From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 23:13:13 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #106 Linux-Misc Digest #106, Volume #1 Tue, 7 Sep 93 23:13:13 EDT Contents: Re: NT versus Linux (Joseph Coughlan) Re: Linux and > 16MB (Mark Lord) Re: NT versus Linux (Brandon S. Allbery) Re: NT versus Linux (Brandon S. Allbery) POLL RESULTS, PART 0/7 (Matthew Dillon) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy From: josco@gaia.arc.nasa.gov (Joseph Coughlan) Subject: Re: NT versus Linux Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 20:24:57 GMT In article <1993Sep7.161524.10856@kf8nh.wariat.org> bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes: >In article <26gtu2$bem@clarknet.clark.net> phil@clarknet.clark.net (Phil Anglin) writes: >>In article <1993Sep6.152653.5040@kf8nh.wariat.org> bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes: >>>Err, IBM went with the 8088 because Motorola *wasn't* delivering the 68000 >>>when IBM wanted it. Check your history. >> >>When *did* IBM want it? According to some Motorola books >>I was browsing through, the 68000 was introduced in '79. > >Motorola released specs (including assembly language manuals, etc., which >ultimately *were* accurate) for the 68000 in '76 --- but *shipped* it in late >'79. > >The IBM PC was shipped in '79 as well. But there *is* lead time involved in >designing a computer; they'd have needed 68000s available in '78 at the latest >in order to build (and more importantly, ship) a machine based on it. > >++Brandon >-- Didn't IBM own 20% of iNTEL. Intel was getting beat by Zilog's z'80 cpu. and was not the power house we know of today. IBM bought intel and asked for a 8-bit version of the 8086, the 8088. intel delivered. joseph coughlan ------------------------------ From: mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord) Subject: Re: Linux and > 16MB Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 16:02:22 GMT In article <26hqv2INNrl5@fstgds15.tu-graz.ac.at> zloebl@piis10.joanneum.ac.at writes: > >Is there a way ti use > 16MB ram with an ISA bus? Yes and no. The memory must reside on the motherboard, since the ISA bus has only 24 address bits. Other than that, no problem (slowness?). >if not, is there a way to use memory > 16MB for some >structures which don't need to be dma'd (i think dma is the main problem >for mem > 16 MB) The DMA seems to only be a problem with SCSI, since IDE/MFM/RLL drives and controllers don't universally support DMA. The linux SCSI drivers are already clever enough to work around the DMA problem, so all you might notice is some slowness. -- mlord@bnr.ca Mark Lord BNR Ottawa,Canada 613-763-7482 ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) Subject: Re: NT versus Linux Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 21:51:44 GMT In article <26imvf$qkh@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> walk@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Walk) writes: >bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes: > >>The IBM PC was shipped in '79 as well. But there *is* lead time involved in >>designing a computer; they'd have needed 68000s available in '78 at the latest >>in order to build (and more importantly, ship) a machine based on it. > >I thought that it was shipped in '81. Pretty sure I saw one live in '79. I could be misremembering, though. ++Brandon -- Brandon S. Allbery kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org "MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years of careful development." ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) Subject: Re: NT versus Linux Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 00:32:28 GMT In article <1993Sep7.202457.23511@news.arc.nasa.gov> josco@gaia.arc.nasa.gov (Joseph Coughlan) writes: >In article <1993Sep7.161524.10856@kf8nh.wariat.org> bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes: >>In article <26gtu2$bem@clarknet.clark.net> phil@clarknet.clark.net (Phil Anglin) writes: >>>In article <1993Sep6.152653.5040@kf8nh.wariat.org> bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes: >>>>Err, IBM went with the 8088 because Motorola *wasn't* delivering the 68000 >>>>when IBM wanted it. Check your history. >>> >>>When *did* IBM want it? According to some Motorola books >>>I was browsing through, the 68000 was introduced in '79. >> >>Motorola released specs (including assembly language manuals, etc., which >>ultimately *were* accurate) for the 68000 in '76 --- but *shipped* it in late >>'79. > >Didn't IBM own 20% of iNTEL. Intel was getting beat by Zilog's z'80 >cpu. and was not the power house we know of today. IBM bought intel >and asked for a 8-bit version of the 8086, the 8088. intel delivered. Yes --- but *after* Motorola told them they couldn't deliver. In a sense, the current arrangement with Motorola producing PowerPC chips for IBM is Motorola (not to mention IBM) making up for Motorola's missing IBM's deadline for the PC and thereby in effect forcing IBM to go with Intel... and thereby forcing the bletcherous PC on *us*. (Now if only it'd force Intel out of the market....) ++Brandon -- Brandon S. Allbery kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org "MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years of careful development." ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca ------------------------------ From: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin Subject: POLL RESULTS, PART 0/7 Date: 7 Sep 1993 18:42:23 -0700 POLL RESULTS Well, for my first major poll I think I did pretty good. There were approximately 213 respondants, we got lots of good stuff! There were a number of problems in the poll... answers not on lines containing "->" could not be handled. There were two exceptions: question: questions 1F and 1D. Answers placed next to the question rather then to the right of the -> WERE handled. Next time I will try to make it clear that you MUST answer to the right of the "->" fields. My statistics program doesn't care about other garbage to the left of the "->", but it needs the "->" to determine where the answer begins. People who removed or shortened the first line of the question... about 5 people, I think... sorry. I forgot to ask for serial and mouse info... maybe next time! (like in 6 months to a year, or somebody else can poll for that info). In 1F I made the mistake of sayiung 'EISA or ISA computer? (if not an intel 486)'. 486 machines CAN have ISA busses. Fortunately, most people with that sort of setup typed in ISA anyway for that question. Also, some people put in long answers for questions expecting short answers... those stats will get chopped off a bit in the generated tables, sorry. THE POLL RESULTS ARE POSTED IN THE MAIN LINUX GROUPS AND ARE ALSO AVAILABLE VIA ANONYMOUS FTP. THE ORIGINAL MAIL MINUS THE HEADERS IS ALSO AVAILABLE VIA ANONYMOUS FTP: ftp idiom.berkeley.ca.us cd pub/linux/poll ls mget * ... whatever -Matt PART 0 - header / comments PART 1 - BASE HARDWARE PART 2 - BARE HARDDRIVES PART 3 - HD CONTROLLER PART 4 - HD/CONTROLLER SPEED PART 5 - VIDEO HARDWARE PART 6 - VIDEO MONITORS PART 7 - ETHERNET CONTROLLERS 213 mail messages Question 1 A:212 B:180 C:197 D:213 E:202 F:174 G:211 H:211 I:182 J:165 Question 2 A:191 B:176 C:171 Question 3 A:191 B:166 C:176 D:167 E:138 Question 4 A:134 B:159 Question 5 A:199 B:176 C:190 D:190 E:198 F:192 G:185 H:163 Question 6 A:184 B:171 C:180 D:68 E:142 Question 7 A:92 B:59 C:67 D:55 E:26 232 people answered question 0 0A. Joe end user with little technical knowledge: 0 0.00% 0B. Joe end user with some application knowledge: 2 0.86% 0C. End user, able to install boards : 3 1.29% 0D. Power PC user, little UNIX knowledge : 11 4.74% 0E. UNIX user : 56 24.13% 0F. expert UNIX user : 15 6.46% 0G. expert UNIX user + system manag. abilities : 70 30.17% 0H. power expert UNIX user, knows most things : 49 21.12% 0I. UNIX guru : 24 10.34% 0J. UNIX god : 2 0.86% Matthew Dillon dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com 1005 Apollo Way dillon@overload.berkeley.ca.us Incline Village, NV. 89451 ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop) USA Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000 [always include a portion of the original email in any response!] ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************