From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Wed, 18 Aug 93 12:26:44 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #16 Linux-Misc Digest #16, Volume #1 Wed, 18 Aug 93 12:26:44 EDT Contents: Re: which (Tom Bjorkholm AT) Re: INN1.4 under Linux - WOW !!!!!! (Rich Salz) Re: linux docs? (Jim Trocki) Starting to program in X (Jim Trocki) Re: Engineering Applications (Larry Doolittle) Re: SLS update: 99p12 and lib 4.4.2 (Olaf Titz) Welcome to the comp.os.linux.* hierarchy! (Matt Welsh) Aug 17/18 SLS 1.03 (Darcy Boese) Re: interesting proposition (Allen M. Ashley) Missing Programs in SLS 1.03 (Eidoo Khalid) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux From: tom@at8.abo.fi (Tom Bjorkholm AT) Subject: Re: which Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 10:56:14 GMT >Has anyone ported the nice little utility which to linux? Someone has, it was announced on c.o.l about 2 weeks ago. However, tcsh is also ported to linux and tcsh has a built in which. (Under bash which is also done as "type -path"). Best, Tom -- Tom Bjorkholm Phone: +358 21 654 863 Process Design Laboratory Fax: +358 21 654 479 Department of Chemical Engineering Internet: tom@at8.abo.fi Abo Akademi University or: tbjorkho@ra.abo.fi ------------------------------ From: rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz) Crossposted-To: news.software.nntp Subject: Re: INN1.4 under Linux - WOW !!!!!! Date: 18 Aug 1993 08:31:10 -0400 In marcf@nexus.yorku.ca (Marc G Fournier) writes: > Hmmm...can someone explain this DBZINCORE a little mnore to me? Did you read doc/dbz.3? Read about the dbzincore() function. It is unrelated to mmap. It means the the DBZ package will keep a huge hash table in memory. >I tried -DMMAP, changed READ to MMAP the other day, compiled and installed >aeverything and it totally killed my system. Apparently Linux mmap() doesn't work right now. >upcoming support for, overview files in nn? I believe this is being worked on by the nn folks. You can get a prototype done by Geoff Collyer from world.std.com:src/news/nn.dist.tar.Z /r$ ------------------------------ From: trockij@Cyanamid.COM (Jim Trocki) Subject: Re: linux docs? Date: 18 Aug 1993 12:41:51 GMT Reply-To: trockij@Cyanamid.COM > I've just read over the Installation and Getting Started Doc and wanted to > say "Well Done Men". This is a execelent book and should go a long way > in getting new Linux'ers and Unix'ers started. Thanks, as soon as I can > raise money for a disk drive I'll be putting it to use. I, also, agree. I've only read the first few chapters of I&GS, and it is *extremely* well written and informative. If a DOS beginner wants to get started in Linux, this book couldn't be much more helpful. It's not overbearing, and neither is it overassuming. ...when I get $$$ for a >400 meg HD, I too will paint Linux on it with I&GS in hand! Why are HDs so expensive???? :) Jim Trocki ------------------------------ From: trockij@Cyanamid.COM (Jim Trocki) Subject: Starting to program in X Date: 18 Aug 1993 12:46:40 GMT Reply-To: trockij@Cyanamid.COM Can anyone suggest some good and solid references and tutorials for a beginner X programmer? Off-the-shelf books are fine, but FTP-able ones are ideal ;-). I have some Windows and GEM programming experience, so I don't anticipate any problems migrating over to X, unless I am mislead by my observations... Jim Trocki ------------------------------ From: doolitt@cebaf4.cebaf.gov (Larry Doolittle) Subject: Re: Engineering Applications Reply-To: doolitt@cebaf4.cebaf.gov (Larry Doolittle) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 13:14:50 GMT In article <24s2dj$rbk@usenet.mcs.kent.edu>, wzhao@mcs.kent.edu (Weimin Zhao) writes: > Re: LinPack, BLAS, EisPack, and other numerical methods packages > > Porting these numerical libraries IS surely a nice addition to the linux > community. But when you have some really floating-point intensive programs, > the hardware (even the 486-66) isn't just fit enough to do the heavy duty > stuff, IMHO. Better off waiting for a Pentium or a RISC;-) Speaking as someone who used these routines, and in fact developed applications that used these routines, on an original IBM PC-AT (6 MHz 80286, 1 wait state, 4 MHz coprocessor, for those who have forgotten), having these on my 66MHz 80486 would be a JOY! The only turn-off for me at the moment is f2c - the c code it produces looks ugly to me. - Larry Doolittle doolittle@cebaf.gov ------------------------------ From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) Subject: Re: SLS update: 99p12 and lib 4.4.2 Date: 18 Aug 1993 14:14:10 GMT In article <24tc8p$shj@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU> sanjuan!pmacdona@sol.UVic.CA (Peter MacDonald) writes: > b2/ncurses.tgz: mv to b4/ > b2/tin11p8.tgz: mv to b3/ >... I don't know if these many file movings were necessary because of diskette space considerations, but I observe that they make it much harder to track the most recent version on *diskettes*. Btw. perhaps it is now recommendable for announce postings to set followups to comp.os.linux.misc. Olaf -- olaf titz o olaf@bigred.ka.sub.org praetorius@irc comp.sc.student _>\ _ s_titz@ira.uka.de LINUX - the choice karlsruhe germany (_)<(_) uknf@dkauni2.bitnet of a GNU generation what good is a photograph of you? everytime i look at it it makes me feel blue ------------------------------ From: mdw@TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.announce,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux Subject: Welcome to the comp.os.linux.* hierarchy! Date: 18 Aug 1993 10:17:59 -0400 Welcome to the comp.os.linux.* hierarchy! Background ========================================================================= This posting is an introduction to the comp.os.linux.* hierarchy of USENET newsgroups. Linux is a free implementation of UNIX for 80386/80486 machines covered by the GNU GPL. Most of the development of the Linux kernel has been done by Linus Torvalds, an internationally reknowned UNIX wizard from Helsinki, Finland. For the past two years or so, the newsgroup comp.os.linux has grown be one of the most popular groups on USENET. Late in 1992, a CFV for splitting comp.os.linux was posted; the only group which passed was comp.os.linux.announce, a moderated newsgroup for Linux announcements and patches. Six months later, during the summer of 1993, another CFV for splitting comp.os.linux was posted. The voting period for the comp.os.linux reorganization results ended at 23:59:59 UTC on 4 August 1993 (4:59PM US Pacific Time, 7:59PM US Eastern Time.) The results are as follows: comp.os.linux reorganization results - 1842 votes Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------- 1692 135 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.admin 1741 90 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.development 1647 177 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.help 1660 155 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.linux.misc Because of this split, the newsgroup comp.os.linux will be deleted on 11 November 1993. The new newsgroups will be created on 11 August 1993. This posting describes these newsgroups, including comp.os.linux.announce, which will remain entact. General Policy ========================================================================= The general policy for the Linux newsgroups is simple. Who sets the policy? We all do. All of us on USENET are interested in communicating openly about a number of topics. That's why we have USENET. If you want the Linux newsgroups to work for you, a few suggestions: * Read the Linux FAQ and follow the newsgroups for some time before posting questions. This is very important. comp.os.linux suffered from HUGE amounts of noise and traffic because much of the growing readership never bothered to READ the newsgroup; they only posted questions. The same thing will happen with the new newsgroups unless you read the FAQ (found on sunsite.unc.edu in the file pub/Linux/docs/FAQ) and read the newsgroup for some time before posting questions. Chances are, your question has already been recently answered, and a simple browsing of the newsgroup will answer it. We suggest using a threaded newsreader such as "trn" which will allow you to browse and mark articles by subject, so you don't have to read each and every article in each newsgroup. * Crossposting between the Linux newsgroups is STRONGLY discouraged. If you do crosspost questions between Linux newsgroups, expect to be flamed to oblivion. The reason we have a newsgroup split is to categorize discussions into separate newsgroups. Crossposting negates this effect. If your posting cannot fit into ONE of the newsgroups c.o.l.admin, c.o.l.help, or c.o.l.development, then you should post it to c.o.l.misc. The one exception is for announcements. Occasionally, an important announcement (such as this one) will be crossposted between c.o.l.announce and one or more of the other c.o.l.* groups. These announcements must be approved by the .announce moderator; see below. * Reply to questions via e-mail if at all possible. While discussion in the newsgroups is encouraged, if someone is asking a simple question to which the answer is well-known, there is no reason to post the reply. Don't assume that the person posting the question actually reads the newsgroup or will even note your followup if they do. Reply via e-mail unless the reply is of general interest. * Don't flame newbies. Over the course of the past few months, the Linux community has developed an oversensitive ego and a reputation for being unfriendly towards newcomers, mostly because of unwarranted flaming by a handful of righteous individuals. If someone posts, saying, "Hi! I'm new to this group! What is Linux?" (which will inevitably happen as the new newsgroups are propagated), DO NOT FLAME THEM. When someone sees a new newsgroup pop up within "rn", they are justifiably curious about the new group and probably don't know that well over 80,000 people who know EVERYTHING about Linux read the group. Right? Instead of being rude, you can send a polite note to the poster, saying, "Hello, Linux is a free implementation of UNIX for the 386 and 486. You can get the FAQ from sunsite.unc.edu in /pub/Linux/docs. Let me know if I can be of help!". That's all. Not difficult, eh? You can even save your stock reply in a file and simply send form-letters to newbies if you wish. But there is very little point in flaming or ever being rude. It goes against everything that Linux can and should be. Just remember that nobody knows everything---not even Linus--- and that you were a newbie once, too. :) comp.os.linux.announce ========================================================================= Comp.os.linux.announce is a moderated newsgroup for Linux announcements and source patches. The purpose of this group was to get all of the ``important'' Linux information out of the regular newsgroup and into a place where all Linux users could see the important announcements without having to wade through a jungle of other postings. So far, this group has been very successful. The moderators for this group are myself (Matt Welsh, mdw@tc.cornell.edu) and Lars Wirzenius (wirzeniu@cc.helsinki.fi). We will be sharing the moderator duty, and backing each other up to make sure that postings to this group will be approved as soon as possible after they're submitted. Submissions to this group should be mailed to the address: linux-announce@tc.cornell.edu If you have any problems or questions about c.o.l.announce, please send mail to the moderators at linux-announce-request@tc.cornell.edu Or simply mail us directly. This is not a request address for mailing list subscription; see below. A separate posting details the guidelines for submitting to this group. I plan to approve just about anything that's posted to this group, except for questions or discussions about Linux. So, please, post away. :) There are also archives of comp.os.linux.announce available at a number of Linux FTP sites: check sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/docs/linux-announce.archive There is a mailing list mirror of the comp.os.linux.announce newsgroup; to join, send mail to linux-activists-request@niksula.hut.fi With the line X-Mn-Admin: join ANNOUNCE at the top of the body (not in the subject). Approved postings to c.o.l.announce will automatically be mailed to this mailing list channel. comp.os.linux.admin ========================================================================= This newsgroup was created simply to thwart the unique newsgroup acronym "c.o.l.a", previously used by c.o.l.announce. However, this newsgroup is also used for discussions and questions about running Linux systems, either in a single-user or multi-user environment. Clearly, there is no large distinction between c.o.l.admin and c.o.l.help. However, .admin should be mostly used for discussions about RUNNING Linux, not USING or PROGRAMMING it. Unfortunately, especially with Linux, the line between system administrator and system user is very fuzzy. In short, we anticipate c.o.l.admin to be mostly about questions with installing, setting up, and configuring Linux systems, as well as other discussions relating to system administration. comp.os.linux.development ========================================================================= c.o.l.development, or "c.o.l.d" for short, is a newsgroup for questions and discussions about Linux kernel and systems-level development. Please note that this is a newsgroup about development OF Linux, not development FOR Linux. In other words, c.o.l.d isn't for questions about programming or porting software to Linux. Instead, this is a newsgroup for discussions about developing the Linux kernel itself, including writing device drivers, adding new features, and so on. In addition, discussions about development of shared libraries, and other essential systems-level projects, are welcome here. Hopefully, this newsgroup will embody some of the content and scope of the linux-activists mailing list channels such as GCC, KERNEL, SCSI, and NET. comp.os.linux.help ========================================================================= Comp.os.linux.help is perhaps the most general of Linux newsgroups. It is for any general user, programming, or setup questions and discussion about Linux. If your question is about Linux development, post to c.o.l.development. If it is about system administration, post to c.o.l.admin. However, if your question is of a more general nature, such as "How do I set up Linux for use with an NE2000 card?", c.o.l.help is your place. Remember that you should not crosspost between .help and other Linux newsgroups. This means that if you are asking for help in .development, that's fine, but .help is for those questions which don't fit into .admin and .development. comp.os.linux.misc ========================================================================= This group is the canonical ``catch-all'' for discussions and questions which don't fit into the other Linux newsgroups. While c.o.l.help is generally for questions, c.o.l.misc is for discussions of a general nature about Linux, such as setting up a file hierarchy standard, questions about Linus' personal life and virtual beer, and the inevitable flame war. Again, it should be noted that crossposting between c.o.l.misc and other Linux newsgroups is strongly discouraged. If your posting or question does not fit into ONLY ONE of the other Linux newsgroups, post it to .misc. Comments ========================================================================= If you have questions or comments about this document, please direct them to mdw@tc.cornell.edu. Flames to /dev/null; cheques and money orders to Linus Torvalds. Thanks. -- Matt Welsh, mdw@tc.cornell.edu "On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog." ------------------------------ From: dboese@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Darcy Boese) Subject: Aug 17/18 SLS 1.03 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 14:14:01 GMT A few questions about the current updated version of SLS 1.03: Are these files still required for anything? They appear to have been replaced by later versions but they are still on the archive sites: a4/gzip101.tgz c1/lib441.tgz c3/inc441.tgz And are the files "deliver.tgz" and "sound.tgz" from the previous version obsolete? ------------------------------ From: ashley@cco.caltech.edu (Allen M. Ashley) Subject: Re: interesting proposition Date: 18 Aug 1993 15:53:46 GMT Someone who wants to implement the user map idea should set up an email address to process the responses. Every response should start with the zip code of the responder, and all responses should be indexed on the zip code. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: a010eido@cdf.toronto.edu (Eidoo Khalid) Subject: Missing Programs in SLS 1.03 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 15:54:30 GMT Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Missing Programs Distribution: world Organization: University of Toronto Computing Disciplines Facility Hello Fellow Linuxers. I have one question. When I installed SLS 1.03. Some programs were not installed such as hostname. But I installed the entire package. I never got any error messages when installing so i dont know what went wrong. Could someone tell me in which SLS disk and file 'hostname' etc. are stored? thanks. ================================================================================Remember: Be careful where you aim, because where you aim you just might hit. >>>------> a010eido@toronto.edu<-------<<< ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************