From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 18:13:36 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #116 Linux-Misc Digest #116, Volume #1 Wed, 8 Sep 93 18:13:36 EDT Contents: Help! Seyon does not release modem Re: Support for Xircom parallel port ethernet adapters? (Byron A Jeff) Re: Wordprocessor under X, Andrew? iv? (Michael O'Reilly) Tcl7.0/Tk3.3 shared libraries (Paul E. Raines) Re: NT vs Linux vs My Daddy is Better Than Your Daddy (Garbett, Shawn) Re: NT versus Linux (Peter Mutsaers) Re: Has anyone ported Andrew?? (Gary Keim) Re: Linux and > 16MB (James Farrell) Re: NT vs Linux vs My Daddy is Better Than Your Daddy (Weimin Zhao) floppy: Unexpected interrupt. (Jaye Mathisen) Re: floppy: Unexpected interrupt. (Zack Evans) CAD system for linux (Allan Adler) Problem with Linx "Installation" and "NetGuide" docs... (David Wright) Re: Bootdisk made by SLS install hangs during boot (Thomas J Bilan) Cheap and Good Local Bus Video Card Under OS/2 and Linux (Jung S. Lee) Re: NT versus Linux (Todd Walk) Re: Problem with Linx "Installation" and "NetGuide" docs... (James A Robinson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help From: totake@ho10.eng.ua.edu () Subject: Help! Seyon does not release modem Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1993 16:29:08 GMT Hi everyone, I've run Sewyon successfulyy but when I exit it and at a later time try to run it again it says that it can't find the modem (/dev/cua2). I've checked the /usr/spool/uucp directory but nothing there. Could anyone help me? Please reply by e-mail since this site currently carries only comp.os.linux and no other linux news groups. Thanks, Tom -- =============================================================================== \ Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception / \ of bad news, which obeys its own special laws. / =============================================================================== \\\\\\\\ Thomas Otake ///////// \\\\ totake@buster.eng.ua.edu \\_// 72570.3031@compuserve.com //// =============================================================================== ------------------------------ From: byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) Subject: Re: Support for Xircom parallel port ethernet adapters? Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 16:42:24 GMT In article <26ktp3$c7t@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Tall Cool One wrote: >I just got a Xircom parallel port ethernet adapter. Is this device >currently being supported by linux? If not, will it be supported in >the near future?? I'm sorry but the answers are no and no. Xircom has refused to release the programming specs for their product. I'd advise that you return the Xircom product and get a D-Link adapter. The driver for the D-Link adapter is already in the kernel. Also if you do decide to return it, please tell them that you would have used their product if they released their programming specs. Maybe if enough folks do that then they'll change their minds. BAJ --- Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of... Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel! Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu ------------------------------ From: oreillym@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Michael O'Reilly) Subject: Re: Wordprocessor under X, Andrew? iv? Date: 8 Sep 1993 14:47:25 GMT Rafal Maszkowski (rzm@oden.oso.chalmers.se) wrote: : : Yup. Me. I am in the process of porting it. (It is re-compiling now. : : 35 megs of source, full compile uses > 140 megs of disk space. ekk!) : : The ez editor works, help works. In fact, everything except a program : : called 'sched' works. I have no idea what 'sched' does. :) : : let me know if you want binaries. I'll drop them on sunsite if there : Would it be possible to make a package with the editor only? The same : with iv. It has ONLY 10 MB (sunsite) and I would be glad if somebody : would strip everything except an editor from it (or would load small : README with any hints how to do it by myself). : I never seen ez od iv editors so I don't know which one I really would : like to use. Do they differ much from typical MS-DOS editors? Well, what I'm uploading now is a snapshot of my /usr/andrew directory. Uncompressed, it blows out to some 35 megs. Now, that includes all the atk apps, all the libraries, but static and dynamic, all the .ih and .eh files, all the AMS binaries, and all the help documentation. If you just want 'ez', you need the dlib/* files (all the .do files), and you probably want to keep the help files as well. Pretty much everything else can go... Michael. No: It's not on sunsite yet. I'm on the other end of 2400 baud.. :) ------------------------------ From: raines@cgibm1.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Paul E. Raines) Subject: Tcl7.0/Tk3.3 shared libraries Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 16:24:45 GMT Has anyone built shared libraries for the new Tcl7.0/Tk3.3 distribution? I am having problems running the mkimage program. I get a 'Undefined symbol(__jump.o): __main referenced from text segement' error. I thought this might be because for some reason tclMain.c is included in the library. However, after taking that out and starting over, I still get the same error. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Paul Raines raines@slac.stanford.edu 415-926-4378 Stanford Linear Accelerator End Station A ------------------------------ From: garbett@utkvx.utk.edu (Garbett, Shawn) Subject: Re: NT vs Linux vs My Daddy is Better Than Your Daddy Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 17:11:00 GMT In article , on.dowling@zib-berlin.de writes... >>>> On Sun, 29 Aug 93 01:35:29 MDT, rickie@trickie.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Richard Nash) said: > >Nash> Can we stop the child-like reactions? My Momma can beat your Momma up! > >Nash> The Linux crowd can only benefit from what NT has to offer. A smart >Nash> person looks at both the strengths and weaknesses of the competition >Nash> and works to improve themselves from this analysis. Yes we may all >Nash> secretly wish that Linux will spring up from out of the underground >Nash> taking the computer communities by storm causing them to throw away >Nash> and divorce MicroNT in droves! Don't hold your breath..... > > >I agree whole heartedly, but I have a very naive question nevertheless. > >Does Windows NT actually exist yet, or is it merely a figment of someone's >imagination? Is it perhaps merely a threat by Microsoft to produce something >sometime? > Yes it exists and the company I work for is a Beta test site and we have the actual release. Our PC users have a choice between NT and Windows for Workgroups and guess what most are choosing: Windows for Workgroups. >The world is raving about Windows NT, yet, here in Germany at least, I have yet >to see a supplier that actually sells it. In fact, I have yet to meet somebody >who knows somebody who knows sombody who has even seen the carton in which Our copies come in plain brown boxes. >Windows NT is sold. Microsoft was supposed to go public with Windows NT on the >4th of May this year; has it been delayed, or has it been a total flop? I have >just spent 6 weeks in the United States of America, but, although I admit that >I did not make a great deal of effort looking, I still did not even see an >advertisement for Windows NT! I didn't say anything about the company I work for, you never heard a word. Everything I said was just figments of my imagniation. I wonder if that will allow it to pass our legal dept. Shawn Garbett ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy From: muts@compi.hobby.nl (Peter Mutsaers) Subject: Re: NT versus Linux Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 20:15:12 GMT >> On 6 Sep 1993 16:42:29 GMT, walk@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Walk) >> said: TW> The 8088 was chosen over the 68000 for several reasons, TW> primarily because the 68000 was new and the 8088 was out for a TW> while, but also because of the 8088's 8-bit data path (cheaper), TW> the 8088 was cheaper itself, the PC designers had already worked TW> with the 8088 and related chips before, and IBM was lead to TW> belive from Intel that they were going to bring out another chip TW> (upwardly compatable) to replace the 8088 (not the '286 yet, TW> this Intel chip never did live up to expectations and was TW> stillborn). Wrong, the reason is that Motorola couldn't/wouldn't deliver enough 68000's and didn't think much of IBM's PC project. By the way your 8-bit argument doesn't hold because the first PC had a 8086, 16 bit; later a cheaper version was made with the 8088. And Motorola also had an 8-bit version of the 68000, the 68008, which was used in the Sinclair QL. -- _______________________________________________________________ Peter Mutsaers, Bunnik (Ut), the Netherlands. ------------------------------ From: Gary Keim Subject: Re: Has anyone ported Andrew?? Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:04:17 -0400 Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 1-Sep-93 Re: Has anyone ported Andrew?? Kevin Fluet@valis.ampr.a (548) > I have heard 'Andrew' mentioned a few times before, but am confused as to > what it is, exactly. Is it a GUI word processor, or a whole GUI user > environment? What does it include? Here is a portion of our current release announcement: Andrew Toolkit Release 5.1 The Andrew Toolkit Consortium of Carnegie Mellon University's School of Computer Science is pleased to announce the release of new versions of the Andrew User Environment, Andrew Toolkit, and Andrew Message System. The Andrew User Environment (AUE) is an integrated set of applications beginning with a 'generic object' editor, ez, a help system, a system monitoring tool (console), an editor-based shell interface (typescript), and support for printing multi-media documents. The Andrew Toolkit (ATK) is a portable user-interface toolkit that runs under X11. It provides a dynamically-loadable object-oriented environment wherein objects can be embedded in one-another. Thus, one could edit text that, in addition to containing multiple fonts, contains embedded raster images, spreadsheets, drawing editors, equations, simple animations, etc. These embedded objects could themselves contain other objects, including text. With the toolkit, programmers can create new objects that can be embedded as easily as those that come with the system. The Andrew Message System (AMS) provides a multi-media interface to mail and bulletin-boards. AMS supports several mail management strategies and implements many advanced features including authentication, return receipts, automatic sorting of mail, vote collection and tabulation, enclosures, audit trails of related messages, and subscription management. It also provides a variety of interfaces that support ttys and low-function personal computers in addition to the high-function workstations. Release 5.1 of Andrew contains many bug fixes, updates and improvements in both code and documentation. Release 5.1 also contains a variety of new facilities, including support for the new Internet MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) standards for multipart, multimedia mail. Remote Andrew Demo Service This network service allows you to run Andrew Toolkit applications without the overhead of obtaining or compiling the Andrew software. You need a host machine on the Internet, and you need to be running the X11 window system. A simple "finger" command will allow you to experience ATK applications firsthand. You'll be able to compose multimedia documents, navigate through the interactive Andrew Tour, and use the Andrew Message System to browse through CMU's three thousand bulletin boards and newsgroups. To use the Remote Andrew Demo service, simply run the following command on your machine: finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu The service will give you further instructions. ------------------------------ From: jwf@esu.edu (James Farrell) Subject: Re: Linux and > 16MB Date: 8 Sep 93 16:33:29 GMT Is the 16 meg limit stil a problem with EISA machines? I heard somewhere that the 16M problem was more or less an effect of the ISA buss, and that EISA bus machines have fixed this. Is there truth in this? -Jim jwf@esu.edu ------------------------------ From: wzhao@mcs.kent.edu (Weimin Zhao) Subject: Re: NT vs Linux vs My Daddy is Better Than Your Daddy Date: 8 Sep 1993 18:30:36 GMT In article on.dowling@zib-berlin.de writes: >Does Windows NT actually exist yet, or is it merely a figment of someone's >imagination? Is it perhaps merely a threat by Microsoft to produce something >sometime? > >...... I have >just spent 6 weeks in the United States of America, but, although I admit that >I did not make a great deal of effort looking, I still did not even see an >advertisement for Windows NT! > > NT is here! My campus bookstore ordered 4 copies. I was "lucky" enough to get the last one for $149 (before educational discount). It has 22 3-1/2" diskettes and a seperate CD-ROM and requires at least 75 MB HD space to install. After loaded on my 8 MB Ram (with 20 MB RAM) 486-66 machine, I was greatly disappointed. User login takes 37 seconds while logout takes 17 seconds! Fortunately, I'm only using it to play games. 75 MB of OS without much applications! ------------------------------ From: osyjm@cs.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen) Subject: floppy: Unexpected interrupt. Date: 8 Sep 1993 19:45:41 GMT OK, go easy on me guys, I'm a BSD person new to the world of Linux. DEC notebook PC, 486-25 SLC, color, 4MB's, 80MB partition for Linux. I installed Slackware 1.0.2. Went fine. Piece of cake. Works fine. Snarfed up the new q1 disk with the alpha 0.99.13a (or whatever the numbering scheme is these days), built a kernel, but now, about every 30 seconds I get 'Floppy: unexpected interrupt' on which ever console I'm working on. I didn't get it in the 0.99.12 release, and when I went back to it, it worked fine. Anybody know what changed in 12->13 that might cause the problem? Any help appreciated. BTW, congrats on a smooth install procedure, and the fact that the Linux boot disks from Slackware are the only ones that will boot my notebook when running off the batter in non-turbo-mode. Hell, suspend mode works too. Kudos on a fine job. Us BSD people need to take lessons. -- Jaye Mathisen, COE Systems Manager (406) 994-4780 410 Roberts Hall,Dept. of Computer Science Montana State University,Bozeman MT 59717 osyjm@cs.montana.edu ------------------------------ From: zevans@nyx.cs.du.edu (Zack Evans) Subject: Re: floppy: Unexpected interrupt. Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 20:08:56 GMT In article <26lcp5$kum@pdq.coe.montana.edu>, Jaye Mathisen wrote: >scheme is these days), built a kernel, but now, about every 30 seconds I >get 'Floppy: unexpected interrupt' on which ever console I'm working on. > >I didn't get it in the 0.99.12 release, and when I went back to it, it >worked fine. Anybody know what changed in 12->13 that might cause the >problem? You didn't happen to have a write protected floppy in the drive did you? If you did, and the drive was mounted r/w, everytime update tried to sync the disks Linux would have complained about not being able to write to it. Just a guess. Zack -- Zack Evans pyc081@cent1.lancs.ac.uk or zevans@nyx.cs.du.edu UNIX was not designed to stop its users from doing stupid things, as that would also stop them from doing clever things. ------------------------------ From: ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Allan Adler) Crossposted-To: comp.lsi.cad Subject: CAD system for linux Date: 8 Sep 93 15:41:33 I recently installed LINUX on my PC and I am now interested in installing a complete CAD system for chip design and electronics on it. Can someone please advise me on what I should get that is known to run under LINUX and which is free? Allan Adler ara@altdorf.ai.mit.edu ------------------------------ From: dmw@prism1.prism1.com (David Wright) Subject: Problem with Linx "Installation" and "NetGuide" docs... Date: 8 Sep 93 13:44:24 GMT =====BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE===== Many thanks for the excellent Linux manuals. But I have one request: Would it be possible to PLEASE split these up into seperate PS doccuments for a group of pages (say every 10)? My PostScript printer has limited memory (I think it has 1mb, but as it is really a RISC card inside a slaved PC, I can't be sure), and both of the documents are WAY too big for me to print out. It's not the LENGTH of the documents that is a problem, but rather they seem to be layed out as one contiguous hunk of PS code which my system is (I assume) barfing on when the memory overflows. They basically get copied out to the printer, but nothing ever comes out. The only way I have been able to do anything with them so far has been to (don't laugh) use GhostScript to convert them to FAX format and then fax them from my FAX card to my real FAX machine (the Installation manual is 6mb after conversion, haven't tried the Net Guide yet). Or is there a way I can use GhostScript to interpret them and then spit out NEW PostScript code that only covered a few pages? Dave =====BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE===== Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLI4nyW++A+T9du0zAQEe3wQAx9tzQyeoUaazJWH6gBFJ/3lBgncD45Lj uOOI0CWHNCyps/OUDH9zs1jiEc2mSBQ5yeBRMI+P0mX9IdSeEZIwyRKE5mO2CCZ7 0153nzXKvl91ndWBgr5j7sN5HsHsQZyhUO1aHAA9/yZHJrrl8PqDQ1YSOVdfOUFt 0snVjH7/2TY= =NLPO =====END PGP SIGNATURE===== -- ____________________________________________________________________________ | /\ / | Prism Computer Applications | David Wright | | -/--\-- | 14650 Detroit Ave, Suite LL40 | dmw@Prism1.COM | | /____\ | Lakewood, OH 44107 USA | 216-228-1400 | ------------------------------ From: bilan@indian.uucp (Thomas J Bilan) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin Subject: Re: Bootdisk made by SLS install hangs during boot Date: 8 Sep 1993 21:11:30 GMT In article <26k71pINN5qf@wiesel.mch.sni.de> Wolfgang.Roth@graphics.ap.mchp.sni.de writes: > >In article cornell@syl.dl.nec.com writes: >>SLS version: 1.03 >>Machine1: NEC Powermate 386 >>Machine2: Amax PC/386 >> >>I've installed the SLS v.1.03 release on three machines. The two >>listed above had the same trouble after installing, making a >>bootdisk, and trying to boot from that bootdisk. > >I have the same problems on 3 machines (2*486 and 1*386) when I >tried to boot from the original 3,5" bootdisk in driva A. The >loading stops after the message "Detecting soundcard: AdLib >(type 3)". I have no soundcards installed. > > >--- Wolfgang Roth > I had that original problem and I disappeared when I removed my NE2000 ethernet card. I think my problem was that it was trying to autoconfig for a WD ethernet card and that conflicted with my setting on the ethernet card. Than again, if you don't have an ethernet card then I guess that can't be it. Tom Bilan -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ $ Department of Death by Engineering ^ Surgeon General's Warning: $ $ Michigan State University ^ Graduate School may cause brain $ $ bilan@cps.msu.edu ^ damage and sporadic loss of hair $ ------------------------------ From: junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.os2.misc Subject: Cheap and Good Local Bus Video Card Under OS/2 and Linux Date: 8 Sep 93 21:04:12 GMT Hi, I don't know if this question is faq....... I am looking for a cheap and good local bus video card for OS/2 and Linux. I have NEC Multisync 2A. Thank you in advance. Jung ------------------------------ From: walk@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Walk) Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: NT versus Linux Date: 8 Sep 1993 21:51:43 GMT muts@compi.hobby.nl (Peter Mutsaers) writes: >>> On 6 Sep 1993 16:42:29 GMT, walk@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Walk) >>> said: > TW> The 8088 was chosen over the 68000 for several reasons, > TW> primarily because the 68000 was new and the 8088 was out for a > TW> while, but also because of the 8088's 8-bit data path (cheaper), > TW> the 8088 was cheaper itself, the PC designers had already worked > TW> with the 8088 and related chips before, and IBM was lead to > TW> belive from Intel that they were going to bring out another chip > TW> (upwardly compatable) to replace the 8088 (not the '286 yet, > TW> this Intel chip never did live up to expectations and was > TW> stillborn). >Wrong, the reason is that Motorola couldn't/wouldn't deliver enough >68000's and didn't think much of IBM's PC project. By the way your >8-bit argument doesn't hold because the first PC had a 8086, 16 bit; >later a cheaper version was made with the 8088. And Motorola also had >an 8-bit version of the 68000, the 68008, which was used in the >Sinclair QL. >-- Whether Motorola could deliver enough 68Ks or not is immaterial, IBM had other reasons for selecting the 8088 (the best reason for it over the 68K was the 8-bit data path). I know that the 8086 was first, but the 8088 was also out then and IBM used it because of the 8-bit data path (the chip actually wasn't much cheaper than the 8086, but 8-bit support circuitry was significantly cheaper than 16-bit support at that time). The only computers in which IBM used the 8086 (PCs) were the PS/2 models 25 and 30. Todd Walk walk@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu ------------------------------ From: jimr@world.std.com (James A Robinson) Subject: Re: Problem with Linx "Installation" and "NetGuide" docs... Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 21:53:47 GMT dmw@prism1.prism1.com (David Wright) writes: >(I think it has 1mb, but as it is really a RISC card inside a slaved PC, >I can't be sure), and both of the documents are WAY too big for me to print >out. It's not the LENGTH of the documents that is a problem, but rather they >seem to be layed out as one contiguous hunk of PS code which my system is >(I assume) barfing on when the memory overflows. They basically get copied out >to the printer, but nothing ever comes out. Well, if you can get ahold of a dvips installation grab the dvi file and convert the {nag,sag,gs}.dvi file a bit at a time to .ps. You would do a % dvips -p =1 -l =10 -o first.ten.of.document.ps document.dvi % dvips -p =11 -l=21 -o second.ten.of.document.ps document.dvi etc, etc, etc... 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