From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 11:13:17 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #137 Linux-Misc Digest #137, Volume #1 Fri, 17 Sep 93 11:13:17 EDT Contents: Re: Andrew Binaries are now on sunsite. (Joe Brown) Re: ANNOUNCE: TAMU.99p12 Source and Binary Release (Steve McMahon) Re: What's the diff between SLS, MCC, Slackware (Ian Parkin) Re: [RFI]: Scientific/Engineering Software on Linux (K J MacDonald) *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.04) (Ian Jackson) Re: Driver for 3COM Etherlink III 3c579-tp? (Paul Gortmaker) OI/uib (non-shlib vsn) & sub-classing (Nigel Head) Re: *** Commercial app developer and Linux! (Andrew R. Tefft) Re: [Q] Another HW recommendation requested (Andrew R. Tefft) Re: Andrew Binaries are now on sunsite. (jcburt@gats486.larc.nasa.gov) Re: ANNOUNCE: TAMU.99p12 Source and Binary Release (Chris Cannon) Are you buying a new system? (David Hawks) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joe@apache.dtcc.edu (Joe Brown) Subject: Re: Andrew Binaries are now on sunsite. Date: 16 Sep 1993 23:19:11 -0400 In article <1993Sep16.121113.6523@hellgate.utah.edu> tevans%sunset.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Terry Evans) writes: >Adrian Emmanuel Thilo (s1047914@cse.unsw.edu.au) wrote: >: The problem I have been having is that the font's overlay eachother >: on the one line. It seems to be related to the app trying to fully >: justify the text it wants to display. When I resize the window to >: be almost a full screen (1024x768) it clears up this problem in many cases, >: however, particularly in help, it doesn't clear up enough to make the >: help readable. > >: Any hints? I've tried changing the BodyFont for help to things like >: TimesRoman10 (or something) but this didn't help .. > >I am having the exact same problem. Please cc me in the responeses to the >above. Ditto here.. XS3-4.4 must be the problem, or so it would seem. I've tried tweaking my Xconfig some, to no avail... But, you know what's really strange; csh makes it act differently. The text still shows up *in*correctly* however, it shows up completely differently, so maybe it isn't a server problem... I don't get it... I have messed around with the help files some, and found that if you edit them with the ez-editor ( you need write permissions of course), you can make it quite viewable by turrning justification to left-justified. Select the whole document, and then Justify -- Flush Left (or right, if you prefer :-). It seems that the server doesn't understand the concept of full justifications. Hopefully this font overtype will be correct with XFree 2.0. cp tpls/help.tpl tpls/help.tpl.bak -- Religion: Yes, I believe there is a Church Murphy's Paradox: doing it the hard way is always easier (: Joe Brown :) joe@apache.dtcc.edu ------------------------------ From: steve.mcmahon@lambada.oit.unc.edu (Steve McMahon) Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: TAMU.99p12 Source and Binary Release Date: 17 Sep 93 06:32:57 GMT >>>>> On 16 Sep 1993 23:39:09 GMT, d-safford@tamu.edu (Dave Safford) said: DS> usr.X386: XFree86-1.3 Xlock xfm1.2 xinvaders.p2 xlock xsol DS> xtetris-2.5.2 xxgdb-1.06 With all due respect (Dave has always done a remendously good job), how come xinvaders is more important than a decent X comm program? I wish you included sewon, I hate hunting down sources and binaries. It's especially inconvenient for folks not on the internet. I wish somebody comes up with a distribution that has a compelete set of X apps. A distribution that is intended for use under X, and doesn't treat as an afterthought. All the ones I've seen are complete only a text-mode systems. I want one that has an X file manager (Xfilemanager), comm program (seyon), news (xrn), mail (mumail), system inforrmation (xsysinfo), ..etc. ..etc. Why does all distributions only include things like xclock and the like? Any takers? -Steve ------------------------------ From: iparkin@iris.bt.co.uk (Ian Parkin) Subject: Re: What's the diff between SLS, MCC, Slackware Reply-To: iparkin@iris.bt.co.uk Date: 17 Sep 93 09:33:16 GMT >Specifically, what are the perks offered by each of the >distributions? Just my 0.02 :- SLS and Slackware are fairly close in terms of their s/w content, both supply pretty much everything that you need. The differences are really to do with the installation scripts and problems. Recent postings would indicate that SLS has more 'undesirable features' than Slackware, but these are being fixed fairly quickly. A recent upgrade to Slackware has also had reported bugs, again these are being fixed quickly. Both are damn good releases IMHO but are not yet plug-and-play, you will have to be prepared to fix minor problems/inconveniences such as file permissions, keyboard mappings, etc. With both releases it is possible to configure the system at installation time, choosing what packages you want, etc. It is always possible to add futher packages to either release. IMHO the choice between the two is abitrary. MCC this is a self-confessed 'interim' release. It does not have as much s/w as either SLS or Slackware, it was not intended to do so, and is thus smaller in size. One advantage, or disadvantage depending how you look at it, is that it tends not to replicate functionality i.e. there are not 3 newsreaders, etc. If functionality is not present in the MCC release it should be trivial to port. If you are newish to Linux/Unix I would suggest either MCC, or a small 'base' installation of either SLS or Slackware ( all are small and thus easy to reinstall when things go badly wrong ) and when you outgrow it in terms of functionality ( i.e. you would like X ) then move on up to the 'full' version of either SLS or Slackware. For more info get hold of some of the README documents for all of the releases. IAP ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development From: kenny@festival.ed.ac.uk (K J MacDonald) Subject: Re: [RFI]: Scientific/Engineering Software on Linux Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 09:53:44 GMT Divya Alok Sundaram (sundaram@cps.msu.edu) wrote: : Hi y'all, : I am collecting a list of software packages that people have installed : and used successfully under Linux/X. I am interested in hearing about : installations and other tips that Linux-cummunity might want to know. : I hope to consolidate this in the form of a "FAQ" ... : Things in particular: : Name of software (and what it does). : Location and what files are needed .... : Source available? : How big is the source? The binaries? : Does it have printed docs? : How about Online Docs? Man pages? : How much memory is required for it? : Hints and tips when re-compiling, installing, configuring or : using the package : Idiosyncracies and bugs : Comments : I have not found a good source to go to when looking for software : packages to perform given tasks ... for example, I started to look : for a PD Neural Nets package and had to go rummaging through all : sorts of stuff to find what I needed (after I looked through the : nnet-FAQ). It would be helpful to have a list of packages that : you could flip through to find what you needed relatively quickly : by doing a name/subject search! Perhaps much of this is already being done by Jeff Kopmanis and his Linux Software Map (LSM). I strongly recommend the LSM to be the 'One True' list of software available for Linux. If we can keep it up to date and accurate it's potential is enormous. Get it from your favourite Linux ftp site ! Kenny. -- ============================================================================== Kenneth MacDonald E-mail: kenny@ed Dept. of Geology & Geophysics "Allow me to introduce myself, Major Dennis University of Edinburgh Bloodnok, International Christmas Pudding ------------------------------ From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson) Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.04) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 10:03:02 GMT Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of which groups you should read and post to. If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or from another Linux FTP site. In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!' The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place. Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not comp.os.linux.misc. Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions. Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in /pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq. Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me ! -- Ian Jackson (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk) 35 Molewood Close, Cambridge, CB4 3SR, England; phone: +44 223 327029 ------------------------------ From: rcopg@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Paul Gortmaker) Subject: Re: Driver for 3COM Etherlink III 3c579-tp? Date: 17 Sep 1993 03:33:42 GMT mattw@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Matthew Watson) writes: >Does anyone know if there is a driver for the abovementioned ethernet card >available for linux? It is a relatively new card so I am not too hopeful, >but I would like to do some linux-sco nfs performace comparisons and this >is the only card I have. >The address of a ftp site with driver code would be fine. >Thanks, >Mattw ...from the Ethernet HOWTO (maybe it should be called a FAQ still !?!) ================================= 3c509 -- A new card for 3Com. It should be cheap and have excellent performance. The drawbacks are that it _requires_ very low interrupt latency, and it isn't rated for bus speeds greater than 8Mhz. The driver is written, working, and included in pl12. But it seems to triggers a Linux TCP bug, so it's not built as part of the default kernel. There is also an alpha version of a Linux 3c509 diagnostic and EEPROM setup program, but for now users that don't like the defaults should use the MS-DOS EEPROM setup program. 3c579 -- The EISA version of the 509. The current EISA version uses the same 16 bit wide chip rather than a 32 bit interface, so the performance increase isn't stunning. The 3c509 driver should work with the EISA version, but I have neither an EISA machine nor a 3c579 to test it on. ================================= Paul. -- Paul Gortmaker c/o Microelectronics and Materials Technology Centre. Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, GPO Box 2476V, Melbourne 3001, Victoria, Australia. Ph (61) 3 660 2601. FAX (61) 3 662 1921. e-mail: paul@cain.mmtc.rmit.oz.au rcopg@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Matthew Watson - mattw@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 08:35:32 CET From: Nigel Head Subject: OI/uib (non-shlib vsn) & sub-classing Anyone sucessfully created a sub-class using the (non-shared vsn) of OI/uib? I die with "no such file...etc." message when trying to save the new sub-class! Give me a mail if you've managed this somehow please ?? (oh yes, SLS 1.03 - out of the box install). Nigel. PS: It works just fine on my SUN version ... ------------------------------ From: teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com (Andrew R. Tefft) Subject: Re: *** Commercial app developer and Linux! Reply-To: teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 12:18:03 GMT In article 20347@nntpd.lkg.dec.com, fritz@xlnt.zk3.dec.com () writes: > > As a followup to this, I'd put my vote in for MSWord but also for >Interleaf and FrameMaker as "serious" DP packages. Both are X-based (Motif???). > > It would also be nice to have at least 1 commercial CAD pkg such as CV or >Mentor Graphics in addition to the PD-ware. Thank you for brightening my day! Interleaf has a dos version which from what I've heard is dog slow. It a memory hog under SunOS. I love it but don't know if it's actually such a feasible product for small machines. I know Interleaf is on the net... anyone have an address to suggest a Linux port? A trimmed-down version *might* be plausible and perhaps they could take the route of ParcPlace and consider it a free demo of the real thing for other platforms. Mentor is a similar resource hog. 8.2 recommends 64M ram! More likely you would be able to get something like (semi-)autocad. Mentor is also super-high priced, absolutely nobody would be able to afford a linux version that would make Mentor any money, and the price/performance ratio would be horrible. I'm not sure about frame but with Mentor behind it, we know the only way it can go resource-wise... Or were you just joking? -- Andy Tefft - new, expanded .sig - teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com ------------------------------ From: teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com (Andrew R. Tefft) Subject: Re: [Q] Another HW recommendation requested Reply-To: teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 12:32:05 GMT In article ko8@genesis.ait.psu.edu, D. Jay Newman writes: >In article <1993Sep15.204830.28387@seq.uncwil.edu> David Hawks, >hawks@seq.uncwil.edu writes: >>How about those Zenons? I am starting to lean away from Comtrade and more >>towards Zenon. I have to decide in the next couple weeks. Have you > >Well, I ordered one over two weeks ago, and it hasn't arrived yet. It Did you order from Zenon or Comtrade? >was supposed to be shipped four days after my order was placed, and >then arrive 6-10 days later. It wasn't shipped for two weeks (as I found > >Right now I am worried about my order. It seems my sales-droid had been >fired sometime between the time he took my order and yesterday. This >might explain the delay. I was told my credit card was charged because >of the RAM market (BS), despite the fact that I was promised that it >wouldn't be charged until the order was shipped. This sounds very similar to the trouble a guy here at work had with Comtrade (after I had a good experience with them and recommended them to him). I ordered from them specifically because they advertised the configuration I wanted to run Linux and the price for that configuration was better than other places, after adding in all the options to "upgrade" their advertised systems. Shipping was slow and my salesperson was semi-incompetent but the system was a good deal. But when this other guy didn't get his system at the expected time (he ordered right before the ram prices went up), he called them up and found out it hadn't even been shipped! They told him they had been calling people for more money due to the ram prices. He hadn't been called or charged any more but they just hadn't shipped his system. He complained pretty loudly and they shipped it to him next day air. Anyway I think this idea of trying to raise prices after the orders are placed is poor business. I don't mind prices changing after being advertised (his initial price was actually *lower* than the ad he bought from) but once you place your order, and especially once they charge your card, is a different story. Especially since they had to have had *all* the equipment in stock at the time his order was placed and they didn't pay any more for the ram that was put in his particular system. I don't care about the business or legal validity of what they did -- it is still treating their customers like crap and they're not getting any more business from me. -- Andy Tefft - new, expanded .sig - teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com ------------------------------ From: jcburt@gats486.larc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: Andrew Binaries are now on sunsite. Date: 17 Sep 1993 14:02:43 GMT In article <1993Sep16.171706.19830@hellgate.utah.edu> tevans%sunset.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Terry Evans) writes: Thomas A Davis (tdavis@cwis.unomaha.edu) wrote: : tevans%sunset.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Terry Evans) writes: : >Adrian Emmanuel Thilo (s1047914@cse.unsw.edu.au) wrote: : >: The problem I have been having is that the font's overlay eachother : >: on the one line. It seems to be related to the app trying to fully : >: justify the text it wants to display. When I resize the window to : >: be almost a full screen (1024x768) it clears up this problem in many cases, : >: however, particularly in help, it doesn't clear up enough to make the : >: help readable. : >: Any hints? I've tried changing the BodyFont for help to things like : You guys wouldn't happen to be running XS3 0.4.4? I found it has problems, : where XFree86 1.3 doesn't have any problems. I have found other problems : with XS3, including one where XView programs can cause a sig 11 to occur, : bombing the server (this is linux 0.99.12, XFree86 1.3 libraries, XS3 0.4.4 : server) (get ftptool, the lastest. It can bomb the server every time). : I found the monochrome server under XFree86 1.3 works great with andrew. I : don't have another machine with a color monitor, so I don't know about : the color server.. Yup, I have XS3 0.4.4. So far the only things that I can't get to work correctly are Andrew and ObjectBuilder. Both appear to have the same problems with XS3. Well, just so you guys don't feel *too* special, I have the same problems with andrew and ObjectBuilder, but I'm running the x8514scaled server, not the XS3 server...perhaps its a common problem with the XFree86 1.2 based servers? When Oh When is XFree 2.0 coming out??? I *need* it!!!!!! John -- John Burton G & A Technical Software, Inc. jcburt@gatsibm.larc.nasa.gov 28 Research Dr. Hampton, Va. 23666 jcburt@gats486.larc.nasa.gov (804) 865-7491 ------------------------------ From: cannon@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Chris Cannon) Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: TAMU.99p12 Source and Binary Release Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 14:24:16 GMT Steve McMahon (steve.mcmahon@lambada.oit.unc.edu) wrote: : >>>>> On 16 Sep 1993 23:39:09 GMT, d-safford@tamu.edu (Dave Safford) said: : DS> usr.X386: XFree86-1.3 Xlock xfm1.2 xinvaders.p2 xlock xsol : DS> xtetris-2.5.2 xxgdb-1.06 : With all due respect (Dave has always done a remendously good job), : how come xinvaders is more important than a decent X comm program? I : wish you included sewon, I hate hunting down sources and binaries. seyon : It's especially inconvenient for folks not on the internet. : I wish somebody comes up with a distribution that has a compelete set : of X apps. A distribution that is intended for use under X, and Hear, hear! Perhaps as a different set. i.e. x1-n for the basic setup, y1-n for xapps, z1-n for xgames. : doesn't treat as an afterthought. All the ones I've seen are complete : only a text-mode systems. I want one that has an X file manager : (Xfilemanager), comm program (seyon), news (xrn), mail (mumail), : system inforrmation (xsysinfo), ..etc. ..etc. Why does all : distributions only include things like xclock and the like? Any : takers? : -Steve -- =================== cannon@lobby.ti.com ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware From: hawks@seq.uncwil.edu (David Hawks) Subject: Are you buying a new system? Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 15:07:56 GMT This was told to me by a person from the net and I think it is very good advice and I plan to use it when I buy a system. As you close your order with the salesperson, have them FAX you your order in all its details. That way if anything goes wrong you have a hardcopy of your order that they will not be able to question. As a side note be exact and very explicit as to what you want in your system. -- DaviD ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************