From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 17:13:19 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #171 Linux-Misc Digest #171, Volume #1 Thu, 30 Sep 93 17:13:19 EDT Contents: [SUMMARY] ( WAS WHAT HAVE I TO DO TO SET UP THE .PROFILE ) (belmouh@idefix.ensmp.fr (Rachid BELMOUHOUB )) LINUX-Benchmarking (Bernd Kraemer) Re: Games? (Curt L. Olson (Admin)) Re: Bogomip (Liefting W) SlackWare Labels - Good job Alan (Bill Harris) Re: Window managers (Tim Cutts (Zoology)) Re: Bogomip (Danny ter Haar) Re: WHAT HAVE I TO DO TO SET UP THE .PROFIL (Andrew R. Tefft) Re: FVWM... (Terror on Tape) Mitsumi Audio? (Karl Buck) Re: Bogomip (Alex Freed) Re: [Q]: mtools for other FS (Timothy Writer) PCNFS on Linux? (Bill Wang) Re: Please use the real linux (comp.os.linux.*) groups (Carl Johnson) Re: Complete suite for proper ext2fs shutdown? (David Kraus) Funny things when printing... (Chris Royle) Re: Bogomip (H. Peter Anvin N9ITP) NTP for Linux? (H. Peter Anvin N9ITP) Re: WHAT HAVE I TO DO TO SET UP THE .PROFILE (Douglas Henke) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux From: belmouh@idefix.ensmp.fr (Rachid BELMOUHOUB ) Subject: [SUMMARY] ( WAS WHAT HAVE I TO DO TO SET UP THE .PROFILE ) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 13:01:41 GMT In article <1993Sep29.123206.12083@ensmp.fr>, belmouh@idefix.ensmp.fr (Rachid BELMOUHOUB ) writes: |> Hi, |> I have succefully now installed the SLS 1.03 release, on my 486DX50 clone, |> I went through the Linux user's guide in search of informations about how to |> configur my system but haven't found lot of things about the file .profile |> I tryed to set the PATH environment variable to run X11, I did like in my |> .cshrc file on a sun at work but after sourcing the .profile, I have run |> printenv and none of the changes I've made was taken, I tryed unset PATH |> and I had an answer that the systen can't unset PATH. Is there any document |> that explains how to do this, or any one here that could help me. |> |> Thanx |> |> Rachid First of all I would like to thank all the people that replyed to my post I have learned a lot. It would be impossible to send to each of them a mail, so thank you all! this is a summary of the answers I've had to my problem, the firts important thing is to read the man pages for bash. _______________________________________________________________________________ From bam@linux.wolfson-computer-laboratory.birmingham.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 16:26:01 1993 The bash manual could help. The syntax of setting variables in csh is weird. If your using the Linux default shell (bash) then don't try to use the csh syntax. Try something like: PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:. _______________________________________________________________________________ From jmadison@tech.iupui.edu Wed Sep 29 14:41:54 1993 well, this is probably the gazillionth reply, but. your profile's found in /etc. it's called profile (as opposed to .profile). _______________________________________________________________________________ From stenger@zeus.uni-duisburg.de Wed Sep 29 14:19:38 1993 with the SLS there comes am /etc/profile. This is the common data-base file for all users. The .profile is only used when Your shell is /bin/sh. If Your shell is /bin/bash You have to create a .bashrc in Your homedirectory. Here's mine: ========begin ~/.bashrc ========= .profile ========end ~/.bashrc =========== If You want a shell like Suns csh You should get the tcsh-package. it's on tsx-11 under: /pub/linux/binaries/usr.bin/tcsh-6.04.tar.gz _______________________________________________________________________________ From teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com Wed Sep 29 14:51:08 1993 .profile is for bash and sh. you don't source it, you 'dot' it to run it. . ~/.profile .cshrc and .login are for csh (tcsh). You source them to run them. environment variables are for csh. They are propagated to subshells. csh also has variables which are not propagated to subshells. PATH in sh is just a variable. You must say export PATH after you change it, to propagate its value to subshells. _______________________________________________________________________________ From deleeuw@dutiws.TWI.TUDelft.NL Wed Sep 29 17:26:53 1993 echo $PATH this shows the current value of path. If you want to change the PATH variable anyway use: PATH= or PATH=$PATH: for example if you wanna add /usr/X386/bin to your path PATH=$PATH:/user/X386/bin _______________________________________________________________________________ From mitchum.dsouza@mrc-applied-psychology.cambridge.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 15:49:31 1993 Your .profile uses bourne type syntax and thus your .cshrc from the sun will NOT work as it is csh. You need to either get tcsh (csh clone) working and use all your Sun .cshrc and .login type files or read the bash man page (for .profile) thoroughly. e.g. setting up PATH On csh (.cshrc) % setenv PATH /usr/bin:/bin:/etc:./ On bash (.profile) % export PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:/etc:./ _______________________________________________________________________________ From stenger@zeus.uni-duisburg.de Wed Sep 29 15:04:47 1993 Like /etc/profile is the common database for sh /etc/csh.cshrc is the common database for tcsh. Make a link : ln -s /bin/tcsh /bin/csh Now You can say "csh" for Your shell. /etc/csh.cshrc doesn't exist yet, You have to create it; here's mine: =======begin /etc/csh.cshrc ========= # common database for all users # only german users have the csh so the German keyboard is loaded # here and not in the /etc/rc.local /etc/loadkeys /usr/lib/keytables/gr-latin1.map setenv NOREBIND setenv LC_CTYPE iso_8859_1 # the next 3 lines are necessary to show the german Umlaute foreach key ( \\374 \\334 \\366 \\326 \\344 \\304 ) bindkey $key self-insert-command end set openwinhome=(/usr/openwin) set path=($path /usr/TeX/bin /usr/local/bin /usr/bin/X11 $openwinhome/bin ~/bin .) set prompt="%n@%m:%~<%!> " set prompt1="> " alias h history 50 alias more less alias rm rm -i alias md mkdir alias rd rmdir alias up cd .. alias ll ls -al alias ls ls -F alias dir ls -l alias up cd .. alias cp cp -i alias mv mv -i alias home cd $HOME alias more less alias rm rm -i alias md mkdir alias rd rmdir alias ls ls -F alias dir ls -l alias .. cd .. alias cp cp -i alias mv mv -i ----end /etc/csh.cshrc --------- ================================================================================ Rachid BELMOUHOUB ( rsm pour les amis ) E-mail:belmouh@cig.ensmp.fr Ecole des Mines de Paris Centre d'Informatique Geologique "si parvenir aupres de l'ami, est impossible. | "A Woman needs a man like L'autre ami se devra de mourir, le cherchant" | fish needs a bicycle" U2 :-) ( Le Gulistan, Saadi poete et soufi Persan) | ------------------------------ From: ae71@iamm06.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Bernd Kraemer) Subject: LINUX-Benchmarking Date: 30 Sep 1993 14:16:56 GMT Hi Linuxees... Many of you are interested in "real" Benchmarks to decide whether upgrading their machine is ok/necessary or not. OK - one could take BogoMips ;-) another approach: I think most Linuxees are rather Programmers than Users (am I wrong?) so wouldn't the time for compiling some stuff (kernel...) be a not-to-bad idea? "Benchmark" of course means exact description of WHAT was compiled (eg kernel) and WHAT machine (cpu,RAM,HD,...) If all (many, some,..) post their results, could be interesting. Dont flame if angry, take a cigarette... -- Bernd Kraemer ae71@iamm06.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de ------------------------------ From: clolson@me.umn.edu (Curt L. Olson (Admin)) Subject: Re: Games? Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 14:15:48 GMT matt@krikkit1.apana.org.au (Matt McLeod) writes: >Anyone care to let me know where abouts a list of software (particularly >games) for Linux might be? >Also, any recommendations for good games that run nicely over dialup lines? >Matt Andy Tefft, and I have put together a package of bsd games. You can find the package on sunsite.unc.edu or tsx-11.mit.edu. It is called "bsd-games.[src,bin]-1.2.tar.gz" It is also included on the y1 disk of the Slack-ware distribution. I don't know if this package has made it to other distributions or not. All of these games should run great over a dialup line since they are curses based. Actually, many of the simpler ones such as [go] fish will run on a dumb terminal. I plan on releasing a new version of this package in a week or so. The new release will fix some small bugs, and clean a few things up. I have also modified the Makefiles so you can specify an install location in the top level Makefile and everything gets built for and installed there. Curt. -- Curtis Olson clolson@me.umn.edu Eliminate theft: the government can't stand the competition. . Try Linux ... if you own a [34]86. If you own a mac ... :( \__[0]__/ ------------------------------ From: wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W) Subject: Re: Bogomip Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 14:38:03 GMT sjt@enlil.museum.upenn.edu (Steve Tinney) writes: >Liefting W (wlieftin@cs.vu.nl) wrote: >: rnunez@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Rudy Nunez (LAW)) said: >: > I gotta know the answer to this, and It is nothing life threating >: > . When I boot, I get a "36.09 BogoMip ". >: > My question is, just what the hell is a "BogoMip". Is it similar >: > to Mip , but >: > figures with the co-processor or something? I gotta know..... >: Mine says 4.25 or 4.27 bogomips. Is my system really so slow? >What is your machine like? Mine says 33 or so, and that's a 486/66. It is a self-built 486DX33, 256Kb Cache. 4Mb mem (I believe 60ns) (Yes, caching _is_ enabled) Bus speed ~8MHz, (33/4) AMI BIOS Cheap HD-controller, Old FD controller, Cheap Video-controller. But I suppose that has nothing to do with it. >Is there really noone out there who knows what a BogoMip is? If it's >a Bogus Mip, what distinguishes it from a real Mip? Someone else posted an article about what it is. I can mail it to you if you want. On a 486, The bogomips should be ( CPU MHz ) /2. >: Wouter > Steve Wouter. ------------------------------ From: xmpcwsh@dp7up.com (Bill Harris) Subject: SlackWare Labels - Good job Alan Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 22:22:37 GMT I just grabbed the updated label set off of sunsite's incoming directory, and just had to say, "good job", these look slick. Now, if I can just find a place to order those labels from... Bill ------------------------------ From: tjrc1@mbfs.bio.cam.ac.uk (Tim Cutts (Zoology)) Subject: Re: Window managers Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 15:23:15 GMT Well, I used to use twm and occasionally olwm. I have also played with mwm on a Sun, and gwm on both Sun and Linux. I settled with twm, until Rob Nation's fvwm appeared. I have been using this since his first public release of it. I think it's fantastic, and now use it on both Linux and the Sun at work. Tim. -- =============================================================================== Tim Cutts: tjrc1@mbfs.bio.cam.ac.uk | Refs 6.32 the academic reference CRC Mammalian Cell DNA Repair Research Group | database for Windows 3.1 is now Please support the Cancer Research Campaign! | on ftp.cica.indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: danny@caution.cistron.nl.mugnet.org (Danny ter Haar) Subject: Re: Bogomip Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 10:30:00 In article <1993Sep29.221220.10288@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> harris@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk (Stephen Harris) writes: >AMD386-25 6Mb RAM: 3.62 >Intel 386sl-25 5Mb RAM : 3.57 (close!) >Intel 386dx20 8Mb RAM: 3.08 >Intel 486dx2-66 16Mb RAM 256Kb cache: 33.81 > >(some of these numbers from memory, but they are correct ballpark :-) ) > Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 39.94 BogoMips (tm) This is for a 486dx2-80 ! :-) _____ Danny -- _______________________________________________________________________ Danny ter Haar or PHILIPS DCC: combining the disadvantages of cd-rom's and tapes ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux From: teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com (Andrew R. Tefft) Subject: Re: WHAT HAVE I TO DO TO SET UP THE .PROFIL Reply-To: teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 15:42:00 GMT In article 13013@news.clarkson.edu, glancebe@omnigate.clarkson.edu (Bryan E. Glancey Jr) writes: > ME TO!! Also, any information anyone can give me on which are >the auto running shell files (I am used to the .cshrc and .login) would >be apreciated. The information you desire can probably be found in the bash man page. However there is no need to learn bash unless you want to. csh and tcsh are both available for Linux. Look on your favorite Linux ftp site if they're not already on your system. Once you get them, use chsh to set your default shell (must be listed in your /etc/shells). --- Andy Tefft - new, expanded .sig - teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com ------------------------------ From: jmadison@etsun.tech.iupui.edu (Terror on Tape) Subject: Re: FVWM... Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 16:22:15 GMT In article <1993Sep30.120253.29690@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Adrian.Wallaschek@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Adrian Wallaschek) writes: >jmadison@etsun.tech.iupui.edu (Terror on Tape) writes: > >>> Next stop, get >>>seyon working. i only got the binaries, and when i call it, i >>>keep getting a message that i'd get if i run rxvt with the wrong >>>arguments & doesn't work...oh well. life's not perfect. C:) >This is not R.Nation's fault ... it's your's! Yes. i finally read the man page & found out . i just call seyon -nodefargs & everything's lkay. > >The misunderstunding in this problem is that you think seyon call the emulation >as a normal child-process. As far as I understand the xterm it has a special >client interface which makes it capable of being used as a slave-emulator. > >rxvt is that small, because it doesn't have this facility (And some others, >either!). So its absolutely ok that rxvt doesn't work! i got it to work, as long as i tell seyon not to use these features. > >Use xterm and be it only for seyon! The capability of changing the emulator is >meant to exchange xterm with some xterm-derivate (color kanji or whatever!). just incase you still want to save mem, use "seyon -nodefargs". well, since i really like doing japanese stuff, i may just use xterm after all! (where can you get the color kanji stuff from anyway?) > >prefect > >>>-jon"Happy Linux Newbie w/X"M > -jonM -- jmadison@etsun.tech.iupui.edu <>< DJ.AllStar get Linux OS, it's dope! it's free! it's UNIX! ------------------------------ From: kxb@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Karl Buck) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Mitsumi Audio? Date: 30 Sep 1993 12:20:09 -0500 Is is possible to use an audio playing program like WorkMan with the Mitsumi CD drive? I have it mounting file systems, but not doing music yet. Thanks. -- Karl Buck USGMRL 913.537.3666 (H) 913.776.2745 (W) ------------------------------ From: freed@europa.orion.adobe.com (Alex Freed) Subject: Re: Bogomip Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 18:29:40 GMT Two more datapoints: 486DX-33 -----> 16.5 bogomips 486DLC-33 -----> 11.2 bogomips (Cyrix cross between 386 and 486) -- _______________________________________________________ | -Alex Freed (The opinions expressed are my own. | | However everyone is entitled to them.) | | freed%adobe.com@uucp-gw-1.pa.dec.com | ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: twriter@rd.hydro.on.ca (Timothy Writer) Subject: Re: [Q]: mtools for other FS Reply-To: twriter@rd.hydro.on.ca Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 18:24:47 GMT ryanm4@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Matthew J. Ryan) writes: >In article <1993Sep29.221515.10414@rd.hydro.on.ca>, >Timothy Writer wrote: >>kunze@informatik.uni-hannover.de (Richard Kunze) writes: >> >>>In article 2R380B1w165w@pegasus.rni.sub.org, root@pegasus.rni.sub.org (Nils Faerber) writes: >> >>Let me restate your problem: you want to put a bunch of files onto >>floppy but you don't want to be restricted to DOS filename conventions. >> >>There's no need to format a floppy with ext2fs (or any other Linux fs). >>Just use tar and dd: >> >> tar cf - files-for-floppy | dd of=/dev/fd0 bs=16k >> >>To list the contents of the floppy just: >> >> dd if=/dev/fd0 bs=16k | tar tvf - >> >>To extract one or more files: >> >> dd if=/dev/fd0 bs=16k | tar xf - files-to-extract >> > Umm... Why the repititive-redundancy? Tar can use the disk driver, >too. Using dd doesn't make much sense. >The same commands ( in the same order ) are: >tar cf /dev/fd0 file-for-floppy >tar tvf /dev/fd0 >tar xf /dev/fd0 files-to-extract >Tar works quite nicely with the disk drive - I used this method to shuttle >large amounts of large files between computers, when no faster method >was available. Good point! Tim -- Tim Writer phone: (416) 207-6990 Ontario Hydro Research Division fax: (416) 237-9285 Toronto, Ontario e-mail: twriter@rd.hydro.on.ca CANADA ------------------------------ From: wcwang@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Bill Wang) Subject: PCNFS on Linux? Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 19:27:44 GMT Is there a version of pcnfsd for Linux available for ftp? BTW, any experiences with PCNFS (Sun's PC-NFS, FTP's PCTCP, etc...) and Linux would be greatly appreciated. -- Bill Wang US Mail = Psychology Department, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN 47405 Internet = wcwang@cs.indiana.edu ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux From: carlj@hpcvmcdj.cv.hp.com (Carl Johnson) Subject: Re: Please use the real linux (comp.os.linux.*) groups Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 20:06:51 GMT ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes: : Please try to migrate to the new comp.os.linux.* groups, it is easier for : all when posts are made in those groups. Thanks. Not only that, but many of us will remove comp.os.linux when the rmgroup message comes through in a few weeks. So you should switch to the new groups if you want your messages to be read in the future. -- Carl Johnson carlj@cv.hp.com ------------------------------ From: kraus@rtsg.mot.com (David Kraus) Subject: Re: Complete suite for proper ext2fs shutdown? Date: 30 Sep 93 13:41:34 In article <1993Sep28.175348.26899@linus.mitre.org>, jthomas@mitre.org (Joe Thomas) writes: > I've been looking for a while for an integrated set of startup-shutdown > utilities to properly implement shutdown-with-clean-filesystem, and > startup-with-fsck-only-if-dirty. > The kernel now supports remounting root read-only, and I've got a copy of > Stephen Tweedie's bootutils, and the current ext2fs tools, but there always > seems to be something missing to complete the loop. Specifically a decent > shutdown, and a debugged rc script that checks if an ext2 partition is clean > before running fsck. > Has anyone got this working properly? A lot of people do. Get bootutils-0.1.tar.gz, available at fine Linux FTP sites everywhere. For example, on sunsite.unc.edu it's in: /pub/Linux/system/Filesystems/bootutils-0.1.tar.gz Follow the directions, make sure the correct umount is being executed, and you're set. It works very well. -- Dave Kraus Internet: kraus@rtsg.mot.com Motorola Cellular Infrastructure Group FidoNet : 1:115/439.8 Disclaimer: My employer's views and my views may necessarily differ. "Sun to burn out in 1.5 billion years! Clinton has a plan." - Outland ------------------------------ From: c@royle.org (Chris Royle) Subject: Funny things when printing... Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 13:17:08 GMT A couple of strange things are happening when I print from Linux to my new Panasonic 24 pin printer :- 1. When printing graphics (eg, from Ghostscript), the printhead seems to print and subsequently reprint only small sections of each line at a time, and this leads me to think that my printer's head drive motors may soon be shot-at. When printing at the same resolution from DOS/Windows, the printer does the *whole line* over once, and then overprints it again. I'm not talking about bold here -- the printer overprints to get decent graphic resolution. The lengths of these sections differ for every line. 2. When printing from Word for Windows, anything centered on the screen appears centered on the printed page. However, with the cut sheet feeder, all text is about half an inch to the right from where it should be. Anyone offer any suggestions ? Chris. -- Chris Royle Cheap mail & news feeds over UUCP from UKP5/mo Managing Director Windows / X-Windows code, 386s from UKP540 Objectronix Limited Desktop publishing Leeds, UK Tel. +44 532 661536 ------------------------------ From: hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin N9ITP) Subject: Re: Bogomip Reply-To: hpa@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 20:36:36 GMT In article of comp.os.linux.misc, tem1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Tim Miller) writes: > > >Mine says 4.25 or 4.27 bogomips. Is my system really so slow? > > Mine is 3.62....it is DEFINITELY NOT CPU_MHz/2. > I think I can beat you... 0.67 on a Zenith 386-16... hopefully a new 386/40 motherboard with real SIMM sockets for memory will be coming soon (the Zenith uses a full-length bus card for each of its 3 megabytes... I think they are enhanced to 32 bit, but probably still 8 MHz). On a 486DX/33 it is 15.8 and on a 486DX2/66 it is 33.2. Of course, for the 486 it is not so strange it ends up being CPU clock/2 since the 486 can do prefetching despite a jump. /hpa -- INTERNET: hpa@nwu.edu FINGER/TALK: hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu IBM MAIL: I036073 at IBMMAIL NeXTMAIL: hpa@speedy.acns.nwu.edu ANMÄRKNING: Heja Sverige friskt humör! EG väntar utanför! This article might have been generated by a buggy newsreader. ------------------------------ From: hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin N9ITP) Subject: NTP for Linux? Reply-To: hpa@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 20:42:08 GMT Has someone implemented any form of clock-syncronization protocol for Linux? (timed, ntp, timeslave...) I thought not, considering Linux seems to lack the timeadj() system call, but then I saw a reference to it in the Linux kernel source. Me confused?? /hpa P.S. If not, I might try to implement the tickadj() syscall so maybe xntpd will work. -- INTERNET: hpa@nwu.edu FINGER/TALK: hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu IBM MAIL: I036073 at IBMMAIL NeXTMAIL: hpa@speedy.acns.nwu.edu ANMÄRKNING: Heja Sverige friskt humör! EG väntar utanför! This article might have been generated by a buggy newsreader. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux From: henke@scaly.ssc.gov (Douglas Henke) Subject: Re: WHAT HAVE I TO DO TO SET UP THE .PROFILE Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 21:36:37 GMT [Various people ask about how to get their shell to work right, and in particular what the bash equivalent of csh's .cshrc and .login files are.] The file /etc/profile is sourced by bash. Put things in here that everyone will want to do (like setting a default path, etc.). Bash then looks in your home directory for a file called .bash_profile and sources that on login. To find out how to write bash scripts, see the manual page for bash. For example, to set an environment variable, you would write: MYVAR=some_value export MYVAR Note that although /bin/sh is actually bash, bash looks at the name used to invoke it and behaves differently depending on that name. -DGH ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************