From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 11:13:26 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #185 Linux-Misc Digest #185, Volume #1 Wed, 6 Oct 93 11:13:26 EDT Contents: Xconfig for Tvga8900 + crappy monitor (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh) Re: New Chat System Available (Mark Morley) BBS - anyone got real experience using Linux for ? (Alan Osborne) Re: PCNFS on Linux? (Michael A. Irons) Re: Making an install boot disk (Brian McCauley) Linux Magazine... (Derek Jones) Re: Window Managers (CHANGAROTH A M) *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.05) (Ian Jackson) Re: Bogomip (Ian Jackson) [SLS] Tell me, what's wrong with the SLS? (Han-Wen Nienhuys) New (better ;-) ) Chat System Available (Markus Storm) Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd (Heribert Dahms) Re: PCNFS on Linux? (Byron A Jeff) PPP for Linux? Well... almost as good (Andrew R. Tefft) PL/I under LINUX ? [Q] Boot disk dies after sound card probe.. (James G.) PERL (Dr David Kyte) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: a228dhal@cdf.toronto.edu (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh) Subject: Xconfig for Tvga8900 + crappy monitor Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 07:04:12 GMT # $Header: /home/x_cvs/mit/server/ddx/x386/Xconfig,v 1.14 1992/09/12 07:03:09 dawes Exp $ # $XConsortium: Xconfig,v 1.2 91/08/26 14:34:55 gildea Exp $ # # Copyright 1990,91 by Thomas Roell, Dinkelscherben, Germany. # # Permission to use, copy, modify, distribute, and sell this software and its # documentation for any purpose is hereby granted without fee, provided that # the above copyright notice appear in all copies and that both that # copyright notice and this permission notice appear in supporting # documentation, and that the name of Thomas Roell not be used in # advertising or publicity pertaining to distribution of the software without # specific, written prior permission. Thomas Roell makes no representations # about the suitability of this software for any purpose. It is provided # "as is" without express or implied warranty. # # THOMAS ROELL DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES WITH REGARD TO THIS SOFTWARE, # INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS, IN NO # EVENT SHALL THOMAS ROELL BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, INDIRECT OR # CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE, # DATA OR PROFITS, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE OR OTHER # TORTIOUS ACTION, ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR # PERFORMANCE OF THIS SOFTWARE. # # Author: Thomas Roell, roell@informatik.tu-muenchen.de # # some nice paths, to avoid conflicts with other X-servers # RGBPath "/usr/X386/lib/X11/rgb" #FontPath "/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" FontPath "/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" # Use this if the Type1 font code is in the server #FontPath "/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" # NoTrapSignals #Xqueue Keyboard AutoRepeat 500 5 # Xleds 1 2 3 ServerNumLock # DontZap MicroSoft "/dev/ttyS1" BaudRate 1200 SampleRate 150 # Emulate3Buttons # # Next the mono driver # vga256 Chipset "tvga8900c" Videoram 1024 Viewport 0 0 Virtual 1024 1024 Clocks 25.2 28.3 44.9 36.0 50.35 40.35 65.0 75.0 Modes "800x600" "640x480" ModeDB # OFFICIAL VESA Monitor timings + IBM Standards - TRY THESE FIRST # Contributor: Thomas Roell [roell@sgcs.com] # Last Edit Date: 3/29/92 # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags "640x480" 25 640 672 768 800 480 490 492 525 "800x600" 36 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 -- ======================== a228dhal@cdf.toronto.edu Bikram Dhaliwal (416) 845-4567 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: New Chat System Available From: morley@suncad.camosun.bc.ca (Mark Morley) Date: 5 Oct 93 14:40:55 PDT Mark Morley (morley@suncad.camosun.bc.ca) wrote: : Hi all... : Over the weekend I decided to learn about writing TCP/IP servers. The : result is a multi-user "real time" chat system I've tentatively named ChatMUD. Hi again... Please be patient if you try telnetting and don't get an answer. I'm adding a couple things to the chat system and it is intermittently down. Mark ------------------------------ From: alan@osborne.demon.co.uk (Alan Osborne) Subject: BBS - anyone got real experience using Linux for ? Reply-To: alan@osborne.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 08:12:37 +0000 I'd really like some 'horse's mouth' comments from people who have tried using Linux as a platform for a BBS. I know there are a couple of packages available (XBBS etc) - which do you use and what are your comments ? In theory, of course, Linux should make an excellent platform. But in all honesty, in practice would it be better to use a well established dos package at the moment ? Why, or why not ? I think I've traced all the FAQ's on the subject, but I'd really like to hear from working sysops on this and will summarise here if there's a good response. Thanks all. -- AO_ ------------------------------ From: mirons@icarus.ci.net (Michael A. Irons) Subject: Re: PCNFS on Linux? Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 19:36:26 GMT As PCNFS is NFS for a PC, and linux has an NFS filesystem, why would you want to try and get PCNFS onto linux (if it's even possible) ?? -- Mike Irons mirons@Icarus.CI.NET ------------------------------ From: bam@wcl-l.bham.ac.uk (Brian McCauley) Subject: Re: Making an install boot disk Date: 06 Oct 1993 08:52:13 GMT Reply-To: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk In article <13125@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> bcr@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Bill C. Riemers) writes: In article B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: >Here's a little script I use to make a _maintainace_ boot disk. It >can be used to install. This is not perfect (in fact it's not even the >latest version - that's on my other machine). >cp /lib/libc.so.4 $TMP/mnt/lib/ Better, move this line earlier in the file and precede it with the command: makehole $TMP/mnt/lib/libc.so.4 This will save you about 300k, so you can copy gzip, tar, ... instead of making links to it. Afterall, if you want the disk to be useful for install- ation and crash recovery, you have to consider the case when nothing is available on the harddrive. Pardon - my script *does* copy gzip and tar! The only links that it puts in place are either within the floppy or those required to run emacs (I'd like to see you get that on a floppy ;-) ). I guess I assumed that cp did not un-makehole the file. Perhaps someone could explain to me what makehole does as clearly my understanding is wrong. -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Voice: +44 21 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 21 627 2171 (work) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | Fax: +44 21 627 2175 (work) # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | Snail: 197 Harborne Lane, B29 6SS, UK ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | ICBM: 52.5N 1.9W ------------------------------ From: derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk (Derek Jones) Subject: Linux Magazine... Date: 6 Oct 1993 05:33:35 -0400 Reply-To: derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk (Derek Jones) Someone said: |When there is a magazine for Linux that can help the people AND when there |is a almost complete Linux system that you may easily install and that you |may WORK WITH (easy word processing ... :) ), then there will be a much |larger number of people who use Linux. Heeeyyyy, I might bite here. Is anyone working on a magazine? I put together a small venture back in the early part of this year producing a C magazine but it had to fold when I crashed my car. ($$$) 8-( . However, - perhaps this is a good next venture. It would be no sweat to rejig my page-makeup designs to accomodate a new magazine. Caveat: I am not a TeX user, (Yeeurrch), preferring the likes of AMI PRO over it. (Sorry, yup, I use Messy DOS and WinDoZE for DTP). Sooo, such a mag would be distributable in printable formats only, (PS, HP, Dot Matrix?). If there's enough interest, I *might* be able to make a proper commercial venture out of it and put it in a "glossy" format for folks to buy. (BTW, the previous magazine I put together was sold at virtually no profit to myself, - the idea was that the cover price would pay for the production, mailing and sundry costs and hence be self financing. I'm thinking along the same lines for a LINUX mag. [ though I wouldn't *discount* profit... 8-) ] ) What does the community think? regards Derek. -- Derek Jones. System Manager. A.I. Vision Research Unit, Sheffield University, Western Bank, Sheffield. S10 2TN. U.K. Tel: (+44) (0)742 826551 email: derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk FAX: (+44) (0)742 766515 ------------------------------ From: aa160@city.ac.uk (CHANGAROTH A M) Subject: Re: Window Managers Date: 6 Oct 93 08:42:52 GMT sjkangas@major.cs.mtu.edu (STEVEN J. KANGAS) writes: > Anybody else notice how your dos partition keeps getting smaller >and smaller the longer you've had Linux? Right now, I have 130 meg set >aside for Linux, and I'm still running out of space. I can envision >a day when dos is gone altogether. That'll probably be the day when >WINE and DOSEMU are perfected. >-- >Steve Kangas >sjkangas@major.cs.mtu.edu WINE maybe, but I'm not so sure about DOSEMU. I was a DOS junkie for ages, and now only use it for WordPerfect stuff. WINE and a Word Processor and I'd remove my 20 Meg stackered DOS partition forever. Cheers, -- Anup M Changaroth Computer Systems Engineering Internet: aa160@city.ac.uk City University, London ------------------------------ From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson) Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.05) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1993 10:03:02 GMT Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of which groups you should read and post to. If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or from another Linux FTP site. In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!' The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place. Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not comp.os.linux.misc. Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions. Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in /pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq. Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration - should you post to comp.os.linux.misc. Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me ! -- Ian Jackson (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk) 2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England; phone: +44 223 64238 ------------------------------ From: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) Subject: Re: Bogomip Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 01:22:53 GMT In article , Liefting W wrote: >About the BogoMip stuff... This seems to be the 2nd time (at least) that >this thread comes along. Shall I write a piece about it for the FAQ? >Perhaps it saves some traffic in the future. I should have done so last time this came up - my apologies to everyone. The next issue of the FAQ will include this: \question 03oct What is a BogoMip ? `BogoMips' is a contraction of `Bogus MIPS'. MIPS stands for (depending who you listen to) Millions of Instructions per Second, or Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed. The number printed at boot-time is the result of a kernel delay-loop calculation - Use the Force, Read the Source for more details. It is \it{very\} approximately related to the speed of the CPU in MHz, however it is absolutely useless as a benchmark for comparing machines. Don't be surprised if you see a different number to what you were expecting. Most especially please do not post about it to \courier{comp.os.linux.*\} ! Comments are welcomed, of course, as they are on any aspect of the FAQ. -- Ian Jackson, at home or PGP2 public key available on server. Urgent email: 2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England; phone: +44 223 64238 ------------------------------ From: hanwen@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Han-Wen Nienhuys) Subject: [SLS] Tell me, what's wrong with the SLS? Date: 6 Oct 1993 10:50:26 GMT I regularly read about the SLS 1.03. The FAQ advises to stay clear of the SLS release.. I installed the SLS 1.03. a week or so ago. I had little difficulties, apart from the permissions on /dev. I tried to demonstrate the protection of Unix to my brother, with rm -r / :-). So, I'm interested: what are the bugs in SLS1.03?? greetings, /HaWee/ {fido: 2:284/102,email: hanwen@stack.urc.tue.nl} ------------------------------ From: storm@uni-paderborn.de (Markus Storm) Subject: New (better ;-) ) Chat System Available Date: 6 Oct 1993 11:54:56 GMT Reply-To: storm@uni-paderborn.de In article <1993Oct5.144055.1558@camins.camosun.bc.ca>, morley@suncad.camosun.bc.ca (Mark Morley) writes: |> Over the weekend I decided to learn about writing TCP/IP servers. The |> result is a multi-user "real time" chat system I've tentatively named ChatMUD. [some features] Well, here's another one: MeetingRooms, available on ftp.uni-paderborn.de in /pub/unix/games. It also features most described features. It does need a client program, but therefore it features really nice color 3D graphics, and the source code including LaTeX doc is freely available. Regards, Markus ------------------------------ From: DAHMS@ifk20.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de (Heribert Dahms) Subject: Re: FYI.. benchmarks on linux and 386bsd Date: 6 Oct 1993 12:29:01 GMT In <28tn7i$fl8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bf703@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes: : In a previous article, cgd@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Chris G. Demetriou) says: : : >In article Mark_Weaver@brown.edu writes: : >>You you were running gcc version 1 (the default that comes with : >>386bsd 0.1) then that explains it. gcc2 has a significantly better : >>optimizer that could easily explain this kind of speed difference. : > : >geez, considering that 386bsd beat linux by a large percentage : >with a *poorer* optimizer, i'm not sure i want to think about : >with an equivalent optimizer... *chuckle* : : 386bsd doesn't have shared libraries, does it? If it does, I don't think : they're in common use. It might be more fair to make sure the Linux : binary is statically linked as well. : : -- : Patrick Volkerding : volkerdi@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu : bf703@cleveland.freenet.edu What's the difference between static or shared for a 1-hour-number-cruncher benchmark? Program startup is only once! Also paging should make no difference, may be the computing loop even executes completely out of CPU cache. Or do I have missed the point? Bye, Heribert (dahms@ifk20.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de) ------------------------------ From: byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) Subject: Re: PCNFS on Linux? Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 13:02:40 GMT In article , Michael A. Irons wrote: > As PCNFS is NFS for a PC, and linux has an NFS filesystem, why would >you want to try and get PCNFS onto linux (if it's even possible) ?? By my very limited understanding of PCNFS requires a pcnfsd server on the Unix side of things so that a DOS PCNFS client can operate properly when attached. This server is publicly distributable. Is this right? BAJ >-- > > Mike Irons > > mirons@Icarus.CI.NET --- Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of... Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel! Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu ------------------------------ From: teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com (Andrew R. Tefft) Subject: PPP for Linux? Well... almost as good Reply-To: teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 12:42:10 GMT About once a week on average someone asks if there is PPP for Linux. Nobody ever answers so the general consensus is no -- it seems that everyone with the capability to produce PPP is satisfied with SLIP. We run MorningStar PPP on our suns. I have just found out that this implementation can also do SLIP. First, some info on SLIP vs. PPP. This may be slanted towards PPP since it came from MorningStar's PPP manual. And probably all the SLIP limitations are limitations based on MorningStar's implementation. "SLIP is really only a framing convention for arranging IP packets on a link, and it provides few of PPP's advanced facilities.... SLIP does not support the Asynchronous Control Character Map feature or the escape option, and therefore can only be used over connections that are [ completely 8-bit clean ]...." The GOOD news is that this SLIP implementation DOES have the autodialing, idle line hangup, packet filtering, and other useful management facilities. But more bad news may be that the on-demand dialing feature really isn't useful unless your Linux box runs a slip *server* (is such a thing available?), since the "other end" running MorningStar PPP would have to make the connection to your Linux box. So, the point is, for all you PPP people out there, check with whoever you want to connect to, they may be able to give you slip access with their current PPP server (whether they are willing to is another matter). I am going to try to set this up for myself this week. --- Andy Tefft - new, expanded .sig - teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com ------------------------------ From: p@math-phys.FernUni-Hagen.de () Subject: PL/I under LINUX ? Date: 6 Oct 1993 12:32:19 GMT Hi, I am very interested in a free PL/I compiler for LINUX. A converter from PL/I to C is welcomed as well. Does somebody know where I can find such a compiler (source or executable)? Thanks very much, Eberhard.Pietzsch at FernUni-Hagen.de ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: jamesg@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu (James G.) Subject: [Q] Boot disk dies after sound card probe.. Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 02:50:17 GMT I'm trying to install SLS 1.03. I DiskDumped the a1.3 file to a 1.44 disk. When trying to boot from it, it hangs after saying it located and initialized an Adlib card (my soundblast). And the light stays lit, and I assume the disk is still spinning. Is there any cure for this? I've even tried removing my soundcard, but to no avail. I had no problems with SLS 1.0 Please, any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated! (Please, also, no SLS wars...) Thanks, James ------------------------------ From: djk@uamps.demon.co.uk (Dr David Kyte) Subject: PERL Reply-To: Djk@uamps.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 14:48:00 +0000 Has anybody included IPC in their PERL binaries? If so can anybody mail me the options selected for the Configure script that geneartaes the binaries under Linux. Thanks -- Dr Bunsen: Looking for little perls of code! ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************