From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 16:19:17 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #156 Linux-Misc Digest #156, Volume #1 Fri, 24 Sep 93 16:19:17 EDT Contents: Re: Setting active partition on second hard drive (Lars Wirzenius) Some "benchmark" results. (Paul Gortmaker) Re: JANA - anyone heard from them recently ? (Alan Osborne) Re: JANA - anyone heard...) (Alan Osborne) $25.95 *NEW* Yggdrasil CD-ROM (Randy Just) Tape drive software?? (David A. Vohwinkel) Unix Applications Source Code CD-ROM? (Divya Sundaram) Re: Net-2 Patches are GREAT (sometimes) (Alan Cox) What's the Difference? (X) (Rick Miller) Re: $25.95 *NEW* Yggdrasil CD-ROM (JEFF EPLER) Re: Net-2 Patches are GREAT (Billy L. Williams Jr.) Re: Linux Slowly Dying Off? + Lets make a game for Linux (A Wizard of Earth C) Khoros for Linux. Re: Linux and BIOS need HELP BAD! (Anthony Lovell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wirzeniu@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: Setting active partition on second hard drive Date: 24 Sep 1993 16:11:33 +0300 [ Newsgroups line trimmed and folloups redirected to c.o.l.help. Please do not crosspost between the Linux groups unnecessarily. ] reczek@acsu.buffalo.edu (Tim Reczek) writes: > I have two hard drives: Westen Digital 340MB as master, Maxtor 130MB > as slave. I was considering using the 130MB dive to run linux on while > leaving the 340MB drive solely DOS. > > Question: Can I make the linux partion on the 2nd drive the active partition? I think these are your options: a) boot Linux from floppy b) boot Linux with bootlin (or whatever), a DOS program that boots Linux (i.e., you first boot DOS, and then use bootlin to boot Linux) It is possible that the following might also work. I have neither experience nor documentation (at the moment): c) you install LILO as the master boot record on your first hard drive and tell that to load Linux from the second hard drive -- Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi) It doesn't matter who you are, it's what you do that takes you far. --Madonna ------------------------------ From: rcopg@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Paul Gortmaker) Subject: Some "benchmark" results. Date: 24 Sep 1993 13:15:35 GMT Here are some interesting "pseudo-benchmarks" that I ran recently. I'll leave the interpretation up to you. (That is, *if* there is anything meaningful to be interpreted.) Machine: Intel 486DX-33, 20Mb 70ns DRAM, 256k external cache, OPTI c/s. ======================================================================= Test 1: ======= Kernel Compile: t=13:15 Kernel Compile with ext. cache disabled: t=23:01 (+74%) Kernel Compile running CPU @ 40 MHz: t=10:59 (-17%) Kernel was 0.99p12 (+ Linus patch) with ext2fs, msdos, TCP/IP, time to do "sync;date>/tmp/time;make;sync;date>>/tmp/time" with no daemons running except /etc/update. Second Test: =========== Compile three small packages at the same time, namely procps-0.7, ps-0.99.12 and e2fsprogs-0.3. (Done via script below) The idea is that three different processes should exceed the capacity of the 8k internal cache. (However, the processes share the fact they are all using GCC) average time with cache enabled: t=161 seconds average time with cache disabled: t=273 seconds (+70%) time with CPU running at 40 MHz: t=137 seconds (-14%) Note that there was also a disk speed increase seen @ 40MHz, due to the fact that the ISA bus speed was increased to ~10MHz as a direct result. This is directly incorporated into the above 40MHz results. This script was run with all daemons killed, except /etc/update. ======================testing script================ #!/bin/sh # # remove any old cruft # cd /usr/src/procps make clean > /dev/null 2>&1 cd /usr/src/ps-0.99.12 make clean > /dev/null 2>&1 cd /usr/src/e2fsprogs-0.3 make clean > /dev/null 2>&1 sync # # build the new stuff # sync date > /tmp/bench cd /usr/src/procps make all > /dev/null 2>&1 & cd /usr/src/ps-0.99.12 make all > /dev/null 2>&1 & cd /usr/src/e2fsprogs-0.3 make all > /dev/null 2>&1 sync date >> /tmp/bench echo 'The results are in /tmp/bench' ============end script========== Paul. -- Paul Gortmaker c/o Microelectronics and Materials Technology Centre. Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, GPO Box 2476V, Melbourne 3001, Victoria, Australia. Ph (61) 3 660 2601. FAX (61) 3 662 1921. e-mail: paul@cain.mmtc.rmit.oz.au rcopg@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au ------------------------------ From: alan@osborne.demon.co.uk (Alan Osborne) Subject: Re: JANA - anyone heard from them recently ? Reply-To: alan@osborne.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 15:01:41 +0000 In article <1993Sep24.054150.22179@boy.com> robert@boy.com writes: >In article > freed@europa.orion.adobe.com (Alex Freed) writes: >> >>I recommend everybody to check out the new Linux CDROM from Trans-Ameritech >>(sp?). >> >>They DO answer email, phone and ship the same day. If you live in bay area, >>they are in Santa Clara. >> >>Their email is roman@trans-ameritech.com and phone is (408) 727-3883. >> >>-Alex. > >I can also recommend this disk. It's by far the best Linux CD-ROM >I've seen, with a couple of different installation options. There's >even a "live" system on the disk that I can symbolic link to. > >They also put BSD-386 and lots of assorted utilities on >the disk. > >I got it two days after I placed my order. (Some other company kept >me waiting a l-o-n-g time for their disk!) > >-- >Robert S. > Sounds good. Now all I need is a volunteer to retrieve my money from JANA and give it to trans-ameritech, as it was my entire IT budget for about a year :-( And people wonder why I'm such a cynic...... __ AO -- _ ------------------------------ From: alan@osborne.demon.co.uk (Alan Osborne) Subject: Re: JANA - anyone heard...) Reply-To: alan@osborne.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 15:05:18 +0000 In article freed@europa.orion.adobe.com writes: > >>For the uninformed, where can I get info on all the various CD-ROM packages >>for Linux - especially ones that will allow me to RUN off the CD-ROM with >>only the user and some apps on my machine (if I so chose!) > > >The only low cost CDROM I know that lets you install a minimum system and use >the rest directly from the CDROM is the new Trans-Ameritech product. > >The email is roman@trans-ameritech.com >phone (408) 727-3883 >fax (408) 727-3882 > Sounds good. Now all I need is a volunteer to retrieve my money from JANA and pay it to trans-ameritech, as it was my entire IT budget for about a year :-( And people wonder why I'm such a cynic...... -- AO ------------------------------ From: rjust@crl.com (Randy Just) Subject: $25.95 *NEW* Yggdrasil CD-ROM Date: 24 Sep 1993 09:29:37 -0700 Yes, the new version of the Yggdrasil LINUX CD-ROM is going to be here on October 1, 1993. This release promises to be the most comprehensive plug-and-play operating system distribution ever. Based on LINUX 0.99.13 kernel, GCC 2.4.5, Xfree86 1.3 (X11R5) X-Windows and hundreds of other programs. The CD-ROM will include 235MB of binaries and 445MB of source code. Also included will be a graphical "fill in the blanks" install interface. Almost all CD-ROM interfaces are now supported including SCSI, Mitsumi, Sony 535, Sony CDU-31A and the Soundblaster compatible drives such as the new double controller. As a special promotional offer, between now and October 1, I am offering the release for $25.95 ea. Between October 1 and November 1, the release will be $27.95. After October 31, the price will be $39.95. Shipping charges for U.S. customers will be $4. 707-769-1648 Just Computers! 707-765-2447 FAX P.O. Box 751414 707-765-1431 BBS Petaluma, CA 94975-1414 rjust@justcomp.com OR rjust@crl.com Visa and Mastercard accepted as well. International orders welcomed!!! ------------------------------ From: vohwi-d@acsu.buffalo.edu (David A. Vohwinkel) Subject: Tape drive software?? Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 17:04:15 GMT I just bought a Tandberg SCSI tape drive. I was wondering what software is available for linux to do back-ups with... I am looking for something that does compression, and multiple volumes to a single tape. Can someone send me in the right direction??? Thanks -- David A Vohwinkel vohwi-d@acsu.buffalo.edu ============================================================================= ------------------------------ From: sundaram@egr.msu.edu (Divya Sundaram) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Unix Applications Source Code CD-ROM? Date: 24 Sep 1993 18:02:58 GMT Hi all, I just read about the new Yggdrasil (sp?) and JANA cd-rom releases of Linux. I am curious about whether either of them come with any documentation about install and mainatain. Anyway, the real question is whether there is a CD-ROM that is kind of like a cica.indiana Cd-ROM from Wlanut creek is for Windows, and the hobbes cd-rom is for OS/2. I would like to see a cd-rom that contains source code for many popular (but large) PD Unix/X programs. Something that contains a lot of heavy duty software (and not twenty five versions of xclock!). I read recently that Ptolemy (for X) requires 49MB for sources! This is something that is for sure a candidate for being stuck on a CD-ROM. (along with other similar heavy duty packages). The CD could be updated regularly (every 6 months or so) and vary contents too depending upon the demand. If some such service already exists, please point me to where to get more info (and sorry about the wasted bandwidth). Just some food for thought. Divya ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: Net-2 Patches are GREAT (sometimes) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 17:35:47 GMT In article jan@swi.psy.uva.nl (Jan Wielemaker) writes: >jmorriso@rflab.ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison) writes: >>the newest pl13 source and followed the net2-debugged instructions. The >>instructions tell you to move your inet directory, then unpack the new >>code. No Makefile or CONFIG is included with net2-debugged, so I >>assume you are supposed to copy the old ones (from inet.old!). I forgot to mention this. The new release when it comes out will have that corrected (and a few other oddments). >Tried exactly the same. I've got no network at home, but we're trying to >get the network stuff going at the University. Even using the loopback >net, just `rlogin myself' followed by logout crashed the system without >any message!? At least that works on plain pl13. Now I trust that the >inet-D package is debugged, but how does one get it *properly* linked >to the kernel? Nope you've found a bug. It took me 4 machines and about 40 rlogin attempts to duplicate it, but on some systems if you rlogin to localhost and the rlogin immediately screws up (as the rlogind/rlogin client pair of old tended too) you on odd occasion get a crash. This sort of thing illustrates how hard network debugging is, and why the real all new networking is taking so long. [Someone else asked how does NET2debugged fit in with the new networking. The answer is every relevant bug fix I've made has been fed back to the new networking people and most accepted and added. In time Net2debugged will no longer be neccessary and for once not being needed will make me happy! >The first thing I want are *reliable* remote running X11 applications. Try net2debugged on a real net. I don't release it until its had 3 days on a real machine doing real work on a busy net (40K/second broadcast packets + all the normal stuff). I've added local rlogin to my test list for the future and started looking at it except for that it does seem pretty much ok from reports so far apart from one other extra printk that crept in (udp.c udp_rcv kill the printk about Packet received for unknown socket). I've been using net2debugged heavily for X and its been quite good - I even test mpeg_play to a remote host as standard. >The second thing I want is nfs. NIS would be the greatest! NFS has been solid (but none too quick) since 0.99.11 (I think) 0.99.10 certainly had a memory corrupting bug. Over slip you need to turn on udp checksums and unless you have net2debugged set the slip mtu to about 1200 before not after you use dip to connect (goes for NET2E4 also) > Thanks --- Jan Thanks for finding a bug. I know where most of this evening will be going now 8-). Alan iiitac@pyr.swan.ac.uk ------------------------------ From: rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.windows.x Subject: What's the Difference? (X) Date: 24 Sep 1993 18:26:22 GMT I've had a hell of a time getting things working right under the latest TAMU Linux release. Now, finally, everything *works*... except "more". No, it's *not* a permissions problem, and yes, I *know* that "less" would still work... but it really makes me nervous. What could be the difference between logging in then doing startx and logging in through xdm? Why on earth would it screw up "more"??? Here's the scoop: In the beginning (when I installed Linux [TAMU.99pl12+] onto a clean drive), all I had to do was login as root and type "startx"... and everything worked. (Actually, I had to futz with the Xconfig, but that's beside the point.) Then I thought, "It's not good to be root all the time." So I created "rick". I copied all the 'hidden' files from / to /home/rick, then logged in as rick. Then I tried to "startx"... The "File Manager" and "xclock" came up alright, but no "xterm". Flipping back to virtual console #1 showed me that xterm couldn't find "//libXaw.so.3". Well, I thought that was strange, since LD_LIBRARY_PATH was properly set in my .profile. Why wasn't the proper library path searched for "rick" even though it showed no problem for "root"? WHERE SHOULD I DEFINE LD_LIBRARY_PATH SO THAT IT WILL GET SEARCHED??? Starting "xdm" showed similar troubles, which I'm still sorting out. I've got an interim solution (a workaround, really) where all of the shared libraries in /usr/X386/lib are symbolically linked up to the root directory. It's *ugly*, folks. ...and "more" doesn't work. It's really wierd! Any user, logging in then using "startx", has no problems at all. It works great. But if I use "xdm", *NOBODY* can get "more" to work properly. It displays the first 24 lines, then exits. Can anyone give me a clue what could cause "more" to behave this way??? RICK MILLER Voice: +1 414 221-3403 P.O. BOX 1759 FAX: +1 414 221-4744 MILWAUKEE, WI Send a postcard and I'll send one back. 53150-1759 USA Sendu bildkarton kaj mi retrosendos unu. ------------------------------ From: jepler@herbie.unl.edu (JEFF EPLER) Subject: Re: $25.95 *NEW* Yggdrasil CD-ROM Date: 24 Sep 1993 19:03:37 GMT rjust@crl.com (Randy Just) writes: > >Yes, the new version of the Yggdrasil LINUX CD-ROM is going to be here on >October 1, 1993. This release promises to be the most comprehensive >plug-and-play operating system distribution ever. Based on LINUX 0.99.13 >kernel, GCC 2.4.5, Xfree86 1.3 (X11R5) X-Windows and hundreds of other >programs. The CD-ROM will include 235MB of binaries and 445MB of source >code. Do you plan to include pl13, which is currently in alpha, as the installed kernel? Or is it because a stable, official pl13 is expected before the october 1 date? Including an alpha kernel (Except perhaps as source, with a non-alpha kernel both installed and in source form) would probably meet with lots of opposition, and is something I think SLS got flamed alot for. (Discussions that I mostly ignored, since I've already installed Linux..) > >Also included will be a graphical "fill in the blanks" install >interface. Almost all CD-ROM interfaces are now supported including SCSI, >Mitsumi, Sony 535, Sony CDU-31A and the Soundblaster compatible drives >such as the new double controller. Anyone want to buy me a CDROM drive? Thuogh it would likely be slow, a CD-dependant installation would be a very happy thing for me with my smaller HD. :-( And is there any special upgrade offer and/or easy upgrading from an earlier Yggdrasl CD-Rom version? I've been trying to help a friend upgrade to the pl11 kernel (He hopes to do networking, and I'm not sure about the alleged memory leaks in pl12+), 2.4.5 GCC, 4.4.1 libs and Xfree 1.3. The CD he bought had pl7+stuff, 2.3.2 GCC, 4.3(?) libs, and Xfree 1.1 (Actually, I guess, X386). Jeff Epler jepler@nyx.cs.du.edu jepler@herbie.unl.edu ------------------------------ From: williams@vierzk.bates.scarolina.edu (Billy L. Williams Jr.) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development Subject: Re: Net-2 Patches are GREAT Date: 24 Sep 1993 19:19:12 GMT In article , Jan Wielemaker wrote: >any message!? At least that works on plain pl13. Now I trust that the >inet-D package is debugged, but how does one get it *properly* linked >to the kernel? As per the README file, simply move your inet directory to inetd.old, then untar the new net distribution. The only oversight in the docs is that you'll have to copy the old Makefile and CONFIG files from the stock pl13 sources (make sure to change the net/inet/CONFIG and then "make config" in the top-level linux source directory as you would with any normal kernel). Have you tried this, and if so, how does it compile differently than the stock pl13 sources [are any files not getting compiled w/the new sources]? Billy L. Williams, Jr. -- Billy L. Williams, Jr. e-mail: williams@vierzk.bates.scarolina.edu University of South Carolina Master of International Business Candidate Try Linux--it will be the last OS you ever install............Go Cocks! ..................finger me for pgp key and more info.................. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help From: terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) Subject: Re: Linux Slowly Dying Off? + Lets make a game for Linux Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 19:23:54 GMT In article <1993Sep23.170927.22867@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jepler@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Epler) writes: >It's still going -- I really doubt that anything could hurt Linux at >this time, except an possibly the simultaneous destruction of all x86 >chips in the world. (Of course, there's the 68K port...) Think of the benefit to mankind as a whole, though... Terry Lambert terry@icarus.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 01:36:00 EDT From: Crossposted-To: comp.soft-sys.khoros,comp.os.linux.help Subject: Khoros for Linux. Hello, I have some questions regarding the port of Khoros to Linux. I got the original source and system files plus the patches by Wolfram Gloger. My current version of Linux is 0.99pl12, I use gcc 2.4.5 and f2c-1993.04.28. I applied the patches against the Khoros source and system files, however I failed to compile the program. After some work I was able to compile Khoros but I had to rewrite linux.cf file to implement my system configuration (Wolfram uses SYSV and I like BSD). Most of the Khoros' programs seem to work fine (I tested editimage, putimage, xprism3, xprism2, animate, many "vroutines"). However, there is a problem with cantata. I get zombies every time when executing the routine (it gets pretty bad after a while of using it :-( ). It seems that neither Wolframs patch to src/xvroutines/Lib/xvforms/signal.c (replacing kill(pid, 0) with waitpid(...) ) nor the original version (I tried both) work for me. Does any one have idea what can be done to fix this problem? I tried to contact Wolfram Gloger at wmglo@dent.med.uni-muenchen.de (regarding his Linux patch) but the e-mail gets bounced back. Any form of help would be appreciated! Thanks, -Pawel Potocki (email: potocki@lev.engr.ccny.cuny.edu) ------------------------------ From: alovell@kerberos.demon.co.uk (Anthony Lovell) Subject: Re: Linux and BIOS need HELP BAD! Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 09:15:52 +0000 Paul Cardwell (arcardw@indsvax1.indstate.edu) wrote: : I tried two machines now, both fail when console receives a BELL : (^G) -- general protection error 0000 and swapper dies. I've just tried it on my system here 'kerberos.demon.co.uk' and all I get is a noise from the pc speaker that sounds a little bit like a bell (but only just ) -- anthony ============================================================================== alovell@kerberos.demon.co.uk | If at first you don't succeed | alovell@cix.compulink.co.uk | Get a Bigger Hammer ============================================================================== ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************