From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 18:13:33 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #151 Linux-Misc Digest #151, Volume #1 Thu, 23 Sep 93 18:13:33 EDT Contents: Linux Slowly Dying Off? (Rob Grzywinski) Re: One more basic question (about date) From: esulzner@demo5.intel.com (Eric Sulzner) Date: 23 Sep 1993 02:56:42 GMT (Eric Sulzner RN4-36 x54177) Re: Linux Slowly Dying Off? + Lets make a game for Linux (Jeff Epler) Re: Hack 3.1.3 for Linux? (Kevin Smolkowski) Slap, what is it? (Barzilai Spinak) One more basic question (about date) From: esulzner@demo5.intel.com (Eric Sulzner) Date: 23 Sep 1993 02:56:42 GMT (Shannon Hendrix) GRASS (Joe Desbonnet) Re: Linux offers only ISA support (was Re: eisa, scsi) (Eric Youngdale) Re: Linux Slowly Dying Off? (Paul Petrucelly) Re: Slackware Ctr-Z bug in vi ? (John Paul Morrison) Re: Net-2 Patches are GREAT (John Paul Morrison) Re: More SLS 1.03 problems. Kernel make breaks. (Kelly Murray) Re: Linux Slowly Dying Off? (Matt Welsh) Re: Will there be a port of Linux to the upcoming PowerPC? (Ari Lemmke) [Q] Does SIGBUS have a Linux counterpart? (Robert Bauer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help From: grzyrob@elof.acc.iit.edu (Rob Grzywinski) Subject: Linux Slowly Dying Off? Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 15:50:08 GMT I remember back to the days where a new SLS was comming out every three weeks, the news groups were filled to the point of breaking with new updates and the project was full speed ahead. I hope not to start any crap (to put it mildly) with this, but I think that we (you) have a great product going here and I don't want to see it dying out. I have introduced at least ten people to the Linux system and they love it. We wait patiently for a new update and quickly grab it. We all also dab a little in fixing bugs, but times are tight. I hope that we can rejuvinate our love for the project and continue full speed again!!! I believe that the Wine project is a great idea, and it will get many a DOS/ Windows user over to the Linux system. I hope also the the dosemu project will liven up a bit (160+ days since an update!?!?!?) since that will drag the rest of my collegues over to the system (they can't live without their Star Wars.) Keep it goin' guys!!!!! Sincerely, Rob Grzywinski grzyrob@elof.acc.iit.edu ------------------------------ From: Eric Sulzner RN4-36 x54177 Subject: Re: One more basic question (about date) From: esulzner@demo5.intel.com (Eric Sulzner) Date: 23 Sep 1993 02:56:42 GMT Date: 23 Sep 1993 12:59:29 -0400 Reply-To: esulzner@cadev6.intel.com RCS uses gmt by default. You can change it at compile time. |: In article dgaluchon@cid.aes.doe.CA (Daniel Galuchon) writes: 1. The date is correct, except that it should bear the label EST and not GMT. /usr/lib/zoneinfo/time.doc has good instructions. (It's /usr/lib/something else in an older SLS, but still recognizably related to timezones). If not in a FAQ, it should be. Tells you how to keep your hardware clock on GMT and do conversions too. -- Eric Sulzner esulzner@cadev6.intel.com disclaimer -> I am not speaking for Intel. I noticed that when I was running on GMT time with the EDT conversion that my time was not right always. For file stamping and a lot of programs (utree for example, w/time in the header) it worked. However, I noticed that Revision Control System (RCS) would never get the right conversion. It always got GMT and used that instead. So, at midnight local when I did a checking with RCS, it dated the file 4am. All other times that I remember were correct. Since I use RCS all the time this was a big deal to me so now I run local time, having renamed /usr/lib/zoneinfo to something else. Everything works perfectly now, I just have to remember to do the time changes myself. No big deal anyway. Have to set the clock a few times per year as it is. csh / shendrix@pcs.cnu.edu / Christopher Newport University Eric Sulzner esulzner@cadev6.intel.com (408)765-4177 ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help From: jepler@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Epler) Subject: Re: Linux Slowly Dying Off? + Lets make a game for Linux Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 17:09:27 GMT In article <1993Sep23.155008.29374@iitmax.iit.edu> grzyrob@elof.acc.iit.edu (Rob Grzywinski) writes: >I remember back to the days where a new SLS was comming out every three >weeks, the news groups were filled to the point of breaking with new >updates and the project was full speed ahead. Well, I think that the total traffic of the col.* groups put together is about the same as the old col, with maybe a little less noise. But as for new SLS's often, you're confusing one _distribution_ with the OS. The Slackware distribution has been updated (to 1.03? Or some such) just recently. The Debian release is soon to come, and I think I saw a note about the upgrade of Tamu. The kernel is still being enhanced -- pl12 is less than a month old (out of alpha) and pl13 is in alpha. The work on net stuff seems to be proceeding. Wine and Slap are going on "behind the scenes." (Perhaps some of the traffic you're missing has moved to one of the Channels..) > I hope not to start any crap (to put it mildly) with this, but I think >that we (you) have a great product going here and I don't want to see it >dying out. I have introduced at least ten people to the Linux system and >they love it. We wait patiently for a new update and quickly grab it. >We all also dab a little in fixing bugs, but times are tight. It's still going -- I really doubt that anything could hurt Linux at this time, except an possibly the simultaneous destruction of all x86 chips in the world. (Of course, there's the 68K port...) > >I believe that the Wine project is a great idea, and it will get many a DOS/ >Windows user over to the Linux system. I hope also the the dosemu project >will liven up a bit (160+ days since an update!?!?!?) since that will drag >the rest of my collegues over to the system (they can't live without their >Star Wars.) I doubt any degree of development will allow me to run Xwing or Dune II while I render in the background (At a decent speed for both.) What we really need is people writing good shareware games to run under Linux, using svgalib or the like. (Anyone want to send lots of mail to people @idsoftware.com telling them they should make DOOM run under Linux in a native fashion? :-) But seriously -- Is anyone out there writing games for Linux? Games are the only thing that my DOS partition from becoming /usr2.... Surely something of at least the quality of Apogee's "sixteen colour platform game, for the sixteenth time. But we *did* change the sprites" series of games is possible... (And just think: In one year's time, CFV on comp.os.linux.games... It should happen!!) What's a computer for besides games? -- Jeff Epler jepler@herbie.unl.edu (Preferred) or jepler@nyx.cs.du.edu ____ "Nuke the unborn gay whales" -- Never seen on a protest sign \bi/ I have no time for petty theft, I have no time for sex, \/ But I have time for what I like, And that is what is best. ------------------------------ From: kevins@aragorn.ori.org (Kevin Smolkowski) Subject: Re: Hack 3.1.3 for Linux? Date: 23 Sep 1993 17:32:41 GMT In article <27lvsd$1sa@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> jroberts@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Jason Robertson) writes: Has anybody seen Hack 3.1.3 for Linux? I have seen 3.1.2- But would like to know if the newer version of it is out there somewhere. Thanks... NetHack is really easy to compile for Linux, grab the source from linc.cis.upenn.edu and do it yourself. If you run into problems drop me a line. -Kevins ------------------------------ From: barspi@wam.umd.edu (Barzilai Spinak) Subject: Slap, what is it? Date: 23 Sep 1993 18:32:00 GMT Recently I read a post where something about a Slap project was mentioned. What is Slap? +---------------------------------+ | Barzilai Spinak | | ..... barspi@wam.umd.edu | | (-O-O-) barspi@eng.umd.edu | +nnn--U--nnn----------------------+ ------------------------------ From: shendrix@pcs.cnu.edu (Shannon Hendrix) Subject: One more basic question (about date) From: esulzner@demo5.intel.com (Eric Sulzner) Date: 23 Sep 1993 02:56:42 GMT Date: 23 Sep 1993 14:40:44 -0400 Reply-To: shendrix@pcs.cnu.edu (Shannon Hendrix) RCS uses gmt by default. You can change it at compile time. OK... it shouldn't do that, IMHO. It should user whatever the zone the system is using. I have source so I will just make my own version. Thanks. csh / shendrix@pcs.cnu.edu / Christopher Newport University ------------------------------ From: joe@epona.physics.ucg.ie (Joe Desbonnet) Subject: GRASS Date: 23 Sep 1993 13:40:32 -0500 Has anyone managed to get graphics to work on Grass? I believe you need a Motif library to do this. Perhaps someone who has bought the Motif library can compile it and make the binaries available. Joe. -- Joe Desbonnet, Email: joe@epona.physics.ucg.ie Dept of Physics, ICBM-Net: 9 3.565'W; 53 16.803'N University College Phone: +353-91-24411 x 2716 Galway, Ireland. Fax : +353-91-25700 ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit From: eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale) Subject: Re: Linux offers only ISA support (was Re: eisa, scsi) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 18:39:31 GMT In article benti4@cserve.cs.adfa.oz.au (Tim J.Benham) writes: >Exactly what support does the kernel need to provide for EISA? I know that >there are Linux *device drivers* for EISA cards which, from reports, >work fine. The only limitation on using EISA under Linux that I've heard >about is that it wont do DMA to memory under 16M, which isn't a great >limitation given hardly anyone has more than 16M. Sigh. So much incorrect information, and so little time. It is the ISA bus, not the EISA bus that has a 16Mb limitation. EISA bus cards should be able to access the full 4Gb of address space. The linux scsi drivers for ISA bus cards that do DMA all use intermediate buffers so that systems with more than 16Mb work correctly. Finally, there are lots of people with more than 16Mb. Me, for instance. -Eric -- "When Gregor Samsa woke up one morning from unsettling dreams, he found himself changed in his bed into a lawyer." ------------------------------ From: petrucel@phx.sectel.mot.com (Paul Petrucelly) Subject: Re: Linux Slowly Dying Off? Reply-To: petrucel@phx.sectel.mot.com Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 17:33:28 GMT I've been using OS/2 for the past 1 1/2 years, and have been slowly moving away from DOS/Windoze (at a run). A friend of mine has been running Linux here at Mot. for the last year. Since I use a Sun Workstation at work, I'd like to get a disk for my home system which would allow me to also boot Linux. Is there a FAQ, and where is it? paul ------------------------------ From: jmorriso@rflab.ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison) Subject: Re: Slackware Ctr-Z bug in vi ? Date: 23 Sep 1993 19:25:19 GMT In article <1993Sep21.213151.8460@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il>, Ron Edgar wrote: >Try this: exit the vi editor with ^z (aka suspend..), when you go back >with fg, it want let you ESC and go to command mode. Is this a known bug >or something wrong with my specific configuration ? It's not a bug (unless it is a bug with Linux BSD tty emulation), it was just compiled incorrectly. I noticed the same problem with an elvis binary I downloaded; I think a change in libc helped show up the problem. In any case, I noticed the same problem: the thing was that the tty was not being set properly, and the default signal handlers were catching ^Z; and this confuses elvis. Elvis wants the tty in raw/whatever mode, so it can see ^Z as just another character, and then elvis will process ^Z as a command (which does some stuff, then it sends the suspend signal). You have to recompile elvis with the SysV options and termios. I can upload binaries to sunsite or tsx, I suppose. I'd rather send diffs (even though my changes have some kludges); after all, we do have source for everything. > > >-- > ______________________________________________________________ > | Ron Edgar | > | | > | TeX: " When you pronounce it correctly to your computer, the | > | terminal may become slightly moist. " D. E. Knuth. | > |______________________________________________________________| -- ___________________________________________________________________________ John Paul Morrison | University of British Columbia, Canada | Hey hey!! Ho ho!! Electrical Engineering | Tax & spend liberals jmorriso@rflab.ee.ubc.ca VE7JPM | have got to go!! ________________________________________|__________________________________ ------------------------------ From: jmorriso@rflab.ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development Subject: Re: Net-2 Patches are GREAT Date: 23 Sep 1993 19:32:58 GMT In article <27qj40$cli@bigbird.csd.scarolina.edu>, Billy L. Williams Jr. wrote: :Hello Fellow net-users, : :I would just like to remark that the net-2 patches found on sunsite under :/pub/Linux/system/Network/net2-debugged-tcp.tar.z really work wonders for :me. My system (pl 12, 13 alpha, and 13) really wasn't stable at all under :any kind of net load, but the new patches really help my system stay up :under normal usage. Take a look: OK, what's the secret? I can get pl13 with net-2e4 running, although it isnt very stable. I'm about to give up on net-2e, so I downloaded the newest pl13 source and followed the net2-debugged instructions. The instructions tell you to move your inet directory, then unpack the new code. No Makefile or CONFIG is included with net2-debugged, so I assume you are supposed to copy the old ones (from inet.old!). After compiled and booting, the new net2 stuff won't even detect my ethercard. : :[1] % uptime : 6:14pm up 17:47, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.06, 0.02 : :and I've been hitting the net fairly hard trying to crash the machine :(it didn't crash 17:47 ago either, just rebooted after applying patches). :This would have been unthinkable without these patches--a simple repition :of "tcpspray" commands would eventually bring it down (after approx. :100 or so such commands in a row). : :Oh, my hardware: 386-40, 20 meg ram (but with kernel 16 meg limit due to :the ethernet card drivers), Boca AT1500 compatible card, nothing else :special. : :Thank you, Swansea University, for making my net stable! : :By the way, can anybody direct me to the newest telnetd and rlogind? I :realize that I should get them for pl 13, but I have been unable to find :any kind of new sources for them.... : :Billy L. Williams, Jr. :-- : Billy L. Williams, Jr. e-mail: williams@vierzk.bates.scarolina.edu : University of South Carolina Master of International Business Candidate : Try Linux--it will be the last OS you ever install............Go Cocks! : ..................finger me for pgp key and more info.................. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ John Paul Morrison | University of British Columbia, Canada | Hey hey!! Ho ho!! Electrical Engineering | Tax & spend liberals jmorriso@rflab.ee.ubc.ca VE7JPM | have got to go!! ________________________________________|__________________________________ ------------------------------ From: kem@prl.ufl.edu (Kelly Murray) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux Subject: Re: More SLS 1.03 problems. Kernel make breaks. Date: 23 Sep 1993 20:01:19 GMT In article , egdorf@zaphod.lanl.gov (Skip Egdorf) writes: |> In article egdorf@zaphod.lanl.gov (Skip Egdorf) writes: |> |> I have just installed SLS 1.03 retrieved from tsx-11.mit.edu on the |> afternoon of Sept 17. |> ... |> however, the real problem comes when I try to rebuild the kernel. |> |> And I have just found another interesting wrinkle, doing another make zImage |> doesn't change the problem, but REBOOTING does. It compiles tty_io.c |> with no problem and proceeds for a few dozen more files until it |> breaks again in the same way. I am now on my third reboot and the kernel |> is getting compiled slowly... I get the same kind of behavior on my SLS 1.01 release. The compiler screws up sometimes, especially if it has been compiling lots of stuff. I just reboot, and things then compile without errors as expected. My guess is that the page faulting system is buggy, especially since I also sometimes get messages about bad page tables, etc. This happens on both a .97 kernel and the 99 1.01 kernel, and with different CPU's (386sx and 486sx), different memory (8mb, 16mb) and disks (IDE and ESDI), so I think its a software problem and not hardware related. -Kelly Murray ------------------------------ From: mdw@sunSITE.unc.edu (Matt Welsh) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: Linux Slowly Dying Off? Date: 23 Sep 1993 20:52:46 GMT Goodness. This should not be posted to 3 of the 4 unmoderated Linux groups. Please don't crosspost. Followups to c.o.l.m. In article <1993Sep23.155008.29374@iitmax.iit.edu>, Rob Grzywinski wrote: >I remember back to the days where a new SLS was comming out every three >weeks, the news groups were filled to the point of breaking with new >updates and the project was full speed ahead. > I hope not to start any crap (to put it mildly) with this, but I think >that we (you) have a great product going here and I don't want to see it >dying out. It's not dying off... not at all. It's simply stabilizing. Things aren't changing as rapidly, which is a sign of maturity. > I hope that we can rejuvinate our love for the project and continue full >speed again!!! Believe me, we're running at 105% maximum warp, captain, and I'm not sure that this ship can take any more. Granted, there are some projects that have fallen by the wayside, but I don't see that as a general trend. mdw -- Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce@tc.cornell.edu ------------------------------ From: arl@cs.hut.fi (Ari Lemmke) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development Subject: Re: Will there be a port of Linux to the upcoming PowerPC? Date: 21 Sep 1993 22:18:35 GMT In article <1993Sep16.211424.7634@iitmax.iit.edu> grzyrob@elof.acc.iit.edu (Rob Grzywinski) writes: : With all of the work going into the development and porting of Linux : will there be an effort to port over to the PowerPC (running on the : MPC601 Motorola chip) when they are released? I'll start it as soon as you send me a PowerPC machine ;-) : Thanks in advance The same... : Rob Grzywinski arl ------------------------------ From: rbauer@ecst.csuchico.edu (Robert Bauer) Subject: [Q] Does SIGBUS have a Linux counterpart? Date: 23 Sep 1993 21:32:28 GMT While compiling the newest version of Pari on my system (slackware .99p12) I ran into an error stemming from the fact that linux does not define SIGBUS. I was able to work around the problem by commenting out the relevant code, but was wondering why this signal is not defined. Also, is there an alternate signal which accomplishes the same thing as SIGBUS? Thanks in advance for explaining this, Robert rbauer@ecst.csuchico.edu ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************