From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 11:27:49 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #190 Linux-Misc Digest #190, Volume #1 Fri, 8 Oct 93 11:27:49 EDT Contents: Re: New Chat System Available (CSHAULIS@DELPHI.COM) Re: Ethernet (Really EtherExpress driver) (Donald J. Becker) Re: Linux Magazine... (Felton Mitchell) Re: review of databases (Odie) Re: Linux Magazine... (Mark A. Horton) Re: Where is the source for /usr/bin/time ? (K. van Houten) SCSI Adapter Cards (Joseph R. Pannon) Re: Ethernet (Paul Gortmaker) Scanning + writeonce CD-ROM suggestions? (ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in) Re: PCNFS on Linux? (Tom van Nes) Re: Linux Magazine... (Arjen Broeze) Re: Linux Magazine [how much work?] (Karel Kubat) *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.05) (Ian Jackson) Re: Linux Magazine... (Chris Johnston) Linux Magazine Re: Linux counter passes 2000 entries (Adam Harris) Re: Telebit Trailblazer Plus for sale (repost) (Gary Sanders) Re: PCNFS on Linux? (Alan Cox) Re: Linux counter passes 2000 entries (Mark A. Davis) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cshaulis@news.delphi.com (CSHAULIS@DELPHI.COM) Subject: Re: New Chat System Available Date: 7 Oct 1993 23:23:15 -0400 morley@suncad.camosun.bc.ca (Mark Morley) writes: >Check it out by telneting to buckyball.camosun.bc.ca on port 7000. It's >only a couple days old so I want to hear all bug reports! If you want the >code I'll make it available via FTP. It consists of a single .C file and >should compile under most Unix's (I've tried it under Linux and SunOS 4.1.2) I'd be interested in takin' a peek at that source -- I could stand to learn about TCP/IP servers too, and what better way to do it then with a single .C file. I'd be happy to post it to another newsgroup if you tell me which ones. Christopher cshaulis@Delphi.Com ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: becker@super.org (Donald J. Becker) Subject: Re: Ethernet (Really EtherExpress driver) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 17:34:57 GMT In article , Ken J. Cherasaro wrote: >Has anyone out there gotten Linux to recognize a Intel Ethernet (etherexpress) >card. When installing it did not recognize it for me. Can this be done >after installation? If so how ? >Any comments or suugestions are appreciated. Your kernel didn't recognize it because there isn't an EtherExpress device driver for Linux. Unlike most other devices, ethercards vary wildly in their interface and method of operation. The EtherExpress is no exception. I started writing a driver, but two things have kept me from finishing it. 1) I talked to some Intel guys at spring InterOp, but they never sent the programming information they promised. That still leaves the Crynwr packet driver source as documentation, but 2) it uses a damn Intel chip. What, does Intel send its designers and tech writers a special school or something? I've found Intel parts unnecessarily complicated and their documentation obfusicated every since the late 70's. OK, flame off. Simple version: "It don't work yet." -- Donald Becker becker@super.org IDA Supercomputing Research Center 17100 Science Drive, Bowie MD 20715 301-805-7482 ------------------------------ From: fmitch@netcom.com (Felton Mitchell) Subject: Re: Linux Magazine... Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 04:40:30 GMT i would subscribe!!! mitch fmitch@netcom.com -- fmitch@netcom.com Felton Mitchell, WA4OSR in Mobile, Alabama USA co-sysop for W4IAX bbs running fbb ... sysop for WA4OSR DXCluster in Mobile.. ------------------------------ From: cosc19v2@menudo.uh.edu (Odie) Subject: Re: review of databases Date: 8 Oct 1993 00:47:23 -0500 In article <28tbcl$9tq@samba.oit.unc.edu> corey@amiganet.chi.il.us (Corey Sweeney) writes: >[] > >Ingres- >Advantages: stable, multi-user >Disadvantages: no interface to C programs, pain to install. I don't think that this is true. I programmed extensively with (Ingres + C) three years ago for database course project. And it was quite an old version also. ------------------------------ From: mahmha@crl.com (Mark A. Horton) Subject: Re: Linux Magazine... Date: 7 Oct 1993 22:40:19 -0700 Derek Jones (derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk) wrote: : What does the community think? A wizard idea! Suggest you check with the editor of LinuxNews for possible collaboration: Denise Tree tree@cs.jhu.edu I'm not going to touch the TeX vs. "other" tools issue! -- Mark -- Mark A. Horton mah@ka4ybr.com (or here) P.O.Box 747 Decatur GA US 30031-0747 ICBM: 33 45 N / 084 16 W +1.404.371.0291 Cruise: 33 45 30 N / 084 16 50 W "We may note that, for the purposes of these experiments, the symbol "=" has the meaning "may be confused with." ------------------------------ From: houten@pcssdc.pttnwb.nl (K. van Houten) Subject: Re: Where is the source for /usr/bin/time ? Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 06:51:03 GMT In article <1993Oct7.141244.21862@pttdis.pttnwb.nl>, houten@pcssdc.pttnwb.nl (K. van Houten) writes: |> I'm using SLS 1.03, 0.99.13, and the 'time' command |> complains about using old stat system call. |> Where can I find the source to recompile? I've found gnu time-1.5, thanks to all friendly responders. -- Karel van Houten, DOMAIN: houten@pttnwb.nl PTT Telecom b.v. UUCP: uunet!mcsun!sun4nl!pttdis!houten 's-Gravenhage, The Netherlands VOICE: +31 70 3434947 ------------------------------ From: danubius@halcyon.com (Joseph R. Pannon) Subject: SCSI Adapter Cards Date: 7 Oct 1993 23:20:33 -0700 I'm not sure if this is the right forum for my question, so don't jump on me if it isn't. All I want to find out if anybody here has any experience with the Acculogic ISApport SCSI-2 adapter card. I am considering buying it, but I don't see it listed in the hardware guide. On its box it says: "Corell approved" -- whatever that means. Thanks, Joe Pannon ------------------------------ From: rcopg@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Paul Gortmaker) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: Ethernet Date: 8 Oct 1993 07:20:27 GMT cherasar@icarus.montclair.edu (Ken J. Cherasaro) writes: >Has anyone out there gotten Linux to recognize a Intel Ethernet (etherexpress) >card. When installing it did not recognize it for me. Can this be done >after installation? If so how ? >Any comments or suugestions are appreciated. ...the Intel based cards are not presently supported. Look in the Ethernet- HOWTO to determine what cards you can and can't run with Linux at present. Paul. -- Paul Gortmaker c/o Microelectronics and Materials Technology Centre. Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, GPO Box 2476V, Melbourne 3001, Victoria, Australia. Ph (61) 3 660 2601. FAX (61) 3 662 1921. e-mail: paul@cain.mmtc.rmit.oz.au rcopg@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.publish.cdrom.hardware From: ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in Subject: Scanning + writeonce CD-ROM suggestions? Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 06:08:34 GMT We're looking at a heavy duty document scanning and retrival problem. The sheer speed of scanning is a constraint; i.e. the usage is not once-in-a-while. We're biased towards either of SPARC+SunOS or PC+Linux. But if the scanner itself likes to get plugged into a MS-DOS box, we can take files it generates over the NFS into some sane place. Will the speed of NFS writing be a constraint? We want to write the (gzipped) scanned material onto write-once CD-ROMs at the end of each day or so. How practical is that right now? Again, a write-once drive which plugs into Unix (Linux ok) would be perfect, we want to avoid PC industry OS offerings wherever possible. Do you have any suggestions on hardware/software options? If I had a book of 100 letter sized pages how many minutes would the scanning take? Does the scanner have to be on SCSI for speed? What are the issues in color vs. BW scanning? What image formats should we be using? What glue software will allow for the tagging of a document with keywords or codes or whatever? We can fluently hack up scripts etc. if the scanning software itself will allow itself to get invoked from shell scripts. We're biased towards 600 dpi since it can goto HP4 printers, 300 dpi printers, and fax with less loss. Is that a smart idea? What does all this cost? Who is a good shop to buy from? Thanks a lot, -ans. -- ============================================================================== Ajay Shah Work: 91-22-4300531 Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy Fax: 91-22-4370558 ------------------------------ From: vannes@onyx.alcatel.ch (Tom van Nes) Subject: Re: PCNFS on Linux? Reply-To: thomas.vannes@alcatel.ch Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 08:44:23 GMT In article <1993Oct6.130240.15550@cc.gatech.edu>, Byron A Jeff wrote: >In article , >Michael A. Irons wrote: >> As PCNFS is NFS for a PC, and linux has an NFS filesystem, why would >>you want to try and get PCNFS onto linux (if it's even possible) ?? > >By my very limited understanding of PCNFS requires a pcnfsd server on the >Unix side of things so that a DOS PCNFS client can operate properly when >attached. This server is publicly distributable. > >Is this right? > right. One problem though: pcnfsd.c is not ANSI C ! You have to use 'protoize' to convert to ANSI C. I managed to compile on Linux but haven't tested it yet. besides 'protoize' you need to add '(char *)' in the line: (strcmp(p->pw_passwd, crypt(password, p->pw_passwd)))) { so: (strcmp(p->pw_passwd, (char *)crypt(password, p->pw_passwd)))) { ------------------------------ From: stage@ictser.UUCP (Arjen Broeze) Subject: Re: Linux Magazine... Date: 8 Oct 93 09:03:37 GMT Derek Jones (derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk) wrote: > What does the community think? A great idea. I'll certainly subscribe Arjen Broeze ICT Aerospace Deventer, NL - On line sig, no rubbish - ------------------------------ From: karel@icce.rug.nl (Karel Kubat) Subject: Re: Linux Magazine [how much work?] Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 09:49:45 GMT Hi Linuxers: Just a few thoughts. I'd very much appreciate a Linux-magazine, and I'd like to share some thoughts on the publishing strategy. At our departement I've started a (small) magazine for `internal' publications, which has developed into a `de facto' standard for internal and external publications. The setup of this magazine may perhaps provide some ideas. In `my' magazine, I've chosen to create a set of LaTeX macros which take the typesetting burden off the shoulders of the submitters. The macro set is available to all who want to use it; either for the magazine or for personal use. The reason to choose this path was that I *did* want the magazine to appear, but *didn't* want to put too much work into it. The result is, that my collegues can write texts using the macro set, can preview the results, can change the layout to suit them, etc., *before* I receive the final submission. Therefore, I in fact get an error-less article, ready to include in the next issue. The macro set has proven thus helpful that even other publications, which do not relate to this magazine, are now created using this macro set. I'm not advocating LaTeX (or TeX) per se, but hopefully this setup generates some good thoughts. Publishers beware! The amount of work which has to be put into the magazine is always larger than you'd think, and my experience is that having to look after the magazine month after month is no fun at all, especially when the workload increases. Receiving an error-less submission, ready to include in the next issue, helps a lot. I therefore *do* advocate a typesetting system which allows the submitter to preview the article in the same form in which it will later appear. The responsability for the form of the article (e.g., error-free, with the figures and tables at the right places, etc.) is then not in the hands of the publisher, but in the hands of the submitter. And this helps, believe me! Well, that's my $0.02. Happy Linuxing, Karel. -- The ICCE usenet account providing access to usenet news for the ICCE Experience _WERKEN_AAN_DE_GRENZEN_VAN_HET_KUNNEN_ ------------------------------ From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson) Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.05) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1993 10:03:01 GMT Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of which groups you should read and post to. If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or from another Linux FTP site. In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!' The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place. Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not comp.os.linux.misc. Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions. Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in /pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq. Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration - should you post to comp.os.linux.misc. Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me ! -- Ian Jackson (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk) 2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England; phone: +44 223 64238 ------------------------------ From: chris@dudes.surfcty.com (Chris Johnston) Subject: Re: Linux Magazine... Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 20:29:09 -0800 In <290ele$pi3@mtu.edu> sjkangas@major.cs.mtu.edu (STEVEN J. KANGAS) writes: > I bet there are a bunch of hackers like me that will be interested >in knowing what's going on if you can get this raft to float. Whaddya >think people? I'm very interested. Good luck! >-- >Steve Kangas Sure! Sign me up! I'll subscribe! Chris Johnston -- ****************************************************************** ** Chris D. Johnston 714/289-8543 ** ** Surf City Software 714/289-1002 (fax) ** ** chris@surfcty.com Surf.City (AppleLink) ** ****************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: zzassgl@gl.mcc.ac.uk () Subject: Linux Magazine Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 11:12:55 GMT I was going to suggest that the mag include a cover floppy disc with each issue...but as the intended audience can almost certainly be expected to be users of Linux perhaps the entire mag should be distributed on the floppy and a nice VGA based reader program developed? -- Geoff. Lane. zzassgl@gl.mcc.ac.uk or zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk UTS Sys Admin,Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Rd, Manchester, M13 9PL, UK Overflow on /dev/null, please empty the bit bucket. ------------------------------ From: harris@cs.uchicago.edu (Adam Harris) Subject: Re: Linux counter passes 2000 entries Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 11:51:07 GMT In article <290oje$e5@trane.uninett.no> hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand) writes: > >PROBABLE DISTRIBUTION OF PLACES WHERE LINUX IS USED >1300 62% at home > 505 24% at home and at work > 156 7% at work > 68 3% somewhere > 35 1% not used > Clearly the user base is private enthusiasts and hackers. Suprise suprise. Well, does anyone have any idea how we can sell linux to M.I.S. departments after it reaches 1.0? Maybe we should ask Steve Jobs. Hup! ;) -adam -- ................................................................. Adam Harris harris@cs.uchicago.edu Univ. of Chicago, CS Dept. Tech. Typesetter (312) 702 1004 ................................................................. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers.other,comp.dcom.modems,ny.forsale From: gws@n8emr.cmhnet.org (Gary Sanders) Subject: Re: Telebit Trailblazer Plus for sale (repost) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 93 02:12:41 GMT In article <28ruon$hhr@panix.com> dans@panix.com (Dan Simoes) writes: >I have a Trailblazer Plus in the recent style case, complete with >An ad in UNIX World for Solunet, Inc. advertises the Plus at $518. >I'll sell mine for $250 which includes shipping via UPS ground to anywhere >in the continental US. If someone is paying $518 for a TB plus then I have a couple bridges forsale. HSC electronics (800-4-HALTED) has TB plus them for $45. (yes $forty five). You can get a Worldblazer for $518.. >Please let me know if this is an unreasonable price, or if there are better >deals to be had. I'll consider any reasonable offers, but I'm not going to >give it away either. I just don't really need 2 modems on 1 system... Ok, I offer a resonable $25 for the modem. -- Gary W. Sanders gws@n8emr.cmhnet.org, 72277,1325 N8EMR @ N8JYV (ip addr) 44.70.0.1 [Ohio AMPR address coordinator] HAM BBS 614-895-2553 (1200/2400/V.32/PEP) Voice: 614-895-2552 (eves/weekends) ------------------------------ From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: PCNFS on Linux? Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 12:54:07 GMT In article <55106@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> imcclogh@cs.ucsd.edu (Ian McCloghrie) writes: >byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes: >>By my very limited understanding of PCNFS requires a pcnfsd server on the >>Unix side of things so that a DOS PCNFS client can operate properly when >>attached. This server is publicly distributable. > > As typicl DOS machines provide minimal to no user authentication, >blindly trusting any NFS mount request from a DOS machine is a gaping >security hole. It's my understanding that pcnfsd attempts to fix this by >implementing a user authentication scheme on top of the normal NFS. Indeed, and the PCNFS authentication system isn't too hot. Its ok for in company type things but don't let the mass crackers of the internet near it pcnsfd I've been told compiles up ok on Linux and will do the job it should. In theory you could modify it so that it talked to the uid/gid mapping server of the Linux nfsd and make it truely secure by only mapping the uid that goes with the pcnfs login used. I've been meaning to have a crack at this with the floppy disk nfs booted linux kit, so it starts up logs you in, authenticates you with the nfsd maps only your uid mounts /usr readonly and /home r/w for the one uid only. Would be a nice way of doing things. However I'm debugging the Linux tcp/ip at the moment and trying to get a kernel IPX stack working (ha!) so it will have to wait. Alan iiitac@pyr.swan.ac.uk ------------------------------ From: mark@taylor.uucp (Mark A. Davis) Subject: Re: Linux counter passes 2000 entries Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1993 14:28:01 GMT harris@cs.uchicago.edu (Adam Harris) writes: >In article <290oje$e5@trane.uninett.no> hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand) writes: >> >>PROBABLE DISTRIBUTION OF PLACES WHERE LINUX IS USED >>1300 62% at home >> 505 24% at home and at work >> 156 7% at work >> 68 3% somewhere >> 35 1% not used >> >Clearly the user base is private enthusiasts and hackers. Suprise >suprise. Well, does anyone have any idea how we can sell linux >to M.I.S. departments after it reaches 1.0? Yes, commercial software availablity. ======> COFF/SCO/ISC compatibility, ELF/Unixware compatibility, MS-"Windows" (WINE) capabilities. I would have several uses for Linux IF it could run existing commercial Unix software such as WordPerfect, Lotus, Aster*x, ClockWise, Codelink, Mlink, Grammatik, AOM, Foxbase, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.... For now, it stays at home :( -- /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Mark A. Davis | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 | | Sys.Administrator| Computer Services | mark@taylor.wyvern.com .uucp | \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************