From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 03:13:28 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #149 Linux-Misc Digest #149, Volume #1 Thu, 23 Sep 93 03:13:28 EDT Contents: Running stuff from CDROM (WAS Re: JANA - anyone heard...) (Alex Freed) IOMEGA 150Mb Removable Disk Drive Questions (Steve Tinney) Re: A Linux tee shirt would be nice (Kelly Murray) Re: *** Commercial app developer and Linux! *** (Andreas Matthias) More SLS 1.03 problems. Kernel make breaks. (Skip Egdorf) Re: More SLS 1.03 problems. Kernel make breaks. (Skip Egdorf) Net-2 Patches are GREAT (Billy L. Williams Jr.) SCSI Information (Jeffrey P. Bakke) where to find source codes of the commands in /usr/bin (Yanchun Scott Zhao) linux & 3c501 ? experiences ? (Jussi Savola) Re: *** Commercial app developer and Linux! *** (Andrew R. Tefft) Re: GRASS (NSF SF Bay research projects) Re: One more basic question (about date) (Eric Sulzner) Re: where to find source codes of the commands in /usr/bin (Philip Balister) Freeware Linux BBS - READ! (Ken Geis) Re: GRASS (Paul Gortmaker) Re: linux & 3c501 ? experiences ? (Peter Newcomb) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: freed@europa.orion.adobe.com (Alex Freed) Subject: Running stuff from CDROM (WAS Re: JANA - anyone heard...) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 18:02:53 GMT >For the uninformed, where can I get info on all the various CD-ROM packages >for Linux - especially ones that will allow me to RUN off the CD-ROM with >only the user and some apps on my machine (if I so chose!) The only low cost CDROM I know that lets you install a minimum system and use the rest directly from the CDROM is the new Trans-Ameritech product. The email is roman@trans-ameritech.com phone (408) 727-3883 fax (408) 727-3882 -- _______________________________________________________ | -Alex Freed (The opinions expressed are my own. | | However everyone is entitled to them.) | | freed%adobe.com@uucp-gw-1.pa.dec.com | ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: sjt@enlil.museum.upenn.edu (Steve Tinney) Subject: IOMEGA 150Mb Removable Disk Drive Questions Date: 22 Sep 93 17:30:30 GMT I'm interested in getting one of the newly-reduced SCSI based IOMEGA 150 Mb internal removable disk-drives. Does anyone actually have one of these running under Linux? If so, could you tell if 1) You can use ext2fs on it 2) You can switch drives without rebooting My guess is `yes' to both of these, but under OS/2 you can only either treat the disk as a big floppy (fat only) or treat the disk as fixed, which requires rebooting to switch disks. I plan to use this as an extensible hard-disk/backup unit, and need both of the above to accomplish this. Thanks, Steve ------------------------------ From: kem@prl.ufl.edu (Kelly Murray) Subject: Re: A Linux tee shirt would be nice Date: 22 Sep 1993 18:40:52 GMT In article <27o9baINNek2@life.ai.mit.edu>, shredder@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Ian Melven) writes: |> In article jimd@netcom.com (Jim Dodd) writes: |> >I'm new to the linux family, so this may not be a new idea. But: |> > |> >I was thinking that if someone was of an artistic (NOT autistic) nature |> >they might design a tee shirt for Linux users. If it could be put into |> >postscript it could easily be printed and then applied to a tee shirt |> >by any of the many tee shirt stores found at any tourist hangout. |> > |> >This would be great for wearing to places like UniExpo, etc. |> > |> |> Nope, it's not a new idea.. :) In fact, someone else is selling Linux |> t-shirts.. I ordered one a couple weeks ago, but haven't got it yet. |> I also misplaced the email address of the seller, as did another |> t-shirt buyer who also hasn't yet received anything.. I'll let you know |> if we ever get our shirts, or find out who the guy selling them is. :) |> Ian |> shredder@ai.mit.edu Let me make a suggestion for buying and selling Linux T-shirts: Buy them directly from a real T-shirt company. One of my cousins has a T-shirt shop on the beach in Southern California. T-shirts and silk-screening stuff is his only business. So he can both take credit cards, ship anywhere, and as a direct source, he takes responsibility for any problems. I'm sure he would be very happy to sell Linux T-Shirts (or hats, beach towels, ...) if he got enough orders to justify creating the silk-screens. Send me mail if you would like a Linux T-shirt. If there is enough interest, I will simply post the phone number of his shop, and you can call him and order a shirt from to him directly. I recall there was much debate on a design/logo. Was there any consensys reached? -Kelly Murray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 93 00:01:24 +0100 From: Andreas_Matthias@p43.rollo.central.de (Andreas Matthias) Subject: Re: *** Commercial app developer and Linux! *** p > : >and capabilities change drastically, and binaries are not compatible. p > All Linux binaries run on all Linux machines. The base format for a Linux p > binary is a.out. p > In general a program linked against an older shared library will run with p > a new shared library. I use an old SLS with 99pl4 at home and the binaries DO NOT work as expected on newer releases (they coredump or do other strange things). Ciao, Andreas ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux From: egdorf@zaphod.lanl.gov (Skip Egdorf) Subject: More SLS 1.03 problems. Kernel make breaks. Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 21:54:28 GMT I have just installed SLS 1.03 retrieved from tsx-11.mit.edu on the afternoon of Sept 17. I had the same "noise" problems others have noted (e.g. TeX install complaining because some files are directories or some such...) however, the real problem comes when I try to rebuild the kernel. I have a 3com ethernet controller connected to a thickwire network. I am used to the fact that the ec503 driver is built for the thinwire conenctor, and needs the EL2_AUI symbol turned on. (That's ok, most Linux users probably want the thin instead of the thick wire, and I have no problem rebuilding kernels... until today, that is...) make config -> with "y" to most questions... make dep make zImage and when it gets to tty_io.c tty_io.c: In function `int tty_select (struct msdos_inode_info::inode*, struct ifs_file_info::file*, int, struct select_table_struct*)': tty_io.c:1420: Internal Compiler Error. tty_io.c:1420: Please submit a full bug report to `bug-g++@prep.ai.mit.edu'. This was a "clean" build of SLS onto new partitions, not an upgrade of an earlier version. This is the first SLS release where I haven't been able to do at least a kernel rebuild. I have tried to just use gcc rather than the c++ mode, but that causes many more problems. I have tried a few different 'make config' runs trying small vs large kernels, (though tty_io.c shouldn't be affected by much that can be done with make config) and am out of ideas. I can still get stuff from the net via a Sun (though the Sun's floppy is SOOO slow...) if needed. Any suggestions?? Skip Egdorf hwe@lanl.gov ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux From: egdorf@zaphod.lanl.gov (Skip Egdorf) Subject: Re: More SLS 1.03 problems. Kernel make breaks. Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 22:10:45 GMT In article egdorf@zaphod.lanl.gov (Skip Egdorf) writes: I have just installed SLS 1.03 retrieved from tsx-11.mit.edu on the afternoon of Sept 17. ... however, the real problem comes when I try to rebuild the kernel. And I have just found another interesting wrinkle, doing another make zImage doesn't change the problem, but REBOOTING does. It compiles tty_io.c with no problem and proceeds for a few dozen more files until it breaks again in the same way. I am now on my third reboot and the kernel is getting compiled slowly... What sort of memory does gcc have between runs that is cleared by a reboot??? This is a 486/33 with 16 MB. Skip Egdorf hwe@lanl.gov ------------------------------ From: williams@vierzk.bates.scarolina.edu (Billy L. Williams Jr.) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development Subject: Net-2 Patches are GREAT Date: 22 Sep 1993 22:20:48 GMT Hello Fellow net-users, I would just like to remark that the net-2 patches found on sunsite under /pub/Linux/system/Network/net2-debugged-tcp.tar.z really work wonders for me. My system (pl 12, 13 alpha, and 13) really wasn't stable at all under any kind of net load, but the new patches really help my system stay up under normal usage. Take a look: [1] % uptime 6:14pm up 17:47, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.06, 0.02 and I've been hitting the net fairly hard trying to crash the machine (it didn't crash 17:47 ago either, just rebooted after applying patches). This would have been unthinkable without these patches--a simple repition of "tcpspray" commands would eventually bring it down (after approx. 100 or so such commands in a row). Oh, my hardware: 386-40, 20 meg ram (but with kernel 16 meg limit due to the ethernet card drivers), Boca AT1500 compatible card, nothing else special. Thank you, Swansea University, for making my net stable! By the way, can anybody direct me to the newest telnetd and rlogind? I realize that I should get them for pl 13, but I have been unable to find any kind of new sources for them.... Billy L. Williams, Jr. -- Billy L. Williams, Jr. e-mail: williams@vierzk.bates.scarolina.edu University of South Carolina Master of International Business Candidate Try Linux--it will be the last OS you ever install............Go Cocks! ..................finger me for pgp key and more info.................. ------------------------------ From: bakke@plains.NoDak.edu (Jeffrey P. Bakke) Subject: SCSI Information Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 22:19:02 GMT A week or so ago, I posted a message to here (and a few other forums) asking about the differences between SCSI, SCSI-II, Fast SCSI, etc. I received a email note asking if I would post what I found out.. Here's what I've pieced together, and if I'm wrong, please post and let me know. SCSI-I was the first SCSI standard, limits transfer rates to about 1.5MB/Sec SCSI-II is now the most common, you probably can't even buy at SCSI-I hard drive these days. Transfer rates increased to about 5MB/Sec. Fast SCSI-II is the newest implementation of the SCSI standards, it requires a higher-than-normal quality SCSI cable and will supposedly read 10MB/Sec transfers or better. A downside is that since the cable is so important, you are possibly limited to the number of devices you can chain on the same cable. There is also a standard called "Wide" SCSI-II but as far as I know, there arent' any manufacturers of this standard yet. Also, apparently "Fast" and "Wide" can be combined so there will be a "Fast Wide SCSI-II" supposedly in the future. I was primarily interested in Adaptec's 1542C or 1742 sseries of controllers but there are different models. Apparently, all of the SCSI standards are backwards compatible. So a "Fast SCSI-II" controller can also handle a "SCSI-II" or a "SCSI-I" device. I ended up purchasing the adaptech 1542C for use with an ISA 486-DX50. I made my choice not so much for performance but for the fact that I've was offered 2 free SCSI-II Hdard drives and a Viper 150 SCSI Tape drive. According to responses I got, if you're looking for the absolute fastest performance, Local Bus with a cacheing Loccal bus controller blows everything else out of the water. A Local Bus IDE will outperform an EISA SCSI. There is some dissention as to whether a VLB IDE is better than a VLB SCSI but pretty much everyone agreed that VLB is the way to go for performance. (Unfortunately, my funds are limited :-) Anyway, that is pretty much what I found out. Feel free to correct or add to this information. I'm always curious. -- Jeffrey P. Bakke bakke@plains.NoDak.edu (...other idiot methods...) UUCP : ...!uunet!plains!bakke BITNET : bakke@plains.bitnet ------------------------------ From: Yanchun Scott Zhao Subject: where to find source codes of the commands in /usr/bin Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 19:45:59 GMT Exuse me if it is a FAQ. Where can I find the source codes of the commands in /usr/bin for Linux, such as cp, ls, mv etc. ? Thanks in advance. Yanchun ------------------------------ From: jsavola@cc.lut.fi (Jussi Savola) Subject: linux & 3c501 ? experiences ? Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 00:52:21 GMT Yea, Im writing this on linux, of course, on an AMD386. On the 286 beside me lies an old 3c501-card, connected via pctcp to this 386. I have a bunch of those 501s, and I would like someone who uses those with linux to contact me, and tell, how to do it. On this 386 is a NE2000 clone, only temporarily borrowed from a friend. I know I know, I am masochistic type, but my braindamage is much worse than that of those 501's... :-) The cards _are_ slow, but I dont care, as long as I can use them. PS. Anyone wanna buy a cheap ethernet card ? :-) So, please, contact! Jussi -- * Man and Kzinti make poor slaves. * I speak for myself, not Korpraalinkuja 1/489 53810 Lappeenranta Finland * for anybody else, not for 358 - 53 - 552 489 * PGP - key available by fingering or request * my rats, nor my organization. All opinions (?) are a product of misunderstanding. ------------------------------ From: teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com (Andrew R. Tefft) Subject: Re: *** Commercial app developer and Linux! *** Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 01:28:16 GMT [ someone wanted interleaf and / or frame ports ] By the way, I did ask interleaf about a Linux port. They were interested in acquiring a copy of Linux but not in porting Interleaf to it. The feeling was the return on their investment would not be worth the effort, and they are having enough trouble keeping up with the platforms they do support. I would think it would be easier than a DOS port (which exists already) since the X framework, unix filesystem, etc. are already there, but I can't deny that they would have to sell it as a low profit item (nevermind using it as a "loss leader" for their other platforms). Also by the way, I have been making it a habit to ask vendors of software I like whether they are interested in a Linux port. At the very least it often gets them interested in Linux, and (as Warner shows) a Linux enthusiast can have some effect. -- -- Andy Tefft - new, expanded .sig - teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com ------------------------------ From: nsf@wildcat.ced.berkeley.edu (NSF SF Bay research projects) Subject: Re: GRASS Date: 23 Sep 1993 05:38:51 GMT In article carsten@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Carsten Hellmich) writes: >Hi >I want to install GRASS on a Linux platform. I just read through >some guides from *.army.mil and got the feeling that it will be >a nice job. If somebody has already experience and perhaps a cut >down version that gives a feeling about it, it would be great. >I heard about a Linux binary somewhere. > >Email is fine > Thanks carsten carsten@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de You can do the compile with some help from Andy Burnett, but, even better, you can get the grass binaries from .... let's see it's... topquark.cecer.army.mil (129.229.1.77) in /pub/grass Good luck, I'd appreciate any comments. -Howard -- Howard Foster (nsf@ced.berkeley.edu) Ph.D. candidate^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H, (got it!) Environmental Planning, UC Berkeley. Phone: 510-848-1241 ------------------------------ From: esulzner@demo5.intel.com (Eric Sulzner) Subject: Re: One more basic question (about date) Date: 23 Sep 1993 02:56:42 GMT In article dgaluchon@cid.aes.doe.CA (Daniel Galuchon) writes: 1. The date is correct, except that it should bear the label EST and not GMT. /usr/lib/zoneinfo/time.doc has good instructions. (It's /usr/lib/something else in an older SLS, but still recognizably related to timezones). If not in a FAQ, it should be. Tells you how to keep your hardware clock on GMT and do conversions too. -- Eric Sulzner esulzner@cadev6.intel.com disclaimer -> I am not speaking for Intel. ------------------------------ From: balister@maddog (Philip Balister) Subject: Re: where to find source codes of the commands in /usr/bin Date: 23 Sep 1993 01:53:08 GMT Reply-To: pbaliste@vt.edu Yanchun Scott Zhao (yzhao@math.uwaterloo.ca) wrote: : Exuse me if it is a FAQ. Where can I find the source codes of : the commands in /usr/bin for Linux, such as cp, ls, mv etc. ? : Thanks in advance. Commands mentioned above are from the GNU fileutils package. Available at prep.ai.mit.edu and finr mirror's everywhere. The more Linux specific stuff is in a set of tar file utile-n,nn, utila-mm.m. Available on tsx-11. Philip -- Reply to: pbaliste@vt.edu Linux: The choice of a GNU generation! ------------------------------ From: bogart@ucsee.Berkeley.EDU (Ken Geis) Subject: Freeware Linux BBS - READ! Date: 23 Sep 1993 02:14:53 GMT I've seen a lot of conversation on the Linux and BBS newsgroups recently about running a freeware Linux BBS. The responses haven't been too appealing, especially from the 'freeware' standpoint. I've got an idea that's perfect for the Linux environment. Why can't we write one? I'm not up to it myself, but I'd be glad to contribute whatever knowledge and coding I could. Let's talk, Ken ------------------------------ From: rcopg@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Paul Gortmaker) Subject: Re: GRASS Date: 23 Sep 1993 05:51:02 GMT carsten@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Carsten Hellmich) writes: >Hi >I want to install GRASS on a Linux platform. I just read through >some guides from *.army.mil and got the feeling that it will be >a nice job. If somebody has already experience and perhaps a cut >down version that gives a feeling about it, it would be great. >I heard about a Linux binary somewhere. >Email is fine > Thanks carsten carsten@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de ...try the following: Name: Andy Burnett E-mail: burnett@zorro.cecer.army.mil Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs Stuff: GRASS (Geog. Resources Anal. & Support System - X11 map manipulator) Regards, Paul. -- Paul Gortmaker c/o Microelectronics and Materials Technology Centre. Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, GPO Box 2476V, Melbourne 3001, Victoria, Australia. Ph (61) 3 660 2601. FAX (61) 3 662 1921. e-mail: paul@cain.mmtc.rmit.oz.au rcopg@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au ------------------------------ From: pnwb_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Peter Newcomb) Subject: Re: linux & 3c501 ? experiences ? Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 03:51:19 GMT In jsavola@cc.lut.fi (Jussi Savola) writes: >I have a bunch of those 501s, and I would like someone who uses those >with linux to contact me, and tell, how to do it. On this 386 is a >NE2000 clone, only temporarily borrowed from a friend. ditto... I've got a NoteStar NP-943 notebook with a 3c501 card -- stuck with it because it's the only thing that'll plug into it. I've got the specs for the card, but have never written a device driver; I'd appreciate any help I can get! I noticed that the 3c501 was mentioned somewhere in /usr/src/linux/net/inet, but it seem that the code for it was missing. Was it ever written? -peter -- Peter Newcomb Voice: +1 904 386 3577 Fax: +1 904 386 2562 peter@techno.com 1810 High Road, Tallahassee, FL 32303-4408 USA pnwb_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu UR CPU 275572, Rochester, NY 14627-5572 USA ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************