From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 11:13:41 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #211 Linux-Misc Digest #211, Volume #1 Fri, 15 Oct 93 11:13:41 EDT Contents: Re: Ab-initio under Linux; do you think it is feasible? (Thomas Koenig) Re: Don't use SLS (Re: Which linux should I install...or which is best?) (Matt McLeod) Re: Don't use SLS (Re: Which linux should I install...or which is best?) (Matt McLeod) Re: Linux Magazine... (Matt McLeod) Re: an observation - SLS flaming results... (Keith Hollister) Re: Is there a better vi? (Wim van Dorst/Prof. Penninger) Re: Ab-initio under Linux; do you think it is feasible? (Dan Pop) Re: SLS install problems (Dante) Ucompressing Linux...crc error & memory (Brent Johnson) Re: Is there a better vi? (Mark Dobie) Re: >Re: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING (David Barr) Re: Ab-initio under Linux; do you think it is feasible? (hooft@embl-heidelberg.de) Re: Pentium, or better: 586 (Dirk Haratz) Re: ftape-0.9.6/pl13 compile problems (BARRY TITMARSH) Now 3.000 counted Linux users (Harald T. Alvestrand) Re: Personal info about Linus (Risto Widenius) linux utility for backups over several floppies? (ira b ekhaus) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig) Crossposted-To: comp.lang.fortran Subject: Re: Ab-initio under Linux; do you think it is feasible? Date: 15 Oct 1993 11:25:06 GMT vaxinf@V36.CHEMIE.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE () writes: >I have some problems to understand why one needs linux? >1.) Only because gcc and the linux-OS is "free"? That's one reason, yes. >2.) You all know the restrictions MS-DOS has, if you want to run big programs. > All pc-users switch to linux, because this is the way you can work around > this problem? That's another; but I generally like the things that UNIX has to offer. >3.) There is only a small change to debug a f2c-ed-program. So you always need > another machine with a fortran-compiler/debugger. I have no trouble debugging my FORTRAN code on my Linux machine; just fire up gdb, and set a breakpoint at __MAIN. > If the results are > "identical" on both machines then you may use the linux-machine, but > there is still a risc, that f2c translates wrong. F2c is fairly rigorously tested, by what I hear; the only two problem I've ever heard about (on comp.lang.fortran, a couple of months ago) have been fixed in the meantime. Also, with f2c, you can also look at the intermediate C code and see what f2c has actually been doing. I/O calls look pretty ugly, but the code is readable apart from that. You can always check it, if you suspect a flaw in the FORTRAN compilation. Actually, this is something that native f77 compilers don't allow you ;-) >Who knows how f2c/gcc behaves unter MS-DOS?? Badly; there is a gcc port to MS-DOS, but using DOS extenders is always a pain, and gcc depends on being able to allocate large chunks of memory. F2c is available for MS-DOS, so you probably can run its output through one of the C versions for MS-DOS. >Who knows how often f2c "fails"? How often does your native compiler fail? -- Thomas König, ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, ig25@dkauni2.bitnet The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic diagram. ------------------------------ From: matt@krikkit1.apana.org.au (Matt McLeod) Subject: Re: Don't use SLS (Re: Which linux should I install...or which is best?) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 23:21:09 GMT Andrej Bauer (Andrej.Bauer@ijs.si) wrote: : > : I'm afraid I've yet to see any serious problem with SLS. After installing : > : SLS 1.03 I found that yes, some permissions weren't set quite right, but : > : after a little fiddling the whole thing works wonderfully. : I've encountered aleph_0 bugs in SLS 1.01 (you tell me how much 1.03 : changed). Here's a short list of what comes to my mind first: Fair enough. Glad someone finally decided to give some idea of what's wrong with it :-) Many of these things I've not had to worry about. This system does no networking (beyond UUCP) so that's not an issue. (yet :-)) Anyway, thanks for taking the time to point out some actual errors. Nice to see that there really *are* problems with it, rather than just it being badmouthed because of something it's keeper did... :-) Matt -- Matt McLeod (matt@krikkit1.apana.org.au) Sysop, Krikkit One Public Access Unix, +61 49 423565 (11pm-7am AEST) "Hey Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!" ------------------------------ From: matt@krikkit1.apana.org.au (Matt McLeod) Subject: Re: Don't use SLS (Re: Which linux should I install...or which is best?) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 23:23:35 GMT dan@archimedes.lance.colostate.edu wrote: : And you won't understand these problems, until you try to do something obscure : or unusual. It wont work, you'll pull out your hair, and discover an SLS bug. : Or, maybe you do everthing the same way every time, and only do simple, well : documented things. Maybe you won't ever have to deal with an SLS bug. OK. Here is an admission. Raise your hand all those who are learning how to use Unix from trying to run Linux... :-) [hand up] So I haven't gotten down to bizzare stuff yet - I've been too busy learning the basics. Since I'll be doing a re-install in a few weeks anyway, if I can get ahold of slackware I'll give it a go (note I've not got ftp access, so it's not quite that simple...) Matt -- Matt McLeod (matt@krikkit1.apana.org.au) Sysop, Krikkit One Public Access Unix, +61 49 423565 (11pm-7am AEST) "Hey Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!" ------------------------------ From: matt@krikkit1.apana.org.au (Matt McLeod) Subject: Re: Linux Magazine... Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 23:27:29 GMT Derek Jones (derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk) wrote: : Heeeyyyy, I might bite here. Is anyone working on a magazine? I put together : a small venture back in the early part of this year producing a C magazine : but it had to fold when I crashed my car. ($$$) 8-( . However, - perhaps : this is a good next venture. It would be no sweat to rejig my page-makeup : designs to accomodate a new magazine. I work *for* a few magazines, if that's of any help. I've been trying hard to sell Linux as something worth publicizing to a few editors, but mostly they aren't interested in non-MS/IBM stuff except as small sidebars - but even a few small bits here and there are better than nothing... : If there's enough interest, I *might* be able to make a proper commercial : venture out of it and put it in a "glossy" format for folks to buy. (BTW, : the previous magazine I put together was sold at virtually no profit to : myself, - the idea was that the cover price would pay for the production, : mailing and sundry costs and hence be self financing. I'm thinking along : the same lines for a LINUX mag. [ though I wouldn't *discount* profit... 8-) ] ) If you're interested, I'd be willing to help out with the odd article - with one caveat - I'm no Linux guru. I'm learning as I go... Matt -- Matt McLeod (matt@krikkit1.apana.org.au) Sysop, Krikkit One Public Access Unix, +61 49 423565 (11pm-7am AEST) "Hey Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!" ------------------------------ From: keith@ursa.com (Keith Hollister) Subject: Re: an observation - SLS flaming results... Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 10:34:59 GMT In article <1993Oct14.141914.29059@mksol.dseg.ti.com> bmyers@asd470.dseg.ti.com (Bob Myers) writes: > Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the files under /pub/linux/packages/SLS > haven't been updated in a while? > > I haven't checked today, but it seems that the last time files were updated > were in early September. I've got a few thoughts on this: > > 1) Peter has been rather busy as of late, with other obligations. > > 2) Peter has been turned off with the bashing of SLS and/or Byte Mag. ads. > > Hopefully, we're looking at the first scenerio. If the second one holds true, then > those who have instigated this mess may have caused the downfall of one of the > ways of "spreading the word of Linux". > > I think that a number of us owe Peter a great deal with his distribution, and with > taking time to help with the minor hangups that might have happened during the > installation process. > > -bob I guess I somehow missed the issue about the "Byte ads", but my problem with SLS today is that it is not updated as frequently as Slackware (and maybe LGX - no experience there), and requires a lot of tweaking to bring it up to the level of an "off the shelf" Slackware install, for instance. This doesn't make SLS a total piece of shit, or does it make Peter a bad guy, it just means that I (and others) will recommend what we feel is a better package. I agree SLS was instrumental in giving people an all in one package for Linux back when there wasn't an alternative, and may have been the inspiration for things like Slackware, LGX, etc. But efforts should get judged on their quality today, not a year ago. Fact is SLS is getting a little rough around the edges compared to the others. Keith Hollister keith@ursa.com ------------------------------ From: tgcpwd@rwb.urc.tue.nl (Wim van Dorst/Prof. Penninger) Subject: Re: Is there a better vi? Date: 15 Oct 1993 13:29:48 +0100 Roger C. Pao writes: >It's nice that Linux comes with vi, but it is a subset. Elvis 1.7, that as fas as I know is _the_ Linux vi, id definitively not a subset of any vi that I know of. On the contrary! >I can't do real >vi operations like Ctrl-Shift-^ to switch between the last two files. The Ctrl-Shift stuff is not real vi, since they are not normal Unix keying. To switch between multiple files you have: :n[ext] [files] next file in [new] argument list :N[ext] previous file in argument list :previous see :N :args [files] set new argument list :rew[ind] first file in argument list [from: Elvis 1.6 user guide, 25 feb 1993, paragraph 3.9, page 3-7] >I can't do a colon operation like ":123,s/tic/tac/g" and expect it to >substitute all occurrances of tic for tac starting from line 123 to where >the cursor is currently. You made a typo: :123,.s/tic/tac/g ^ I shan't give all line specifier possibilities, as it covers a whole pages in the said Elvis guide. >So, anyone have a vi which is really vi compatible? Yes, Elvis. The one you probably already have :-). >P.S.: Please don't tell me to use emacs. No, don't be afraid. You just use Elvis, and you'll be fine. Met vriendelijke groeten, Wim 'vi addict' van Dorst -- ===================================================================== Blue Baron = Wim van Dorst, Voice (+31) 074-443937, (+31) 02152-42319 (-: baron@clifton.hobby.nl tgcpwd@urc.tue.nl WvD@Akzo.400net.nl :-) ===================================================================== ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.lang.fortran From: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch (Dan Pop) Subject: Re: Ab-initio under Linux; do you think it is feasible? Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 12:27:32 GMT In <29lsuo$7tu@hermes.uni-konstanz.de> vaxinf@V36.CHEMIE.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE () writes: >I have some problems to understand why one needs linux? > >1.) Only because gcc and the linux-OS is "free"? Of course not, but being free helps :-) >2.) You all know the restrictions MS-DOS has, if you want to run big programs. > All pc-users switch to linux, because this is the way you can work around > this problem? Not only. Linux is a Unix-like operating system. This makes it an almost ideal programming environment, especially when you have to go beyond the limits of Fortran programming. And don't forget that Linux is multitasking. This means that you can do lots of things while your number crunching program runs in background. >3.) There is only a small change to debug a f2c-ed-program. So you always need > another machine with a fortran-compiler/debugger. If the results are > "identical" on both machines then you may use the linux-machine, but > there is still a risc, that f2c translates wrong. Many people reported in this very newsgroup successful results at debugging f2c/gcc generated executables using gdb. > >Who knows how f2c/gcc behaves unter MS-DOS?? I've never heard any happy stories about f2c/gcc under MS-DOS. Maybe others? >Who knows how often f2c "fails"? > It has a very good record. OTOH, has anybody heard of a bug free compiler? Just my $0.02 Dan -- Dan Pop CERN, L3 Experiment Email: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch Mail: CERN - PPE, Bat. 21 1-023, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland ------------------------------ From: gt2584a@prism.gatech.EDU (Dante) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: SLS install problems Date: 15 Oct 93 12:50:51 GMT pmcintir@etsun.tech.iupui.edu (pablo ) writes: > >VFA: Can't find a minix filesystem on dev 0x021c. > that is because there is *not* a minix filesystem on 0x021c (your floppy) !! Your SLS disks are DOS formatted disks. If you read the SLS install FAQ, it says that this message can be ignored. -- "If I thought my answer were to one who might ever return to the world, this flame would shake no more; but since from this depth none have ever returned alive, I answer you without fear of infamy." from Dante's _The Inferno_, XXVII, ll. 61-66. ------------------------------ From: Brent Johnson Subject: Ucompressing Linux...crc error & memory Date: 15 Oct 1993 09:03:13 -0400 Reply-To: t901094@goodyear.com System: 486DX2/66 ??? Motherboard 256K cache AMI BIOS Slackware (1.03) Kernel pl13 Long story: In order to circumvent over-inflated RAM prices, I am using (2) 1Mx8 SIMMS and (6) 1Mx9 SIMMS with parity checking disabled. I initially had (4) 1Mx9. I removed one and replaced it with a 1Mx8, and used the system for a while and all was fine, so I put in all 8M and used the system some more, and all was fine. Previously, as I was disabling the parity check, I noticed that my wait states were set at 2read/3write (note: all SIMMS are 70ns) So now that my system is working fine w/8M, I decided to go play with the wait states. I set them to 0read/0write, and booted (using LILO) into MSDOG, played around a little, and all was fine. Great, let's try Linux. I reboot into Linux and after the message 'Uncompressing Linux' I get 'crc error' and the system hangs. Fine, I'll just put the wait states back. I set them back to origional, reboot and 'crc error'???!!! DON'T PANIC YET! I pull out my trusty boot floppy, and I get the same thing!!! PANIC PANIC PANIC (I also tried the Slackware install floppy, and same thing) Any suggetions, hints, comments, words of wisdom? -- . . BRENT I. JOHNSON . Systems Engineer (216) 796-6816 . Technical Computer Systems Design FAX (216) 796-1671 . The Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company . . "DOS is to operating systems, what vi is to desktop publishing." . ------------------------------ From: mrd@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Mark Dobie) Subject: Re: Is there a better vi? Date: 15 Oct 1993 14:30:25 +0100 In <29m53s$g42@rwb.urc.tue.nl> tgcpwd@rwb.urc.tue.nl (Wim van Dorst/Prof. Penninger) writes: >Roger C. Pao writes: >>It's nice that Linux comes with vi, but it is a subset. >Elvis 1.7, that as fas as I know is _the_ Linux vi, id definitively >not a subset of any vi that I know of. On the contrary! There some things elvis doesn't do, like displaying long lines wrapped, but version 1.7 provides many of the previously missing features, like the tag stack. It does other things that vi doesn't too. >>I can't do real >>vi operations like Ctrl-Shift-^ to switch between the last two files. >The Ctrl-Shift stuff is not real vi, since they are not normal Unix >keying. To switch between multiple files you have: I think ctrl-^ (ctrl-6 really) is real vi, and elvis does it. >>So, anyone have a vi which is really vi compatible? There is also vim, which some people recommend. Followups to comp.editors... Mark. -- Mark Dobie MS Windows? Linux and X! University of Southampton M.R.Dobie@ecs.soton.ac.uk ------------------------------ From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) Subject: Re: >Re: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING Date: 15 Oct 1993 13:30:53 GMT In article <411@gblinux.demon.co.uk>, Gareth Bult wrote: >On Wed, 13 Oct 93 21:00:23 GMT; >----Helmut Geyer (geyer@polyhymnia.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de) said: > >>The authority comes from the charter of the c.o.l.* hierarchy > >And the 'charter' is what exactly? > >Sorry, but you didn't answer the question. By what authority do YOU post to this newsgroup? Answer that, and you've answered your question. --Dave -- System Administrator, Penn State Population Research Institute "Wherever you have an efficient government you have a dictatorship" - Harry S. Truman ------------------------------ From: hooft@embl-heidelberg.de Crossposted-To: comp.lang.fortran Subject: Re: Ab-initio under Linux; do you think it is feasible? Date: 15 Oct 93 13:29:42 +0100 In article <1993Oct14.161152.798@polar.etsiig.uniovi.es>, miguel@pinon.ccu.uniovi.es (Miguel Alvarez Blanco) writes: > Frits Daalmans (frits@rulway.LeidenUniv.nl) wrote: > > : My question is: Does anyone have experience with porting a large, > : numerically intensive, FORTRAN application to Linux, using the f2c/gcc > : tandem or g77? > HUGE package? It's not the number of lines that makes a compiler crash, but > the complexity of them. Usually, numerical algorithms are far more easier to > compile that some really nasty programs (anything with graphics is really a > pain, and what can be more complicated than compiling a full UNIX?). I am using the protein modelling package WHAT IF routinely at home. Interactive 3-D graphics, X windows interface in K&R C and the rest in 270000 lines of F77 code. No problem whatsoever with f2c/GCC: Linux is one of the platforms where WHAT IF can run with full code optimizations without problems! Regards, -- Rob W. W. Hooft, European Molecular Biology Laboratory, Meyerhofstr. 1, D-69117 Heidelberg, BRD. ============= E-mail: hooft@EMBL-Heidelberg.de ======= Use a Real Operating System on your 386: Linux is FREE! ======= ------------------------------ From: dharatz@informatik.uni-rostock.de (Dirk Haratz) Subject: Re: Pentium, or better: 586 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 14:16:37 GMT Nicholas Ambrose (na2@doc.ic.ac.uk) wrote: | In article , hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin N9ITP) writes: | |> In article <29j9ad$k8@tuegate.tue.nl> of comp.os.linux.misc, | |> hanwen@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Han-Wen Nienhuys) writes: | |> > | |> > >How do you sell a pentium-compatible chip, if you must not call it | |> > >pentium-compatible? | |> > | |> > You call it "586" compatible, or you say "our chip is pentium | |> > compatible" in stuff which is not an advertisement | |> | |> I would assume it would be called the Am586. | | or perhaps the AMtium ?? I'd prefer Preventium! :-) Dirk -- dharatz@informatik.uni-rostock.de "Microsoft proudly presents: The worlds first object oriented BASIC- interpreter running on CP/M, MSDOS and Windows/NT!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 13:35:17 CET From: BARRY TITMARSH Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: ftape-0.9.6/pl13 compile problems If you have removed all the c++isms then please upload the patches to the TAPE channel so we cam ALL use them. Barry ------------------------------ From: hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand) Subject: Now 3.000 counted Linux users Date: 15 Oct 1993 14:40:00 GMT Yes, we've reached 3.000 counted! Now if we could only count the uncounted... But the counting is tapering off; here are the number of letters processed by the system each day: Tue Sep 28: 17 Wed Sep 29: 173 Thu Sep 30: 162 Fri Oct 1: 861 (date of initial c.o.l.announce posting) Sat Oct 2: 184 Sun Oct 3: 189 Mon Oct 4: 282 Tue Oct 5: 158 Wed Oct 6: 110 Thu Oct 7: 142 Fri Oct 8: 377 (date of posting of "2.000 reached" posting) Sat Oct 9: 96 Sun Oct 10: 71 Mon Oct 11: 139 Tue Oct 12: 104 Wed Oct 13: 45 Thu Oct 14: 55 The registry is still located at linux-counter@uninett.no Send a message with one of the subject lines: I use Linux at home I use Linux at home and at work I use Linux at work I do not use Linux You will receive an E-mail with the current count. Now for the details.... ============================== LINUX counter status, as of Fri Oct 15 15:24:24 MET 1993 Number of messages processed: 3190 Number of current votes : 3076 (114 revotes) Number of Linux users : 3029 (47 non-users voted) PROBABLE DISTRIBUTION OF PLACES WHERE LINUX IS USED 1932 62% at home 714 23% at home and at work 220 7% at work 163 5% somewhere 47 1% not used BY COUNTRY ONLY 1295 us 508 de 177 gb 140 ca 128 au 126 nl 105 fi 86 se 62 no 60 fr 53 at 44 dk 27 be 26 ch 21 za 17 it 16 jp 14 xw 9 pl 8 hk 8 tw 8 es 8 xe 7 nz 7 ie 6 pt 6 br 5 gr 5 cl 5 is 5 xx 4 hu 4 in 4 il 3 cz 3 si 3 co 2 lu 2 su 2 mx 2 ro 2 ee 1 cr 1 th 1 hr 1 cs 1 my 1 ua RANKING RELATIVE TO POPULATION Country #Linux MPop Lin/M ============================================================ 1 Finland 105 5.0 21.0 2 Iceland 5 0.3 19.7 3 Norway 62 4.3 14.4 4 Sweden 86 8.6 10.0 5 Denmark 44 5.1 8.6 6 Netherlands 126 14.9 8.5 7 Australia 128 17.1 7.5 8 Austria 53 7.6 7.0 9 Germany 508 79.1 6.4 10 Canada 140 26.6 5.3 11 USA 1295 249.6 5.2 12 Luxembourg 2 0.4 5.1 13 Switzerland 26 6.7 3.9 14 Great Britain 177 57.2 3.1 15 Belgium 27 9.9 2.7 16 New Zealand 7 3.4 2.1 17 Ireland 7 3.5 2.0 18 Slovenia 3 2.0 1.5 19 Hong Kong 8 5.9 1.4 20 Estonia 2 1.6 1.2 21 France 60 56.2 1.1 22 South Africa 21 30.2 0.7 23 Israel 4 6.3 0.6 24 Portugal 6 10.3 0.6 25 Greece 5 10.1 0.5 26 Taiwan 8 20.3 0.4 27 Hungaria 4 10.5 0.4 28 Chile 5 13.5 0.4 29 Costa Rica 1 3.1 0.3 30 Czech Rebublic 3 10.0 0.3 31 Italy 17 57.7 0.3 32 Poland 9 38.4 0.2 33 Croatia 1 4.8 0.2 34 Spain 8 39.5 0.2 35 Japan 16 123.3 0.1 36 Colombia 3 34.3 0.1 37 Romania 2 23.2 0.1 38 Czechoslovakia (former) 1 15.7 0.1 39 Malaysia 1 18.0 0.1 40 Brazil 6 158.2 0.0 41 Europe (Somewhere in it) 8 320.0 0.0 42 Mexico 2 81.4 0.0 43 Ukraine 1 51.9 0.0 44 Thailand 1 57.6 0.0 45 Soviet Union (former) 2 147.4 0.0 46 India 4 844.0 0.0 47 The World (Somewhere in it) 14 5000.0 0.0 48 Unknown 5 5000.0 0.0 The following table is used to map the envelope FROM address to a country code. When I have time to completely rewrite the counter, I will allow people to state their country of origin; at the moment, this will have to do. # Mapping file for domain -> country # Each line is a country + domains that map to this country # More than one line per country can exist # Pseudo-domains "xw" and "xe" are used for Europe and the world # #-------- DEFAULTS for top level domains xw: net int bitnet uucp unknown us: edu gov mil org com gb: uk #-------- SUBDOMAINS of the defaulted domains # Subdomains of ORG de: sub.org # Subdomains of COM - known US should be listed, too - but are too many no: hydro.com fi: valmet.com nokia.com # Subdomains of NET us: ans.net ci.net cerf.net clark.net concert.net cyber.net digex.net us: holonet.net near.net njin.net nwnet.net us: internic.net rahul.net speedway.net tyrell.net uu.net de: germany.eu.net xlink.net cube.net fr: fr.net nl: nl.net se: swip.net ca: north.net gb: pipex.net # Subdomains of BITNET de: dbnrhrz1.bitnet ch: cfruni51.bitnet cfruni52.bitnet # Europe xe: eu.net # Stuff that is not so orthogonal, but found from the logs de: baghira brand spatzi.uucp small.uucp rniwh.uucp rnima.uucp rniil.uucp at: timbuktu.uucp hk: dec20 us: waggen.uucp gb: nimbus.uucp -- Harald Tveit Alvestrand Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no G=Harald;I=T;S=Alvestrand;O=uninett;P=uninett;C=no +47 7 59 70 94 My son's name is Torbjørn. The letter between "j" and "r" is o with a slash. ------------------------------ From: widenius@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Risto Widenius) Subject: Re: Personal info about Linus Date: 15 Oct 1993 16:35:41 +0200 In article , H. Peter Anvin N9ITP wrote: > widenius@polva.helsinki.fi (Risto Widenius) writes: >> Linus nowadays is 23 years and [mumble] months old, err, young. > >If you want to know more precicely, it is encoded in the Linux kernel. >Somewhere. I notice your birthday is coming up, Linus. Well, yes, I know precisely if that kernel source is to be trusted. Given the present propagation of c.o.l. groups I presume there's a whole lot of grepping going on around the world after that remark. I'll try not to think about what the resulting bunch of cron-birthday-greetings will do to the university mail server. -- rw ------------------------------ From: ibe@world.std.com (ira b ekhaus) Subject: linux utility for backups over several floppies? Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 15:09:19 GMT Hi, I saw an announcement a while back for a linux utility for backing up stuff. It claimed to gracefully work over several floppies and had lots of internal checks etc... However, I can't remember the name . If any does, or could recommend their preferred way of backing up directories (using floppies) I'd appreciate a reply or a post. thanks, ira ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************