From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 11:29:00 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #180 Linux-Misc Digest #180, Volume #1 Mon, 4 Oct 93 11:29:00 EDT Contents: Re: [A] Why 486 Turbo off same as on (or close) Re: Bogomip (Vaughan R. Pratt) Re: DOS EMULATOR (G. Douglas Mauldin) Re: linux and as/400 (Keith Smith) Re: Random program crashes under heavy disk use (Keith Smith) Elm with MIME & Metamail (Sameer Parekh) Re: WHAT HAVE I TO DO TO SET UP THE .PROFILE (Peter Singhof) *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.05) (Ian Jackson) ct sources for Linux? (Arnd Vehling) Re: Bogomip (Kenneth J. Hoover) Re: Bogomip (Darin Cowan) tamu (Steve Nunez) NO QUESTIONS please (Re: "df" does not work on SLS 1.03, help!!!) (Ian Jackson) Don't use SLS (Re: Which linux should I install...or which is best?) (Ian Jackson) Re: Bogomip (Liefting W) Does anyone have a Xircom Etherlink III? (not on H.C. list) (Morgan Stair) Re: Bogomip (Liefting W) Re: Bogomip (Eberhard Moenkeberg) Re: Man pages for tar/gtar - WHERE?? (Eberhard Moenkeberg) Re: Quick HARDWARE COMPATIBILTY snapshot (rich@mulvey.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Vaughan R. Pratt) Subject: Re: [A] Why 486 Turbo off same as on (or close) Re: Bogomip Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 04:48:01 GMT In article <28g52uINNnbh@apache.dtcc.edu> joe@apache.dtcc.edu (Joe Brown) writes: >In article <1993Sep29.171201.13504@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Vaughan R. Pratt) writes: >... >> Looking at an AMD386SXL/25 just now I see 2.9 Bogomips, while a >> 486SLC2/50 (25 Mhz external) is saying 14.6, and a 486DX-33 gives >> 16.6. For reasons I *completely* do not understand, turning off Turbo >> reduces the SLC to only 14.2 while the DX drops to 3.67. This makes no >> sense to me. >... >Some 486 motherboards don't reduce the clock frequency/3. Instead, >they just disable the cache (external, I believe). Meanwhile I RTFM for the 486DX-33 and it said the turbo switch disabled the *internal* cache. This board has secondary cache (256K), so to drop from 16.6 to 3.67 it would seem that the secondary cache would have to be turned off too. The 486SLC2 manual was silent on this question. In view of the very small change in speed it is plausible that it turns off one cache but not the other. One of these days I'll get around to tracing the wires to see. -- Vaughan Pratt (FTPables: boole.stanford.edu:/pub/ABSTRACTS.) ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: DOS EMULATOR From: gdm@myhost.subdomain.domain (G. Douglas Mauldin) Date: 3 Oct 93 23:52:05 -0600 Horng-Ming Tai (ming@med.umich.edu) wrote: : Is there anyone knows how to setup dos emulator? : I have troubles on running dos applications. : TKS. Me,too! --- Opinions, viewpoints, prejudices, political incorrectitude, iggorance and/or stupidity contained herein are not those of the University of Arkansas at Little Rock, the University of Arkansas system, the State of Arkansas, the United States of America, nor any other group with whichÿI may be perceived to be associated. Doug Mauldin gdm@eieio.ualr.edu --- ------------------------------ From: keith@ksmith.com (Keith Smith) Subject: Re: linux and as/400 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 93 04:07:30 GMT In article <28cbmu$f3m@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, Bernd Kraemer wrote: [Find your return key] >Is anything known about connecting LINUX to an AS/400-System (via >token-ring for example) ... thanx for ANY comment to this. It would have to be Ethernet at this stage via TCP/IP. This can be purchased for an AS/400. The question that comes to mind is _WHY_ anyone would want an AS/400 for this purpose. If you want to program in RPG-II/III OCL/QCL/CL then use the stupid thing. I tend to avoid machines with operating systems that take up 1G of disk space. If I just wanted space, I'd buy a couple of 1G drives for the linux box. -- Keith Smith keith@ksmith.com 5719 Archer Rd. Digital Designs BBS 1-919-423-4216 Hope Mills, NC 28348-2201 Somewhere in the Styx of North Carolina ... ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: keith@ksmith.com (Keith Smith) Subject: Re: Random program crashes under heavy disk use Date: Sun, 03 Oct 93 16:13:57 GMT In article , Raymond L. Toy wrote: > >A while back I posted a message about getting random program crashes >under heavy disk usage. Here's the scenario: > >Start "dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null" and "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null" >at the same time. Then under X, cyclically raise windows, compile the >kernel, or otherwise cause some swapping. Shortly thereafter, random >programs will crash. Sometimes, an xterm, the clock, emacs, one of >the dd's, or even the window manager will disappear with a core dump. > >This is not a memory problem. I have 8MB RAM with 16 MB swap file. >With out the dd's running, I have plenty of swap left. Ding, Ding... Hmm, This could be the cause of my disk trash problems under EXT2. Same same with some testing. Shell scripts and other executables exit with Seg faults at random. Wierd stuff. free shows no appreciable swapping. >The problem is definitely with accessing both disks. If I do >everything on one disk, nothing crashes. Once I do some reasonable >disk activity on the second disk, things start crashing. Hmm, Never really noticed that part of it, but I have news constantly spooling on one disk. Check, Check. I run a 7000FASST2. I can't even get a compile of the kernel to fly all the way thru without crashing. It _may_ have something to do with swapping on a SCSI disk. As a note, my swap partition is 16M at the BEGINNING of the disk, and when this happens, I cannot reboot via lilo. It halts with LIL-. Wierdness like this could put fits into complex filesystem code. >Some machine specifics: > > Linux 0.99 pl 13, libc 4.4.1, xfree 1.3 > 386 33MHz, Mylex motherboard, 8 MB RAM > FD-1680 SCSI controller > Conner CP30200 > Quantum LPS240 0.99pl13 (SLS 1.03 with new kernel & latest Net-2) libc 4.4.2 (You might try this. The problems were worse under 4.4.1) 386/40 Opti WD7000FASST2 Maxtor 4380S (I think 330 MB) Micropolis 1598 (~1G) > >Does anyone else have this problem? Is this a kernel bug, perhaps in >the SCSI driver? Perhaps. Are you running the net code? >At first this didn't bother me too much, but I'm starting to get >annoyed with it. Very, a reboot solves the problem, provided you have a boot disk in my case. -- Keith Smith keith@ksmith.com 5719 Archer Rd. Digital Designs BBS 1-919-423-4216 Hope Mills, NC 28348-2201 Somewhere in the Styx of North Carolina ... ------------------------------ From: sameer@soda.berkeley.edu (Sameer Parekh) Subject: Elm with MIME & Metamail Date: 4 Oct 1993 07:07:09 GMT I wanted to get elm w/MIME and metamail running, so I pulled the source of elm and metamail, but I haven't been able to compile it for linux. (I'm no wizard, so I haven't tried for very long.) How would one compile elm for linux? (I'd like to compile it myself, because actually there's another patch I'd like to throw into my elm.) Thanks. (I'm using SLS 1.03) ------------------------------ From: si@mbpdo.UUCP (Peter Singhof) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux Subject: Re: WHAT HAVE I TO DO TO SET UP THE .PROFILE Date: 4 Oct 93 07:58:14 GMT Robert Stuart, The University of Queensland (mail_stuart@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au) wrote: : In article <1993Sep30.014222.13013@news.clarkson.edu>, glancebe@omnigate.clarkson.edu (Bryan E. Glancey Jr) writes: : if want to use csh use chsh in the /bin dir ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Nice try, but there is no csh in the SLS 1.03 release. To the starter of this thread: change your command from setenv PATH bla bla to export PATH=bla bla and your environment should be set up correct. For further infos, RTFM!!!! Bye Peter -- ================================================================================== Peter Singhof Tel.: +49-231-944-1667 No, i'm not speaking for my employer! FATAL SYSTEM ERROR: Usenet: unido!mbpdo!si , si@mbpdo.UUCP NO COFFEE DETECTED - USER HALTED ! ------------------------------ From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson) Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.05) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1993 10:03:01 GMT Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of which groups you should read and post to. If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or from another Linux FTP site. In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!' The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place. Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not comp.os.linux.misc. Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions. Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in /pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq. Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration - should you post to comp.os.linux.misc. Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me ! -- Ian Jackson (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk) 2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England; phone: +44 223 64238 ------------------------------ From: pop@wg.saar.de (Arnd Vehling) Subject: ct sources for Linux? Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 11:06:12 GMT Hi, i am looking for generic ct sources ar an adaption for Linux. Everything else which will implement a call-back function will although do. A r n d ------------------------------ From: ken@PSUEDVAX.PSU.EDU (Kenneth J. Hoover) Subject: Re: Bogomip Date: 4 Oct 1993 12:38:59 GMT Reply-To: ken@PSUEDVAX.PSU.EDU In article , peter@fns.greenie.muc.de (Peter Bechtold) writes: >imcclogh@cs.ucsd.edu (Ian McCloghrie) writes: >>freed@europa.orion.adobe.com (Alex Freed) writes: >>>Two more datapoints: >>>486DX-33 -----> 16.5 bogomips >>>486DLC-33 -----> 11.2 bogomips (Cyrix cross between 386 and 486) >>386DX-25 --> 3.91 BogoMips(tm). >386DX-33/387DX-33 --> 6.03 BogoMips(tm) >peter 386SX-33 (Intel) = 4.06 BogoMips(tm) Strange that this is higher than the 386DX/25. I guess the DX vs SX advantage for 386's isn't that much. - Ken -- Kenneth J. Hoover | "Not one shred of evidence exists that ITSS Supervisor of Systems & Ops | life is serious." - Joseph Campbell Penn State College of Education | ken@psuedvax.psu.edu * ken@psuedvax.bitnet ------------------------------ From: cowan@rubicon.org (Darin Cowan) Subject: Re: Bogomip Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 11:29:32 GMT In article rnunez@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Rudy Nunez (LAW)) writes: > > I gotta know the answer to this, and It is nothing life threating > . When I boot, I get a "36.09 BogoMip ". > My question is, just what the hell is a "BogoMip". Is it similar > to Mip , but > figures with the co-processor or something? I gotta know..... > > When Linux calculates my delay loop, I only get 7.29 Bogomips on my 386-40. ------------------------------ From: skn@engr.ucf.edu (Steve Nunez) Subject: tamu Date: 4 Oct 1993 13:05:59 GMT Does anyone have a valid email address for Dave Safford (tamu distribution?) I sent mail to d-safford@tamu.edu, but it was bounced. I have some questions regarding email and uucp in that package. - Steve Nunez ------------------------------ From: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) Subject: NO QUESTIONS please (Re: "df" does not work on SLS 1.03, help!!!) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1993 15:18:30 GMT In article , Gautam H. Thaker wrote: > >I am running SLS 1.03. THe "df" command does not work for me. >It says "can not read table of mounted file systems." Please do not ask questions in col.misc. RTF daily postings, RTF FAQs, RTF READMEs. Also, this question is answered in the FAQ. Q7.4. Sigh. -- Ian Jackson, at home or PGP2 public key available on server. Urgent email: 2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England; phone: +44 223 64238 ------------------------------ From: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) Subject: Don't use SLS (Re: Which linux should I install...or which is best?) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1993 15:33:16 GMT In article <280vc7$sgm@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, Robert R. Novitskey wrote: >[...] > Should I use Slackware or SLS to best suit my needs? Definitely not SLS. I would recommend not using Slackware either, as it is SLS-derived, though I hear that it has had quite a few of the nasty bugs fixed. Use either MCC or TAMU. Both have had good reports; I've tried MCC and is is very good, though you have to download X separately (easy enough, especially compared to wrestling with bug after bug). -- Ian Jackson, at home or PGP2 public key available on server. Urgent email: 2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England; phone: +44 223 64238 ------------------------------ From: wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W) Subject: Re: Bogomip Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 14:03:12 GMT hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick) writes: >wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W) writes: >>my 486DX33 ----> 4.25 BogoMips (tm) >>What can I do? >look for an error in your BIOS setting or your turbo switch. Looks >like your machine is set at 8.5 MHz, which sounds plausible for >a machine with turbo off. Well, I found it... I upgraded my 286 some time ago with a brand new 486DX33-256Kb Cache mother board. (I feel sorry I didn't buy a Local Bus...) But I kept the old box, which has no turbo switch on it... Never a problem, never thought my system was slow or something, till I read this bogomips stuff. Friday evening late I took the old 286 motherboard, took a jumper off it, and placed it over the connector for the turbo switch on my 486 motherboard. And voila, from 4.27 to 16.44 BogoMips(tm) in less than 5 minutes. So, if anyone wants to know what the BogoMips are useful for: for me it was that now even MS-Windows (yuk) runs faster. And falcon 3.0 of course. Thanks everyone. Wouter. ------------------------------ From: morgan@dl5000.bc.edu (Morgan Stair) Subject: Does anyone have a Xircom Etherlink III? (not on H.C. list) Date: 04 Oct 1993 14:23:11 GMT Argh. I looked at the one page hardware compatability list, and the "Xircom Pocket Ethernet Adapter III" (which hooks up to the parallel port) isn't ont the list :-( Ethernet: 3Com 3c503, LanTastic AE-2, ATI 1500, Alta Combo, Cabletron, D-Link DE600 pocket adaptor and Ethernet II, Hewlett Packard 27245/27247/27250/PCLAN, Novell NE-1000/NE-2000/NE-2100, Western Digital 8003/8013, other 8390-based cards. Does anyone out there have one or know what I have to do to make it work? Thanks, Morgan -- /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | W. Morgan Stair Voice: (617)552-8783 | | Software Engineer Fax: (617)552-8778 | | Boston College/I.S.R. 4 Alfred Circle Bedford MA 01730 | \____________________________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ From: wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W) Subject: Re: Bogomip Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 14:26:42 GMT About the BogoMip stuff... This seems to be the 2nd time (at least) that this thread comes along. Shall I write a piece about it for the FAQ? Perhaps it saves some traffic in the future. Wouter. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 93 21:44:10 +0100 From: Eberhard_Moenkeberg@p27.rollo.central.de (Eberhard Moenkeberg) Subject: Re: Bogomip Hello Liefting and all others, on 30.09.93 Liefting W wrote to All in USENET.COMP.OS.LINUX.MISC: >> : Mine says 4.25 or 4.27 bogomips. Is my system really so slow? LW> >> What is your machine like? Mine says 33 or so, and that's a 486/66. LW> LW> It is a self-built 486DX33, 256Kb Cache. 4Mb mem (I believe 60ns) LW> (Yes, caching _is_ enabled) LW> Bus speed ~8MHz, (33/4) Your "turbo mode" is disabled, and on a 486, it makes that big difference... I have heard that 486 design disallows "dynamic" clock speed changes - so, they just disable caching totally if you switch them "low speed". Greetings ... Eberhard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Oct 93 12:51:35 +0100 From: Eberhard_Moenkeberg@p27.rollo.central.de (Eberhard Moenkeberg) Subject: Re: Man pages for tar/gtar - WHERE?? Hello Patrick and all others, on 02.10.93 Patrick J. Volkerding wrote to All in USENET.COMP.OS.LINUX.MISC: PJ> In a previous article, nick@quay.ie (Nick Hilliard) says: >> >> It doesn't exist. If you read the documentation for gtar, it says that it >> will be included in the next release. Real Soon Now, I'd say. >> PJ> I got so tired of this problem that I wrote a man page for GNU tar PJ> 1.11.2. I'll stick groff source for it in /pub/linux/misc on PJ> ftp.cdrom.com. At nic.funet.fi:/pub/OS/Linux/doc/LDP (or similar - just where the LDP files reside) are files tar.1* and tar.5* - groff man pages for GNU tar, dated jan93. Greetings ... Eberhard ------------------------------ From: rich@mulvey.com Subject: Re: Quick HARDWARE COMPATIBILTY snapshot Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1993 15:16:26 GMT Ed Carp (ub-gate!khijol!erc@uunet.uu.net) wrote: : While I'm getting the hardware list back together, here's a quick snapshot : of what works and what doesn't with linux. Mind you, this is with the : 0.99.13 kernel... : Please note that the list is in a new (and hopefully more readable) format. : It's kinda nice to walk into Fry's with a one page document and do one's : shopping... :) :) : Video for X: 640x480 mono for all VGA/SVGA cards. 256 colors up to : 1152x900 for chipsets S3, 8514, ET3000/ET4000, Paradise, : Western Digital 90c00/90c10/90c30, Genoa, ATI VGA Wonder/ : Mach/UltraPro, Trident 8900b/8900c/8900cl/8900cs/9000, : Cirrus Logic 5420/5422/5426, NCR 77c22/e, Compaq AVGA. Ed: You'll want to add Hercules MDA adapter to the above list. I've verified it on my two-monitor machine. :-) - Rich -- Rich Mulvey Amateur Radio: N2VDS Rochester, NY rich@mulvey.com "Ignorance should be painful." ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************