From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Mon, 16 Aug 93 23:41:49 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #10 Linux-Misc Digest #10, Volume #1 Mon, 16 Aug 93 23:41:49 EDT Contents: SONIC based enet cards? (Paul Fox) Re: Ctrl-Alt-Del with SLS 1.03 (Dale Gass) Re: [Q] Are WD IDE drives OK? (Jim Haynes) Re: INFO-SHEET and META-FAQ: updated and whither? (Michael K. Johnson) Re: term and txconn (Simon J Ferrett) mouse problem on mcc distribution (Sehyo Chang) Re: Linux Satellites (Cheapest Linux Hardware Configuration) (Eric J. Schwertfeger) Re: term and txconn (Simon J Ferrett) Re: term and txconn (Michael O'Reilly) Re: SLACKWARE 1.01 Problems (& some fixes) (Udo Sprute) Re: interesting proposition (Julien Boissinot) Re: Is this becoming comp.linux.advocacy? (Keith Smith) Does bootlin 1.4 actually exist? (Tom Lane) Re: Why would I want LINUX? (Greg Earle) Re: The Daily Posting - what to do with it ? (John Henders) Cheap Enthernet cards, needs help :) (Anders Majland) Re: INN1.4 under Linux - WOW !!!!!! (Andrew J. Cosgriff) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pgf@cayman.com (Paul Fox) Subject: SONIC based enet cards? Date: 16 Aug 1993 20:30:46 GMT I got the following list from the NET2 FAQ -- can someone tell me which if any of these cards are based on the National SONIC controller? My unstated goal, aside from getting a working/supported enet card, is to be able to use the hardware "watchdog" timer. I need some high resolution timings, and the SONIC has a free-running 5Mhz countdown timer that's pretty easy to use. (I assume the drivers don't otherwise use this timer -- right?) 3com 3c503, 3c503/16 Novell NE1000, NE2000 Western Digital WD8003, WD8013 Hewlett Packard HP27245, HP27247, HP27250 (these drivers could do with more testing) The following clones are reported to work: WD-80x3 clones: LANNET LEC-45 NE2000 clones: Alta Combo, Artisoft LANtastic AE-2, Asante Etherpak 2001/2003, D-Link Ethernet II, LTC E-NET/16 P/N 8300-200-002, Network Solutions HE-203, SVEC 4 Dimension Ethernet, 4-Dimension FD0490 EtherBoard 16. paul -- paul fox home: pgf@foxharp.boston.ma.us (Arlington, MA) work: pgf@cayman.com (Cayman Systems, Inc., Cambridge, MA) "A day without laughter is a day wasted" -- Charlie Chaplin ------------------------------ From: dale@mkseast.uucp (Dale Gass) Subject: Re: Ctrl-Alt-Del with SLS 1.03 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 14:01:23 GMT ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes: > Use the numeric keyboard delete for ctrl-alt-del. Anyone know when ctrl-alt-del is scheduled to be fixed to work with either delete in the new >releases? The kernel's not broken, "init" is. The "powerfail" on the last line should be changed to "ctrlaltdel". "strings init" revealed this... -dale -- Dale Gass, Mortice Kern Systems, Atlantic Canada Branch Business: dale@east.mks.com, Pleasure: dale@mkseast.uucp|dale@mkseast.alt.ns.ca ------------------------------ From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes) Subject: Re: [Q] Are WD IDE drives OK? Date: 16 Aug 1993 23:54:28 GMT I've only had it for a couple of months, but I bought the WD Caviar 200-some-odd meg drive because it came with a 2 year warranty and didn't cost any more than the alternatives with 1-year warranty. -- haynes@cats.ucsc.edu haynes@cats.bitnet "Ya can talk all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!" "No it aint! But ya gotta know the territory!" Meredith Willson: "The Music Man" ------------------------------ From: johnsonm@calypso.oit.unc.edu (Michael K. Johnson) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux Subject: Re: INFO-SHEET and META-FAQ: updated and whither? Date: 16 Aug 1993 23:56:50 GMT I wrote: As comp.os.linux is going away, I will soon not be posting either of these to comp.os.linux. I think that I will simply not post there, and post only to comp.os.linux.announce, comp.answers, and news.answers. Are there any people with strenuous and reasonably objections to this plan? Speak now or forever hold you peace! Apparantly, I need to be more clear. I will keep posting my periodic postings to comp.os.linux.announce, as well as comp.answers and news.answers. I will not keep posting to comp.os.linux, but thanks to many answers and reasons I *will* start posting the INFO-SHEET and META-FAQ to comp.os.linux.help. I hope this is satisfactory to all. michaelkjohnson ------------------------------ From: c9108932@peach.newcastle.edu.au (Simon J Ferrett) Subject: Re: term and txconn Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 23:46:17 GMT philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown) writes: >I have gotten only a few replies, and most of them were way off the bat. >Let me be clearer. >I run term. >I connect My home machine via modem to my school machine. >I would like to run an X program on my HOME machine, to display on a >machine that is not my school machine. >Any suggestions? heres how I do it... on linux: tredir 600x other.machine.name:6000 export DISPLAY=linuxname:x.0 ( x=1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 ) on othermachine: xhost + school.machine.name then from the linux box things like: xterm & work fine (if not a little slow) the machine that is to display the xclients must have xhost + to the machine that is running the term server (ie: where your home machine connects to) hope this helps... -- Simon Ferrett - c9108932@cs.newcastle.edu.au ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.linux.help From: sehyo@netcom.com (Sehyo Chang) Subject: mouse problem on mcc distribution Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 00:10:43 GMT I just installed Xfree386 on my Versa which has mouse port. I can't seem a way to find X386 to use mouse port. I don't see '/dev/mouse' or anythinging like that. I am using MCC 1.3 distribution (Is this mean I have to go back to SLS, ugh.....). Extreamly frustrated.... P.S: Does anyone has VGA Color driver for Versa UltraLite Laptop? ------------------------------ From: maniac@unlv.edu (Eric J. Schwertfeger) Subject: Re: Linux Satellites (Cheapest Linux Hardware Configuration) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 93 01:07:13 GMT In article <24ja52$nmc@indigo.imp.ch> ilg@imp.ch (Philippe Steindl) writes: >Hello, > >sounds alright, but don't forget that these cheapo ethernet cards are >TwistedPair and not Thinwire (am I wrong?). Twistedpair needs a central >unit collecting all the client wires .. and these units are expensive. Actually, ThinWire NICs run about $5-$20 less than 10BaseT, depending on the manufacturer. Though you are right about the hubs, 8 port hubs usually go for $200 wholesale, and that is an econo-hub. -- Eric J. Schwertfeger, maniac@cs.unlv.edu ------------------------------ From: c9108932@peach.newcastle.edu.au (Simon J Ferrett) Subject: Re: term and txconn Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 02:13:39 GMT cfs@mathcs.emory.edu (Charles Stephens (guest - exp 9/1/93)) writes: >Philip Brown (philb@cats.ucsc.edu) wrote: >: I have gotten only a few replies, and most of them were way off the bat. >: Let me be clearer. >: I run term. >: I connect My home machine via modem to my school machine. >: I would like to run an X program on my HOME machine, to display on a >: machine that is not my school machine. >I have a few... >First, have a really, really fast modem (V.32 is slooow, V.32bis better, >ISDN: Why use term?!?!). Umm - perhaps there is no alternative? Not everyone has access to SL/IP or whatever... -- Simon Ferrett - c9108932@cs.newcastle.edu.au Hidcote bartram (n.): To be caught in a hidcote bartram is to say a series of protracted and final goodbyes to a group of people, leave the house and then realise you've left your ------------------------------ From: oreillym@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Michael O'Reilly) Subject: Re: term and txconn Date: 17 Aug 1993 02:56:23 GMT Philip Brown (philb@cats.ucsc.edu) wrote: : I have gotten only a few replies, and most of them were way off the bat. : Let me be clearer. : I run term. : I connect My home machine via modem to my school machine. : I would like to run an X program on my HOME machine, to display on a : machine that is not my school machine. : Any suggestions? On your HOME machine, 'tredir 6009 your.school.machine:6000' On your HOME machine, 'export DISPLAY=`hostname`:9' Notes: Your.school.machine is your X server, which may or may not be the machine you are logged into. You may need to copy your .Xauthority file to your home machine if you are useing that. You may need to do xhosts +machine.term.is.running.on if you are useing xhosts. Normal disclaimers apply. No refund under any circumstances. Warrenty void if opened. Michael. ------------------------------ From: sprute@hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (Udo Sprute) Subject: Re: SLACKWARE 1.01 Problems (& some fixes) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 02:58:52 GMT In article <...> mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord) writes: > > I just installed the SLACKWARE 1.01 release (current as of Aug.11/93) > and it seems very solid. Thanks to whoever pieces this together! > > For the record, here are some corrections needed > to the SLACKWARE distribution: > > [...] > > 2. The xboard binary is missing, though the manpage is present. Xboard-2.1 has been very difficult to compile under Linux. I think that's the reason why it is missing. Xboard-3.0 will be published during the next days. It can be compiled for Linux without any problem. So, whoever out there is going to update the SLS or Slackware package: please add xboard-3.0. Best regards, Udo (sprute@Post.Uni-Bielefeld.DE) ------------------------------ From: jb@spia.frmug.fr.net (Julien Boissinot) Subject: Re: interesting proposition Date: 16 Aug 1993 22:31:27 GMT Reply-To: boissinot@univ-tours.fr Craig I. Hagan (hagan@opine) wrote: : we currently have a software map, hows about a users map? : organize it by geographic area, then you can find interested : people nearby. It's a very good idea! I don't think a single person can achieve such a work, I hope we can find enough volunteers to make it possible.. anyway I'll be happy to maintain the French list ! -- Julien Boissinot | 31 allee du Bois, 37390 La Membrolle/Choisille, FRANCE | Voice: +33 47410590 Data: +33 47425625 | E-Mail: boissinot@univ-tours.fr | (jb@spia.frmug.fr.net) ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.unix.misc From: keith@ksmith.com (Keith Smith) Subject: Re: Is this becoming comp.linux.advocacy? Date: Mon, 16 Aug 93 14:32:14 GMT In article <24gj67$9vu@uptek88.up.edu> steve@up.edu (Steve Ward) writes: >In article <1993Aug13.034617.24451@ksmith.com>, >Keith Smith wrote: >>Hehehehe. 4 or 5 Merge sessions on a single PC say a 486/66 huh. No >>problem as long as noone is _doing_ anything. > >It's bound to be better than SoftPC in a similar situation...at least >the software doesn't have to emulate each opcode. Granted, a 486/66 is >not as fast as a 40MHz Sparc, but for now it will have to do. Dunno, don't have a sparc but ... > >Our testing seems to indicate that RAM is the issue here. If you can >keep the merge sessions out of swap they do OK. Putting enough RAM in >the machine and keeping the amount allocated to each session under control >(we're looking at 4-6MB, plenty for the average Windows app) will hopefully >make it workable. I'll know for sure soon enough... RAM is only an issue if you don't have enough. If you don't have enough it is an issue with or without merge. u386mon tells me that with 32M of RAM and about a 6-8M kernel space I generally run about 65% of available RAM. With 3 Merge sessions running, a 486/66 begins to get VERY unresponsive, and u386mon reports ... gee about 75% RAM usage. (Everything else being equal). Uptime and SAR on the otherhand show 3.XX+ load and 0% available CPU the WHOLE TIME the sessions are active. > >It's interesting that while few folks bat an eyelash at putting 64MB in >a "workstation" many people seem to expect PC *NIX systems to run OK in >as little as 4MB. Our UnixWare servers will be starting out with 48MB, and >we hope to expand them to 64MB or 128MB once RAM prices settle back down. 48MB is a waste if you don't need it. I'd start with 16MB and something like u386mon or sar and see if you even swap. 32MB is a LOT of RAM for a system being used as a fileserver. With 64 ports and about 40+ interactive terminals I've never swapped on this 486/66 SCO box. EVER. and it only has 32MB with everyone running all sorts of different stuff. If you have a load big enough to demand more than 32MB of RAM I think you will need a little more CPU and disk performance, before the memory. -- Keith Smith keith@ksmith.com 5719 Archer Rd. Digital Designs BBS 1-919-423-4216 Hope Mills, NC 28348-2201 Somewhere in the Styx of North Carolina ... ------------------------------ From: tgl@netcom.com (Tom Lane) Subject: Does bootlin 1.4 actually exist? Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 22:40:14 GMT The file 'bootlin4.zip' at tsx-11.mit.edu actually seems to contain bootlin 1.3. But its documentation claims that bootlin 1.4 will be able to boot Linux from a DOS command line (ie, you can boot up DOS and *then* start Linux). For my purposes this would be better than using LILO ... I've verified that 1.3 does *not* work this way :-(, it just hangs unless started from the config.sys file. Is 1.4 actually out there, and if so where? thanks, tom lane ------------------------------ From: earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US (Greg Earle) Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc Subject: Re: Why would I want LINUX? Date: 15 Aug 1993 13:44:25 -0700 In article <24gnu4$skm@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, Olaf Titz wrote: [ Someone else who uses DOS asks why one would want Linux] >A couple of good reasons: >... >7. I am neither able nor willing to spend big bucks on software when I >can get good material for less. :-) Especially not since Linux is >actually the best OS you can get for the 386 class of hardware, if you >consider things like speed, memory usage, availability of software, >even support (from friendly net.people etc.) Uh, do you have empirical proof of this? (-: On the other hand, perhaps you have a point. Back in the early days of Linux and 386BSD, it seemed (to an outsider; I use a Sun clone and SunOS all the time) like Linux was an interesting research project (no offense intended to Linus; when a single person writes a whole O/S kernel, one can't help but have an initial impression of it being an "interesting research project" (-: - of course, it has mushroomed considerably since then). And it seemed like 386BSD was the spirit of BSD & Net-2 reincarnated, and therefore more likely (just due to that fact alone, with the inherent right-off-the-bat software compatibility issues that this promised) to become more largely adopted. The fact that it had the Net-2 networking code and Linux' early support for networking and thus X were considered suspect no doubt fueled this perception. Now it seems like (emphasis on "seems like") 386BSD and NetBSD have dissolved in a hail of acrimony, including bickering with the Jolitz's, a (hostile?) takeover of the software that smacks of "Hey! That was a great idea! Glad I thought of it!" Meanwhile, there's the fact that there are more than 7 times the number of postings to the Linux groups than to the 386BSD/NetBSD groups: isolar:2:40 % ls -R1 /var/spool/news/comp/os/386bsd | egrep '^[1-9]' | wc -l 226 isolar:2:41 % ls -R1 /var/spool/news/comp/os/linux | egrep '^[1-9]' | wc -l 1593 So, at least, it would appear that Linux has won the "popularity contest". Whether it is the "best OS you can get for the 386 class of hardware" is still an IMHO statement, I would think. An interesting turn of events, nonetheless. Again, these are just the observations of an interested bystander/outsider. Further comments/observations from an insider's perspective welcomed ... -- - Greg Earle Phone: (818) 353-8695 FAX: (818) 353-1877 [Out of order now] Internet: earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US UUCP: isolar!earle@elroy.JPL.NASA.GOV a.k.a. ...!elroy!isolar!earle ------------------------------ From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders) Subject: Re: The Daily Posting - what to do with it ? Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 21:47:00 GMT muts@compi.hobby.nl (Peter Mutsaers) writes: >Let's stop with the daily posting, or at least turn it into a monthly >posting with a longer expiration time. It is in my kill file but still >to get this 3K everyday for nothing, I know it's not much but still. I certainly wouldn't agree with this if there was any evidence that the amount of people posting who obviously didn't read it would go up if posting of it stopped. -- John Henders GO/MU/E d* -p+ c+++ l++ t- m--- s/++ g+ w+++ -x+ ------------------------------ From: majland@carlsberg.nork.auc.dk (Anders Majland) Subject: Cheap Enthernet cards, needs help :) Date: 16 Aug 1993 00:06:58 GMT In article <1993Aug15.161936.15528@cc.gatech.edu> byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes: >In the August 9th issue of LAN Times there is an advertisement from >Accton Technology Corporation. They are advertising a special offer >(while supplies last) for their EN1651 MPX 16-bit AT bus ethernet >adapter. You can purchase up to two of these adapters at the >evaluation price of just $29 each. > >These ethernet adapters are NE2000 compatible (which means they'll >work under OS/2 just fine). The offer is good in the United States ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >and Canada only. Add $5 for shipping and handling. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Since that I definitely is outside the states & canada. i can't bye those directly. But maybe there is a friendly soul "over there" who would bye 2 cards for me (with a little profit ofcourse). PS if interested don't mail me at the adress in the header (it will bounce) but use the one in the signature below -- Anders Majland Pedersen E-mail maj91@kom.auc.dk Aalborg University S-mail Anders Majland Pedersen Institute of Electronic Systems Sigrid Undsets Vej 254B Fr. Bajersvej 7 DK-9220 Aalborg O DK-9220 Aalborg O ,,, Phone +45 98 15 24 43 (o o) ----Linux 0.99pl11--------oOO--(_)--OOo-----carlsberg.nork.auc.dk---- ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: news.software.nntp From: ins407x@mdw018.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew J. Cosgriff) Subject: Re: INN1.4 under Linux - WOW !!!!!! Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 22:19:16 GMT muts@compi.hobby.nl (Peter Mutsaers) writes: > AJC> Definitely. I originally started by ripping cnews out of SLS, > AJC> and trying that...it worked ok, but I had to hack shell scripts > AJC> all over the place to work... >I haven't looked at INN so I cannot comment on that, but as for Cnews, >it has no problems. I took a normal source distribution of Cnews (no >linux version) and it compiled and ran fine just like that, without >changes. I was going to rebuild CNews from the sources, but was recommended INN by fellow APANA members...I'm glad I took it. > That's a reason I never like to get binaries but always >want to make them myself. Spot on. :) > AJC> INN on the other hand works great and isn;t as cluttered as > AJC> CNews wrt. having a massive /usr/lib/news tree...I haven;'t > AJC> tried the new (non)patches yet, I'm still using Arjan's > AJC> original update of dpg's patches... >OK, /usr/lib/news and /usr/lib/newsbin contain a lot. But I only need >a few of these programs and files and it is quite clear. Certainly. I don't have a problem as such with C-News, I'm just saying that, from using both CNews and INN, INN *is* IMHO a better system. Enjoy, Andrew. -- - Andrew J. Cosgriff - andrew@bing.apana.org.au ins407x@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au "Save the universe ! 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