From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Sat, 6 Nov 93 05:30:17 EST Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #279 Linux-Misc Digest #279, Volume #1 Sat, 6 Nov 93 05:30:17 EST Contents: Which Linux? (Paul Smith) Re: TERM problems- Please help! (Gasparovski / Daniel (ISE)) Re: MS Windows for LINUX ? (Bill C. Riemers) Re: JANA question (Bill C. Riemers) Re: INFOMAGIC (Eric Youngdale) Re: Hurd status and call for volunteers (Scott Alfter) Can't restart XFree86 2.0 w/ Western Digital card (jsc@slayer.mit.edu) Re: Yggdrasil Hassles -- response from YCI (Bill O'Neill) Re: Benchmark results here (of no value - no doubt ;-) (Mats Löfkvist) Linux with lots of serial (Ron Arts) Re: JANA question Re: JANA question (Russell Webb) Re: Linux Distributions... (Roos van Raadshooven L.A.) Re: Linux BBS (Harald Milz) Re: Hurd status and call for volunteers (Donald J. Becker) Re: INFOMAGIC (Mark A. Horton) Re: Linux with lots of serial (Mark A. Horton) Re: Linux Slackware on Disk/Tape $44.99 (Matthew S. Richmond) Re: SLS:After install, "ps", "top", don't work!! (Byron J Patterson) Re: SLS:After install, "ps", "top", don't work!! (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: psmith@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (Paul Smith) Subject: Which Linux? Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 21:54:59 GMT I've hunted through FAQs and HOWTOs. I've installed the latest SLS release and had problems with it, and from what I read that's not surprising. Surely there is a list of what is wrong with the latest SLS (and how to fix). Please point me to it... If not, which is the more stable linux release? And where do I get it? If no release is particularly better than any other, what would you all recommend as the best for putting together a BBS? Why? Also, I have an AT&T IPC-802 intelligent serial port board. Everything I've read says that drivers for it don't exist, and probably never will. Does anyone have any information to the contrary? Thanks very much for your help! -Paul ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development From: u923168@student.canberra.edu.au (Gasparovski / Daniel (ISE)) Subject: Re: TERM problems- Please help! Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 13:03:14 GMT In article clau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Christopher Lau) writes: >Anyone have any clues on this one: > >Here's the details: >o On Monday, term was working fine >o On Monday night, shutdown the system properly, powered down for the night. >o On Tuesday morning, term doesn't work. It just sits there and hangs, > nothing appears to go over the serial line (no flashing lights on the modem) >o On Wednesday, term still doesn't work.. > >What I did: [51 lines of "testing" deleted] >that doesn't help, everything else on the system seems to work fine. The >only thing I can think of is to turn back the clock to Monday's date and >see if things work again.. (if it does, I'll have to take my Linux disks >to the shredder and a hammer to my computer) ROFL! Lucky you didn't turn the clock back (on both machines) or you would be left with salad a-la-linux. :) I went through a similar experience: o On Monday, term was working fine. o On Tuesday, term stops working. What I did: o Run term on both ends. Didn't work. o Run term on both ends again. Didn't work. o Give up. Admittedly, I wasn't quite as thorough as you, but I acheived about as much as you did. :) I have to say, this was one of the more amusing posts I have read in a while. (Yes, I am the type that loves Australias Funnies Home Video Show... chuckling when a cat gets trodded on by a horse, laughing when a kid gets kicked in the head...) I thank you for sharing your misery with us... May you have many more... ;) -- Dan ... ( "University of Canberra ... Where only idiots run out of ro" ) ------------------------------ From: bcr@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Bill C. Riemers) Subject: Re: MS Windows for LINUX ? Date: 5 Nov 93 18:12:55 GMT In article <1993Nov5.093235.24196@pony.Ingres.COM> christop@Ingres.COM (Christopher Etz) writes: >For the meantime you can run Windows 3.0 in *real* mode from dosemu. But >you should probably shut down X before. Unfortunately, Windows 3.1 and any >programs that need more than real mode don't run. :-( Only if you have an ET4000 as your VGA card. If you have something more modern, don't even bother trying yet. Bill ------------------------------ From: bcr@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Bill C. Riemers) Subject: Re: JANA question Date: 5 Nov 93 18:20:20 GMT In article you write: >I recieved the first (may-june) JANA linux CD-ROM. But have not heard >from them since. They don't answer E-mail, or posts to this newsgroup. >Does anyone have their phone number (although I have heard you can't >get through). >Should I spend more money on another linux CD-ROM? >Which of the other venders of CD-ROMs are also fly-by-night? I had to bug them for two months by phone and mail to get my second CD, the third one is still overdue... I believe the 1-800 number is printed on the CD. If I wasn't so stubborn I would start looking into these other companies. But my God, I paid for 12 CD's, I'm going to get all 12, not just settle for one or two!!! Bill ------------------------------ From: eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale) Subject: Re: INFOMAGIC Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 23:29:10 GMT In article kennedyj@vader.egr.uri.edu (John Kennedy) writes: > >I'm new to linux systems so I may go up in flames for this one. > >I came across 5 CD_ROMS from a company called INFOMAGIC. These are said to contain >source code, X-windows support etc. for a linux based system. > >Has anyone either heard of or tried these disks out ? I have seen tons of them at computer shows. There are one or two vendors who have the Yggdrasil disc (Fall 93), and I have yet to see any of the others. I asked a bit about the INFOMAGIC disc, and if it is the one you are talking about, it is supposed to contain NetBSD, FreeBSD and linux all on one disc. The vendor seemed to think that this was an advantage. Having seen the latest Yggdrasil disc (which is stuffed to the limit with things), my preference would be to have one disc with only linux stuff on it. As far as I can remember, the linux kernel on this disc was rather old (but I cannot remember which one pl10???), but the disc was fairly inexpensive. One vendor indicated that the discs that sell at computer shows must be priced at or below about 30$ unless it is a popular title, or if it has X-rated GIF files. If the price is < 20$, a lot of people would buy it having never heard of it before just to see what the heck it is all about, but for 50$ far fewer people would be willing to try this. If linux gets some good write-ups in one of the big magazines, the situation could change quite a bit overnight. I am in no way complaining about the prices of the linux discs, but this is apparently how the market works at the computer shows. -Eric -- "The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And lines to code before I sleep, And lines to code before I sleep." ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss From: sknkwrks@t-bone.cs.unlv.edu (Scott Alfter) Subject: Re: Hurd status and call for volunteers Date: 05 Nov 1993 23:45:58 GMT In article <1993Nov4.165217.13711@rosevax.rosemount.com> grante@hydro.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) writes: >VMS is different from traditional Unix, but that doesn't make it >something I would want to run on a computer that I had to use. :-) x 100 _/_ Scott Alfter (sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu) Ask me about SoftDAC--digital / v \ Call the Skunk Works BBS today! audio for your Apple IIe/IIc! (IIGS( (702) 894-9619 300-14400 V.32bis 1:209/263 Apple II, IBM, Trek, & more! \_^_/ ---===#### Why be politically correct when you can be RIGHT? ####===--- ------------------------------ From: jsc@slayer.mit.edu Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Can't restart XFree86 2.0 w/ Western Digital card Date: 06 Nov 1993 07:53:53 GMT Reply-To: jsc@mit.edu I posted earlier about a problem with XFree86 2.0 where it would screw up my virtual consoles. Since then, I've noticed another, perhaps related problem: the server will not start up a second time. When I start X, I get the following info: =============================================================== Xconfig: /usr/X386/lib/X11/Xconfig (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values (**) Mouse: type: MouseSystems, device: /dev/mouse, baudrate: 1200 (**) FontPath set to "/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/Type 1/,/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" (--) VGA256: WD: Signature for WD90C3X=[0x33 0x31] (--) VGA256: chipset: wd90c31 (--) VGA256: videoram: 1024k (--) VGA256: clocks: 25.10 28.32 65.50 36.30 0.00 28.30 0.00 0.00 (--) VGA256: clocks: 44.40 (--) VGA256: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 90MHz (**) VGA256: Mode "1024x768": mode clock = 65.000, clock used = 65.500 (**) VGA256: Mode "800x600": mode clock = 36.000, clock used = 36.300 (**) VGA256: Mode "640x480": mode clock = 25.000, clock used = 25.100 (**) VGA256: Virtual resolution set to 1024x768 (--) VGA256: Generic SpeedUps selected (Flags=0x30) (--) VGA256: PVGA1: SpeedUps selected (Flags=0xf) =============================================================== However, when I kill it and try to start it a second time, it says this: =============================================================== Xconfig: /usr/X386/lib/X11/Xconfig (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values (**) Mouse: type: MouseSystems, device: /dev/mouse, baudrate: 1200 (**) FontPath set to "/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" (--) VGA256: WD: Signature for WD90C3X=[0x33 0x31] (--) VGA256: chipset: wd90c31 (--) VGA256: videoram: 1024k (--) VGA256: clocks: 22.70 28.32 18.10 25.30 0.00 28.30 0.00 0.00 (--) VGA256: clocks: 25.00 (--) VGA256: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 90MHz Fatal server error: There is no defined dot-clock matching mode "1024x768" =============================================================== Notice in particular the clocks lines; 65 becomes 18.10, and 44.40 becomes 25. I have a Clocks line in my Xconfig, but the server seems to be ignoring it. Anyway, any help at all on this would be appreciated. If you have a wd90c31 card and are NOT experiencing this problem, please let me know that, too. (The problem with the VC was that it would have a little flashing row of vertical dots on the screen, and two thin strips of the screen would be doubled, so that when the cursor appeared in that area, you would temporarily have two oave two of them. This leads to text thatext that looks kind of like the like these two lines. Quite annoying. Ioying. Is there any command to reset a video card?) -Jin ------------------------------ From: billo@odin.mc.com (Bill O'Neill) Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Hassles -- response from YCI Date: 5 Nov 1993 18:54:55 -0500 Well, it is about time I put my two cents worht in about this. As far as delivery service is/was concerned, Yggdrasil is/was GREAT! I ordered the CD-ROM about 3 weeks ago and I got it the next day. Since I no longer carry AX, I had to have my girlfriend use her corporate card... minor delay. One of my co-workers here just ordered it a few days ago. He wanted to pay by check, UPS tried to deliver the next day! I also noticed right away that UPS RED (overnight) costs alot more than $5, more like $13. For delivery service, I'd give Yggdrasil an A. On the other hand, I have to admit that they didn't handle my installation problems very well. It seemed to have been a problem with my Always IN-2000 SCSI host adapter. But I don't care any longer since I have replaced it with an Adaptec 1542c and things are now working fine. I'm a happy camper now and although I had problems, overall I'd give them a B. I do believe that they are getting better and trying hard. Considering what I got for my money, I'm satisfied and think that it was money (for the CD-ROM) well spent. William O'Neill ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix From: d87-mal@mumrik.nada.kth.se (Mats Löfkvist) Subject: Re: Benchmark results here (of no value - no doubt ;-) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 23:47:23 GMT In article jgrape@coos.dartmouth.edu (Johan A. Grape) writes: XFree86-1.2: 11434 xstones XFree86-2.0: 11404 xstones ... Faster than a sun 3/50 at least :-) The sun 3/50 reference numbers are for an R3 server. I would guess a 3/50 running an R5 server would do much better... _ Mats Lofkvist d87-mal@nada.kth.se ------------------------------ From: raarts@hacktic.nl (Ron Arts) Subject: Linux with lots of serial Date: 6 Nov 1993 01:55:04 +0100 Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Linux with lots of serial I want to run Linux with lots of serial ports & modems ( >= 5 ) Will that work? What hardware do I need? I know Linux supports some 4-port cards, but can I put more than one such card in a machine? Will such a setup support lots of 19.2kbps filetransfer going? Ron Arts Ster-BBS: +31-188040035(raarts) Internet: raarts@hacktic.nl CompuServe: 72163,463 --- þ KWQ/2 1.2b NR þ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 19:50:02 EST From: <3179690@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Subject: Re: JANA question From what I know JANA is working, thay shiped all there disks this week. And thay have plenty more in stock. My advice is that beofre you post some thing to the net E-Mail them or call them (8003632083). After the mergers during the past month the company has improved a lot in custermer service. ------------------------------ From: rwebb@panix.com (Russell Webb) Subject: Re: JANA question Date: 5 Nov 1993 22:26:28 -0500 In article <93309.1950023179690@qucdn.queensu.ca>, <3179690@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> wrote: >From what I know JANA is working, thay shiped all there disks this week. >And thay have plenty more in stock. My advice is that beofre you post some >thing to the net E-Mail them or call them (8003632083). > > After the mergers during the past month the company has improved a lot >in custermer service. Great! Too bad they took my order in April, proceeded to ignore it until July when they officially canceled it; they then checked in August to see if I'd gotten any of the discs, and finally wouldn't respond via email or phone. I received nothing, of course. BTW, didn't Jay of Jana post from qucdn.queensu.ca? Why no name on your post? Its good to see such strong unsolicited anonymous recommendations of Jana. All the best, Russell Webb rwebb@panix.com ------------------------------ From: roosvanr@athena.research.ptt.nl (Roos van Raadshooven L.A.) Subject: Re: Linux Distributions... Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1993 02:47:30 GMT Anybody using TAMU? I don't see any comments about it here. -Leon. ------------------------------ From: hm@seneca.ix.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Linux BBS Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 22:12:25 GMT Reply-To: hm@seneca.ix.de MCREYNPA@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu wrote: : > Anyway, the point of this post is to point out that someone not too long : > ago suggested implementing a BBS shell for Linux (via perl scripts perhaps?) : > and to ask how this is coming? Has anyone gotten around to it? Yes, I did that. It is a short (well, around 500 lines) shell skript which has been used for a while, but I then decided to implement a chroot environment which is much safer. However, people are just user 'bbs' in there, but can send mail and download stuff with sz and kermit. There's even man-pages for poor D*S-**sers. If they only read them. Any comment on that? Ciao, hm -- Harald Milz (hm@seneca.ix.de) ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss From: becker@super.org (Donald J. Becker) Subject: Re: Hurd status and call for volunteers Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 20:42:35 GMT In article , Michael I Bushnell wrote: ... >What this system organization lets users do is completely novel in the >Unixoid world... ... >The third common method of using translators in the Hurd is to present >a filesystem-like view of another part of the filesystem, with some >semantics changed. For example, it might be nice to have a filesystem >which cannot be changed, but records changed versions of its files >elsewhere. (This might be useful for source code management.) A >translator is available which presents "that directory" with all >changes going "over there instead". Hmmm, that sounds a lot like what the Linux IFS does. It's here today... >functions. Transparent FTP does the same thing, but in a system wide >fashion. This server is not yet written; the details of its access >remain to be fleshed out, and will doubtless change when we have >experience using the server. There is already an easy out-of-kernel hook for doing this in Linux: writing a pseudo-NFS server that communicates through the local loopback device. The performance would be fine for implementing a typical low-bandwidth anonymous FTP connection. If this method of providing a file system became popular it would be easy enough to extend the interface to do aligned page-mapped communication. In this case Linux does have the functionality you associate only with a microkernel, while retaining the performance advantages and robustness of a monolithic kernel for the bulk of filesystem access. [[ I write this above with a little bit of satisfaction: I wrote the early version of the user-level NFS server now used by Linux. Unlike the Sun-style mostly-kernel-resident server, it provides an excellent base for experimenting with new filesystem types. ]] Most of the other "neato" features you list can similarly be easily implemented with other facilities already provided in Linux. Shared libraries are a very effective way of updating and customizing your environment, if that's what you really want to do. Has anyone out there run Plan-9, which provides many of the same environment/filesystem customizations mentioned here? Did you actually try it? Were you and your program still sane afterwards? ...I thought not. I would love to comment at length on the rest of the features mentioned, but most readers can probably guess my comments about 32 bit IDs, etc., so skip on a bit. >As an interesting example of the flexibility of the Hurd design, >consider the case of IP trailers, used extensively in BSD for >performance. While the Hurd will be willing to send and receive >trailers, it will gain fairly little advantage in doing so, because >there is no requirement that data be copied *ever*, so avoiding copies >for page-aligned data is not important. (1) Trailer aren't used extensively because (2) Trailers generally hurt overall performance. (3) "*Ever*"? With every _network_ protocol I know of you have to copy _most_ of the time. -- Donald Becker becker@super.org IDA Supercomputing Research Center 17100 Science Drive, Bowie MD 20715 301-805-7482 ------------------------------ From: mahmha@crl.com (Mark A. Horton) Subject: Re: INFOMAGIC Date: 5 Nov 1993 20:51:31 -0800 Eric Youngdale (eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil) wrote: : In article kennedyj@vader.egr.uri.edu (John Kennedy) writes: : > : >I'm new to linux systems so I may go up in flames for this one. : > : >I came across 5 CD_ROMS from a company called INFOMAGIC. These are said to contain : >source code, X-windows support etc. for a linux based system. : > : >Has anyone either heard of or tried these disks out ? : I have seen tons of them at computer shows. There are one or two : vendors who have the Yggdrasil disc (Fall 93), and I have yet to see any of the : others. : I asked a bit about the INFOMAGIC disc, and if it is the one you are : talking about, it is supposed to contain NetBSD, FreeBSD and linux all on one : disc. The vendor seemed to think that this was an advantage. Having seen the : latest Yggdrasil disc (which is stuffed to the limit with things), my : preference would be to have one disc with only linux stuff on it. As far as I : can remember, the linux kernel on this disc was rather old (but I cannot : remember which one pl10???), but the disc was fairly inexpensive. : One vendor indicated that the discs that sell at computer shows must be : priced at or below about 30$ unless it is a popular title, or if it has X-rated : GIF files. If the price is < 20$, a lot of people would buy it having never : heard of it before just to see what the heck it is all about, but for 50$ far : fewer people would be willing to try this. If linux gets some good write-ups : in one of the big magazines, the situation could change quite a bit overnight. : I am in no way complaining about the prices of the linux discs, but this is : apparently how the market works at the computer shows. : -Eric : -- : "The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, : And lines to code before I sleep, And lines to code before I sleep." I can recommend most highly the Infomagic disks as well as the service provided by the company! They also sell a Linux-only CD which is a dump of the entire tsx-11.mit.edu linux library taken as of Sept. 1993. this contains the full SLS release, the MCC release, Hlu's GCC release, numerous packages and ports . It is possible also to install SLS (at least -- haven't built installation diskettes for the others yet) directly from the cd! It is probably the best "sleeper" deal on the market at only $15.00 retail plus $5.00 shipping (the shipping is the same for a bunch of disks as one - within reason, of course!) I have been very pleased with their service and promptness. Their number is 1-800-800-6613 or you can contact them through the net at : info@infomagic.com -- Mark A. Horton mah@ka4ybr.atl.ga.us mah@ka4ybr.com P.O.Box 747 Decatur GA US 30031-0747 ICBM: 33 45 N / 084 16 W +1.404.371.0291 Cruise: 33 45 30 N / 084 16 50 W "We may note that, for the purposes of these experiments, the symbol "=" has the meaning "may be confused with." ------------------------------ From: mahmha@crl.com (Mark A. Horton) Subject: Re: Linux with lots of serial Date: 5 Nov 1993 20:58:12 -0800 Ron Arts (raarts@hacktic.nl) wrote: : Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc : Subject: Linux with lots of serial : I want to run Linux with lots of serial ports & modems ( >= 5 ) : Will that work? What hardware do I need? Yes, I use the STB-4COM boards myself - 4 ports to 4,3,2,or 1 IRQ. And they're cheap! : I know Linux supports some 4-port cards, but can I put more : than one such card in a machine? yes. you can put two of the STB cards in. : Will such a setup support lots of 19.2kbps filetransfer going? There was a BIG argument on this here a while back. I don't want to start a flame war so I'll just say that I'm happy with 8 ports and speeds up to 38400 on my wimpy little 386DX33. : Ron Arts Ster-BBS: +31-188040035(raarts) : Internet: raarts@hacktic.nl CompuServe: 72163,463 : --- : þ KWQ/2 1.2b NR þ -- Mark A. Horton mah@ka4ybr.atl.ga.us mah@ka4ybr.com P.O.Box 747 Decatur GA US 30031-0747 ICBM: 33 45 N / 084 16 W +1.404.371.0291 Cruise: 33 45 30 N / 084 16 50 W "We may note that, for the purposes of these experiments, the symbol "=" has the meaning "may be confused with." ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: mattr@h4snap.melpar.esys.com (Matthew S. Richmond) Subject: Re: Linux Slackware on Disk/Tape $44.99 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 20:01:07 GMT Hi all. Are there any plans in the works for putting Slackware on a CD-ROM distribution? Do JANA or Trans-Ameritech include Slackware on CD-ROM? thanks.. --Matt Richmond -- mattr@h4snap.melpar.esys.com | The opinions expressed herein are my | own and do not necessarily reflect That which does not kill us, makes us | those of E-Systems, Melpar. strong | --Freidrich Nietzche | ------------------------------ Subject: Re: SLS:After install, "ps", "top", don't work!! From: acs_patt@uwrf.edu (Byron J Patterson) Date: 6 Nov 93 01:09:29 -0600 Crassly Commercial Quantum Mechanic (morphy@cco.caltech.edu) wrote: : The error message asked me to change a line in /etc/fstab to: : /proc /proc ....etc. : I did that and rebooted, and it didn't work. : Jones : -- i have the same problem, but also when i do df it says: df: cannot read table of mounted file systems can someone please tell me how to fix this. thanks -- byron patterson byron.j.patterson@uwrf.edu ------------------------------ From: zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) Subject: Re: SLS:After install, "ps", "top", don't work!! Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1993 07:59:33 GMT In article <1993Nov6.010932.2003@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu> acs_patt@uwrf.edu (Byron J Patterson) writes: >Crassly Commercial Quantum Mechanic (morphy@cco.caltech.edu) wrote: >: The error message asked me to change a line in /etc/fstab to: > >: /proc /proc ....etc. > >: I did that and rebooted, and it didn't work. >: Jones >: -- change the line to: none /proc proc defaults and make sure you have proc support compiled in the kernel. >i have the same problem, but also when i do df >it says: >df: cannot read table of mounted file systems Remove any line in rc or rc.local that contains rdev. >can someone please tell me how to fix this. Of course it would be easier if you dumped SLS :-) >thanks >-- > >byron patterson >byron.j.patterson@uwrf.edu > > > -- --- Zeyd M. Ben-Halim zmbenhal@netcom.com 10479 1/4 Santa Monica Blvd, LA, CA, 90025 (310) 470-0281 ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************