From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Thu, 19 Aug 93 04:22:39 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #18 Linux-Misc Digest #18, Volume #1 Thu, 19 Aug 93 04:22:39 EDT Contents: [SLS 1.03] update BUG (loadkeys) (GLAUDE DAVID) A question about the SLS sysinstall script's copyright (Michael Elkins) Re: A question about the SLS sysinstall script's copyright (Yonik Christopher Seeley) Re: A question about the SLS sysinstall script's copyright (Michael Elkins) demonstration of fragments (Markfried Fellensiek) Re: Is this hardware enough for LINUX? (Mark Cosham) Re: INN1.4 under Linux - WOW !!!!!! (Warner Losh) Re: Why would I want LINUX? (A Wizard of Earth C) gif/jpeg viewer (Sean Wheeler) Re: linux on EISA machines (Mike Horwath) Re: NFS boot? dickless linux? (Mike Horwath) Re: Xfree 1.3 with Diamond Viper (tHuH sYzTum g0D) DBLSPACE support (Jeff Auman) [Q] SLS-1.03 A1.3 Not Working? (Sylvan Katz) Re: Why would I want LINUX? (Brett Lymn) Re: A question about the SLS sysinstall script's copyright (John Henders) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dglaude@vub.ac.be (GLAUDE DAVID) Subject: [SLS 1.03] update BUG (loadkeys) Date: 18 Aug 93 23:33:42 GMT Sorry if this is a repost ... I had a probleme with my news reader.. BE CAREFULL WITH SLS 1.03 loadkeys !!! How Great SLS !!! They just upgrade to 0.99pl12 not alpha. That maybe was to try not to be the last one to make the step. But, as Linus said, you have to upgrade keyboard stuff due to a probleme with some Swiss keyboard. Does they read linus "readme" about the kernel ? Here is my contribution to your systeme... Putting the original keyboard stuff from 0.99pl12 into the right place to be ready to install with SLS 1.03 . I suggest that you get the folowing file and type these two lines (as root). Or that you remove the original keytbls.tgz and put my key-tbls.tgz in place. ... Until they fix it up ... ftp at is1.vub.ac.be: /pub/exchange/key-tbls.tgz (for 10 days at most) feel free to upload anywhere. sysinstall -remove keytbls sysinstall -install /your.path.to/key-tbls.tgz happy softlanding. glu. ===== +----------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | __ _ _ | +---------------------+ | | / ) / / / | | \ / | | | / / / / / | | \ GLU / | | | (__/ (__ (__/. | | \ / | | | --/------------ | | e-mail adresse: | | | ' / David GLAUDE: | |dglaude@is1.ulb.ac.be| | | (_/ dglaude@is1.ulb.ac.be | +---------------------+ | +----------------------------+-------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: elkins@aerospace.aero.org (Michael Elkins) Subject: A question about the SLS sysinstall script's copyright Date: 19 Aug 1993 00:59:57 GMT For a while I've been using the sysinstall script from the SLS package to keep track of what's installed on my system (I've long sinced ditched SLS because of how out of date a lot of stuff in it are), and today I read that the script itself is copyrighted. Well, being that nothing else on my system is, I figured that I'd ditch it and go my own way. So, I wrote a very simple install script (looks very much like the sysinstall script). My question is, is it ok for me to distribute my script (I think there are a few people who might use such a thing, if only for the sake that it's not copyrighted :) without violating some sort of "look and feel" copyright? My idea is to distribute my script such that anyone can do anything to it as long as they don't remove the message stating such, and the author attributions... me michael elkins elkins@aero.org computer science and technology subdivision aerospace corporation tel: +1 310-336-8040 el segundo, ca fax: +1 310-336-4402 ------------------------------ From: yseeley@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yonik Christopher Seeley) Subject: Re: A question about the SLS sysinstall script's copyright Date: Thu, 19 Aug 93 01:14:26 GMT In article <24ujad$84l@news.aero.org> elkins@aerospace.aero.org (Michael Elkins) writes: >For a while I've been using the sysinstall script from the SLS package to keep >track of what's installed on my system (I've long sinced ditched SLS because >of how out of date a lot of stuff in it are), and today I read that the script >itself is copyrighted. Well, being that nothing else on my system is, I ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wait a minute, isn't it the case that almost everything is copyrighted? This includes the Linux kernel. (Ya gunna go write your own? ;-) >figured that I'd ditch it and go my own way. So, I wrote a very simple install >script (looks very much like the sysinstall script). My question is, is it >ok for me to distribute my script (I think there are a few people who might >use such a thing, if only for the sake that it's not copyrighted :) without >violating some sort of "look and feel" copyright? My idea is to distribute my >script such that anyone can do anything to it as long as they don't remove the >message stating such, and the author attributions... > >me >michael elkins elkins@aero.org >computer science and technology subdivision >aerospace corporation tel: +1 310-336-8040 >el segundo, ca fax: +1 310-336-4402 - Yonik Seeley yseeley@cs.stanford.edu ------------------------------ From: elkins@aerospace.aero.org (Michael Elkins) Subject: Re: A question about the SLS sysinstall script's copyright Date: 19 Aug 1993 01:23:15 GMT In article <1993Aug19.011426.2526@leland.stanford.edu>, Yonik Christopher Seeley wrote: >In article <24ujad$84l@news.aero.org> elkins@aerospace.aero.org (Michael Elkins) writes: >>For a while I've been using the sysinstall script from the SLS package to keep >>track of what's installed on my system (I've long sinced ditched SLS because >>of how out of date a lot of stuff in it are), and today I read that the script >>itself is copyrighted. Well, being that nothing else on my system is, I > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Wait a minute, isn't it the case that almost everything is copyrighted? >This includes the Linux kernel. (Ya gunna go write your own? ;-) Oops! Ok, so *almost* everything! I was thinking more along the lines that most of the software was under the gnu copyleft... Freely modifiable and re-distributable (ooh! two new words). me michael elkins elkins@aero.org computer science and technology subdivision aerospace corporation tel: +1 310-336-8040 el segundo, ca fax: +1 310-336-4402 ------------------------------ From: ins413j@mdw051.cc.monash.edu.au (Markfried Fellensiek) Subject: demonstration of fragments Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 00:53:15 GMT For a demonstration of 'fragments' those of you who still have a dos partition, run Norton's "ncd" and examine the "sizes" menu on different directories. on my system's 30Mb dos partition I get: 19Mb used by files 25Mb allocated to files in a dir containing 27k of small source files: 27k used by files 247k allocated to files ie. overall there's 6Mb or so of space wasted due to the 2k block size. On linux ext2, the blocksize is a smaller 1024 bytes, so this problem is reduced, however on linux we often have LOTS of small files, which compounds this problem. On a typical 100Mb linux fs, i'd guess there's about 15Mb of such space "unused", this would need to be addressed first (like before a compressed fs?). my $0.02 Markfried ------------------------------ From: inu574f@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Cosham) Subject: Re: Is this hardware enough for LINUX? Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 01:59:00 GMT turgut kalfaoglu writes: >Hi. I am considering switching to linux to write X applications. >I will also need tcp/ip on the box to connect to various sites. >My boss is suggesting a 386SX-20Mhz machine with 6 Megs of RAM >and 80 Meg hard disk. It seems both too small in RAM and hard disk, >not to mention too sluggish. However, I have never tried LINUX, >so I don't know. Can someone tell me if it's an acceptable setup? >Thanks! -turgut You could probably run X quite happily on this set up, but you would benefit from a fast video card (eg. et4000) and a little more memory (8Mb). You would probably find that 80Mb is too little for Linux, but it depends on the things you want to run. Mark Cosham -- Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ===========> <=======> <=======> <=======> <=======> <=======> <=========== Mark Cosham Monash University, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia cosham@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au inu574f@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: news.software.nntp From: imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh) Subject: Re: INN1.4 under Linux - WOW !!!!!! Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 00:15:33 GMT In article pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) writes: >mmap works *only in COW or read only mode* Now that Linux has COWs, I wonder if it will implement any of the bovophbia enhancements that were described in a paper at USENIX a few years ago :-) Warner -- Warner Losh imp@boulder.parcplace.COM ParcPlace Boulder I've almost finished my brute force solution to subtlety. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc From: terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) Subject: Re: Why would I want LINUX? Date: Thu, 19 Aug 93 03:36:54 GMT In article <24sa6t$2qp@lobster.sid.mcet.edu> johnj@lobster.sid.mcet.edu (John Jackson) writes: > >: A lot of the FreeBSD and NetBSD traffic has moved off to mailing lists; >: for instance, this is Sunday night. The combined traffic on the FreeBSD >: mailing list alone on Saturday (14 Aug 93) and Sunday (15 Aug 93) has >: been 47 messages (I have hopes for 50 before the night is out -- it's >: 10:20PM here right now). > >Could you post the addresses for any/all of these lists? I try to stay >off lists and just use news, but in this case I definitely want to keep >up on the latest developments. Thanks!! The lists are for active participation in developement and discussion of common issues and the impact of changes (for instance, the new dbm code for the password file that allows more than 20 or so aliases in the aliases file). They aren't for release announcements or bug reporting. Contact information has been provided both in the patchkit documentation (for FreeBSD) and in the NetBSD documetation (for NetBSD). I think the only thing I would serve by posting addresses here is a bunch of "my serial driver doesn't work" and "why don't you implement this" messages to the lists by people who haven't gotten a satisfactory answer from the net and don't know how to use "sendbug". If you care enough to dig the information out and want to code, etc., the information is available. That's about all I can say about it. Terry Lambert terry@icarus.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. ------------------------------ From: swheeler@netcom.com (Sean Wheeler) Subject: gif/jpeg viewer Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 04:28:20 GMT Does anyone know of a non-X based gif and/or jpeg viewer for Linux? I am tired of having to convert jpeg to gif and move the gifs to dos just to view them. -- Sean D. Wheeler swheeler@netcom.com "alt.tasteless is never having to say your sorry..." ------------------------------ From: root@jacobs.jacobs.mn.org (Mike Horwath) Subject: Re: linux on EISA machines Date: 15 Aug 1993 10:41:50 -0500 Christopher Mauritz (ritz@ritz.mordor.com) wrote: : I tried to send email to the last guy who posted on this subject, but : it bounced. Sorry for the repeat. : If anyone has any information I'd be tickled to get a copy. For what : it's worth, I'm now running BSDI/386 on my machine, but I wanted to : play with linux on a small partition of my drive. : Chris Linux works on an EISA system just fine and dandy. It even supports some EISA cards in enhanced mode, like the Adaptec 1740, UltraStor 24F and DTC 3290 (I get these numbers mixed up all the time) in 1740 emulation. The BusTek 747s should also work in 1540 emulation, but it will not be full EISA at this point. There is probably more I am forgetting, but there isn't that many EISA cards available anyway. -- Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau BBS: Drechsau LIFE: lover root@jacobs.jacobs.mn.org drechsau@jacobs.jacobs.mn.org Jacob's Ladder 612-588-0201 UUCP, UseNet, Linux files, BBS ------------------------------ From: root@jacobs.jacobs.mn.org (Mike Horwath) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: NFS boot? dickless linux? Date: 15 Aug 1993 11:06:27 -0500 Distribution: comp This distribution means what? Also, wasn't there something about crossposting between the new groups? Just trying to keep things under control, I don't want to have to sift through hundreds of help messages in colm and I bet alot of others don't want to either. -- Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau BBS: Drechsau LIFE: lover root@jacobs.jacobs.mn.org drechsau@jacobs.jacobs.mn.org Jacob's Ladder 612-588-0201 UUCP, UseNet, Linux files, BBS ------------------------------ From: root@attilla.cloudnine.beadwrld (tHuH sYzTum g0D) Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix Subject: Re: Xfree 1.3 with Diamond Viper Date: 19 Aug 1993 05:56:57 GMT Reply-To: jpw@scf.nmsu.edu In article <24ts1pINN64e@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu>, heide861@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (William D. Heideman) writes: >Keith Barrett (barrett@pamsrc.enet.dec.com) wrote: > > [stuff about Diamonds in mono deleted for brevity] > >My Diamond Speedstar 24 works fine once the clocks get set. Its an et4000 >though. If remember correctly, the viper is S3 based? If so, the XS3 >x-server might work with it, once you get the clocks set (freq prog works, [...] >The Diamond cards are not all created equal (different chip sets) and the >freq program gets around Diamonds stupid policies. The Speedstar 24X (if >memory servers me right) uses an entirely proprietary chipset, so it will most >likely NEVER work with Xfree, but the cards that use known chip >sets probably WILL work, once the clocks get set. > hrm. I had heard about Diamond's proprietary chipset and about some Diamond cards using the S3 chipset; hadn't heard about ET4k variants though. So this raises the question. Does anybody have/is anybody willing to compile a list of the Diamond cards along with what chipsets they use? I figure there's probably a list like this already available; but most computer magazines just say "the Diamond [insert special funky name here] comes with Windows 3.1 drivers and is compatible with most MS-DOS software" or somesuch with no specifics on what types of chipsets involved. If people would send me information regarding which Diamond card they have, what graphics engine/ chipset it uses, and if they've gotten it to work with any XFree86 variant (Xs3, X8514, whatever) in a color mode, and what programs they needed to set clocks or whatever, I could summarize to the net. >Bill Heideman >heide861@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu Joe -- / Joe Waters ("Falc") | "If brute force doesn't work, \ | Reply-To jpw@scf.nmsu.edu | you're not using enough." - the aNk1ez | \ "Linux is better." | DISCLAIMER: The aNk1ez *agree* with what I say. / ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 01:56:33 EDT From: Jeff Auman Subject: DBLSPACE support A friend and I are thinking of working on dblspace support for linux, but I was wondering about some stuff first: - Anyone happen to know who to talk to at MS about technical info about dblspace? (Specific phone numbers are good. I hate playing phone tag when I'm paying for the call, as is usually the case with MS). - Has anyone started working on dblspace support? Any general comments, tips, or pointers are welcome. Thanks. -Jeff I sink like a stone that's been thrown in the ocean My logic has drowned in a sea of emotion -Sting ------------------------------ From: sylvank@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Sylvan Katz) Subject: [Q] SLS-1.03 A1.3 Not Working? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 20:32:50 GMT My system config: 486-33Mhz, 16MB RAM, 250Mb HD, NE2000 I downloaded SLS A1.3 0.99p12 three times from tsx-11 today (Aug 18, 93). I used rawrite to create a1.3. Each time I booted with this disk it would create the RAMDISK, detect tty's but immediately after trying to detect the AdLib sound card it would stall. I have no difficulties with the A1.3 from SLS 1.02. Any suggestions? Or have I missed some posting regarding this and it is a known problem? Dr. Sylvan Katz Science Policy Research Unit University of Sussex VE5ZX & G0TZX email: sylvank@syma.sussex.ac.uk ------------------------------ From: blymn@awadi.com.au (Brett Lymn) Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc Subject: Re: Why would I want LINUX? Date: 19 Aug 1993 23:05:52 GMT >>>>> On 16 Aug 1993 12:55:18 GMT, s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) said: Olaf> In article <24m779$b0h@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US> earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US (Greg Earle) writes: Olaf> Okay, while you bring in BSD: I really don't want to restart any Olaf> argument of Linux vs BSD. Both can be considered, as far as I observe, Olaf> rather equal in power, with some advantages on the Linux side wrt. Olaf> speed and memory usage and on the BSD side wrt. networking. Hmmmm do you have the evidence to back the speed claim?? Out of interest I did a timing on my 386BSD system compiling JGraph, as per the article by Ajay Shah: time on my 386BSD 486/25 with 16M (running slip/X and other cruft) with mixed SCSI/ESDI disk drives: 144 seconds. for Linux on a 486/33 with 20M: 177 seconds My tests were done running gcc 2.4.5 whereas Ajay's were done using using 2.3.3 NOT a flame, just a data point. I will add more data to this later. -- Brett Lymn ------------------------------ From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders) Subject: Re: A question about the SLS sysinstall script's copyright Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 07:05:34 GMT elkins@aerospace.aero.org (Michael Elkins) writes: >Oops! Ok, so *almost* everything! I was thinking more along the lines that >most of the software was under the gnu copyleft... Freely modifiable and >re-distributable (ooh! two new words). I don't see where Peter said you can't modify or distribute his scripts. He just seems to be saying you have to label them as his and not your own. I fail to see much difference between that and any other part of linux. -- John Henders GO/MU/E d* -p+ c+++ l++ t- m--- s/++ g+ w+++ -x+ ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************