From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Tue, 21 Sep 93 19:13:15 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #145 Linux-Misc Digest #145, Volume #1 Tue, 21 Sep 93 19:13:15 EDT Contents: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.04) (Ian Jackson) Re: LPD and 1.03 (Frerk Meyer) Re: [UPDATE] New kernel, libs for Slackware 1.0.3 (Mark Lord) XFree ????? and TAMU ????? (Gregory E Gelles) Re: port of Linux to the upcoming PowerPC? Free manual available (Hansruedi Heeb) Re: *** Commercial app developer and Linux! *** (Simon Johnston) A Linux tee shirt would be nice (Jim Dodd) Three Basic Questions (Daniel Galuchon) Relocation of the NET Channel Flamewar (Paul Gortmaker) Re: TSX-11 not up to date ??? (Jonathan Magid) Re: port of Linux to the upcoming PowerPC? Free manual available (Shane Hoversten) Re: JANA - anyone heard from them recently ? (Alex Freed) Re: Relocation of the NET Channel Flamewar (Dan Newcombe) tsx-11 snapshot on CD-ROM; was Re: JANA (Joel Goldberger) Re: Three Basic Questions (Jim Dodd) Relocation of the NET Channel Flamewar (Russell Nelson) Linux patches to top? (Gregory Gulik) Re: RSA129 factoring attack -- participants needed (Paul Fahn) Re: Recommendation of books on Tcl/Tk (Laszlo Herczeg) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson) Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.04) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 10:03:03 GMT Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of which groups you should read and post to. If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or from another Linux FTP site. In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!' The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place. Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not comp.os.linux.misc. Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions. Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in /pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq. Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me ! -- Ian Jackson (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk) 35 Molewood Close, Cambridge, CB4 3SR, England; phone: +44 223 327029 ------------------------------ From: frerk@tk.telematik.informatik.uni-karlsruhe.de (Frerk Meyer) Subject: Re: LPD and 1.03 Date: 21 Sep 1993 11:34:14 GMT In article <1993Sep21.074558.18570@gmd.de>, veit@mururoa.gmd.de (Holger Veit) writes: |> |> There is unfortunately not printcap(5) man page, but as an old 386bsd hacker, |> I got one from there. |> And of course the /var/spool/lpd path *and* the printcap(5) man page are included in the lpr package of slackware. Works fine with SLS installations, since it is based on SLS. -- Frerk Meyer -+ alias or Portnoy@irc "Do the ride thing!" o>o ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux From: mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord) Subject: Re: [UPDATE] New kernel, libs for Slackware 1.0.3 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 93 14:36:32 GMT In article <27mar1$t1k@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bf703@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes: > >I've upgraded the kernel, shared libraries, and keyboard table utilities >in the Slackware Linux distribution on ftp.cdrom.com. The files that >have changed are noted in README_ChangeLog. Just in case anyone was in >the middle of downloading (again), the old files will be saved in >/pub/linux/slackware/obsolete for a while. This also provides a nice >safety net in case I introduced any big bugs :^) Egads! And I even checked for updates before reinstalling last night! Oh well. Here are some Obligatory Cleanups for slackware103: /etc/rc.local looks for /etc/syslog[dk], which are actually located in /usr/bin, so they never run. Also, some of the commented out examples in syslog.conf do not actually work when uncommented.. There are still many duplicated man pages in /usr/man/cat1, mostly of the form: xclock.1.z xclock.1x.z There are several games manpages in /usr/man/cat1 that really belong in (and are formatted for) /usr/man/cat6 Not all of the /usr/man/{cat[0-9],man[0-9]} dirs are created. -- mlord@bnr.ca Mark Lord BNR Ottawa,Canada 613-763-7482 ------------------------------ From: gelles@tbird (Gregory E Gelles) Subject: XFree ????? and TAMU ????? Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 18:00:00 GMT After reading about Linux and XFree86, I was wondering, when (if not allready) XFree86 2.0 is planned to come out. I've seen one post that mentioned someone currently running XFree86 v2.0, but I thought it might have been a mis-type. Another question I have is where, and how up to date is the TAMU installation? I have checked TSX-11 and SUNSITE, but I cannot find a package more recent than March. Does the current release have the .99pl12 or newer kernel? Please send mail to me, or post responses. Thanks in advance, Greg Gelles gelles@cse.psu.edu geg@eclu.psu. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development From: heeb@watson.ibm.com (Hansruedi Heeb) Subject: Re: port of Linux to the upcoming PowerPC? Free manual available Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 18:00:57 GMT In article SHOVERST@atc.sp.paramax.com (Shane Hoversten) writes: >In article heeb@watson.ibm.com (Hansruedi Heeb) writes: > >>Just in case someone wants to get started on this: the (free) manual >>of the PowerPC 601 is available. It also contains a detailed >> ... > > I don't know about the other numbers you gave, but this is NOT free, at >least according to the lady at IBM. She said she had been getting lots of >calls concerning this; Apparently someone misinterpreted something. > Yup, it's not free. I cancelled the article and sent one without the word free. You read it too fast ... :-) Hansruedi ------------------------------ From: skj@oasis.icl.co.uk (Simon Johnston) Subject: Re: *** Commercial app developer and Linux! *** Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 15:10:12 GMT fritz@xlnt.zk3.dec.com wrote: : As a followup to this, I'd put my vote in for MSWord but also for : Interleaf and FrameMaker as "serious" DP packages. Both are X-based (Motif???). Before we start this, where is the 'free' Motif ? I know I can pay 200 UKP for the window manager/libraries from metrolink but after paying out for my nice BIG machine to run Linux on I don't have 200. Does anyone know of a Motif like vwm/dev system for free ?? MODULE Sig; FROM ICL IMPORT StdDisclaimer; BEGIN (*-----------------------------------------------------------------------------. | Simon K. Johnston - Development Engineer | ICL Retail Systems, | | ------------------------------------------------------ | 3/4 Willoughby Road,| | Unix Mail : S.K.Johnston.bra0801@oasis.icl.co.uk | Bracknell, Berks, | | Telephone : +44 (0)344 476320 Fax: +44 (0)344 476084 | United Kingdom | | Internal : 7621 6320 OP Mail: S.K.Johnston@BRA0801 | RG12 8TJ | `-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*) END Sig. ------------------------------ From: jimd@netcom.com (Jim Dodd) Subject: A Linux tee shirt would be nice Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 18:59:06 GMT I'm new to the linux family, so this may not be a new idea. But: I was thinking that if someone was of an artistic (NOT autistic) nature they might design a tee shirt for Linux users. If it could be put into postscript it could easily be printed and then applied to a tee shirt by any of the many tee shirt stores found at any tourist hangout. This would be great for wearing to places like UniExpo, etc. Jim Dodd jimd@netcom.com -- Jim Dodd email: jimd@netcom.com ------------------------------ From: dgaluchon@cid.aes.doe.CA (Daniel Galuchon) Subject: Three Basic Questions Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 18:50:52 GMT Two basic questions: 1. Give me a simple command to show the current version of Linux that I am using? 2. Show me how to init a floppy in Linux? ( i.e. create a partition + formatting an ext2 FS) Have tried 'fdisk /dev/fd0' Also tried 'mount /dev/fd0 ./floppy -type none' 3. Do you know if we can allow theese 2 operations, ( fdisk + format ) to other users than 'root'? Although I do not want to allow someone doing a catatrophic 'fdisk /dev/hda' ! Thanks and Linux is wonderfull ... the hell with messydos. -- ------------------------------ asphddg@cidsv01.cid.aes.doe.CA D. Galuchon ENV/DSIT/CMIOD Service aux Usagers [A lost soul who's been made redundant by EM radiation after 22 years] ------------------------------ From: rcopg@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Paul Gortmaker) Subject: Relocation of the NET Channel Flamewar Date: 21 Sep 1993 12:04:05 GMT If you are not suscribed to the NET mailing channel, then you probably want to hit "n" now. However, if you are one of these people who just sit waiting for a flamewar, then jump right in -- the temperature is rising! Background: (described as impartially as possible) ========== In a recent post to the NET channel, Russ Nelson (nelson@crynwr.com) questioned FvK's (NET-2 developer) input to the NET stuff in a rather blunt fashion. This may be due to the fact that he was unaware that Fred is connected to the Internet by a piece of string and two soup cans. However, this resulted in an immediate flood of junk being sent to the "developers channel" in defense of Fred, and also for the converse. This is very annoying for the developers, and for those who just like to sit in the background and follow the development. In an effort to move this drivel off the NET channel, it has been (hopefully) redirected here. So if you want to get your $.02 in, go ahead, follow up this thread. Paul. -- Paul Gortmaker c/o Microelectronics and Materials Technology Centre. Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, GPO Box 2476V, Melbourne 3001, Victoria, Australia. Ph (61) 3 660 2601. FAX (61) 3 662 1921. e-mail: paul@cain.mmtc.rmit.oz.au rcopg@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au ------------------------------ From: jem@sunSITE.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid) Subject: Re: TSX-11 not up to date ??? Date: 21 Sep 1993 13:04:35 GMT In article , wrote: > >Not only that, but I tried installing the tsx-11 SLS dist once. The C >library was the wrong version (got some error about incorrect jump >tables), which is pretty bad for a system with shared libraries. > >The sunsite distribution looks more up to date (and correct), although >'loadkeys' is the wrong version for pl12. Unlikely, as we mirror our SLS distribution from tsx-11, which is the authoritative source for the distribution. cheers, jem. ------------------------------ From: SHOVERST@atc.sp.paramax.com (Shane Hoversten) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development Subject: Re: port of Linux to the upcoming PowerPC? Free manual available Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 08:38:02 In article heeb@watson.ibm.com (Hansruedi Heeb) writes: >Just in case someone wants to get started on this: the (free) manual >of the PowerPC 601 is available. It also contains a detailed >description of the op codes. >The part numbers are: >IBM: 52G7484 (phone 800-IBM-MIRS) I don't know about the other numbers you gave, but this is NOT free, at least according to the lady at IBM. She said she had been getting lots of calls concerning this; Apparently someone misinterpreted something. Shane ------------------------------ From: freed@europa.orion.adobe.com (Alex Freed) Subject: Re: JANA - anyone heard from them recently ? Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 19:28:04 GMT Kevin Fluet wrote: >and some of the rarely used files such as manpage directories ready for >linking into an existing file system. The Trans-Ameritech CDROM does just that - I linked in manpages, emacs lisp, info files etc from their CD-ROM and saved a lot of disk space. I agree that pictures are not terribly useful, but with 660 Meg who cares! Better than NEXT stuff if you ask me. -- _______________________________________________________ | -Alex Freed (The opinions expressed are my own. | | However everyone is entitled to them.) | | freed%adobe.com@uucp-gw-1.pa.dec.com | ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: dnewcomb@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Dan Newcombe) Subject: Re: Relocation of the NET Channel Flamewar Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 18:28:41 GMT This is the craziest thing I've seen in a while. How about this??? We use our brains, let the drivel go down the /dev/drain, polish up the bruised egos and let it drop. rcopg@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Paul Gortmaker) writes: > If you are not suscribed to the NET mailing channel, then you > probably want to hit "n" now. > However, if you are one of these people who just sit waiting for > a flamewar, then jump right in -- the temperature is rising! > Background: (described as impartially as possible) > In a recent post to the NET channel, Russ Nelson (nelson@crynwr.com) > questioned FvK's (NET-2 developer) input to the NET stuff in a rather blunt > fashion. This may be due to the fact that he was unaware that Fred is > connected to the Internet by a piece of string and two soup cans. > However, this resulted in an immediate flood of junk being sent > to the "developers channel" in defense of Fred, and also for the converse. > This is very annoying for the developers, and for those who just like to > sit in the background and follow the development. > In an effort to move this drivel off the NET channel, it has been > (hopefully) redirected here. So if you want to get your $.02 in, go ahead, > follow up this thread. > > Paul. > -- -- Dan Newcombe dnewcomb@cybernet.cse.fau.edu and many others... "The fool who escaped from paradise will look over his shoulder and cry." -Marillion, "Script for a Jesters Tear" --- Check out Linux - the FREE i386+ Unixlike system - email me for info --- -=-=-=-=- Show how smart you are - stop flaming on the net-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: joel@infomagic.com (Joel Goldberger) Subject: tsx-11 snapshot on CD-ROM; was Re: JANA Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 14:35:20 GMT In article <1993Sep20.161627.1160@valis.ampr.ab.ca> user1@valis.ampr.ab.ca (Kevin Fluet) writes: > > What _I_ want to see (and which doesn't seem to exist) is a CD with a tsx-11 > and sunsite mirror (with no duplication), Slackware, and some of the rarely > used files such as manpage directories ready for linking into an existing > file system. > InfoMagic has announced the release of a complete mirror of tsx-11 (see posting in comp.os.linux.announce). This disc will be updated at 2 month intervals and we are open to suggestion as to its contents on future updates. Please contact us at: info@infomagic.com for more information. Joel Goldberger InfoMagic, Inc. ------------------------------ From: jimd@netcom.com (Jim Dodd) Subject: Re: Three Basic Questions Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 21:13:31 GMT Daniel Galuchon (dgaluchon@cid.aes.doe.CA) wrote: : Two basic questions: : : 1. Give me a simple command to show the current : version of Linux that I am using? : 2. Show me how to init a floppy in Linux? : ( i.e. create a partition + formatting an ext2 FS) : Have tried 'fdisk /dev/fd0' : Also tried 'mount /dev/fd0 ./floppy -type none' : 3. Do you know if we can allow theese 2 operations, : ( fdisk + format ) to other users than 'root'? : Although I do not want to allow someone doing : a catatrophic 'fdisk /dev/hda' ! : Thanks and Linux is wonderfull ... : the hell with messydos. : -- : ------------------------------ : asphddg@cidsv01.cid.aes.doe.CA : D. Galuchon ENV/DSIT/CMIOD Service aux Usagers : [A lost soul who's been made redundant by EM radiation after 22 years] -- Jim Dodd email: jimd@netcom.com ------------------------------ From: nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) Subject: Relocation of the NET Channel Flamewar Date: Tue, 21 Sep 93 18:34:15 GMT In article <27mqjl$153@aggedor.rmit.OZ.AU> rcopg@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU writes: In a recent post to the NET channel, Russ Nelson (nelson@crynwr.com) questioned FvK's (NET-2 developer) input to the NET stuff in a rather blunt fashion. The problem is that Fred's work isn't meeting our needs. This is our problem, not Fred's. For some reason, someone felt that Fred owns this problem and told him that he was being flamed. And *he* decided that we thought he owned that problem, and tried to deny that it was his problem. It isn't. I proposed that someone might want to do their own distribution of Net-2 that *does* meet our needs. I don't have the time to contribute any more to Linux than I am already doing. I have to limit my contribution to Linux to writing GPL'ed MS-DOS packet drivers. This may be due to the fact that he was unaware that Fred is connected to the Internet by a piece of string and two soup cans. Probably not -- I offered to help pay for his Internet connection. -russ What canst *thou* say? Crynwr Software Crynwr Software sells packet driver support. 11 Grant St. 315-268-1925 Voice | LPF member - ask me about Potsdam, NY 13676 315-268-9201 FAX | the harm software patents do. ------------------------------ From: greg@serveme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik) Subject: Linux patches to top? Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 20:22:56 GMT Where can I find the patches to allow me to compile top on Linux .99pl12 ?? An executable came with SLS 1.03, but I wanted to compile the new version. -greg -- Gregory A. Gulik Call Gagme, a public access greg@serveme.chi.il.us UNIX system at 312-282-8606 || gulik@rtsg.mot.com For information, drop a note to info@gagme.chi.il.us ------------------------------ From: fahn@chirality.rsa.com (Paul Fahn) Crossposted-To: sci.math,alt.security,alt.security.pgp,sci.crypt,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.wizards,isu.cc.general,isu.cc.vincent Subject: Re: RSA129 factoring attack -- participants needed Date: 21 Sep 93 15:46:26 In article explorer@iastate.edu (Michael Graff) writes: > In 1977, a 129-digit integer appeared in the pages of Scientific American. > This number, the RSA challenge modulus or RSA-129, has not yet been > successfully factored. Factoring it, a 425-bit number, would be a major > milestone in cryptography, as it would show that current technology is able to > break commonly-used RSA-cryptosystem keys within a reasonable time. This is not correct. Commonly-used RSA systems use key sizes significantly larger than 425 bits. Common RSA key sizes range from 512 bits to 1024. Factoring RSA-129 does not in any way jeopardize the security of widely used versions of RSA. Paul ------------------------------ From: las@whome.uucp (Laszlo Herczeg) Subject: Re: Recommendation of books on Tcl/Tk Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 21:51:22 GMT Weimin Zhao (wzhao@mcs.kent.edu) wrote: : Could someone recommend me books on tcl/tk? I'm trying to use it : with Linux to develop some GUI applications. Anyway, how is xview : compared with tcl/tk? : Thanks in advance! -Weimin The author of tcl (pronounced "tickle") is writing a book with Addison- Wellesley, and the draft is available at sprite.berkeley.edu ,in directory /tcl. This is as good as a book will get, and actually it is well written and fun. (well, more fun than reading only the sources) NB. This is not a Linux specific question and next time try comp.unix.questions or some more relevant group. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************