From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 19:13:18 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #226 Linux-Misc Digest #226, Volume #1 Tue, 19 Oct 93 19:13:18 EDT Contents: Re: Please do NOT reply mail (Clemens Huebner) Re: an observation - SLS flaming results... (Dimitrios P. Bouras) 3 SLS problems (Ali_Kafel@vos.stratus.com) Re: Linux & SLC2 (Byron A Jeff) [Q] Can I use a CGA card and VGA card together? (Jon Scheer) Re: Keep SLS on monu1? (Greg Patten) Re: Bogomip (Eric Chris Garrison) Wanted: Volunteer for C-Browser Project (Eckehard Stolz) Re: Keep SLS on monu1? (Christopher Wingert) FS/370 (Can This Be For Real?) (David L. Craig) Anyone have a .mus for ncurses (to build curseperl)? (John Walder) XMahjogg sources wanted (Maxim Matveev) Re: a math library for linux? (William_F._Mitchell) Re: Linus Torvalds may be a just a persona created artificially! (William_F._Mitchell) Re: Linux & SLC2 (Wally Iimura) Re: linux utility for backups over several floppies? (Grant Edwards) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: huebner@lkn.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Clemens Huebner) Subject: Re: Please do NOT reply mail Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 15:21:19 GMT In article <1993Oct15.213703.13074.chiark.ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu>, iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) writes: |> (This thread belongs in col.misc, not col.help. |> Followups are redirected.) |> |> In article , |> Clemens Huebner wrote: |> >You forget a major point WHY many people ask for a reply by E-Mail: |> >Many people can't ,for various reasons follow the newsgroups |> >regularly. So it is much more convenient for them to get an e-mail |> >reply they can't miss. Note that most of them don't say: dont post a |> >follow-up. They say they want reply by e-mail for their convenience. |> >So feel free to post the reply, but honor their wish to get it per |> >e-mail |> |> On the contrary - what they are doing is very rude. If they don't |> have time to read the newsgroup they won't be able to tell whether |> their question has been answered. |> |> If they then post to the group they are implicitly valuing their time |> at 10 or 100 times that of each of the readers of col.help. This is |> extremely discourteous. |> |> The real reason answers should be sent by email is so that the |> questioner can, if appropriate, produce one single summary of the |> replies they received, rather than there being n dozen postings in the |> group. |> |> |> PS: Clemens, I had to reformat your posting to make it readable. Try |> using your editor's reformat paragraph command next time. Postings |> with lines lengths over 75-80 characters are hard to read. |> -- |> Ian Jackson, at home or |> PGP2 public key available on server. Urgent email: |> 2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England; phone: +44 223 64238 Sorry about the format, won't happen again. I had the editor run in a VERY large xterm and saw that only after posting. To the subject: I can only repeat: There are people who don't have access to the internet. Some of them can ask a friend to post an article for them, though. But you can't ask of somebody who posts the article for you, to continually scan the newsboard for replies. But it's quite easy to forward e-mailed replies. -- ============================================================================== Clemens Huebner huebner@pollux.lkn.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Giessuebl 4 huebner@alex.lkn.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de 82279 Eching a.A huebner@beethoven.lkn.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Germany Linux -- the free 32-bit OS Tel.+Fax ++4981431480 ============================================================================== ------------------------------ From: dimitri@ee.ubc.ca (Dimitrios P. Bouras) Subject: Re: an observation - SLS flaming results... Reply-To: dimitri@ee.ubc.ca Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 15:21:21 GMT In article <1993Oct19.045222.27422@engr.engr.uark.edu>, hbj@engr.engr.uark.edu (Bernard Johnson) writes: > keith@ursa.com (Keith Hollister) writes: > > >> SLS reminds me of a three-legged rhinocerous in full charge. > >> It's huge, damaged, has lots of inertia and is best avoided > >> if at all possible. > > Sounds more like Windows 3.1 to me. > > Bernard Johnson > hbj@engr.engr.uark.edu So, why can't the SLS people gather all the bug reports/complaints off the net and get everything fixed? Seems like the most obvious solution to me. Unless they're doing this part time, and it's getting far too complicated and time consuming. SLS has potential, I think, it just needs a bit of polishing! Dimitri ------------------------------ From: Ali_Kafel@vos.stratus.com Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: 3 SLS problems Date: 19 Oct 1993 16:13:46 GMT I have successfully installed SLS 1.03: a1-a4, b1-b7 and c1-c3. In general, it all woks quite well (thanks to the excellent Installation Guide) However, I have the following three problems. 1. when I tried 'cc test.c -g -o test', I get ld: No such file or directory for libg (I searched the while fs for libg.a but it wasn't found) 2. When I tried 'man cp', I get man: unable to find the file /usr/lib/manpath.config (Indeed /usr/lib/manpath.config was not found either) 3. When I tried 'emacs', I get Segmentation fault (core dumped). (During the install I had a warning that xshlib.tgz should be installed but that file was also not on my fs). In summary, it appears that three files were missing from the disks I used: libg.a, manpath.config and xshlib.tgz. Any ideas? ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux From: byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) Subject: Re: Linux & SLC2 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 17:28:44 GMT In article , Roberto Lambooy wrote: >I was just wondering if anybody has any experience with Linux on a 486SLC-2 >at either 50 or 66 MhZ. How will does it run? How well does XWindows run? >Any experience is welcome. Thanks. I'd like to hear too because I'm considering buying an SLC-2 motherboard. I also have some issues about the SLC-2 that I want to verify: - Is it the same as a 486DX/2 without the math coprocessor? i.e. 32 bit bus, 66 Mhz internal, 33 Mhz external right? - It has a 16K cache instead of a 8K like the Intel parts. - Can it interface to external coprocessors any faster than 33 Mhz? - Have any Norton, Landmark, or specmark numbers on it? This is the deal. Some companies are selling 486SLC-2 MB with coprocessors in the $450. This is the same price ballpark as a 486DX40 from AMD and about $70 more than an Intel 486DX33. However since it is a full 33/66 486 and has double the cache it should blow both the others out the water for integer performance. I'm just trying to find the pitfall of the IBM SLC2 motherboard. Any suggestions? Of course my ideal MB would have an AMD 486DX2/80 on it. But I haven't heard if AMD is working on it or if/when it will be released. BTW Roberto there is no reason to think that this MB won't run Linux like any other 486 based MB. But if my perceptions are correct then you should get 486DX2/66 ballpark performance (except for floating point) for $200 less. As for X it's more a function of the video card than the MB. Look at S3 for best performance. Any help appriciated. BAJ --- Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of... Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel! Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu ------------------------------ From: scheer@rtsg.mot.com (Jon Scheer) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: [Q] Can I use a CGA card and VGA card together? Date: 19 Oct 1993 17:01:54 GMT Greetings, My question is: Can I use a CGA card and VGA card together at the same time in a Linux box? Yes, this is a strange request. I've read through FAQ's, hardware lists, etc, and I haven't seen anything that addresses my question. (I might not have looked in the most recent versions.) Here's the scoop. I currently have a Linux '386 box with VGA card, etc. I also have an older PC (running MSDos) that I'm thinking about turning into a environment monitor -- monitor temperatures, etc. I have a CGA card that can output composite video. My plan was to run some software on the MSDos box and have it display nice graphs and such in low res CGA mode. This way I could run the CGA output to one of my video inputs on my TV. I've tested bits and pieces of this setup and everything is happy. Well, I'd like to be able to access the environment information on my Linux box. I was originally thinking of networking the two boxes together, then thought it would be cheaper to use a serial (or parallel) link to transfer the information (whip up my own 'protocol' for transferring the information). Now, my latest thoughts are to just put the environment box functionality into the Linux box (I'd prefer to write the environment software to run under Linux instead of MSDos). So, I was wondering if it's possible to run the CGA card (in graphics mode) in my Linux box without affecting the VGA card (ie, I'd like to still run X-windows). I remember reading some stuff a long time ago that VGA cards were designed so they could operate in graphics mode with other graphics cards. I don't remember any of the details, and the above information may not be correct. Has anyone heard of or attempted such a setup? :-? Given that this probably isn't a common request, feel free to email me the replies and I'll summarize if there's interest. Thank you. Jon 10/19/93 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Work: scheer@rtsg.mot.com or motcid!scheer@UUNET.UU.NET Home: wombat@outback.chi.il.us or outback!wombat@UUNET.UU.NET TANSTAAFL -- There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch -- ------------------------------ From: s936079@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Greg Patten) Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux Subject: Re: Keep SLS on monu1? Date: 19 Oct 1993 17:28:35 GMT Reply-To: greg@loose.apana.org.au tym@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Tim MacKenzie) writes: >I'm running a bit short of disk space on the monu1.cc.monash.edu.au linux >archive. I'm considering deleting the SLS distribution from there and >keeping slackware (and everything else that's there). Having installed SLS a couple of times might I humbly suggest you blow it away post haste. >Opinions anyone? That is mine. -- Greg Patten greg@loose.apana.org.au ------------------------------ From: ericg@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Eric Chris Garrison) Subject: Re: Bogomip Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 18:15:12 GMT In article , wrote: >choltje@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Christian Holtje) writes: > >>>>>>>Two more datapoints: >>>>>>>486DX-33 -----> 16.5 bogomips >>>>>>>486DLC-33 -----> 11.2 bogomips (Cyrix cross between 386 and 486) >>>>>>386DX-25 --> 3.91 BogoMips(tm). >>>>>386DX-33/387DX-33 --> 6.03 BogoMips(tm) >>>> 486DX66/2 --> 34.06 BogoMips (tm) >>>386DX40 ---> 6.99 BogoMips (tm) >>486DX50/2 ---> 25.0 BogoMips (tm) >486SX25 ---> 12.24 BogoMips (tm) 386DX40 ---> 7.29 BogoMips (tm) I wonder why mine is faster than the other 386DX40? I only have 4 meg of memory. Maybe it is the disk drive? I have around a 19 ms access time... Eric ------------------------------ From: stolz@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Eckehard Stolz) Subject: Wanted: Volunteer for C-Browser Project Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 18:50:27 GMT ########### PLEASE SEND ANSWERS TO: stolz@fiffi.sta.sub.org ################ ########### DO NOT REPLY !!!! ################ Hi ! I posted a question in this newsgroup about a C-Browser-Tool and got many answers! Thanks to all of you for you effort ! Unfortunatly, noone was really satisfactory (also the couple of mails regarding XCoral) ! So I began to write a browser-Tool for Linux. My intention is to provide a tool, which can tell me the following things: for functions: - where is it defined - which parameters does it have - which functions does it call (normal/library) - by which functions is it called itself - which global data does it use - which scope does it have - print a call-tree from this function (including/excluding functions, and special library-calls) for variables: - which Type - which scope - where is variable defined - where is it used (which function/module) - where is the type defined [...to be continued ...] This tool should be able to produce listings but should also be interactive, so you can enter a function and you get all the information shown in a window. This might be useful for analysis of unknown C-code ! How should it be done: You need a parser for C, which should be as close to the GCC as possible. Well, I took the one which is provided by GNU and patched the GCC (2.4.5) itself ! While parsing a C-File, GCC produces a Browser-File, containing the needed information in an easy-to-parse way. I've choosen a tagged ASCII-format, since it can be processed through various Un*x-tools ! What's working allready: GCC does produce this browser-file (still buggy, of course), and I have a flex-Programm called "calls", which tells my the functions, which are called by a specific function. I need people, who are willing to contribute to this project. Maybe, in a final state, it will be a kind of CASE-tool, at least for reverse-engineering unknown C-Code. I am a little short of time right now, so they might have to make most of the work by themselfs ! What is needed now are people, who are experienced in writing user-interface-programs with a lot of interacitivity. If it would be in X11, I would appreciate it too ! I am not willing to make a public release, unless there are some useful tools present ! Comments are wellcome, but if you want to contribute, you need at least 30 Meg free disk-space to compile the GCC 2.4.5 sources ! O.k., that's enough for now, please email me if you're interested. Eckehard Stolz stolz@fiffi.sta.sub.org or stolz@informatik.tu-muenchen.de ------------------------------ From: crw@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Christopher Wingert) Subject: Re: Keep SLS on monu1? Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 17:52:59 GMT >>I'm running a bit short of disk space on the monu1.cc.monash.edu.au linux >>archive. I'm considering deleting the SLS distribution from there and >>keeping slackware (and everything else that's there). > >>Opinions anyone? >>-- >>-Tim MacKenzie (tym@dibbler.cs.monash.edu.au) > >...if you have been logging the downloads, then your answer will be in there. Yeah, delete the log. :-) -- Regards, Christopher ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Christopher R. Wingert | They say the empty can rattles | | Programmer / Analyst | the most...The sound of your own | | Christopher.Wingert@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com | voice, must soothe you.... | | Direct Phone (619) 597-3533 | Metallica | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: dlc@access.digex.net (David L. Craig) Crossposted-To: comp.lang.asm370,comp.unix.misc Subject: FS/370 (Can This Be For Real?) Date: 19 Oct 1993 14:54:41 -0400 I have just received a Product Overview for FS/370, a S/370 emulator for Intel 80386 UNIX systems. If this literature is to be believed, one can obtain for $5000 US software that will emulate S/370 architecture sufficiently enough to run OS/MVT, VM (I assume VM/370 pre-SP), and possibly MVS and DOS/VSE. Has anybody else heard of these guys? The company is: Liberty Computer, Inc. 14674 North 78th Way Scottsdale, AZ 85260 (800) 422-3638 They appear to be teamed with another Arizona firm that provides bus and tag adapter cards for ISA bus machines. It is unclear if that hardware is needed (along with some honest-to-God CKD (or FBA!) DASD) to emulate all the devices they claim to support. They claim their product makes a 486/33 = a 4331. Talk about sounding too good to be true... I need to give management an opinion. Have these folks succeeded in making Linus look like a kindergartener? ------------------------------ From: walder@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (John Walder) Crossposted-To: comp.lang.perl Subject: Anyone have a .mus for ncurses (to build curseperl)? Date: 19 Oct 1993 19:03:20 GMT Has anyone modified curses.mus to add the features specific to ncurses? I will be doing it in the near future if nobody else has done it to build curseperl. - John ------------------------------ From: mmatveev@boi.hp.com (Maxim Matveev) Subject: XMahjogg sources wanted Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 19:02:04 GMT Hi! Can anybody gives me a tips there I can find a sources of Mahjogg Chinise solitare. Or may be somebody already compiles it for native VGA mode (640x480)? Thanks in advance, Max mmatveev@hpbs669.boi.hp.com ------------------------------ From: mitchell@cam.nist.gov (William_F._Mitchell) Subject: Re: a math library for linux? Date: 19 Oct 93 18:45:37 GMT Reply-To: mitchell@cam.nist.gov In article <299k2h$kt8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, hxt6@po.CWRU.Edu (Hoa Ton-That) writes: |> |> I am looking for a math library for the linux operating system. Does one |> exist? and if so how can I get it? (in particular I need FFT and trig |> routines). If you're looking for the math library to link into your C programs, the SLS distribution (at least) contains libm.so.4.4.2. I also see libm.so.4.3.3.z in the ls-lR from sunsite, so if you don't already have it you can get it there. If you're looking for higher level mathematical software packages, there's tons of stuff at netlib. Send email to netlib@ornl.gov containing the message 'send index' to learn what's there and how to get it. Or ftp to research.att.com and give 'netlib' as the login name. Most of this is fortran source, but there is also some stuff in C. I expect the trig functions are in libm, and you would want fftpack from netlib. -- -- Bill William F. Mitchell | mitchell@cam.nist.gov National Institute of Standards and Technology | na.mitchell@na-net.ornl.gov If anything looks like an opinion, NIST does not necessarily agree with it. If anything looks like an official NIST or government statement, it's not. ------------------------------ From: mitchell@cam.nist.gov (William_F._Mitchell) Subject: Re: Linus Torvalds may be a just a persona created artificially! Date: 19 Oct 93 19:17:00 GMT Reply-To: mitchell@cam.nist.gov In article , gthaker@atl.ge.com (Gautam H. Thaker) writes: |> |> I have this theory that Linus Torvalds is not a real person at all! |> "Linus" is in fact a persona created (perhaps by a group of graduate |> students) to project this aura of superhuman. And who was it that placed those gif files at tsx-11 with photos of "Linus"? I suspect they were taken at a frat party and later used to propagate the myth of this persona "Linus". -- -- Bill William F. Mitchell | mitchell@cam.nist.gov National Institute of Standards and Technology | na.mitchell@na-net.ornl.gov If anything looks like an opinion, NIST does not necessarily agree with it. If anything looks like an official NIST or government statement, it's not. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux From: iimura@microunity.com (Wally Iimura) Subject: Re: Linux & SLC2 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 19:55:47 GMT byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes: >In article , >Roberto Lambooy wrote: >>I was just wondering if anybody has any experience with Linux on a 486SLC-2 >>at either 50 or 66 MhZ. How will does it run? How well does XWindows run? >>Any experience is welcome. Thanks. >I'd like to hear too because I'm considering buying an SLC-2 motherboard. >I also have some issues about the SLC-2 that I want to verify: >- Is it the same as a 486DX/2 without the math coprocessor? i.e. 32 bit > bus, 66 Mhz internal, 33 Mhz external right? >- It has a 16K cache instead of a 8K like the Intel parts. >- Can it interface to external coprocessors any faster than 33 Mhz? >- Have any Norton, Landmark, or specmark numbers on it? >This is the deal. Some companies are selling 486SLC-2 MB with coprocessors >in the $450. This is the same price ballpark as a 486DX40 from AMD and about >$70 more than an Intel 486DX33. However since it is a full 33/66 486 and >has double the cache it should blow both the others out the water for integer >performance. I'm just trying to find the pitfall of the IBM SLC2 motherboard. I saw a table in the Sept. issue of BYTE magazine that the IBM SLC2 chip had a 16-bit data bus and the fact that you can add simms in pairs seems to confirm this fact. Some of the MB that I have seen have only 4 simm slots so 16MB is the max you can install with 4MB simms. Wally Iimura iimura@MicroUnity.com ------------------------------ From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) Subject: Re: linux utility for backups over several floppies? Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 16:09:47 GMT David Barr (barr@pop.psu.edu) wrote: : In article <1993Oct18.211542.18926@rosevax.rosemount.com>, : Grant Edwards wrote: : >God, let's hope not. Dump is the most evel program ever written (I : >don't mind restore quite as much). : For god's sake, why? dump/restore is the only widely-available : backup program that does true multi-level backups. After a : catastrophic disk failure, I wouldn't want anything else to restore : from. I guess it's personal preference but I find tar much easier to use. : >If you knew how many hours have been wasted trying to find a : >combination of BPI and tape length that will put 150M of stuff onto : >a DC6150... : Sounds like a simple problem to me. Doesn't the 6150 have a known : density and tape length? If not if you know how much you can : fit on the tape, it's a simple matter to fudge the BPI and caclulate : the length based on the "assumed" BPI. It sounded like a simple problem to me, also. Maybe the SunOS version of dump is damaged, but my dump would apparently only use certain "valid" values of BPI and length. It took a _lot_ of trial-and-error to find numbers it liked that would fill a DC6150. (And each try took 10-15 minutes.) If dump would just let you tell it how many bytes to write per volume, I wouldn't hate it so much. Maybe it was all operator error, but I've been using Unix for over 10 years, and have always found dump very hard to use. : Don't throw away the book just because it has an ugly cover. OK, but what if I've read the book and I _still_ don't like it. -- Grant Edwards |Yow! You mean now I can Rosemount Inc. |SHOOT YOU in the back and |further BLUR th' distinction grante@rosemount.com |between FANTASY and REALITY? ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************