From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 20:23:47 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #136 Linux-Misc Digest #136, Volume #1 Thu, 16 Sep 93 20:23:47 EDT Contents: Anyone have term working on Ultrix? (bulvon) Driver for 3COM Etherlink III 3c579-tp? (Russell Nelson) Re: X Trackball support? (James G.) What's the diff between SLS, MCC, Slackware and Debian? (Joe Emenaker) Re: Andrew Binaries are now on sunsite. (Terry Evans) Re: ANNOUNCING: The Linux Support Service (Andrew M Langmead) Re: Andrew Binaries are now on sunsite. (Thomas A Davis) Re: BSD UNIX (Matthias Urlichs) [RFI]: Scientific/Engineering Software on Linux (Divya Alok Sundaram) Will there be a port of Linux to the upcoming PowerPC? (Rob Grzywinski) Re: Andrew Binaries are now on sunsite. (Terry Evans) SUMMARY: Vesa LocalBus SCSI controllers (Anthony Woodward) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bulvon@hardy.u.washington.edu (bulvon) Subject: Anyone have term working on Ultrix? Date: 16 Sep 1993 14:08:34 GMT Hi, I'm wondering if anyone has term working on an ULTRIX box. I assume most folks have linux running at home, but I'm hoping there's a fair number of people who may have their home machines talking to a DEC MIPS system running ULTRIX. I'm having a difficult time getting term talking between two ULTRIX machines, and am looking for pointers/advice on what may be going wrong. The line (at v32) is 8-bit clean, and term works fine locally (e.g. with the 'test' program). I've tried a remote connection with and without modem flow control enabled, and with various terminal server settings on the remote end that should ensure a transparent connection. 'Linecheck' runs with 100% valid packets. And yet, the connection fails. The local log, with a debugging level of 478, looks like this: : new client 0. : d_r_i_b: read1 from 4 (2047) did 5 : d_r_i_b: read1 from 4 (2042) did -1 :read 5 bytes from client 0 :do_control on client 0:B2: : C_PRIORITY 2 :Added pack 0 to out Q :header check == 86 :p 0 len 3 checksum == 4cc6 : d_w_f_b: write1 from 1 (14) did 14 : d_w_f_b: write1 from 4 (4) did 4 :write 4 bytes to client 0 : d_r_i_b: read1 from 4 (2043) did 5 : d_r_i_b: read1 from 4 (2038) did -1 :read 5 bytes from client 0 :Added pack 1 to out Q :header check == 87 :p 1 len 7 checksum == 6d99 : d_w_f_b: write1 from 1 (21) did 21 : d_r_i_b: read1 from 0 (2047) did 1 : d_r_i_b: read1 from 0 (2046) did 1 : d_r_i_b: read1 from 0 (2045) did 1 : d_r_i_b: read1 from 0 (2044) did 1 (et cetera, this will count down to zero and then repeat) Here's what the remote logfile looks like: : d_r_i_b: read1 from 0 (2047) did 35 : d_r_i_b: read1 from 0 (2012) did -1 Sending ack for 0 Packet 0 added to in Q Sending ack for 1 Packet 1 added to in Q : Handleing p 0 off in Q Init client 0 Stream switch to 0 : Handleing p 1 off in Q :do_control on client 0:B2: : C_PRIORITY 2 : d_w_f_b: write1 from 1 (12) did 12 :Added pack 0 to out Q :header check == 86 :p 0 len 9 checksum == 593b : d_w_f_b: write1 from 1 (23) did 23 :header check == 86 :p 0 len 9 checksum == 593b :timed out at 200 trans 1 : d_w_f_b: write1 from 1 (23) did 23 :header check == 86 :p 0 len 9 checksum == 593b :timed out at 201 trans 2 : d_w_f_b: write1 from 1 (23) did 23 :header check == 86 :p 0 len 9 checksum == 593b :timed out at 202 trans 3 : d_w_f_b: write1 from 1 (23) did 23 :header check == 86 :p 0 len 9 checksum == 593b :timed out at 201 trans 4 : d_w_f_b: write1 from 1 (23) did 23 : d_r_i_b: read1 from 0 (2013) did 1 : d_r_i_b: read1 from 0 (2012) did -1 ^M: d_r_i_b: read1 from 0 (2012) did 1 : d_r_i_b: read1 from 0 (2011) did -1 0: d_r_i_b: read1 from 0 (2011) did 1 : d_r_i_b: read1 from 0 (2010) did -1 (et cetera) So, the remote side is getting timeouts, but I can't trace it any further. I've tried specifying flow control on either side; no luck. If anyone has gotten this particular configuration working, would you let me know how you did it? I know there are lots of variable involved here (does anyone else have to contend with a Cisco server), but I'd appreciate even a couple of informed guesses. Thanks! ------------------------------ From: nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) Subject: Driver for 3COM Etherlink III 3c579-tp? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 13:46:19 GMT In article <2767su$h5m@wasp.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> mattw@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au writes: Does anyone know if there is a driver for the abovementioned ethernet card available for linux? It is a relatively new card so I am not too hopeful, but I would like to do some linux-sco nfs performace comparisons and this is the only card I have. Hmmm... Good question. The existing 3c509 driver *might* work, if it's possible to configure the 3c579 like an ISA adapter. The configuration program might not let you do that, though. And if that's the case, then you might have to add EISA support. But that shouldn't be a killer -- the only differences are in the initialization. -russ What canst *thou* say? Crynwr Software Crynwr Software sells packet driver support. 11 Grant St. 315-268-1925 Voice | LPF member - ask me about Potsdam, NY 13676 315-268-9201 FAX | the harm software patents do. ------------------------------ From: jamesg@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu (James G.) Subject: Re: X Trackball support? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 16:22:03 GMT In article <1993Sep15.192502.26718@news.dfrf.nasa.gov> davisrj@arts.dfrf.nasa.gov (Roy Davis) writes: >Hi all, > >Trying to run X on my pc with a trackball turned out ot be exactly as hopeless >as the docs say. I don't suppose someone has has made a patch to get this to >work? > >Well, if not does anyone know where I would start to look for info on how to >do the device support myself? Where is the regular mouse code for X as an >example? Where can I get the Logitech Trackman specs, only directly from >Logitech? > >Would it be an extensive effort? This would be my first serious programming in >UNIX, though I'm competent in MS-DOS. > > - Roy > >-- >The following is the sig that would appear if I knew what he was doing: >========================================================================= >= Roy Davis is : = TTFN - VF102 = >= davisrj@arts.dfrf.nasa.gov = Neophyte (ne-o-fite) - = >= davisrj@arts2.dfrf.nasa.gov = newbie + <2 years exp = >========================================================================= I've had no problems what so ever getting my Logitech Trackman to work with Linux an X. I'm using SLS 1.0. If you need to know anything more about it, reply through email, as I'm not in front of my Linux box at the moment. :( James ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help From: jemenake@trumpet.aix.calpoly.edu (Joe Emenaker) Subject: What's the diff between SLS, MCC, Slackware and Debian? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 17:31:49 GMT With all of the furor over SLS and all recently, I have a question as to the differences between all of these new "distributions" going around. You see, when I first found out about Linux, I first just got copies of the kernel and all of the utilities and all. I also got the little readme file that detailed how I was supposed to run fdisk and then mkfs and all that crap. It never did work for me. That's why I was pleased when I found SLS, because it installed itself for me and I was up and running. . Now that there all of these competing distributions out there now, I was curious what the difference between all of them are. The last time I checked the faq, it just mentioned that SLS was a little easier to install than the others of that time. Specifically, what are the perks offered by each of the distributions? -- Joe Emenaker - Sexual Engineer | Our infernal mailer daemon has been quite jemenake@oboe.calpoly.edu | insistent that my signature be limited to just ..or.. @bslab65.calpoly.edu | 4 lines. However, as you can see, I have ..or.. @cash.calpoly.edu | figured out an elegant way to put as many as ------------------------------ From: tevans%sunset.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Terry Evans) Subject: Re: Andrew Binaries are now on sunsite. Date: 16 Sep 93 12:11:12 MDT Adrian Emmanuel Thilo (s1047914@cse.unsw.edu.au) wrote: : Ok, so this explains the blocky fonts, howvever, I have not been able : to solve a problem I have been having with fonts which don't appear : in a blocky fashion. : The problem I have been having is that the font's overlay eachother : on the one line. It seems to be related to the app trying to fully : justify the text it wants to display. When I resize the window to : be almost a full screen (1024x768) it clears up this problem in many cases, : however, particularly in help, it doesn't clear up enough to make the : help readable. : Any hints? I've tried changing the BodyFont for help to things like : TimesRoman10 (or something) but this didn't help .. : Thanx in advance : Adrian I am having the exact same problem. Please cc me in the responeses to the above. Thanks, Terry tevans@cs.utah.edu ------------------------------ From: aml@world.std.com (Andrew M Langmead) Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING: The Linux Support Service Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 18:39:58 GMT alexei@mole.cis.ufl.edu (Alexei Rafael Rodriguez) writes: >Interesting that people who have access to the best online technical >support would have to *PAY* for the service. The Internet is THE SOURCE >for help. And in most cases you have responses in less than 24hours. There are some cases where linux support might be desired. I'm looking into converting some machines that I have at unmanned remote sites form running MS-DOS, DESQview and pcAnywhere, to a Unix based system. Linux seems like a great option. Price is right, modifications can be made to the system (I'm thinking of drivers being added or functionality that can be changed because all source is available), etc. But try to tell my boss that I'm basing my entire system on an unsupported platform. I know that the support that one can get from comp.os.linux.* is superior to many commercial developers, but not everyone is in a position to take that risk. -- ---- Andrew Langmead / aml@world.std.com / BIX a.langmead / CIS 72411,1560 ------------------------------ From: tdavis@cwis.unomaha.edu (Thomas A Davis) Subject: Re: Andrew Binaries are now on sunsite. Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 19:14:03 GMT tevans%sunset.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Terry Evans) writes: >Adrian Emmanuel Thilo (s1047914@cse.unsw.edu.au) wrote: >: The problem I have been having is that the font's overlay eachother >: on the one line. It seems to be related to the app trying to fully >: justify the text it wants to display. When I resize the window to >: be almost a full screen (1024x768) it clears up this problem in many cases, >: however, particularly in help, it doesn't clear up enough to make the >: help readable. >: Any hints? I've tried changing the BodyFont for help to things like You guys wouldn't happen to be running XS3 0.4.4? I found it has problems, where XFree86 1.3 doesn't have any problems. I have found other problems with XS3, including one where XView programs can cause a sig 11 to occur, bombing the server (this is linux 0.99.12, XFree86 1.3 libraries, XS3 0.4.4 server) (get ftptool, the lastest. It can bomb the server every time). I found the monochrome server under XFree86 1.3 works great with andrew. I don't have another machine with a color monitor, so I don't know about the color server.. TAD ------------------------------ From: urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development Subject: Re: BSD UNIX Date: 16 Sep 1993 16:07:55 +0200 In comp.os.linux.misc, article , hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick) writes: > > you're likely to have trouble. Someone said they were planning to > integrate the Berkeley net2, but I don't know whether that project is > really going anywhere. > That's me. There are some minor compatibility problems right now (basically, once you install the BSD stuff, programs compiled under it won't run on "normal" Linuxes) and interrupt latency is really horrible for some reason or another (somebody wanted to enhance the cli()/sti()/restore_flags() macros to find those problems), card support is still almost nonexistent, and there's a memory hole somewhere which shows up when using SLIP -- but the basic stuff works and is in production use on subnet.sub.net. > [ That stupid USL suit and similar woes ] If it weren't > for that, I'd say Linux would be better off just adopting BSD net2. > 100% agreement here. -- Matthias Urlichs -- urlichs@smurf.sub.org -- Phone: NONE; use email or lose. Schleiermacherstrasse 12 -- 90491 Nuernberg -- Germany || Linux+Mac Consulting ------------------------------ From: sundaram@cps.msu.edu (Divya Alok Sundaram) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development Subject: [RFI]: Scientific/Engineering Software on Linux Date: 16 Sep 1993 20:47:23 GMT Hi y'all, I am collecting a list of software packages that people have installed and used successfully under Linux/X. I am interested in hearing about installations and other tips that Linux-cummunity might want to know. I hope to consolidate this in the form of a "FAQ" ... Things in particular: Name of software (and what it does). Location and what files are needed .... Source available? How big is the source? The binaries? Does it have printed docs? How about Online Docs? Man pages? How much memory is required for it? Hints and tips when re-compiling, installing, configuring or using the package Idiosyncracies and bugs Comments I have not found a good source to go to when looking for software packages to perform given tasks ... for example, I started to look for a PD Neural Nets package and had to go rummaging through all sorts of stuff to find what I needed (after I looked through the nnet-FAQ). It would be helpful to have a list of packages that you could flip through to find what you needed relatively quickly by doing a name/subject search! Please mail Comments, suggestions, etc to me at sundaram@cps.msu.edu Thanks in advance Divya -- ======================================================================= C programmer + DSP + Control Systems = Segmentation Fault "C" how that works! ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development From: grzyrob@elof.acc.iit.edu (Rob Grzywinski) Subject: Will there be a port of Linux to the upcoming PowerPC? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 21:14:24 GMT With all of the work going into the development and porting of Linux will there be an effort to port over to the PowerPC (running on the MPC601 Motorola chip) when they are released? Thanks in advance Rob Grzywinski grzyrob@elof.acc.iit.edu ------------------------------ From: tevans%sunset.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Terry Evans) Subject: Re: Andrew Binaries are now on sunsite. Date: 16 Sep 93 17:17:05 MDT Thomas A Davis (tdavis@cwis.unomaha.edu) wrote: : tevans%sunset.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Terry Evans) writes: : >Adrian Emmanuel Thilo (s1047914@cse.unsw.edu.au) wrote: : >: The problem I have been having is that the font's overlay eachother : >: on the one line. It seems to be related to the app trying to fully : >: justify the text it wants to display. When I resize the window to : >: be almost a full screen (1024x768) it clears up this problem in many cases, : >: however, particularly in help, it doesn't clear up enough to make the : >: help readable. : >: Any hints? I've tried changing the BodyFont for help to things like : You guys wouldn't happen to be running XS3 0.4.4? I found it has problems, : where XFree86 1.3 doesn't have any problems. I have found other problems : with XS3, including one where XView programs can cause a sig 11 to occur, : bombing the server (this is linux 0.99.12, XFree86 1.3 libraries, XS3 0.4.4 : server) (get ftptool, the lastest. It can bomb the server every time). : I found the monochrome server under XFree86 1.3 works great with andrew. I : don't have another machine with a color monitor, so I don't know about : the color server.. Yup, I have XS3 0.4.4. So far the only things that I can't get to work correctly are Andrew and ObjectBuilder. Both appear to have the same problems with XS3. Terry tevans@cs.utah.edu ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: anthony@hydro.hsa.com.au (Anthony Woodward) Subject: SUMMARY: Vesa LocalBus SCSI controllers Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 22:58:27 GMT G'day, Recently I posted a question asking people what Vesa LocalBus SCSI controllers they were using with Linux. There was not a great deal of response, but the two that people are using are: Ultrastor 34F BusLogic BT445S In both cases, you need to change the IO port address from 330H to 334H. Someone made a mention of a new Adaptec 2742, but no dealers in Australia seemed to know what that was. (But, let's face it, most of 'em didn't know what VLB SCSI controllers were either). In the end, I bought the BusLogic, after trying a much cheaper alternative called the AR-TOP 9200. This is not only badly made and badly documented, but it appeared to give me constant read errors. The moral: when looking for performance hardware, don't get the cheapest. The BusLogic controller is nice. Linux recognises it as an Adaptec, and appears to be fairly quick, maybe 30-50% faster than my Maxtor IDE. I will test it more thoroughly with iozone when I have time. A word of warning. While there are some VLB cards which claim to work at 50Mhz, it seems the VESA committee will not guarantee VLB above 40MHz. You can guarantee that a cheapo motherboard like mine wasn't happy with a 486DX50 in it. So I had to `upgrade' to a 486DX2-66. The benchmarks indicate that this is a slower chip, but at least I get reliable VLB throughput. (try buying a 486DX2-66 chip sometime - ouch!) Also - It appears that SCSI-1 and SCSI-2 disks on the same board with Linux somehow manage to panick the kernel. Has anyone else had this problem? In summary, my system has now got the following setup: CPU: 486DX2-66 RAM: 16Mb MB : Opti-chipset Vesa LocalBus board (495-SLC) 256k Cache ( memory access is not as fast as my `Edge' MB but...) Disk : Maxtor 203Mb IDE : Quantam 1220S 1.0Gb SCSI-2 (no, this isn't mine, but I get to use it B^) Graphics: VLB 2themax Cirrus clgd5426 board (fast! mail me about it!) SW : SLS 1.03 (1.1 Gb) , DOS 5.0 (100 Mb and still too much B^) This appears to be a nice system for Linux. I think it's quite a bit faster than the SPARC-2's we have at work. Thanks to the following email-ers: Drew Hess (dhess@cs.stanford.edu) John R. Ackermann (john.ackermann@daytonOH.ncr.com) Sohail M. Parekh (sohail@rhonda.jsc.nasa.gov) Warner Losh (imp@boulder.parcplace.COM) Robert Moser (araw@elm.circa.ufl.edu) Weimin Zhao (wzhao@mcs.kent.edu) Mike Horwath (drechsau@jacobs.mn.org) Cheers, -- Graham Field |+612 957 3549 (w) Hydrographic Sciences Australia |+612 959 3594 (fax) email: graham@hsa.com.au ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************