From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 12:19:10 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #158 Linux-Misc Digest #158, Volume #1 Sat, 25 Sep 93 12:19:10 EDT Contents: SCSI tape not streaming (WAS: RE: Tandberg SCSI tape drives) (Kai Makisara) Which linux should I install...or which is best? (Robert R. Novitskey) Re: JANA - anyone heard...) (Wood, Victor) *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.04) (Ian Jackson) Re: linux & 3c501 ? experiences ? (Cameron L. Spitzer) Seeking some hardware recommendations (Jartsu) Prolog interpreter??? (Les Howard) Re: $25.95 *NEW* Yggdrasil CD-ROM (Lars Wirzenius) Re: [Q] Does SIGBUS have a Linux counterpart? (Stephen Tweedie) Re: $25.95 *NEW* Yggdrasil CD-ROM (Anthony Lovell) Re: School Science Club may distribute Linux...interested? (Arnt Gulbrandsen) Re: Linux is very unstable (Andreas Klemm) Re: Linux SUXXXXX (Andreas Klemm) Re: Linux SUXXXXX (Andreas Klemm) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: makisara@vtinsx.ins.vtt.fi (Kai Makisara) Subject: SCSI tape not streaming (WAS: RE: Tandberg SCSI tape drives) Date: 25 Sep 1993 07:39:09 GMT In article <1993Sep24.012430.7543@valis.ampr.ab.ca> user1@valis.ampr.ab.ca (Kevin Fluet) writes: >vohwi-d@acsu.buffalo.edu (David A. Vohwinkel) writes: >BUT, using the 99PL12 kernel, I'm having the following problem: >When writing a tape, it doesn't stream, i.e. the tape drive is winding >back and forth after writing one block (or maybe after writing the >buffer to the tape - 256k). This happens to me (pl12 also) if I don't set up buffering (tar -b ) high enough. I normally set it to 3000. It also happens if I have a lot of processes running and the tar program is swapped at all. There are several possible reasons for the tape not streaming. Here are two of them: 1. Your tape drive does not have its internal buffering enabled after power-up (some drives default to this). In this case only 32 kB (or whatever is your driver buffer size) gets written at each time and then the tape moves backwards. You can enable the drive buffer with the command 'mt drvbuffer 1' if you get the new mt from tsx-11.mit.edu:pub/linux/ALPHA/SCSI/mt-st.tar.gz (this directory is mirrored at many other ftp sites). Up to kernel 0.99.11 setting block size enabled buffering as a side effect but this bug was corrected in 0.99.12 (and a new ioctl was introduced). 2. Your tape drive is too fast compared with your disk and filesystem. In this case the amount of data written at each time varies. You may get a tolerable or an intolerable number of stops. In the latter case you should use a buffering program between the drive and the program making or breaking the archive. One possibility is dd but I think there are better (double-buffering) alternatives although I don't know them. The archive containing the mt program contains also a short document on the SCSI tape driver (the same text is also there with the name README.tape). This text may help to understand the possible problems with the SCSI tape drives. Kai -- DISCLAIMER: The views expressed here are mine and may not always coincide with the views of my employer. * Kai Makisara * email Kai.Makisara@vtt.fi * ------------------------------ From: rrn@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey) Subject: Which linux should I install...or which is best? Date: 25 Sep 1993 08:26:47 GMT Reply-To: rrn@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey) Hi all: I am going to install linux!!!! I have 2 IDE HD's (210MB+340MB)...only the 210 will be used for linux. I also have a diamond stealth video card (I know diamond is a bunch of shits), and a pro audio spectrum 16. I run with 16MB ram on a 486/33 isa system. I was installing this to co-exist with os/2 and it's boot manager. I am running as a node on a tcpip net which (obviously) is internet connected. Wellllllll..... Should I use Slackware or SLS to best suit my needs? Secondly....if anyone has any tips on how to install linux on the 210MB drive and OS/2 on the 340 and use OS/2's boot manager, they would be greatly appreciated. Assume clean installs on blank disks. Thanks BoB P.S. I will be running X, can I at least get VGA with my diamond??? -- Robert Novitskey | rrn@po.cwru.edu | (216)754-2134 | CWRU Cleve. Ohio =========================================================================== Shafted software; I'm not only the cheif programmer, I'm also the president. Watch for new OS/2 applications in the winter. ------------------------------ From: RM4Y@DLRVMS.GO.DLR.DE (Wood, Victor) Subject: Re: JANA - anyone heard...) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1993 08:18:34 GMT In <748883118snz@osborne.demon.co.uk> alan@osborne.demon.co.uk writes: > In article freed@europa.orion.adobe.com writes: > > > > >>For the uninformed, where can I get info on all the various CD-ROM packages > >>for Linux - especially ones that will allow me to RUN off the CD-ROM with > >>only the user and some apps on my machine (if I so chose!) > > > > > >The only low cost CDROM I know that lets you install a minimum system and use > >the rest directly from the CDROM is the new Trans-Ameritech product. > > > >The email is roman@trans-ameritech.com > >phone (408) 727-3883 > >fax (408) 727-3882 > > > > Sounds good. Now all I need is a volunteer to retrieve my money > from JANA and pay it to trans-ameritech, as it was my entire IT > budget for about a year :-( > > And people wonder why I'm such a cynic...... > > -- > AO > There is also the yggarisl (or something) CR-ROM which comes with 5.25 and 3.5 inch boot disks. You can install a cdrom based system, a binary system (95M) or a complete system (245M). I have a copy of this V0.99xx7 but I can not install it. My scsi controller is incompatable. It cost me DM 95,- Circa #40. Its for sale if anyone wants to make me an offer! Victor Wood | | The law of inanimate reproduction: RM4Y@VM.OP.DLR.DE | RM4Y@DLRVMS.GO.DLR.DE (prefered) | "If you take something apart and | put it back together again enough ROSAT Control K4 | times, you will eventually have German Space Operations Center | enough parts left over to build Muenchenerstr. 20 | a second one." D-82234 Oberpfaffenhofen | +49 81 53 28 14 22 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson) Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.04) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1993 10:03:01 GMT Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of which groups you should read and post to. If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or from another Linux FTP site. In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!' The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place. Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not comp.os.linux.misc. Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions. Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in /pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq. Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me ! -- Ian Jackson (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk) 35 Molewood Close, Cambridge, CB4 3SR, England; phone: +44 223 327029 ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development From: cls@truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Subject: Re: linux & 3c501 ? experiences ? Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1993 06:11:44 GMT In article <1993Sep24.023318.23188@super.org> becker@super.org (Donald J. Becker) writes: >OK, there seems to be a number of 3c501 fans out there, and a few of them >insist on telling my why it isn't so bad. They are wrong [...] I'm speaking only for myself here, of course, but I believe 3Com advises against installing a 3C501 in a new system, mostly for the same reasons Donald has discussed. You probably won't be happy with the 3C501 in your Linux box. The data sheet is marked "(obsolete)" on 3Com's Developers' Order Form, and the board is not part of 3Com's program for sending free Technical Reference Manuals to people who need them. The decade-old things are nearly indestructible, but that's about all they've got going for them any more. I hope you find our *modern* boards equally sturdy, and I want to hear about it if you don't. The Network Adapter Division design team sincerely appreciates the *excellent* feedback we've got from the Linux community. Cameron home: cls@truffula.sj.ca.us <-- my Linux box work: camerons@NAD.3Com.com <-- please send 3C5[07]9-related mail here. ------------------------------ From: jartsu@snakemail.hut.fi (Jartsu) Subject: Seeking some hardware recommendations Date: 25 Sep 93 12:02:09 GMT BBS-project advancing... To avoid bad purchases, I am asking you people to recommend me some good hardware: - A fast multiserial (232 or 442) adapter for ISA-bus. This is for modems (V.32bis) and if there is anything with more than 4 ports (like 8xRS442) with driver for Linux, it would be perfect, but a 4 port one will do. Can I use 2 pcs. of 4 port adapters at the same time in the same machine? - A good and relatively cheap SCSI-2 tape drive. Large capacity (200MB-1GB) and popular format, like QIC. Internal installation. Then something a bit different. We need something like this: An UPS and something extra that performs a nice and clean shutdown when power fails or has been down over a certain period of time. Is it possible to reboot automatically when power is restored? Any hint welcome! Thanks. -- Jartsu ------------------------------ From: howard@pollux.cs.uga.edu (Les Howard) Subject: Prolog interpreter??? Date: 25 Sep 93 12:54:49 GMT Hi, I am looking for a Prolog interpreter for Linux. I have checked the archives but haven't been able to find one. I would be most appreciative to anyone that could point me in the direction of one. Thanks, LEs -- =========================================================================== Mr. Leslie P. Howard "Mr. Lehrer's muse (is) not University of Georgia fettered by such inhibiting howard@pollux.cs.uga.edu factors as taste"...New York Times ------------------------------ From: wirzeniu@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) Subject: Re: $25.95 *NEW* Yggdrasil CD-ROM Date: 25 Sep 1993 16:13:48 +0300 jepler@herbie.unl.edu (JEFF EPLER) writes: > I stand corrected -- I guess I missed any announcement. Was there > something posted to col.announce and I had my head in my butt, or what? I don't think there's been anything in col.announce saying that 0.99pl13 is official. When it comes to just about anything except coding, Linus is among the laziest people around. -- Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi) It doesn't matter who you are, it's what you do that takes you far. --Madonna ------------------------------ From: sct@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Stephen Tweedie) Subject: Re: [Q] Does SIGBUS have a Linux counterpart? Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1993 15:07:23 GMT Hi, In article , jdh@iastate.edu (Jon Hamilton) writes: > POSIX doesn't say anything about SIGBUS, and Linux will never > generate it. Beware - this may all change! Linux has only recently had a working mmap() system call for general files, and I am working on completing the call by allowing mmap()ed files to be written to in memory. The standard SunOS and BSD implementations of mmap() require that a SIGBUS be returned in certain circumstances, such as when you access memory within a mmap() region beyond the end of the mapped file. So, Linux may well end up using SIGBUS in the future - it depends on whether or not Linus wants to make Linux's mmap behaviour with older implementations. Cheers, Stephen. --- Stephen Tweedie (JANET: sct@uk.ac.ed.dcs) Department of Computer Science, Edinburgh University, Scotland. ------------------------------ From: alovell@kerberos.demon.co.uk (Anthony Lovell) Subject: Re: $25.95 *NEW* Yggdrasil CD-ROM Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1993 11:08:29 +0000 JEFF EPLER (jepler@herbie.unl.edu) wrote: : I stand corrected -- I guess I missed any announcement. Was there : something posted to col.announce and I had my head in my butt, or what? : In any case, I hope people no longer feel the need to humiliate me for : my lack of knowledge.. :-) I missed the announcement as well, I don't think there was one -- anthony ============================================================================== alovell@kerberos.demon.co.uk | If at first you don't succeed | alovell@cix.compulink.co.uk | Get a Bigger Hammer ============================================================================== ------------------------------ From: agulbra@nvg.unit.no (Arnt Gulbrandsen) Subject: Re: School Science Club may distribute Linux...interested? Date: 25 Sep 1993 15:50:01 GMT In article , Patrick K. Ferrick wrote: >And I blew it big time. Sorry. When this idea came to me, I admit I was so >thrilled with the prospect that I completely forgot the GPL, and somehow >turned "reasonable copying fees" into "if you can get it you can rent it". >Obviously NOT the intent of the GPL, and I apologize. The GPL is intended to _further_ distribution, not _restrict_ it. You may charge any fee you want, as long as you will supply sources for three years and your customers may redistribute what they buy from you (and a few minor details, read the GPL). The fee is a 'copying fee' simply because it shouldn't be any other kind of fee (which might imply extra rights or restrictions). There is no requirement that it be reasonable. A few selected quotes from the GPL: ``When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price.'' `` For example, if you distribute copies of a such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must tell them their rights'' ``You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy.'' ``You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein.'' So go ahead and sell linux, but read the GPL carefully before you start, and remember that your customers can easily and legally sell ``your'' merchandise at half the price. For the record, I hereby offer to sell any version of any GPL'd program I can fetch via anonymous FTP to anyone who wants it, for only $1 million. Payment in cash, please. -- Arnt Gulbrandsen, agulbra@nvg.unit.no Twice the .sig, twice the personality. -- Arnt Gulbrandsen, agulbra@nvg.unit.no Twice the .sig, twice the personality. ------------------------------ From: andreas@knobel.knirsch.de (Andreas Klemm) Subject: Re: Linux is very unstable Date: 25 Sep 1993 15:18:38 -0000 kevin@frobozz.sccsi.com (Kevin Brown) writes: >In article arcardw@indsvax1.indstate.edu writes: >> >> My Linux/OS2 box at home works great -- using pl13. >> >> Using Linux at ISU Univ crashes like no tomorrow -- using pl11 or 13. >> >> I should mention it only crashes when I hit ^G (BELL) on console and >> it doesn't matter what package I am in to make the bell go off. It >> give me General Protection error 0000 -- then the swapper dies and >> I am all locked up :( . Using this machine from telnet works fine.. >> no crashes or locks. >> >>Paul >>"Confused." >What happens if you do > echo '^G' >/dev/console >(where '^G' is a ctrl-g in quotes) from a telnet session? Does it crash the >machine? Your description implies that it would... No problem here. I use Slackware 1.0.3, lx99pl13, libc-4.4.1. I opened a new xterm, did a telnet knobel and executed the above mentioned echo command. No crash ... -- Andreas Klemm /\/\____ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH andreas@knobel.knirsch.de ___/\/\/ andreas@sunny.wup.de (Unix Support) ------------------------------ From: andreas@knobel.knirsch.de (Andreas Klemm) Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux SUXXXXX Date: 25 Sep 1993 15:47:36 -0000 V214 writes: >One thing is certain: Linux is a dead end project, Long live ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ ? >bsd386!!!!!! ^^^^^^? >Clint Toris "Long live" rock'n roll would be more suitable... But to give this thread a little more informational character: - bsd386 is the commercial bsd from bsdi How can you compare the developement of commercial and uncommercial products ? Stupid... - Ok, ok, supposed you meant the free versions of BSD. Which one should live long and is not dead end ? Not an easy question, isn't it ?! - 386bsd 0.1 from Bill Jolitz, the original buggy one ? It's only a base nothing very stable ... - NetBSD 0,8 or 0.9 which separetes itself from the Jolitz developement. A fine version I tried several months ago ... This product looks stable And one of the most important goals of the authors is to develope a robust BSD version. - The 386bsd patched with the patchkit 0.2.4 or above ? A lot of work to apply all patches ... to compile everything new ... wasts disk space ... But good work, too ! I used this version months, too. - The FreeBSD which is - I think - the version which shoul be a intermediate release between 0.1 and the 0.2 release from Bill Jolitz .... ? I don't know it ... future ? 0.2 isn't out yet or am I wrong ... (B.J.: summmer is over soon ;-) Each of the PD Unix releases do have their pro's and cons. Please be so honest and let everybody take the own decision which OS offers the most advantages. Thank's a lot for that. -- Andreas Klemm /\/\____ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH andreas@knobel.knirsch.de ___/\/\/ andreas@sunny.wup.de (Unix Support) ------------------------------ From: andreas@knobel.knirsch.de (Andreas Klemm) Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy Subject: Re: Linux SUXXXXX Date: 25 Sep 1993 15:50:32 -0000 rse@cse.unl.edu (robert ellsworth) writes: >V214 writes: >>One thing is certain: Linux is a dead end project, Long live >>bsd386!!!!!! >>Clint Toris >I'm not a current Linux user (Switched to NetBSD 0.9), but talk like this >is not needed, anywhere. Linux is a good, _free_ unix. I can't understand >how someone can be harsh on such a project, where you don't even have to pay >for a single thing (w/exception to possible costs in getting the dist.). Yes ... poor quality ... And he doesn't seem to know, that he speaks of the commercial product, that he certainly doesn't have ... Big mouth but low budget ;-) Excuse me for that, but I couldn't resist ;-) Happy bsd'ing and Linux'ing Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm /\/\____ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH andreas@knobel.knirsch.de ___/\/\/ andreas@sunny.wup.de (Unix Support) ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************