From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 01:23:24 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #163 Linux-Misc Digest #163, Volume #1 Tue, 28 Sep 93 01:23:24 EDT Contents: Re: Linux Slowly Dying Off? + Lets make a game for Linux (Ian McCloghrie) What's with these Magazine ad's??? (Zane H. Healy) Re: [Q] dos2unix for Linux,where (Sunando Sen) Re: Running stuff from CDROM (CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!) (Joseph Dougherty) No manual entry for kemrit ? (Jinki Jung) TAMU anyone? (Joe Klemmer) Re: What's with these Magazine ad's??? (Dennis Gray Jr.) Re: DOS/LINUX partitions do not agree (Charles Hedrick) Re: What's with these Magazine ad's??? (Ed H. Chi) Telnetting to IBM mainframes (Deryk Barker) Re: [Q] dos2unix for Linux,where (Gold Silver Soup and Silk) Re: swap speed: file vs. partition (Matthias Urlichs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: imcclogh@cs.ucsd.edu (Ian McCloghrie) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: Linux Slowly Dying Off? + Lets make a game for Linux Date: 27 Sep 93 21:49:06 GMT soup@penrij.UUCP (John R. Campbell) writes: >I really beleive that Linux _NEEDS_ a screen-saver like After-Dark's >TREK stuff, both for the normal console and X-Windows. As I understand it, X11R5 lacks the necessary hooks upon which one would hang a user-defined screensaver program like After Dark. I saw an announcement somewhere that X11R6 would correct this. -- /~> Ian McCloghrie | Commandant of Secret Police - Cal Animage Beta. < < /~\ |~\ |~> | | <~ | email: ian@ucsd.edu Net/2, USL 0! \_> \_/ |_/ |~\ |__| _> | Card Carrying Member, UCSD Secret Islandia Club ------------------------------ From: healyzh@iat.holonet.net (Zane H. Healy) Subject: What's with these Magazine ad's??? Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 23:30:14 GMT Am I just being overly sensitive, or are there other people disturbed by the way Linux is being represented/misrepresented in magazine add's? First there where the 'Linux Systems Labs' adds that have been appearing in the UNIX magazines. While not to bad, I find the fact that it say's $59.95 for CDROM or 30 disk distribution in the upper right hand, and Motif now available in the lower left hand somewhat irritating. Still at least they say that it is Linux ver. 0.99. What really bothered me though was when I was thumbing through my new issue of 'Byte' that I just got in the mail today. ========================================================================= SOFTLANDING LINUX SYSTEM SLS: POSIX UNIX clone for the 386 As reviewed in March "UNIX WORLD" Includes: * full kernel source * X11R5 Openlook * TeX * emacs * TC/PIP, NFS&SLIP * complete C & C++ development environment * 600+ utilities * SVR4 ELF binary compatibility * Windows 3.1 API & ABI * DOS Emulator ========================================================================= BTW the TC/PIP isn't a typo on my part . What bother's me is what I would think if I was new to Linux, and not someone that has used it since January '92. Here's what I would tend to think if I was unfamiliar with Linux. Start possible newbie reaction: "Gee, just think of all the things that I can do with this version of UNIX. It's POSIX (assuming I know what POSIX is), it will run SVR4 ELF binaries (again assuming I have any idea as to what that means), better yet with this I can run all my Windows 3.0 & 3.1 applications, and use all those old DOS programs I have laying around." End newbie reaction. Now let's look at this critically, I get the impression they want people to believe they developed Linux. They don't even acknowledge that Linux is FREEWARE, there isn't even any mention that it is released under the GNU copyleft. In fact if I didn't know better I would think I was buying a commercial product! Secondly, SVR4 ELF binary compatibility. Does this even work yet?!?! Isn't this still alpha code? I admit I don't know, I haven't been keeping up with it. Third Windows 3.1 API & ABI, I don't think so! The window's emulator isn't publically availble yet. Admitadly SLS 1.03 contains part of it. Forth, the DOS Emulator, it's a nice toy, and I guess you can run some serious stuff under it. Still, it's still so primitive that you can't do a lot of things with it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Linux. Linux IS my FAVORITE Operating System. Also I like, and have installed at least 3 of the SLS releases. BUT, I am VERY WORRIED about ad's like this doing more harm than good. I honestly believe that this ad misrepresents Linux, and will raise new user's expectations to unrealistic levels. After actually seeing the release, a lot of these people that thought it would be more than it is, will junk it and never look at it again! Zane in DC -- Zane H. Healy | Once I had a little game healyzh@holonet.net | I liked to crawl, back into my brain on Internet | I think you know, the game I mean scnn49a on Prodigy | I mean the game, called 'go insane' (by Jim Morrison) ------------------------------ From: sens@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Sunando Sen) Subject: Re: [Q] dos2unix for Linux,where Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 01:11:53 GMT In article jmadison@etsun.tech.iupui.edu (Gold Silver Soup and Silk) writes: >where could i get sources (binary) for dos2unix for Linux? >thanx. > I once posted this question to the net and got about 30 replies in no time: with a solution written in _every_ language known to Man. Here is one of the easiest, a couple of shell scripts: ==================== save as dos2unix ================================= #!/bin/sh sed 's/^M//' $1 ======================================================================= ==================== save as unix2dos ================================= #!/bin/sh sed 's/$/^M/' $1 ======================================================================= Note that the `^M' has to be produced by pressing `Ctrl-V Ctrl-M' in vi, or `Ctrl-QCtrl-M' in emacs. Then you can do, e.g., `dos2unix < unixfile > dosfile' and `unix2dos < unixfile > dosfile'. Sunando Sen ------------------------------ From: jdough@sinkhole.unf.edu (Joseph Dougherty) Subject: Re: Running stuff from CDROM (CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 01:26:06 GMT Cory Richard West (corywest@great-gray.owlnet.rice.edu) wrote: : > The only low cost CDROM I know that lets you install a minimum system and use : > the rest directly from the CDROM is the new Trans-Ameritech product. : Yes, but caveat emptor with the new Trans-Ameritech product. : I ordered one of these disks and it arrived, but my Sony CDU-31A drive : could not read it. When I called them, they told me that certain drives : were not able to read the disks and they were negotiating with the disc : printing company to get some new discs printed. I opted to wait for a new : disc at the time, but I haven't heard anything from them since and I'm : growing rather impatient and will probably cancel my order and get one of : the cheaper discs that are available now. So, unless you are willing : to take a chance, now may not be the time to try out the Trans-Ameritech : product. For what it's worth, you may be having trouble with your Sony drive and the Trans-Ameritech CD, but on my Toshiba SCSI drive, the disk works just fine. The installation went very well, and I've had no trouble mounting the CD from the hda file system and running some of the stuff on it. I haven't dug into the CD deeply as a medium for running programs, but preliminary playing indicates that the disk could be a big space saver, properly mounted and linked to the main file system. As for their service, they told me when I ordered that the disk would arrive in about four days. It arrived four days later. Regarding cost, the disk is only $30 plus $5 for shipping. Where are you going to find a cheaper one (I read about a snapshot disk of one of the ftp sites, but that's just raw directories and source). For thirty buskc, you get a choice of three different linux installation options, all ready to run, a version of 386BSD for those interested in that *nix flavor, along with a ton of DOS, Windows, sound and picture files for fun. Having paid twice as much for half the product with none of the usability or function, I consider the Trans-Ameritech disk a steal. just my two cents... Joe Dougherty University of North Florida jdough@unf6.cis.unf.edu (preferred) cop0812@unf1vm.cis.unf.edu ********************************************************* My opinions, standard disclaimers, not politically correct. So sue me. ------------------------------ From: jungjk@unixg.ubc.ca (Jinki Jung) Subject: No manual entry for kemrit ? Date: 28 Sep 1993 01:53:49 GMT I try to read man of kermit. Somehow it does not work. It worked when it is installed but not now. May be I changed some configuration without knowing it. Can you give me an idea how to generate a man page ? jungjk ------------------------------ From: Joe.Klemmer@f370.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Klemmer) Subject: TAMU anyone? Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 20:31:56 -0500 Is anyone using the TAMU release? It really looks good and I'd just like to get some feedback on it if someone's using it. Later, Joe ------------------------------ From: dennis@uhdux2.uh.edu (Dennis Gray Jr.) Subject: Re: What's with these Magazine ad's??? Date: 28 Sep 1993 02:21:34 GMT Reply-To: DGray@uh.edu In article healyzh@iat.holonet.net (Zane H. Healy) writes: Am I just being overly sensitive, or are there other people disturbed by the way Linux is being represented/misrepresented in magazine add's? A bit oversensitive and a bit silly. First there where the 'Linux Systems Labs' adds that have been appearing in the UNIX magazines. While not to bad, I find the fact that it say's $59.95 for CDROM or 30 disk distribution in the upper right hand, and Motif now available in the lower left hand somewhat irritating. Still at least they say that it is Linux ver. 0.99. Is there some difference between this and Softlanding sell a CDROM (isn't the softlanding ROM more than $59???)? Why should motif come as a suprise? I bought it from metrolink for $200. What really bothered me though was when I was thumbing through my new issue of 'Byte' that I just got in the mail today. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- SOFTLANDING LINUX SYSTEM SLS: POSIX UNIX clone for the 386 As reviewed in March "UNIX WORLD" Includes: * full kernel source * X11R5 Openlook * TeX * emacs * TC/PIP, NFS&SLIP * complete C & C++ development environment * 600+ utilities * SVR4 ELF binary compatibility * Windows 3.1 API & ABI * DOS Emulator ------------------------------------------------------------------------- BTW the TC/PIP isn't a typo on my part . What bother's me is what I would think if I was new to Linux, and not someone that has used it since January '92. Here's what I would tend to think if I was unfamiliar with Linux. I hate to break the news to you, but most of Byte's readers are DOS sell-outs. How many of them have heard of linux??? Start possible newbie reaction: "Gee, just think of all the things that I can do with this version of UNIX. It's POSIX (assuming I know what POSIX is), it will run SVR4 ELF binaries (again assuming I have any idea as to what that means), better yet with this I can run all my Windows 3.0 & 3.1 applications, and use all those old DOS programs I have laying around." End newbie reaction. Now let's look at this critically, I get the impression they want people to believe they developed Linux. They don't even acknowledge that Linux is FREEWARE, there isn't even any mention that it is released under the GNU copyleft. In fact if I didn't know better I would think I was buying a commercial product! Secondly, SVR4 ELF binary compatibility. Does this even work yet?!?! Isn't this still alpha code? I admit I don't know, I haven't been keeping up with it. Third Windows 3.1 API & ABI, I don't think so! The window's emulator isn't publically availble yet. Admitadly SLS 1.03 contains part of it. Forth, the DOS Emulator, it's a nice toy, and I guess you can run some serious stuff under it. Still, it's still so primitive that you can't do a lot of things with it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Linux. Linux IS my FAVORITE Operating System. Also I like, and have installed at least 3 of the SLS releases. BUT, I am VERY WORRIED about ad's like this doing more harm than good. I honestly believe that this ad misrepresents Linux, and will raise new user's expectations to unrealistic levels. After actually seeing the release, a lot of these people that thought it would be more than it is, will junk it and never look at it again! I understand a bit of what you are saying, but I don't really see anything different between these guys and softlanding. Perhaps I am overlooking something, but I can't see it. Zane in DC -- Zane H. Healy | Once I had a little game healyzh@holonet.net | I liked to crawl, back into my brain on Internet | I think you know, the game I mean scnn49a on Prodigy | I mean the game, called 'go insane' (by Jim Morrison) Take care, -dennis -- Dennis Gray, Jr. DGray@uh.edu "Sometimes it's tough, but give it your very best shot!" -Bruce Williams ------------------------------ From: hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick) Subject: Re: DOS/LINUX partitions do not agree Date: 28 Sep 93 02:57:40 GMT Unfortunately there's no guarantees about partition naming. Some systems start with the first and some with the last. If you have more than one system, any time you use fdisk to create a new partition, systems other than the one on which you ran fdisk may see a shift in names. I don't know any easy solution. Basically you just have to get all your partitions made, and then figure out what each system calls them. It's not hard to get DOS to see the right partition as C:. Make sure it's the only one that's configured to have a DOS partition type code. The Linux partitions should be set to something else. (It doesn't much matter what -- Linux doesn't care what the type is, except that it handles extended partitions specially.) >drive was D (loical drive). That was all fine, but when I ran FDISK >for Linux, it said that drives C and D were /dev/hda3 and /dev/hda4, >respectively. I'm not sure what this means. Basically Linux doesn't have any concept of C and D drives. I just has /dev/hdaN. The only place where C and D should exist is DOS compatibility tools such as mtools or the DOS emulator. Those are configurable. For mtools, you create /dev/dosC (at least in the copy I have) as pointing to the right partition. I don't recall how the emulator is configured. ------------------------------ From: ehhchi@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Ed H. Chi) Subject: Re: What's with these Magazine ad's??? Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 03:26:28 GMT In article healyzh@iat.holonet.net (Zane H. Healy) writes: Am I just being overly sensitive, or are there other people disturbed >by the way Linux is being represented/misrepresented in magazine add's? > > What really bothered me though was when I was thumbing through my new >issue of 'Byte' that I just got in the mail today. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > SOFTLANDING > LINUX SYSTEM > > SLS: POSIX UNIX clone for the 386 > As reviewed in March "UNIX WORLD" > > Includes: * full kernel source * X11R5 Openlook * TeX > * emacs * TC/PIP, NFS&SLIP * complete C & C++ > development environment * 600+ utilities * SVR4 ELF binary > compatibility * Windows 3.1 API & ABI * DOS Emulator > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't know who is behind this ad (the original article didn't have a phone number or anything.) But I am very worried that people are not getting the right information with these ads. I have seen a few of these, and it seems to me that the person who put up this ad is only out there for the money. -- o/ \ / \ / / \o email: ehhchi@epx.cis.umn.edu /# ##o # o## #\ chi@mermaid.micro.umn.edu / \ / \ /o\ / |\ / \ Dumping messy-dos, running Linux! ------------------------------ Subject: Telnetting to IBM mainframes From: dbarker@turing (Deryk Barker) Date: 27 Sep 93 19:52:02 PDT Reply-To: dbarker@camosun.bc.ca I'm amazed to discover something that our VAX does which Linux does not (appear to anyway). If I use telnet on the VAX to get tothe University of Victoria, who - poor benighted idiots - use an IBM mainframe, the telnet goes into '3270 negotiation mode' or some such. Question: is there a linux-available version of telnet which will enable me to connect sensibly to an IBM 370-style mainframe running MVS/ESA, or whatever the hell it's called? E-mail would be just dandy thanks, as I can't imagine too many people being fascinated by this question. Deryk. ====== Real: Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept., Camosun College, Victoria B.C. Email: (dbarker@camosun.bc.ca) Phone: +1 604 370 4452 ------------------------------ From: jmadison@etsun.tech.iupui.edu (Gold Silver Soup and Silk) Subject: Re: [Q] dos2unix for Linux,where Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 03:57:37 GMT thanx all for your help on finding this. my favorite answer was that SLS comes w/ a program, fromdos, that does this. i tried mcopy, but you have to supply a drive name, & i wasn't up to figuring it out. one person sent me a script, it was really good except i've tried it on two Unices (my Linux & our Sun's @school) & none's grep suport the -q option. anteeway...i'm out & thanx -jonM<>< -- jmadison@etsun.tech.iupui.edu <>< DJ.AllStar get Linux OS, it's dope! it's free! it's UNIX! ------------------------------ From: urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) Subject: Re: swap speed: file vs. partition Date: 27 Sep 1993 23:26:16 +0100 In comp.os.linux.misc, article <1993Sep11.051330.14921@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord) writes: > > For example, try this patch to ll_rw_blk.c under a heavy paging load > (run startx and then two copies of xboard, each playing itself): > > --- ll_rw_blk.c.pl13 Sat Aug 14 23:47:22 1993 > +++ ll_rw_blk.c Fri Sep 10 23:07:24 1993 > @@ -114,20 +114,26 @@ [ 16 lines ] That patch is obviously incomplete; please try again. -- All students who obtain a B will feel cheated out of an A. -- M. 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