From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 03:13:25 EST Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #265 Linux-Misc Digest #265, Volume #1 Wed, 3 Nov 93 03:13:25 EST Contents: Linux keeps using HD when I logged off.. (Dragon Fly) Re: XFree86 2.0 VGA16, anyone runs it successfully? (James G.) Re: Video Cards Supported? What should I buy! (Kelly Murray) Re: DOES LINUX RUN ON ESCOM PC's [Q] [Need Hardware Desc.] (Michael Firth) Re: LGX (Fall) CDROM review. (Phillip Hardy) Re: Video Cards Supported? What should I buy! (Helmut Geyer) Re: Bogomip (Harry Mangalam) What's different between SLS and slackware? (Rob Getter) Re: XFree86 2.0 VGA16, anyone runs it successfully? (David E. Wexelblat) Colorado Jumbo Tape and SCSI Controller Re: Linux BBS (Patrick Naubert) Re: Linux Distributions (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) Re: Tcl7.0 / Tk3.3 (System Administrator) Re: Linux keeps using HD when I logged off.. (System Administrator) A: How to obtain ld.so (Thomas Pfau) INN (Was: LGX (Fall) CDROM review.) (Rick) Re: SVGA Text Modes and Recompiling Kernal (Joseph W. Vigneau) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Dragon Fly) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Linux keeps using HD when I logged off.. Date: 2 Nov 93 12:36:27 -0500 Thanks God I have Slackware 1.0.5 set up and running on my 486DX2-66 16M RAM. I have 16 Mb swap partition. What I noted is that even if I logged off, the system pokes at hard disk with about 1 min time interval for some mysterious purpose. What does it do and would it be better to somehow reduce HD usage especially when I logged off ? Serge ------------------------------ From: jamesg@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu (James G.) Subject: Re: XFree86 2.0 VGA16, anyone runs it successfully? Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 18:44:03 GMT In article umlin000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Zhuo Er Lin) writes: >I have a cirrus VGA card. When I tried VGA16, it starts up as Mono ! >There is no color at all and is slower then the MONO server. > >I swithced back to MONO server and I found it is faster then the v1.3. > >-- >======================================================================== >| Eric Lin Voice: (204) 783-2884 | >| Computer Engineering FAX Modem: (204) 783-2884 | >| University of Manitoba Internet: Umlin000@cc.Umanitoba.CA | I've gotten it to work without any problems at all. I have a Cardinal VGA 100 w/256k memory. It is a bit slow, but not noticably different that 1.2's mono server. (Never could get 1.3 to work with my card) James ------------------------------ From: kem@prl.ufl.edu (Kelly Murray) Subject: Re: Video Cards Supported? What should I buy! Date: 2 Nov 1993 19:35:37 GMT In article <3345@rc1.vub.ac.be>, rherzog@vub.ac.be (Herzog R.) writes: |> Billy Barr (billy@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu) wrote: |> writes: |> : I am purchasing a new computer in the next couple of weeks. So far I have |> : chosen a Zenon EISA/VESA. I would like to get an UltraStor 34f (or if |> : money permits, a 24f). There are several video cards that I am now |> : considering: (the system comes standard with a Diamond Viper) |> |> : Orchid Fahrenheit VA VLB 2MB S3-805 |> : Celcius 2MB IIT ACX015 |> : Diamond Stealth Pro VLB 2MB S3-928 |> : Hercules Graphite VL Pro 2MB IIT AGX014 |> |> I have a nice 17 in color monitor, able of 1280x1024 resolution. |> This means 2 megs for the video board, or am I wrong? |> I would also appreciate recommendations about which video card to buy. |> Don't get a Diamond card! Among your choices listed, I would recommend the Orchid card, though they seem to have 60ns DRAM, which limits the clock rate to 65MHz, which is lower than what is needed to run the higher resolutions with good refresh. -Kelly ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,de.comp.os.linux,hannover.uni.comp.linux From: mfirth@cee.hw.ac.uk (Michael Firth) Subject: Re: DOES LINUX RUN ON ESCOM PC's [Q] [Need Hardware Desc.] Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 17:20:28 GMT In article toparlak@tu-harburg.de (Isa Afsin Toparlak) writes: >If YES, please give me some detailed intructions: > which ESCOM PC > which BUS > which VGA > which Ethernet > which CD > which Tape > which Hard disk > ... >so that > I can select those if want to buy PC (for Linux only) > by ESCOM > >Thanks, > > >Isa Afsin Toparlak >toparlak@tu-harburg.de > > > Linux is currently running well on my Tower-format Escom 486DX2 50Mhz machine. which has LocalBus, a Cirrus 5428-based video card, and the Seagate 250MB Hard disc, currently no ethernet, CD or tape. The monitor I have is very crappy, though, and XFree86-1.3 doesn't seem to understand the interlace concept, so I would recommend getting a monitor that can do at least 1024x768 non-interlaced. I would also recommend getting more RAM than I currently have (4MB) as X runs very slowly, constantly swapping to disk . Michael -- ___ | Michael Firth ISE Student | _________________ /\ \ | Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh |/ \ \ / \ \ |----------------------------------------|\ \ \~~~~~~~~~~~/ / \ \ | E-Mail addresses: mfirth@cee.hw.ac.uk,| \ \ \~~~/~~/ / ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux Subject: Re: LGX (Fall) CDROM review. From: phillip@status.gen.nz (Phillip Hardy) Date: 1 Nov 93 23:41:45 GMT Rick (pclink@qus102.qld.tne.oz.au) wrote: : 11. The UUCP programs are installed with the wrong ownership, : which means they can't spool to /usr/spool/uucp, which has the : right owner. I needed to recompile anyway to install a bug : fix, so this wasn't a problem for me. and not to mention :) the wrong config files setup... i copyed the src from the CD and recompiled UUCP after that it was fine i also make ...conf/uucp/sys files etc and used those much nicer :) : 12. INN (InterNetNews) is stuffed. Not only is the config suspect : (try posting to a moderated newsgroup), the installation is : missing a key program, innd. An incompatible version of inews : is in /bin. Also installed with the wrong ownership. this is one of the key gripes. :) i recompiled it and still have not got news running :( what do you other linux users recoment cnews / inn or what ever? all in all i was impressed with the install system very nice. not so hot about how it came up :( i spent around 4 days just seting up uucp smail getty etc. now just need to get the news running :) Phillip. ===================================================================== sometimes i can be found on status.gen.nz (202.14.100.1) my box is 202.14.100.200 (slip connection late at night only) ================== cut here ========================================= ------------------------------ From: geyer@polyhymnia.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Helmut Geyer) Subject: Re: Video Cards Supported? What should I buy! Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 20:00:12 GMT |> Billy Barr (billy@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu) wrote: |> writes: [ munch ] |> |> : Orchid Fahrenheit VA VLB 2MB S3-805 |> : Celcius 2MB IIT ACX015 |> : Diamond Stealth Pro VLB 2MB S3-928 |> : Hercules Graphite VL Pro 2MB IIT AGX014 |> |> I have a nice 17 in color monitor, able of 1280x1024 resolution. |> This means 2 megs for the video board, or am I wrong? Yup. :>|> I would also appreciate recommendations about which video card to buy. :>|> First, don't buy Diamond. You only will have problems. The IIT chipset are not yet supported, so from the above cards only the Orchid Fahrenheit will work. Recommended cards (for performance at 1280x1024) are those cards listed in the AccelCards database (/usr/X386/lib/X11/etc/AccleCards) using a s3 86C928 chip and a Brooktree Bt485 RAMDAC (though you have to have a VERY good 17'' monitor to make full use of this). Most 17'' monitors can sync horizontally up to 64 kHz, perhaps up to 70. This will give you, however, only 60Hz (65Hz) refresh, which is not good. For 72 Hz refresh you should have a monitor capable to sync up to 80kHz. If your monitor does not do this, you can get one of the cheaper 928 cards using Sierra or AT&T RAMDACs which go up to 110MHz pixel clock. You will not be able to use the higher performance of the other cards at 8bit colour then. If you want to run 16 or 24bit colour (not yet supported for XFree86) you should get nevertheless one with the Bt485 RAMDAC. Helmut -- ============================================================================== Helmut Geyer geyer@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de ------------------------------ From: mangalam@uci.edu (Harry Mangalam) Subject: Re: Bogomip Date: 2 Nov 93 18:19:05 GMT In article <2b2ios$ruh@rio70.bln.sni.de>, ulf@rio70.bln.sni.de (Ulf Tietz, Tel-2961, tty40) wrote: > > In <2ar6sl$c2m@peril.zot.apana.org.au> hamish@zot.apana.org.au (Hamish Coleman) writes: > > >acb@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak) writes: > >>Christopher Lau (clau@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote: > >>: ericg@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Eric Chris Garrison) writes: > >>: > In article , > >>: > wrote: > >>: > >choltje@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Christian Holtje) writes: > >>: > > > >>: > >>>>>>>Two more datapoints: > >>: > >>>>>>>486DX-33 -----> 16.5 bogomips > >>: > >>>>>>>486DLC-33 -----> 11.2 bogomips (Cyrix cross between 386 and 486) > >>: > >>>>>>386DX-25 --> 3.91 BogoMips(tm). > >>: > >>>>>386DX-33/387DX-33 --> 6.03 BogoMips(tm) > >>: > >>>> 486DX66/2 --> 34.06 BogoMips (tm) > >>: > >>>386DX40 ---> 6.99 BogoMips (tm) > >>: > >>486DX50/2 ---> 25.0 BogoMips (tm) > >>: > >486SX25 ---> 12.24 BogoMips (tm) > >>: > 386DX40 ---> 7.29 BogoMips (tm) > >>: Cx486DRx2-40 --> 13.10 BogoMips (tm) (clock doubled 486 upgrade processor) > >>386sx-16 --> 2.23 BogoMips (tm) > >amd386sx-25 --> 3.38 BogoMips (tm) > > 486DX40 --> 19.97 BogoMips (tm) > Pentium 23,96 Bogomips (tm) ???? booted from floppy 486SLC2/66 --> 19.02 BogoMips (tm) And yet still another variation on a theme: (IBM/16K int cache - Blue Lightning(?) ), just out of the box w/ a USLI fpu. Seems rather sluggish lightning for the clock spped, but it was cheap.... Harry Mangalam, VCO/Micro+Mol Genetics, Irvine Hall, Coll of Med, UC Irvine, Irvine, CA, 92717, Vox:(714) 856-4824, Fax:(714) 725-2118, mangalam@uci.edu There's no better glory, when it all gets harried, to be laughing in the midst of it all. --- Doug and the Slugs --- ------------------------------ From: rxg@cci.com (Rob Getter) Subject: What's different between SLS and slackware? Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 18:07:23 GMT What does SLS have that Slackware doesn't and vice versa? I know about the bugs in the SLS release, having found and fixed most of them on my own system. Rob Getter ------------------------------ From: dwex@aib.com (David E. Wexelblat) Subject: Re: XFree86 2.0 VGA16, anyone runs it successfully? Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 21:05:40 GMT In article umlin000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Zhuo Er Lin) writes: >I have a cirrus VGA card. When I tried VGA16, it starts up as Mono ! >There is no color at all and is slower then the MONO server. > >I swithced back to MONO server and I found it is faster then the v1.3. > >-- >======================================================================== >| Eric Lin Voice: (204) 783-2884 | >| Computer Engineering FAX Modem: (204) 783-2884 | >| University of Manitoba Internet: Umlin000@cc.Umanitoba.CA | Well, I don't know why you wouldn't see color, but the VGA16 server is basically guarenteed to be slower than the mono server. Think about it. There are 4 bit planes in 16 color mode, and only one in mono mode. Worst case, the 16-color server will be 1/4 the speed of the mono server. I don't think it's quite that bad, though. There's no way the mono server is any faster than 1.3. There were no changes whatsoever to the code. It's your imagination. -- David Wexelblat (703) 430-9247 Fax: (703) 450-4560 AIB Software, Inc., 46030 Manekin Plaza, Suite 160, Dulles, VA 20166 Formerly Virtual Technologies, Inc. Mail regarding XFree86 should be sent to "If you don't expect too much from me, you might not be let down." -- Gin Blossoms, "Hey Jealousy" ------------------------------ From: jwest@jwest.ecen.okstate.edu () Subject: Colorado Jumbo Tape and SCSI Controller Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 21:25:32 GMT I'm about to trade an Irwin Accutrak tape drive for a Colorado Jumbo 250 so I can use my QIC-80 tapes with Linux. However, I have a SCSI disk controller (Adaptek 1542b) and seem to recall reading here that the Colorado tape is extremely slow when used with the SCSI contorller. Is this true? If so, is there a way to speed things up (such as using a different controller for the floppy tapes)? Thanks for any comments you may be able to provide... Jim ========== Jim West Associate Professor Electrical and Computer Engineering Oklahoma State University jwest@master.ceat.okstate.edu ------------------------------ From: naubertp@cognos.COM (Patrick Naubert) Subject: Re: Linux BBS Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 16:46:22 GMT MCREYNPA@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu wrote: : In sp@questor.org writes: : > arsenio@mobix.uc.pt () writes: : > The UniBoard BBS is only available as binaries, and the current release : > only runs on Linux up to 0.99pl12, I think. I hope that the author will : > soon release code that will work on later releases. Last time I checked, it only ran on p9 and less.... I toasted Uniboard yesterday.... :-) : Anyway, the point of this post is to point out that someone not too long : ago suggested implementing a BBS shell for Linux (via perl scripts perhaps?) : and to ask how this is coming? Has anyone gotten around to it? Yup :-) Took me 3 days after I bought the Nutshell Perl book... I am putting it on-line this week. Modules done so far : - Menu system, including color tokens. - call to Elm and Tin, but it's fully configurable... - New-user account creator. - Files download/upload module (sz only right now). Left to do: - Chat client (very little to do). - Line monitor - Account validator. - Line timer. Anyone wanna help ? :-) ------------------------------ From: zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) Subject: Re: Linux Distributions Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 21:01:08 GMT In article <2b5ofm$53m@crcnis1.unl.edu> jepler@herbie.unl.edu (Jeff Epler) writes: >ericm@excalibur.EE.McGill.CA (Eric Masson) writes: > >I'm pretty sure that Slackware offers a pretty good system. The >vapourware Debian is supposed to have an extremely good system for >this, but I've never seen it in action. Debian is NOT vaporware, it does exist. It is still in ALPHA, so we don't want to inflict it on the masses (unlike others). If you are really interested send me mail and I'll add you to the mailing list. >Jeff > >-- >Jeff Epler jepler@herbie.unl.edu (Preferred) or jepler@nyx.cs.du.edu >____ "Nuke the unborn gay whales" -- Never seen on a protest sign >\bi/ |umop apisdn| First year comp sci major. CRPG addict. > \/ 1.5, Basil P. Duval EPFL - CRPP 1015 Lausanne CH wrote: > >Hello World, > I think this would be a godsend platform for tcl/tk learning and >development, and would really LOVE to see a fully functioning version on >my Linux box. For the sheer hell of it, anyone making tclX and xf go in >this environment would get a loud cheer from me. > If tcl/tk is going to become popular, Linux is really going to be >important. I think a little FAQ on how to get the whole suite of things up >would be useful, but I dont't feel I have the expertise to so this myself. >Hey, I am trying to learn tcl/tk/tclX and xf on Linux, and have run into so >many brick walls on the compile side that I have lost steam. What problems? I got the original tck/tk sources from purdue and they compiled without a hitch on my system, as well as xf2.0, which really really kicks ass. The real bugger is that you have to REALLY watch the paths in the Makefile, else it'll belch, but other than that, it should work great. Try getting the originals from harbor.ecn.purdue.edu instead of someone else's precompiled binaries. - liem -- =======[ roland@cac.washington.edu ]======================================= Outside of a dog, computers are a man's best | UCS Consulting friend. Inside a dog, it's too dark to type.| UW Ice Hockey Co-Captain ================================================================[ LINUX] == ------------------------------ From: root@cac.washington.edu (System Administrator) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: Linux keeps using HD when I logged off.. Date: 2 Nov 1993 23:30:50 GMT In article <1993Nov2.123627.3480@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, Dragon Fly wrote: >Thanks God I have Slackware 1.0.5 set up >and running on my 486DX2-66 16M RAM. I have >16 Mb swap partition. What I noted is that even >if I logged off, the system pokes at hard disk with >about 1 min time interval for some mysterious >purpose. What does it do and would it be better >to somehow reduce HD usage especially when >I logged off ? > It's called 'syncing'. If it DIDN'T happen it wuold be cause for alarm. - liem -- =======[ roland@cac.washington.edu ]======================================= Outside of a dog, computers are a man's best | UCS Consulting friend. Inside a dog, it's too dark to type.| UW Ice Hockey Co-Captain ================================================================[ LINUX] == ------------------------------ From: pfau@cnj.digex.com (Thomas Pfau) Subject: A: How to obtain ld.so Date: 2 Nov 1993 19:02:07 -0500 It's in the GCC directories on the normal archive sites. On tsx-11.mit.edu, look in /pub/linux/GCC. -- tom_p | Mapmaker's Disclaimer: internet: pfau@cnj.digex.net | "Not Responsible for compuserve: 73303,1136 | Topographical Errors" ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux From: pclink@qus102.qld.tne.oz.au (Rick) Subject: INN (Was: LGX (Fall) CDROM review.) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 23:53:45 GMT phillip@status.gen.nz (Phillip Hardy) writes: >this is one of the key gripes. :) >i recompiled it and still have not got news running :( >what do you other linux users recoment >cnews / inn or what ever? I'd only previously used CNews before getting the LGX disk. After I discovered that it uses INN, I subscribed to the NNTP group. The general consensus seems to be that INN is superior to CNews, and if I ever get a real IP connection, then it's just a matter of tweaking the newsfeeds file to take full advantage of NNTP. I've uncovered only one problem, so far. My newsfeed is currently via UUCP, which makes a call at 6:00am to pick up the latest batch. If rnews starts feeding the batches to innd during the call, UUCP starts dropping packets like crazy and the call terminates with an error. I never had this problem with rnews feeding CNews during a call. My theory is that innd ups it priority during news unbatching, and uucico gets so little CPU time it can't keep up with the serial line. I haven't had the time to look at this closely, so I might be wrong. If anybody out there is having problems getting INN up, I can forward the configuration file and changes I had to make. Part of it is based on /pub/Linux/system/Mail/inn-1.4-linux-0.1.tar.gz from sunsite; if you want to hack it yourself, get this file as bash apparently needs a few patches (I didn't bother confirming this, I just patched bash). Rick. ------------------------------ From: joev@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Joseph W. Vigneau) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin Subject: Re: SVGA Text Modes and Recompiling Kernal Date: 3 Nov 1993 01:11:03 GMT I think I figured out how to enable SVGA text mode switching: use vga=ask in the /etc/lilo/config... I haven't tried it yet, someone else is using my computer, I'll check on it. -- joev@wpi.edu -- Joseph W. Vigneau Worcester Polytechnic Institute -- Computer Science Today's random number is 698820561. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************