example, Zeos doesn't intend to provide other Video Boards except the Diamond's (Viper, Speedstar, etc.) So, since I heard that the video board is not useful because Diamond is doing BAD BUSINESS, I can't choose the machine. Another vendor, Micron also offer Diamond graphic card. Also, Micornics' Mother Board(Only Eisa) seems to have a problem with the Linux, which is offered by Gateway2000. Or do they allow customers to choose each part of a machine? I would choose a machine from one of below vendors. Would you please enlighten me what kinds of things should be concerned and avoided? o Gateway2000 486Eisa-VL (MB problem: ) Micronics Eisa board? SCSI, CD-rom, etc. OK? o Micron Computer inc. 466VLE WindserverCD (Video Card problem: ) Am I wrong about Diamond? Is there no problem? SCSI dirve, CD-rom, etc. o Tri-Star 486VL-EISA (???) using PUMA? 2MB VL accelerator (Weitek P-9000 on it.) SCSI, CD-rom... If somebody has an experience with these vendors, and gives a piece of advice, I would really appreciate. PS.)If this is not relevant with this group, please forgive me. And there might be many mistakes in the above writing. Please, I did not intend to do that. (My first language is not English.) Thank you very much. Hyo Kim-------------- Hyo.Kim@m.cc.utah.edu Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL0] ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.misc From: nathan@seldon.foundation.tricon.com (Number 6) Subject: Re: Video Cards Supported? What should I buy! Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1993 04:03:02 GMT > Kelly Murray (kem@prl.ufl.edu) >though i have noticed that >SunWorld has little writeups on new software released on FTP sites now. Be prepared Sunworld will no longer be in Jan. 94. I guess I shouldn't release this, but I dont' work for them.... Sunworld is broadening it's audience in January. They will become "Advanced Systems". Perhaps some who read Sunworld will know of the "Advanced Systems Test Center". I saw it last weekend. Funny sight. Looks like my 3rd bedroom converted to office almost exactly. Systems in funny places, doing funny things with postits saying "don't touch". Software on shelves, etc. Hopefully, we can expect more coverage for Linux and other nonSun things. The shift has been going on for several months. Again, hopefully, we can expect it to become a techno Unix mag. I think Unixworld's editorial content has declined significantly in the past two years. As an employee of Sunworld said "if the world goes to NT, our strategy is fed.". Hope it doesn't. Get your Sunworld postcards and SUBSCRIBE it's not just for Sun anymore! I don't work for Sunworld a good highschool friend does. I just wish them luck with the Advanced Systems theme. If anyone is wondering yes, there are TWO ads for Linux in Sunworld each month!! I would be happy to hear what people think, or have people ask questions about the shift. I want to buffer the person at Sunworld who is dealing with the failure of NextWorld. (He's a customer service rep and NextWorld subscriber's flame him at least five times a day). *********************************************************************** Nathan D. Lane, VP Triicon Systems. Lompoc, CA (805) 7331849 NaN != 6, 6 == 1. I am not a number, I am a free list! 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