From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 11:13:10 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #219 Linux-Misc Digest #219, Volume #1 Sun, 17 Oct 93 11:13:10 EDT Contents: Re: CURSES: What are the correct compile line options & #include file? (Dante) Re: Linux Slowly Dying Off? + Lets make a game for Linux (Tim Smith) Re: Linux Magazine (Jay Lawrence) Re: Is there a better vi? (Michael Paul Lucking) Linux on Disk: 386/486 Unix clone w/X-Windows and much more (linux@ditdah.Morse.Net) Re: >Re: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING (Wolfgang Schelongowski) Re: Linux Magazine... (Gwan-Hwan Hwang) Re: Is there a better vi? (Andrew J. Cosgriff) *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.05) (Ian Jackson) Re: Don't use SLS (Re: Which linux should I install...or which is best?) (Eran Lachs) New experimental Yggdrasil LGX boot floppy (Yggdrasil Computing) Re: Does Library code inhibit commercial software? (Warner Losh) Re: Is there a better vi? (Roger C. Pao) Re: SLS, MCC, TAMU, and GCC (Re: Don't use SLS) (Weimin Zhao) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gt2584a@prism.gatech.EDU (Dante) Subject: Re: CURSES: What are the correct compile line options & #include file? Date: 17 Oct 93 05:13:32 GMT In article <2CBF204A.16047@news.service.uci.edu> Jeffrey A. Stern writes: > >gcc -lcurses -o sample sample.c > as always, you MUST do any explicit library linking at the END of the command line. e.g.: gcc -o sample sample.c -lcurses -ltermcap (curses uses some things from the termcap library also, and needs them linked in) -- "If I thought my answer were to one who might ever return to the world, this flame would shake no more; but since from this depth none have ever returned alive, I answer you without fear of infamy." from Dante's _The Inferno_, XXVII, ll. 61-66. ------------------------------ From: tzs@stein3.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development Subject: Re: Linux Slowly Dying Off? + Lets make a game for Linux Date: 17 Oct 1993 05:36:28 GMT [This has nothing to do with development, so followups are set to .misc.] Chris Nystrom wrote: [He installed Linux at work, and impressed all the DOS users with networking, virtual terminals, and accessing DOS floppies] >dos? Should be interesting. We got a copy of SCO sitting on the shelf... I'm confused. Won't SCO do all the stuff you were doing with Linux? Why is it just sitting on the shelf there? --Tim Smith ------------------------------ From: jjlawren@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Jay Lawrence) Subject: Re: Linux Magazine Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 05:24:39 GMT In article , Ryan Grant wrote: >zzassgl@gl.mcc.ac.uk () writes: >>Sreekar Shastry (sreekar@panix.com) wrote: >>: >>>>> On Fri, 8 Oct 1993 11:12:55 GMT, zzassgl@gl.mcc.ac.uk () said: > >>: Geoff> and a nice VGA based reader program developed? >>: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>: It already exists, its called xdvi. > >I would like to seriously propose the entire thing be done in HTML markup >language, for distribution on the World Wide Web. One popular reader for >WWW documents is NCSA Mosaic, which is available for Linux. >For those not already familiar with HTML, it is a multimedia hypertext >language, allowing text, sound, pictures, and movies to be combined in a >hypertext document. > >>Doesn't xdvi require X windows? Some people don't run X windows. >Other WWW browsers exist, including ANSI mode readers (Lynx). Hear hear! I second that motion. By creating html friendly document source you dramaticly increase your range of distribution. There are several authoring solutions, the most obvious being LaTeX. There is info on the LaTeX -> HTML package available, I've just forgotten the URL at the moment. Others should be coming...hopefully a good HTML editor proper. Jay ------------------------------ From: mlucking@cs.uah.edu (Michael Paul Lucking) Subject: Re: Is there a better vi? Reply-To: mlucking@cs.uah.edu Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 06:41:38 GMT In article rpao@mts.mivj.ca.us (Roger C. Pao) writes: >P.S.: Please don't tell me to use emacs. If it had a macro package >that made it look exactly like WordStar, then I might think about it. ^^^^^^^^ You might want to check out an editor names joe. It is become a standard part of most distributions these days. It uses all the WordStar commands. >-- >Roger C. Pao {gordius,bagdad}!mts!rpao, rpao@mts.mivj.ca.us -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Michael Paul Lucking mlucking@cs.uah.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Never say you don't know- nod wisely, leave calmly, then run like hell to ------------------------------ From: linux@ditdah.Morse.Net Subject: Linux on Disk: 386/486 Unix clone w/X-Windows and much more Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 06:14:19 GMT Low-Cost SLS Version of Linux on Diskette Linux is a freely redistributable version of the Unix(tm) Operating System which runs on 80386 and 80486 PC Compatible machines. This software is a full version of Unix which contains all the standard utilities and more, including: TCP/IP, SLIP Networking C and C++ Compilers and other development tools Various Language Translators UUCP and Usenet Software Several popular editors including GNU Emacs. X Windows system. DOS Emulator For your convenience, we now have 24 hour, toll-free ordering and can accept both American Express and Optima. Many of our customers have requested technical support and we are pleased to announce that thirty days of software support via phone and email is now included with each order. The version we distribute is SLS 1.03 which contains the Linux Kernel version .99 patch level 12. Disk 'A1' is the bootable diskette which will bring up Linux and take you through the installation procedure. A breakdown of the packages contained in this release is as follows: Base Release: Disks A1-A4, B1-B7, C1-C3 Source Code: Disk S1 Documentation: Disks D1-D2 TeX formatter: Disks T1-T3 X Windows: Disks X1-X10 The full release (30 diskettes) is priced at: 5 1/4" Diskettes: $37.99 + $5.00 S/H (2nd Day USPS) 3 1/2" Diskettes: $49.99 + $5.00 S/H (2nd Day USPS) All orders are shipped via second-day, USPS priority mail. Linux is currently available on many Internet sites including TSX-11.MIT.EDU and others. We offer this as a service to those who don't have the time or resources to download such a large distribution. This version can be installed directly from diskette in about 30 minutes time. Unless explicitly stated to the contrary, all of Linux is copylefted under the GNU Public License (GPL). SLS extensions are copyrighted by Softlanding Systems. You may not claim any part of Linux as your own. This assures that future users of Linux will be able to obtain it as freely as everyone else has already. Additional technical support for Linux is available through us with the purchase of a service contract. Linux Support Service contracts are available in monthly, quarterly, and yearly terms. Rates begin at $19.95/month, per machine, and discounts are given for both quarterly and yearly subscribers. See our additional posting in this newsgroup or send email to lssinfo@Morse.Net. Terms of payment are one of the following: American Express / Optima Cards Personal Check Bank money order COD cash or cashiers check (COD charge is an additional $4.50) All sales are final. No refunds are given on software. It is our policy to replace defective disks or disks damaged in shipment For credit card or COD orders please call us, toll-free, at 800-706-4046 or you may email your order to us at order@Morse.Net. If you wish, you may prepay your order by mailing a check to the address below. Be sure to indicate the type of disk you wish. Morse Telecommunications 24 Prospect Avenue East Rockaway, NY 11518 For order inquiries or other information, please call (516) 887-4046. ------------------------------ From: ws@xivic.bo.open.de (Wolfgang Schelongowski) Subject: Re: >Re: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 13:29:45 MEST gareth@gblinux.demon.co.uk (Gareth Bult) writes: > On Wed, 13 Oct 93 21:00:23 GMT; > ----Helmut Geyer (geyer@polyhymnia.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de) said: > > >The authority comes from the charter of the c.o.l.* hierarchy > > And the 'charter' is what exactly? > > Sorry, but you didn't answer the question. The charter that has been voted for with overwhelming majority just a few months ago. It is in another of those regular postings: Welcome to the comp.os.linux.* hierarchy Matt Welsh (mdw@sunsite.unc.edu) posted it to all c.o.l. groups about Oct 2. Just another of those regular postings. ------------------------------ From: ghhwang@pllab1 (Gwan-Hwan Hwang) Subject: Re: Linux Magazine... Date: 17 Oct 1993 08:51:21 GMT Reply-To: ghhwang@cs.nthu.edu.tw I will subscribe. -- Sincerely Yours ======================================================================= Gwan-Hwan Hwang Department of Computer Science ghhwang@cs.nthu.edu.tw National Tsing Hua University TEL: 886-35-715131-x3900 Hsinchu, Taiwan , R.O.C. 886-35-554147(home) ======================================================================= ------------------------------ From: ins407x@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew J. Cosgriff) Subject: Re: Is there a better vi? Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 02:13:27 GMT rpao@mts.mivj.ca.us (Roger C. Pao) writes: >So, anyone have a vi which is really vi compatible? The ``vi''s I know of are elvis (the one in SLS/MCC/etc.), vile (never used it), xvi (quite nice), and vim (also pretty good). >P.S.: Please don't tell me to use emacs. If it had a macro package >that made it look exactly like WordStar, then I might think about it. Emacs 19 has a Wordstar mode (although I haven't looked at it). If it's wordstar keybindings you're after, you might like to look at one of : JOE (world.std.com:src/editors/joe1.0.8.tar.Z) (a big improvement on the 0.1.5 included in SLS/MCC/etc) JED (amy.tch.harvard.edu:pub/jed) (very nice - even has its own macro/scripting language) You're better off asking on comp.editors about this... Enjoy, Andrew. -- -Andrew J. Cosgriff- andrew@bing.apana.org.au ins407x@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au APANA, the Australian Public Access Network Association. Mail info@apana.org.au "What's another word for Thesaurus ?" (Steve Wright) ------------------------------ From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson) Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.05) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 10:03:01 GMT Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of which groups you should read and post to. If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or from another Linux FTP site. In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!' The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place. Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not comp.os.linux.misc. Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions. Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in /pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq. Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration - should you post to comp.os.linux.misc. Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me ! -- Ian Jackson (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk) 2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England; phone: +44 223 64238 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Don't use SLS (Re: Which linux should I install...or which is best?) From: eran@bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Eran Lachs) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 00:28:59 GMT Putting in my $0.02 worth: I've been using/installing/recommending SLS since practically day one, with minor problems solved by fetching original sources via ftp, compiling and installing. Andrej Bauer (Andrej.Bauer@ijs.si) wrote: : 1) Installation of SLS via network (NFS) did not work. I had to hack : the sysinstall file and mount NFS manually. Although it took a few trys (maybe I haven't read all there is to read about this ...) the network installation worked like a charm (as a matter of fact, I installed 1.03 2 weeks ago) WITHOUT having to edit a single file. : 2) File permisions all over the filesystem are wrong. If I remember : correctly, those were 'world writable' files which shouldn't really : be writable. I haven't stumbled uppon a file permission problem since. In my opinion, SLS is a great way to enter the Linux world. From there, add/customize/be-creative to your heart's content. Thanks Peter. -Eran Eran Lachs email: eran@bgumail.bgu.ac.il System Group phone: +972 7 461745 Ben Gurion University Computation Center fax: +972 7 236090 Beer Sheva, Israel ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: yci@netcom.com (Yggdrasil Computing) Subject: New experimental Yggdrasil LGX boot floppy Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 10:08:33 GMT There is an image of a new experimental LGX boot floppy in netcom.com:~ftp/pub/yggdrasil/boot-floppies/bootflpy.3in.revA. This boot floppy should solve the problems that people have been having with their systems hanging after SCSI detection. The problems with systems hanging apparently had two separate causes: 1. The PC speaker sound driver does not get a long with some motherboards. The new boot floppy has the PC speaker sound driver turned off. 2. Because of a last minute screw-up, the Ultrastor driver was not using the IO port reservation system that the rest of the kernel was using. This problem has been fixed. If you have an Ultrastor SCSI controller, you will want to replace the version of the kenrel that is installed on your hard disk after you have done the installation. After you have done the installation, boot the hard disk using the boot floppy (for example, type "linux_hda1" to the "boot: " prompt if your newly installed root partition is on /dev/hda1), then, once the system has booted, log in as root and do the following: mount /dev/fd0 /mnt cp /mnt/vmlinux /vmlinux lilo -C /etc/lilo/config If you do not have an Ultrastor controller, you can do the above procedure, or you can simply comment out the "splay" command in the /etc/rc.file that the install script installs on your hard disk. Note that this is an image of a low density floppy rather than a high density one, so be sure to RAWRITE this image to a low density floppy. If these changes appear to work, I will post an announcement to comp.os.linux and I will make the kernel source diffs and images of the boot disk for other floppy disk formats available. Please try this new floppy image as soon as possible. -- Adam J. Richter Yggdrasil Computing, Incorporated 409 Evelyn Ave., Apt. 312, Albany CA 94706 4880 Stevens Creek Blvd., Suite 205 (510) 528-3209 (408) 261-6630, fax: (408) 261-6631 adam@netcom.com yggdrasil@netcom.com Another member of the League for Programming Freedom (lpf@uunet.uu.net). ------------------------------ From: imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh) Subject: Re: Does Library code inhibit commercial software? Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 07:06:08 GMT In article <1993Oct16.000743.6476@omphalos.equinox.gen.nz> david@omphalos.equinox.gen.nz (David Liebert) writes: >I may be completely wrong, but wouldn't the Gnu Copyleft prohibit >binary distributions of commercial software for Linux? I think that I might be qualified to answer this question, given some recent activities of mine. I don't think there are any other binary only distributions on Linux, except for the Motif folks. No, it does not. The GLPL is a specailized version of the GPL designed to allow commercial developers to distribute code linked against gnu libraries, subject to certain terms and conditions. The biggest one being that the end user must be allowed to relink the binaries with their own .o's/libraries. The shared mechanism on Linux is sufficent, IMHO, to cover this requirement. Warner -- Warner Losh imp@boulder.parcplace.COM ParcPlace Boulder I've almost finished my brute force solution to subtlety. ------------------------------ From: rpao@mts.mivj.ca.us (Roger C. Pao) Subject: Re: Is there a better vi? Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 12:20:42 GMT tgcpwd@rwb.urc.tue.nl (Wim van Dorst/Prof. Penninger) writes: >Roger C. Pao writes: >>I can't do real >>vi operations like Ctrl-Shift-^ to switch between the last two files. >The Ctrl-Shift stuff is not real vi, since they are not normal Unix >keying. To switch between multiple files you have: The actual key sequence is Ctrl-6. In any case, it works on "Version SVR4.0", but not on the Linux supplied vi. "Version SVR4.0" comes from typing ":ver". >>I can't do a colon operation like ":123,s/tic/tac/g" and expect it to >>substitute all occurrances of tic for tac starting from line 123 to where >>the cursor is currently. >You made a typo: >:123,.s/tic/tac/g > ^ Actually, I did not make a typo. The '.' is not explicitly stated; it is implied. Once again, it works on SVR4. rp93 -- Roger C. Pao {gordius,bagdad}!mts!rpao, rpao@mts.mivj.ca.us ------------------------------ From: wzhao@mcs.kent.edu (Weimin Zhao) Subject: Re: SLS, MCC, TAMU, and GCC (Re: Don't use SLS) Date: 17 Oct 1993 15:06:47 GMT I just helped a friend to install her first Linux on a 486/66 with SMC ethernet card, IDE HD, and S3 805 video chipset. We used the latest SLS. After installing the base (a,b,c), X (x1-x10), and XS3, X worked out fine. But, C++ compiler and network didn't work at all! We have to grab gcc-2.4.5 and net-2 to get the thing running. My point: SLS is not as reliable as it used to be, especially for the first-time installation on a fresh harddisk. Another story: this is on my home PC, which has a UltraStor 34F and SCSI HD. I accidentally deleted /etc/utmp file, following instructions in bootutils-0.1! All of a sudden, I can't login after reboot. To fix the problem: 1) Grabed SLS a1.3: Can't recognize my SCSI controller at all; 2) Grabed Image.UltraStor: can't mount my scsi HD because of "bad superblocks;" 3) Grabed TAMU bootdisk: can't mount my HD with a wierd error number (4620?), maybe because of the fs is ext2 type; 4) Grabed MCC bootdisk: ABLE to mount my HD and modify /etc/rc file; 5) Tried GCC bootdisk: ABLE to mount my HD and modify /etc/rc file, in addition, it has a beautiful colored display when doing ls! I had three trips to school on that rainy night to finally fixed the problem. My point: for first-timers, SLS serves its purpose well (if properly delivered) but for emergency occasions, less-common hardware setup (e.g., SCSI), and seasoned users, other distributions, MCC and GCC are the real choice. I liked GCC's bootdisk in particular, since it packed lots of goodies in a single floppy, which makes me feel at home, in addition to the nice colored display:-) Cheers -Weimin ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************