From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 09:13:57 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #252 Linux-Misc Digest #252, Volume #1 Fri, 29 Oct 93 09:13:57 EDT Contents: login: shadow and lastlog won't work together?? (Mike Jagdis) 14400 bps Modem (SAM Technology) Re: What is Linux (was: Linux Community Divided ?) (Warner Losh) Re: Summary: Questions in non-help groups (Owen P. Crow) Re: SLS/Linux ad in BYTE! (Tim Smith) Gateway 2000 Pentium & Linux (prh) Re: TERM problems- Please help! (Eric Sulzner) TAMU ditribution (Tommy Haywood) Re: TERM problems- Please help! (Sam Sarmast) Re: TAMU ditribution (Tommy Haywood) size limit in lpr (DAVID L. JOHNSON) Re: Where can I find flexfax ? (Rick) BBS system (Michael Lo) Re: Term 1.0.7 (Glen Harris) Re: Term 1.0.7 (Glen Harris) Re: Term 1.0.7 (Glen Harris) Re: SLS flaming ! (Ronald Watkins) *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.06) (Ian Jackson) Re: SLS/Linux ad in BYTE! (Tomislav Goles) Re: TAMU ditribution (Andreas Helke) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jaggy@purplet.demon.co.uk (Mike Jagdis) Subject: login: shadow and lastlog won't work together?? Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 00:02:00 +0000 * In message <1993Oct27.023819.158@Princeton.EDU>, Louis P. Kruger said: LK> Has anyone else noticed that with the shadow version of LK> login (I use the one from SLS), the finger command fails to LK> display the last login time, saying instead the the user has never LK> logged in. No. But then I don't use SLS :-). LK> I tried a different login program, this fixed the problem with finger LK> but didn't support shadow passwords. Don't do things like that. The shadow stuff comes as a complete suite for a reason. If you substitute bits here and there it may fail to work in all kinds of interesting ways... LK> Does anyone have a login that LK> works with both????? Thanks very much. Use the shadow suite. Recompile finger paying particular attention to where it looks for lastlog and what format it expects to see in there. Works for me. Dunno what SLS's problem is. Mike ------------------------------ From: samtech@netcom.com (SAM Technology) Subject: 14400 bps Modem Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 04:20:53 GMT I can't get the Practical Peripheral Modem PM 14400 FXMT to work under linux. cu complains "got hangup signal" and kermit simply hangs up after attempting to dial. My old 2400 baud works just fine. Could someone please suggest an answer? Kindly email me at menon@eeg.com. Thanks very much, Vinod Menon ------------------------------ From: imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh) Subject: Re: What is Linux (was: Linux Community Divided ?) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 05:35:17 GMT In article <2ai0fp$4hh@news.cerf.net> andras@cyber.net (Andras Radics) writes: >Linux is a great opportunity for "doing Unix right". Hmmm. Big red flag here. There are many things wrong with Unix that would require breaking compatibility to fix. That's why Plan 9 exists, as I understand it (among other reasons). Brook's had an article in his Mythical Man Month book about the second system effect. I wonder if "doing Unix Right(tm)" falls into that category. >And an extra Thank You to those who've pioneered this effort! Agreed. Warner -- Warner Losh imp@boulder.parcplace.COM ParcPlace Boulder I've almost finished my brute force solution to subtlety. ------------------------------ From: ocrow@tamsun.tamu.edu (Owen P. Crow) Subject: Re: Summary: Questions in non-help groups Date: 29 Oct 1993 00:37:03 -0500 In article <1993Oct28.223906.1157@cc.gatech.edu>, Byron A Jeff wrote: >In addition from my observations many of the groups are write only becuase >the same questions come up over and over and over again. If posters just >scanned the last week of messages, much of the time they would find an >answer and would not have to post. Here, here! >Also many questions/answers can be found >in the FAQ's and HOWTO's. People don't read them much of the time. While this last sentence may be true it isn't necessarily true. People who find they're answers in the FAQs, HOWTOs, et al, don't post the annoying questions :-). >1) Don't answer inappropriate questions. >2) Direct people to the correct answers (HOWTO, FAQ, whatever). >3) Redirect questions to comp.os.linux.help. 4) If you're not too fed up with the question, give them a short answer in an _email_ reply _after_ you've pointed them to 2). Owen -- Owen Crow - ocrow@tamsun.tamu.edu - swell guy: "I had a cat named Snowball -- She died! She died!/Mom said she was sleeping -- She lied! She lied!/Why oh why is my cat dead?/Couldn't that Chrysler hit me instead?" - Lisa Simpson ------------------------------ From: tzs@stein3.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) Subject: Re: SLS/Linux ad in BYTE! Date: 29 Oct 1993 01:00:51 GMT Zeyd M. Ben-Halim wrote: >representation (aka false advertising). There is no mention of the >free nature of Linux nor an ackowledgement of Linus's copyright. How is either of those relevant for an ad? --Tim Smith ------------------------------ From: prh@essence.demon.co.uk (prh) Subject: Gateway 2000 Pentium & Linux Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 08:11:48 +0000 Greetings... Does anyone have any comments to make about the suitability of this combination? I have put my name on the waiting list for a pentium machine, so it would be useful to know of any gotchas. Gateway quote a 5-week "lead" time. Can anyone say whether this is realistic? -- Rgds Peter Humphrey | prh@essence.demon.co.uk | Voice 0932-343158 Woking, UK. | | Data 0932-353948 ------------------------------ From: esulzner@wooster.intel.com (Eric Sulzner) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development Subject: Re: TERM problems- Please help! Date: 29 Oct 1993 02:24:32 GMT Wow. Actually, setting the date back would probably work. There were a couple of posts about this in one of the col* groups yesterday. Seems it has to do with some date variable being signed/unsigned. Term 1.08 was released with a fix. It should be on sunsite, tsx etc. In article clau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Christopher Lau) writes: Anyone have any clues on this one: Here's the details: o On Monday, term was working fine o On Monday night, shutdown the system properly, powered down for the night. o On Tuesday morning, term doesn't work. It just sits there and hangs, nothing appears to go over the serial line (no flashing lights on the modem) o On Wednesday, term still doesn't work.. What I did: (*extensive* debugging deleted) -- Christopher Lau | Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, The University of Calgary | not an engineer! Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engg. | Well, you're an engineer now.. lau@enel.ucalgary.ca -OR- clau@acs.ucalgary.ca -OR- root@fusion.cuc.ab.ca -- Eric Sulzner esulzner@cadev6.intel.com disclaimer -> I am not speaking for Intel. ------------------------------ From: ins728f@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Tommy Haywood) Subject: TAMU ditribution Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 01:46:40 GMT I've heard a lot about SLS, slackware and the MCC release of linux and I have located them all at various ftp sites. I have started hearing about the TAMU release and people seem to think it is easier to install and is more robust than the other releases. I have been looking around for it at various ftp sites yet I haven't located it yet. I was wondering if someone would be so kind as to tell me where I may find it. ..Tom... a soon to be linux user... -- ******************************************************************************** Tom Haywood: 2nd Year Bachelor of Computer Science and Engineering, Monash Uni, Clayton, Victoria, Australia. Email: ins728f@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au, 11445246@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au, tommy@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ From: ssarmast@ucdacm (Sam Sarmast) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development Subject: Re: TERM problems- Please help! Date: 29 Oct 93 00:50:49 GMT Christopher Lau (clau@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote: : Anyone have any clues on this one: : Here's the details: : o On Monday, term was working fine : o On Monday night, shutdown the system properly, powered down for the night. : o On Tuesday morning, term doesn't work. It just sits there and hangs, : nothing appears to go over the serial line (no flashing lights on the modem) It's tuesday that's the problem. It seems the creater of TERM UN-intentionally left some type of bug in the code that caused term to bomb on oct 26. The fix: simple either get the patch that's floating around or pick up term108 from tsx-11 or sunsite. (I don't know if they're there yet but they should get there sooner or later) sam ------------------------------ From: ins728f@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Tommy Haywood) Subject: Re: TAMU ditribution Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 02:10:32 GMT >I have been looking around for it at various ftp sites yet I haven't located >it yet. I was wondering if someone would be so kind as to tell me where I >may find it. Don't worry I found it at sunsite.unc.edu about five minutes after I posted this. Looking at the files I wouldn't get this version, all dated at least 5 months ago. kernel patch 4 (how old??) Anyone know when the next version of SLS is due????? Or is there a newer version of TAMU somwhere?? -- ******************************************************************************** Tom Haywood: 2nd Year Bachelor of Computer Science and Engineering, Monash Uni, Clayton, Victoria, Australia. Email: ins728f@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au, 11445246@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au, tommy@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ From: dlj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID L. JOHNSON) Subject: size limit in lpr Date: 29 Oct 93 01:20:49 GMT I just got the new version of the epson dvi driver (eps-0.45) from tsx-11. After fussing for a while to get it to work, especially to get it to pass commands to MakeTeXPK correctly to make new fonts (this now works Great, thanks to the authors Neal and Michal), I was surprised to find that lpr choked on my 20 page paper. I guess previous version (eps-0.1 is what I used) bypassed the lp queue completely (and so you couldn't queue up printing jobs, either), but is it possible to enlarge the size of the buffer so I could pass a paper this size to lpr without breaking it apart? Does the new version of the lpr package avoid all this (I use SLS-1.02 still, and 0.99pl10)? -- David L. Johnson ID: dlj0@lehigh.edu Department of Mathematics Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA 18015 Telephone: 215-758-3759 (office) 215-282-3708 (home) #include ------------------------------ From: pclink@qus102.qld.tne.oz.au (Rick) Subject: Re: Where can I find flexfax ? Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 02:10:10 GMT sgi.com:sgi/fax/v2.2.1.src.tar.gz The faxaddmodem script in this release is broken. It's not difficult to do it manually, but if you need a working faxaddmodem, look in the mailing list archives on sgi.com or mail me. Rick. ------------------------------ From: ee_hflo@dma039.ust.hk (Michael Lo) Subject: BBS system Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 07:21:50 GMT Which BBS system in sunsite is the best ? Michael Lo ------------------------------ From: glen@paladine.ece.jcu.edu.au (Glen Harris) Subject: Re: Term 1.0.7 Date: 29 Oct 93 09:43:52 GMT In <1993Oct27.015850.126386@zeus.aix.calpoly.edu> ccallana@tuba.aix.calpoly.edu (Chris Callanan) writes: >anybody else notice problems with term 1.0.7???? seems like it just stopped >working.... Yeah! I'm using minicom at the moment and it _SUCKS_. Hmmm.... Maybe I'll try changine the date and see if that works..... Baffled minds want to know! -- ******************************************************************* * Glen Harris * 3D and Virtual Reality Groupie * * Don't mail here * Mail to: glen@wench.ece.jcu.edu.au * ******************************************************************* ------------------------------ From: glen@paladine.ece.jcu.edu.au (Glen Harris) Subject: Re: Term 1.0.7 Date: 29 Oct 93 09:46:59 GMT Opps! Forgot to include the symptoms! The local daemon sits there, and does nothing. When I try a termtelnet or trsh, there's no activity through the modem at all. Looks like the problem's at the local end, though the remote end migt be dead and we can't tell yet! -- ******************************************************************* * Glen Harris * 3D and Virtual Reality Groupie * * Don't mail here * Mail to: glen@wench.ece.jcu.edu.au * ******************************************************************* ------------------------------ From: glen@paladine.ece.jcu.edu.au (Glen Harris) Subject: Re: Term 1.0.7 Date: 29 Oct 93 10:21:44 GMT Well, changing the local date fixed the locat end, but the remote term process still doesn't work. A burst of data(small) comes back down the line, but it isn't followed by the normal connection messages. Patches anyone? 8-} -- ******************************************************************* * Glen Harris * 3D and Virtual Reality Groupie * * Don't mail here * Mail to: glen@wench.ece.jcu.edu.au * ******************************************************************* ------------------------------ From: rwatkins@crl.com (Ronald Watkins) Subject: Re: SLS flaming ! Date: 28 Oct 1993 20:31:34 -0700 Roderick Campbell (rcampbel@weejordy.physics.mun.ca) wrote: : I couldn't agree more. Surely with the FAQ still pointing to SLS, SLS : will continue to be the distribution of choice for linux newcomers. I : have used SLS for over a year and was suprised to see the hard : critisism of it by important linux developers. However, since I am : getting ready to do a scratch install, I think I'll try Slackware :-) I've been pleased to death with the MCC Interim release. It's only patchlevel 10, but I had few problems upgrading to pl13... just needed to dload the new keyboard mapping stuff. I'm a relative newbie to Unix, and the MCC release has been a god- send. You can ftp it from ftp.mcc.ac.uk. It's about 6.5MB zipped for a solid basic installation. -- Ron Watkins, aka <> | "In times of crisis, it is of utmost All opinions are my own: | importance to keep one's head." imbibe with sodium chloride! :) | -- M. Anoinette ------------------------------ From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson) Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.06) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 11:03:01 GMT Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of which groups you should read and post to. If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or from another Linux FTP site. It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce. In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!' The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place. Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not comp.os.linux.misc. Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions. Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in /pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq. Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration - should you post to comp.os.linux.misc. Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me ! -- Ian Jackson (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk) 2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England; phone: +44 223 64238 ------------------------------ From: goles@cs.utk.edu (Tomislav Goles) Subject: Re: SLS/Linux ad in BYTE! Date: 29 Oct 1993 08:12:22 -0400 In article <2apq03$6nt@news.u.washington.edu> tzs@stein3.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes: >Zeyd M. Ben-Halim wrote: >>representation (aka false advertising). There is no mention of the >>free nature of Linux nor an ackowledgement of Linus's copyright. > >How is either of those relevant for an ad? > I guess some of us feel that it is important to acknowledge the author of the product as well as not to mislead people into thinking that Linux is only available as a commercial product. >--Tim Smith Tom Goles Salomon Brothers Inc. tgoles@mhfl.sbi.com ------------------------------ From: andreas@orion.mgen.uni-heidelberg.de (Andreas Helke) Subject: Re: TAMU ditribution Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 12:05:45 GMT Tommy Haywood (ins728f@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote: : >I have been looking around for it at various ftp sites yet I haven't located : >it yet. I was wondering if someone would be so kind as to tell me where I : >may find it. : Don't worry I found it at sunsite.unc.edu about five minutes after I posted : this. : Looking at the files I wouldn't get this version, all dated at least 5 months : ago. kernel patch 4 (how old??) : Anyone know when the next version of SLS is due????? : Or is there a newer version of TAMU somwhere?? : -- : ******************************************************************************** : Tom Haywood: 2nd Year Bachelor of Computer Science and Engineering, Monash Uni, : Clayton, Victoria, Australia. Email: ins728f@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au, : 11445246@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au, tommy@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au The current tamu release is pl12 it is available at net.tamu.edu. This has Images for 3.5 and 5 inch disks. (17 5 inch). Tamu is not organized into tgz files. The only choice you have is whether you want X installed or not. With X included it takes about 60 MB. I found a european mirror of the 3.5 inch images at ftp.ibp.fr. X was very easy to get going. I only had to redefine the mouse from microsoft to logitec to get the first pictures onto my screen. Tamu has a config file where every clock is tried for every standard resolution. The chances are high, that some of the modes work for your card monitor combination. Others are outside of the range of your monitor, these have to be skipped quickly with the ctrl-alt-+ key combination. Basic network setup was automatic. But I still do not have a reliably functioning routing table. This has always been my problem with Linux Net-2. Your machine specifig network details get 'hidden' in /etc/install/system_config. This did at first hide a typoo from me until I found this file. I had a network number of 129.306.x.x which did of course not work. Andreas -- Andreas Helke Institut fuer molekulare Genetik, Universitaet Heidelberg Im Neuenheimer Feld 230 69122 Heidelberg ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************