From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 11:57:50 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #188 Linux-Misc Digest #188, Volume #1 Thu, 7 Oct 93 11:57:50 EDT Contents: Re: Linux Magazine... (STEVEN J. KANGAS) Re: Don't use SLS (Re: Which linux should I (Michael Chapman K8/EIS1. Tel. 1662) Anyone got perl compiled with Curses? (Matt McLeod) Re: Pascal interface unit for curses, anyone? (Matt McLeod) Linux counter passes 2000 entries (Harald T. Alvestrand) *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.05) (Ian Jackson) Ethernet (Ken J. Cherasaro) Re: The final BOGOMIP (Tor Arntsen) Re: New Chat System Available (Mark Morley) info on athena widget set (stefano grassi) Re: Xfree vs. BIOS (David E. Wexelblat) Re: Window managers (Robert Nation) Where is the source for /usr/bin/time ? (K. van Houten) Re: Linux Magazine... (Robert W. Brewer) Re: New dvi driver for epson-like printers (Neal Becker) another test (jwest@jwest.ecen.okstate.edu) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sjkangas@major.cs.mtu.edu (STEVEN J. KANGAS) Subject: Re: Linux Magazine... Date: 7 Oct 1993 06:57:50 GMT Mark Line (markline@henson.cc.wwu.edu) wrote: : derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk (Derek Jones) writes: : Does somebody know if it's okay to continue this discussion in this : newsgroup, or would direct e-mail be more in order? I bet there are a bunch of hackers like me that will be interested in knowing what's going on if you can get this raft to float. Whaddya think people? I'm very interested. Good luck! -- Steve Kangas sjkangas@major.cs.mtu.edu ------------------------------ From: mchapman@argos.eis (Michael Chapman K8/EIS1. Tel. 1662) Subject: Re: Don't use SLS (Re: Which linux should I Date: 7 Oct 93 08:03:17 GMT Reply-To: mchapman@argos.eis In article 1qJ@netcom.com, boutell@netcom.com (Thomas Boutell) writes: [ snip snip..] >I need major RAM upgradage, and I'd love to know if there's a way >of keeping 1024x768 mode from being displayed off to the right so >I have to whang my horizontal- center dial all the way over (I have >a no- name ET4000- based card in my Fastmicro 386/40, anybody >else got one of these things? They disappeared it seems, but >they did build me a good machine- pity I have no RAM installation >instructions for it), but by and large Linux has come up with >incredible ease. No problem. Just modify your Xconfig so that the horizontal sync pulse comes later. Its probably best to keep it the same length. Note that you can only move it in multiples of 8 pixels. You do this by adding a number (which is a multiple of 8) to the 4th and 5th columns of your configuration. (The 1st column is the name - something like "1024x768" the second is your pixel clock rate in MHZ eg 75 the third is the visible line length in this case 1024 the 4th is the start pixel of hsync eg 1032 --> make bigger the 5th is the end pixel of hsync eg 1096 --> make bigger the 6th column is the total line length in pixels eg 1328 ) If you installed SLS there would have been a nice document there telling you how to do this :-( Happy hacking. Mike --- ============================================================================== Mike Chapman e-mail: mchapman@eis.k8.rt.bosch.de fax: (+49) 7121/35-1746 tel: (+49) 7121/35-1662 ------------------------------ From: matt@krikkit1.apana.org.au (Matt McLeod) Subject: Anyone got perl compiled with Curses? Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 22:16:03 GMT The subject line says it all... I'm looking for perl binaries with curses compiled in. I *could* do it myself, but if someones already done it... Matt -- Matt McLeod (matt@krikkit1.apana.org.au) Sysop, Krikkit One Public Access Unix, +61 49 423565 (11pm-7am AEST) "Hey Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!" ------------------------------ From: matt@krikkit1.apana.org.au (Matt McLeod) Subject: Re: Pascal interface unit for curses, anyone? Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 00:51:11 GMT Michael Griffith (grif@ucrengr.ucr.edu) wrote: : In article <1993Oct1.222212.518@krikkit1.apana.org.au>, : Matt McLeod wrote: : > : >Having just finally figured out how to use the p2c translator, I'm : >wondering if anyone has knocked up a Pascal unit for curses... : > : >Or is there a c2p translator around? : Perhaps you ought to learn C or C++. Pascal just doesn't cut it as a : systems programming language for UNIX. Not another one telling me to learn C... :-) Actually, I do already know a bit of C, and have done some commercial development in C++. I just like Pascal. :-) And anyway, I don't want to rewrite the kernel... Matt -- Matt McLeod (matt@krikkit1.apana.org.au) Sysop, Krikkit One Public Access Unix, +61 49 423565 (11pm-7am AEST) "Hey Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!" ------------------------------ From: hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand) Subject: Linux counter passes 2000 entries Date: 7 Oct 1993 09:47:26 GMT (To get included into the count, send an E-mail to linux-counter@uninett.no with one of the subject lines: I use Linux at home I use Linux at work I use Linux at home and at work I don't use Linux You will get an E-mail back saying how your vote was counted) LINUX counter status, as of Thu Oct 7 10:31:59 MET 1993 Number of messages processed: 2162 Number of current votes : 2064 (98 revotes) Number of Linux users : 2029 (35 non-users voted) PROBABLE DISTRIBUTION OF PLACES WHERE LINUX IS USED 1300 62% at home 505 24% at home and at work 156 7% at work 68 3% somewhere 35 1% not used BY DOMAIN 496 edu 303 com 291 de 124 uk 88 ca 80 nl 73 au 70 fi 51 se 51 no 38 net 38 gov 37 at 35 dk 27 org 26 fr 20 ch 19 unknown 15 za 15 uucp 14 be 13 mil 11 it 8 jp 8 us 6 bitnet 6 tw 5 pt 5 ie 5 pl 5 nz 5 es 4 hk 4 il 4 is 3 hu 3 br 3 co 3 cl 3 gr 2 su 2 si 2 ee 1 mx 1 cz 1 cs 1 th 1 hr 1 ro 1 gb 1 in BY COUNTRY (I like sorting by #/population, because that puts Norway near the top :-) Country #Linux MPop Lin/M ============================================================ Iceland 4 0.3 15.7 Finland 70 5.0 14.0 Norway 51 4.3 11.9 Denmark 35 5.1 6.9 Sweden 51 8.6 5.9 Netherlands 80 14.9 5.4 Austria 37 7.6 4.9 Australia 73 17.1 4.3 Germany 291 79.1 3.7 USA 885 249.6 3.5 edu,com,gov,mil,org,us Canada 88 26.6 3.3 Switzerland 20 6.7 3.0 United Kingdom 125 57.2 2.2 uk,gb New Zealand 5 3.4 1.5 Ireland 5 3.5 1.4 Belgium 14 9.9 1.4 Estonia 2 1.6 1.2 Slovenia 2 2.0 1.0 Hong Kong 4 5.9 0.7 Israel 4 6.3 0.6 South Africa 15 30.2 0.5 Portugal 5 10.3 0.5 France 26 56.2 0.5 Greece 3 10.1 0.3 Taiwan 6 20.3 0.3 Hungaria 3 10.5 0.3 Chile 3 13.5 0.2 Croatia 1 4.8 0.2 Italy 11 57.7 0.2 Poland 5 38.4 0.1 Spain 5 39.5 0.1 Czech Rebublic 1 10.0 0.1 Colombia 3 34.3 0.1 Japan 8 123.3 0.1 Czechoslovakia (former) 1 15.7 0.1 Romania 1 23.2 0.0 Brazil 3 158.2 0.0 Thailand 1 57.6 0.0 The World (somewhere) 78 5000.0 0.0 net,int,bitnet,uucp,unknown Soviet Union (former) 2 147.4 0.0 Mexico 1 81.4 0.0 India 1 844.0 0.0 Comments: * YES, I know that this count is a severe undercount, because a) not all Linux users can send E-mail b) of those that can send E-mail, a lot don't read c.o.l.announce Nevertheless, this count has already passed the previous largest real count of Linux-interested people (the c.o.l split vote, which had 1842 votes). * YES, the allocation of "com" to the US and "bitnet" to "the world" is more or less arbitary. I will think about getting a better split across countries in a week or two, but at least, we get an idea. * I don't think letting people register others into the count is a good idea. How shall we know whether two people are registering the same friend? * I count users, not machines. BBS users, who neither know nor care that their BBS is running on a Linux system, should probably not be counted, while "dialin UNIX" users with E-mail access probably should be. I will think about counting machines some time later (probably not before November). * So far, at least 38 of the replies from the counter have bounced. This means that 1.7 % of the mail has problems. I consider this good! One more word: PLEASE crosspost the vote request to local newsgroups, BBSes and the like! I believe many German Linux users (for instance) would read mostly their "own" newsgroups, and would get the information by such paths. From X.400 networks, the addresses S=linux-counter;O=uninett;PRMD=uninett;ADMD= ;C=no S=linux-counter;O=uninett;PRMD=uninett;ADMD=uninett;C=no might work. Have fun! -- Harald Tveit Alvestrand Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no G=Harald;I=T;S=Alvestrand;O=uninett;P=uninett;C=no +47 7 59 70 94 My son's name is Torbjørn. The letter between "j" and "r" is o with a slash. ------------------------------ From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson) Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.05) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1993 10:03:01 GMT Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of which groups you should read and post to. If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or from another Linux FTP site. In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!' The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place. Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not comp.os.linux.misc. Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions. Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in /pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq. Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration - should you post to comp.os.linux.misc. Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me ! -- Ian Jackson (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk) 2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England; phone: +44 223 64238 ------------------------------ From: cherasar@icarus.montclair.edu (Ken J. Cherasaro) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Ethernet Date: 6 Oct 93 20:18:40 GMT Has anyone out there gotten Linux to recognize a Intel Ethernet (etherexpress) card. When installing it did not recognize it for me. Can this be done after installation? If so how ? Any comments or suugestions are appreciated. Thnak you, Ken J. Cherasarto Actually Ken J. Cherasaro ------------------------------ From: tor@spacetec.no (Tor Arntsen) Subject: Re: The final BOGOMIP Date: 7 Oct 1993 10:45:15 GMT Reply-To: tor@spacetec.no In article kr5@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, ae71@amm06.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Bernd Kraemer) writes: >Now, weeks of fear & hope later, the bogomip-question (THE question) has found to be solvable - and more... is already solved by numerical approximation and methods using fractal-evolution (dd41-Mutation, 20ssi). > >The result: 41 --- Hmm, I thought it would be 42.. ;-) Tor (tor@spacetec.no) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: New Chat System Available From: morley@suncad.camosun.bc.ca (Mark Morley) Date: 6 Oct 93 21:13:37 PDT Riccardo Pizzi (pizzi@nervous.com) wrote: : In article <1993Oct4.212649.1544@camins.camosun.bc.ca> morley@suncad.camosun.bc.ca (Mark Morley) writes: : >Check it out by telneting to buckyball.camosun.bc.ca on port 7000. It's : >only a couple days old so I want to hear all bug reports! If you want the : >code I'll make it available via FTP. It consists of a single .C file and : >should compile under most Unix's : Why don't you post it in alt.sources, for those like me who lacks FTP access? Well I would 'cept I don't get the alt.* groups... :-( Mark ------------------------------ From: grassi@pluto.sm.dsi.unimi.it (stefano grassi) Subject: info on athena widget set Date: 7 Oct 1993 13:11:00 +0100 Hi all, i have a little question...i know that there is a PD file to learn programming in C++, is there anything similar for programming with Athena Widgets ? Thanks Stefano _________________________________________________________________________ / / / Department of / / Stefano Grassi / Falling in love with Clara / Computer / / Via Monte Leone 21 / / Science / / 28040 Dormelletto (NO) / E-mail address: / University of / / Tel. 0322/498017 / grassi@ghost.sm.dsi.unimi.it / Milan (ITALY) / /________________________/_______________________________/_______________/ ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help From: dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com (David E. Wexelblat) Subject: Re: Xfree vs. BIOS Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 14:03:59 GMT In article kenny@festival.ed.ac.uk (K J MacDonald) writes: > Michael Griffith (grif@ucrengr.ucr.edu) wrote: > : In article <28uv1s$gos@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu>, > : Barzilai Spinak wrote: > : [citation deleted] > : > I want to give a humble (and maybe a little naive) comment on that. > : >If, as you say, all the needed video info can be gotten by BIOS calls, a few > [more stuff deleted] > : Perhaps you miss the point. Although it might be easy enough for us > : to interrogate the BIOS in Linux, it will not be so easy to do that > : for the dozen or so other OS's that Xfree runs on. The Xfree folks > : are not interested in solutions that only work on one out of many of > : the operating systems that they support. > > This scheme doesn't have to have anything to do with the X Free 86 code. > All it needs to do is write a locally correct XConfig file. > > Whether I'd trust the information or not is a different matter. How > would it get the monitor bandwidth for example. > > Is this a dead end ? Very likely. I don't think there is any general way to do what is being discussed. Where the BIOS stores the actual video parameters is completely up to the BIOS, and there is no standard, as far as I know. Hence I don't think it can be automated. It is possible to determine this by disassembling the BIOS and finding where the tables are located, but I consider this an ethically questionable practice, so I have never done this. What I have done is write some DOS-based programs to extract register values for a given mode. This has served to allow me to develop a relatively successful set of generic modes, which will be included with XFree86 2.0, along with a new document on how to get up and running. Basically, we have modes that should provide a working, if not optimal (in size and positioning), set of 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, etc modes for any monitor. I think. Some very old, or esoteric fixed-frequency monitors may not work with these modes, but there has been no case where someone on the XFree86 beta team wasn't able to get at least one working mode at each resolution from the set. The idea is to get people up and running, and then let them tweak size, position, refresh rates, etc, based on the detailed documentation. > > Kenny. > -- > ============================================================================== > Kenneth MacDonald E-mail: kenny@ed > Dept. of Geology & Geophysics "Allow me to introduce myself, Major Dennis > University of Edinburgh Bloodnok, International Christmas Pudding -- David Wexelblat (908) 957-5871 Fax: (908) 957-5305 AT&T Bell Laboratories, 200 Laurel Ave - 3F-428, Middletown, NJ 07748 XFree86 requests should be addressed to "If you don't expect too much from me, you might not be let down." -- Gin Blossoms, "Hey Jealousy" ------------------------------ From: nation@snoopy.sanders.lockheed.com (Robert Nation) Subject: Re: Window managers Date: 7 Oct 93 10:13:21 >On our DECstation 3100 at Uni something strange happened: >-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 389120 Mar 15 1991 twm* >-rwxr-xr-x 1 frank 590960 Oct 3 18:37 fvwm* >while fvwm was even compiled without Xpm and shaped window support.Is this >a fault of mine or of Ultrix ? I assume that you have either a stripped twm and unstripped fvwm binary, or some libraries are staticly linked in fvwm and not in twm. Here are some sizes on a sun4/SunOS4.1.3 for comparison All binaries are stripped, all except mwm are dynamically linked, all use the same library releases. The xpm color icon libraries are statically linked. Note that sun-4 binaries are typically somewhat bigger than linux binaries. nation@dopey>ls *wm* -rwxrwxr-x 1 nation 114688 Oct 6 15:15 fvwm -rwxrwxr-x 1 nation 81920 Oct 7 10:01 fvwm-laptop -rwxrwxr-x 1 nation 73728 Oct 7 09:53 fvwm-minimal -rwxrwxr-x 1 nation 98304 Oct 7 09:48 fvwm-noxpm -rwxrwxr-x 1 nation 90112 Oct 7 09:51 fvwm-noxpm-noshape -rwxr-xr-x 1 nation 1884160 Oct 7 09:46 mwm -rwxr-xr-x 1 nation 229486 Oct 7 10:08 olwm -rwxrwxr-x 1 nation 229376 Oct 7 10:08 tvtwm -rwxr-xr-x 1 nation 155648 Oct 7 10:08 twm nation@dopey>size *wm* text data bss dec hex 106496 8192 0 114688 1c000 fvwm 73728 8192 0 81920 14000 fvwm-laptop 65536 8192 0 73728 12000 fvwm-minimal 90112 8192 0 98304 18000 fvwm-noxpm 81920 8192 0 90112 16000 fvwm-noxpm-noshape 1679360 204800 11040 1895200 1ceb20 mwm 188416 40960 0 229376 38000 olwm 204800 24576 8400 237776 3a0d0 tvtwm 131072 24576 14656 170304 29940 twm nation@dopey>ldd *wm* fvwm: -lXext.4 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.4.10 -lX11.4 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.4.10 -lc.1 => /usr/lib/libc.so.1.8 -ldl.1 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0 fvwm-laptop: (no icons at all, no shape extensions) -lX11.4 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.4.10 -lc.1 => /usr/lib/libc.so.1.8 -ldl.1 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0 fvwm-minimal: (no icons, no shape, no-virtual) -lX11.4 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.4.10 -lc.1 => /usr/lib/libc.so.1.8 -ldl.1 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0 fvwm-noxpm: (mono-chrome icons only, shape extensions in) -lXext.4 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.4.10 -lX11.4 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.4.10 -lc.1 => /usr/lib/libc.so.1.8 -ldl.1 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0 fvwm-noxpm-noshape: (monochrome icons, no shape extensions) -lX11.4 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.4.10 -lc.1 => /usr/lib/libc.so.1.8 -ldl.1 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0 mwm: statically linked olwm: -lolgx.3 => /usr/openwin/lib/libolgx.so.3.1 -lX11.4 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.4.10 -lc.1 => /usr/lib/libc.so.1.8 -ldl.1 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0 tvtwm: -lXmu.4 => /usr/lib/libXmu.so.4.10 -lXext.4 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.4.10 -lX11.4 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.4.10 -lc.1 => /usr/lib/libc.so.1.8 -ldl.1 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0 twm: -lXmu.4 => /usr/lib/libXmu.so.4.10 -lXext.4 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.4.10 -lX11.4 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.4.10 -lc.1 => /usr/lib/libc.so.1.8 -ldl.1 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0 ------------------------------ From: houten@pcssdc.pttnwb.nl (K. van Houten) Subject: Where is the source for /usr/bin/time ? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 14:12:44 GMT Hi, I'm using SLS 1.03, 0.99.13, and the 'time' command complains about using old stat system call. Where can I find the source to recompile? -- Karel van Houten, DOMAIN: houten@pttnwb.nl PTT Telecom b.v. UUCP: uunet!mcsun!sun4nl!pttdis!houten 's-Gravenhage, The Netherlands VOICE: +31 70 3434947 ------------------------------ From: rbrewer@rwb114.rh.psu.edu (Robert W. Brewer) Subject: Re: Linux Magazine... Date: 7 Oct 1993 14:58:09 GMT Reply-To: rbrewer@rwb114.rh.psu.edu I would also be very interested in a Linux magazine. -Rob -- Robert W. Brewer Linux and XFree86: Two great tastes... ------------------------------ From: neal@ctd.comsat.com (Neal Becker) Crossposted-To: comp.text.tex Subject: Re: New dvi driver for epson-like printers Date: 07 Oct 1993 14:22:09 GMT >>>>> "al-b" == al-b writes: In article <749933817.21715@minster.york.ac.uk> al-b@minster.york.ac.uk writes: al-b> What about support for MakeTeXPK..? Has it been done? Is it al-b> possible? This may happen some day. Remember that eps is based on mctex. I didn't write this and don't completely understand it. I think I found the place to put hooks in (I think it needs to go in the mctex lib, not in my code), but I don't know what all the different parameters mean (dvimag? usermag?...), so I haven't tried it yet. In principle, if I knew just what font was needed, putting in the required system() or fork/exec is trivial. ------------------------------ From: jwest@jwest.ecen.okstate.edu Subject: another test Date: 6 Oct 93 02:33:31 GMT Please ignore. Last test. 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