From: Digestifier To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Mon, 16 Aug 93 16:00:55 EDT Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #1 Linux-Misc Digest #1, Volume #1 Mon, 16 Aug 93 16:00:55 EDT Contents: Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux INN1.4 under Linux - WOW !!!!!! (Vince Skahan) vgalib (David Johnson) Re: vgalib (Jeff Epler) Re: Why would I want LINUX? (Brian D. Carlstrom) JANA: still don't answer e-mail (dan@oea.hobby.nl) High speed modems & Linux (Kevin G. Fisher) what commercial products have been ported to linux? (Cobalt Stargazer) Developer's list (LEE BRIAN) Re: High speed modems & Linux (Lawrence Foard) Re: Why would I want LINUX? (A Wizard of Earth C) Linux comm programs, and mod tracker? (Sean Camanyag) Re: sz/rz with kermit (OUTTA HERE!) Re: Developer's list (Robert Smart) mailsig in elm and tin (Chris D. Johnston) [ANNOUNCE] Emacs 19.18 binaries on ftp.cdrom.com (Patrick J. Volkerding) Re: term and txconn (Philip Brown) FInding Longest "String" algorithm wanted. (Dan Miner) Re: High speed modems & Linux (William D. Heideman) Re: Comments on the MCC Interim Release (Ed Carp) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Path: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!spartan.ac.BrockU.CA!dboese From: dboese@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Darcy Boese) Subject: Finally got networking working with SLS 1.03! Message-ID: <1993Aug12.160940.15822@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 16:09:40 GMT Lines: 97 Xref: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu comp.os.linux.admin:1 comp.os.linux.misc:1 comp.os.linux:55858 Hmm. Looks like some of those new linux groups were finally created. I suppose that comp.os.linux should become dead soon... Ah well, I suppose I should cross-post this a bit then... In any case, I finally got my Linux box to network outside the local zone now. The fix? It seems that the "route" command is very order sensitive. So I put everything in a certain particular order and now it works. But some things don't work: I can't do an nslookup on addresses in the /etc/hosts file, although I can use that file for aliasing. And the fingering doesn't work right: Nobody on my system has logged in. Bull. And solutions for that? Here is my rc.local file: ---------------------------- rc.local ----------------------------------------- if [ -x /etc/rc.inet1 ]; then /bin/hostname -S `cat /etc/host` /etc/rc.inet1 (sleep 2; # wait for daemons to get a foothold mount -av -t nfs)& else /bin/hostname -S shemp.cosc.brocku.ca fi if [ -f /etc/lilo/bootargs ]; then (cd /etc/lilo; /bin/sh ./bootargs) fi if [ -x /etc/clock ]; then /etc/clock -s fi if [ -x /etc/syslogd ]; then syslogd # turn on logging of su's, logins etc. fi if [ -x /etc/syslogk ]; then syslogk on > /usr/log/kernel& # log all kernel messages. fi if [ -x /etc/lpd ]; then /etc/lpd # printer daemon fi ------------------ end of rc.local -------------------------------------------- Notice that I put in /etc/rc.inet1 instead of /etc/rc.net. Doing that cleared up a few problems, as I followed through most of the NET-2 FAQ, and _it_ used rc.inet1 and rc.inet2, so _I_ used them. Here is my (slightly edited) rc.inet1 file: ------------------------------ rc.inet1 --------------------------------------- #!/bin/sh # rc.inet1: configure the network interface # IF YOU HAVE AN ETHERNET CONNECTION, use these lines below to configure the # eth0 interface. If you're only using loopback or SLIP, don't include the # rest of the lines in this file. # Edit for your setup. IPADDR="my.site.address" # REPLACE with YOUR IP address! NETMASK="my.network.mask" # REPLACE with YOUR netmask! NETWORK="my.network.address" # REPLACE with YOUR network address! BROADCAST="my.broadcast.address" # REPLACE with YOUR broadcast address, if you # have one. If not, leave blank and edit below. GATEWAY="my.gateway.address" # REPLACE with YOUR gateway address! /etc/ifconfig eth0 ${IPADDR} netmask ${NETMASK} broadcast ${BROADCAST} # If you don't have a broadcast address, change the above line to just: #/etc/ifconfig eth0 ${IPADDR} netmask ${NETMASK} /etc/route add default gw ${GATEWAY} metric 1 #/etc/route add ${NETWORK} /etc/route add ${IPADDR} /etc/ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 /etc/route add 127.0.0.1 /etc/rc.inet2 # End of rc.inet1 ------------------------ end of rc.inet1 -------------------------------------- Notice that all of the addresses are put in this file explicitly, rather than figured out from the /etc/hosts file. For some reason the rc.net script that came with the initial SLS 1.03 file mucked up the broadcast address. Mine was aa.bb.cc.255, but it set it to aa.bb.255.255. Also note that I put the gateway first, skipped the network, then put in the local machine, and finally the loopback. Having skipped over the network seems to be what fixed up the seeing-outside-my-zone problem. I call the rc.inet2 file from rc.inet1. The file contains almost exactly the stuff from the NET-2 FAQ (ie. I copied it from the distribution files into /etc instead of /conf/net. It doesn't matter where it resides as long as it can be found.) except that I uncommented the named stuff. However, doing this didn't fix up doing an nslookup on entries in the /etc/hosts file so I'm probably going to comment it out again. I hope this helps some of you other Linuxers get your machines working on the network... From: vince@victrola.wa.com (Vince Skahan) Subject: INN1.4 under Linux - WOW !!!!!! Date: 12 Aug 1993 23:41:05 GMT I got Arjan's INN1.4 to run under Linux (thanks for the tar file and recent updated postings on it) and it's *INCREDIBLE*. I have trn3.1 and tin1.2p1 set up to use the INN overview database and you can't imagine how fast posting and processing of incoming news happens, even when compared to the C-news Performance Release. That thing absolutely screams !!!! Anyway, I'll be adding some words regarding INN to the UUCP-NEWS-MAIL-FAQ regarding what little pain it was to install (given Arjan's fine instructions...). Oh yeah, I'm running an upgraded SLS1.02 (added--> 0.99-11, net-2, gcc2.4.3, gcclib4.4.1) -- ---------- Vince Skahan --------- vince@victrola.wa.com ------------- Hypocrisoda - the diet soft drink you order so you can have extra cheese on that jumbo pizza without gaining weight ------------------------------ From: dave@newtokyo.demon.co.uk (David Johnson) Subject: vgalib Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 14:07:22 +0000 I have been messing about with the vgalib that I found in SLS1.03. The problem I have is this. Do all programs that use the library have to be run as root, or am I doing something wrong? It appears to be reporting that I can't changes the I/O permissions if I am not root. This does put a limitation on the program that I am messing about with at the moment Dave ------------------------------ From: jepler@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Epler) Subject: Re: vgalib Date: Sun, 15 Aug 93 23:55:21 GMT In article <1993Aug15.140722.22849@newtokyo.demon.co.uk> dave@newtokyo.demon.co.uk (David Johnson) writes: >I have been messing about with the vgalib that I found in SLS1.03. >The problem I have is this. Do all programs that use the library have >to be run as root, or am I doing something wrong? It appears to be reporting >that I can't changes the I/O permissions if I am not root. This does >put a limitation on the program that I am messing about with at the moment Since programs written with vgalib/svgalib require access to the hardware directly, they must 1) be executed by root OR 2) suid root. So, if you log in (or su) root, you can: chown root.system vgafoo chmod +s vgafoo This way, any user who can execute the file should not get the message about I/O permissions. Unfortunately, this requires that one SU a lot (or log in as root) while developing programs for vgalib. I don't know of any solution for this particular 'problem.' Was it neatly addressed in some README file that I skipped? -- Jeff Epler jepler@nyx.cs.du.edu (Preferred) or bx304@cleveland.freenet.edu ____ "Nuke the unborn gay whales" -- Never seen on a protest sign \bi/ I have no time for petty theft, I have no time for sex, \/ But I have time for what I like, And that is what is best. ------------------------------ From: bdc@transit.ai.mit.edu (Brian D. Carlstrom) Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc Subject: Re: Why would I want LINUX? Date: 16 Aug 1993 01:41:29 GMT In article <24m779$b0h@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US> earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US (Greg Earle) writes: isolar:2:40 % ls -R1 /var/spool/news/comp/os/386bsd | egrep '^[1-9]' | wc -l 226 isolar:2:41 % ls -R1 /var/spool/news/comp/os/linux | egrep '^[1-9]' | wc -l 1593 So, at least, it would appear that Linux has won the "popularity contest". Whether it is the "best OS you can get for the 386 class of hardware" is still an IMHO statement, I would think. An interesting turn of events, nonetheless. i would hardly give the volume of postings any credit for indicating anything, since i could claim that linux users are often coming from dos not unix and ask a lot of newbie unix questions ( i would guess) and since they are playing a lot of catch up with their network software i could claim that they talk about that while we dont. not that any of this is true, but given the s/n ratio on usenet as a whole, its hardly a scientifc mesaure =) -bri ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux From: dan@oea.hobby.nl Subject: JANA: still don't answer e-mail Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 10:19:38 GMT [followup set to comp.os.linux.misc] After Jay Jana posted his new mail addresses to c.o.l.a I figured this will put an end to the problems alot of people had reaching them by e-mai, but it seems I was optimistic! E-mail to the addresses he gave, even the auto-reply ones, begets no answer. Has anybody recieved e-mail from JANA? Has anybody recieved a new CDROM (July-August). -- |< Dan Naas dan@oea.hobby.nl >| +---------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca (Kevin G. Fisher) Subject: High speed modems & Linux Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 02:40:01 GMT Hi folks: Ok, this may be a dumb naiive question, but please bear with me. I just purchased a 14.4 modem (yay!). It works great on my 386-40 running SLS 1.02...but one thing I've noticed. Whenever I'm doing a file transfer at 14.4, if I do anything (ie start up XV or something) while the transfer is happening, it looses packets until whatever I started is loaded. I realize this problem is probably caused by the cpu, uart or whatever being unable to keep up... Am I correct in this assumption? I seem to remember in the days of OS/2 2.0's intro people running into the same problem, and the solution being to get a faster UART in their pc....... -- Kevin Fisher ><> | "Love....Well, never mind..." kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca | - Matthew Sweet ------------------------------ From: cam@adied.oz.au (Cobalt Stargazer) Subject: what commercial products have been ported to linux? Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 02:59:12 GMT Have any commercial products been ported to Linux or are there any that may be ported in the future? c. ------------------------------ From: leebr@ecf.toronto.edu (LEE BRIAN) Subject: Developer's list Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 03:47:47 GMT I've been using Linux for quite a while now, and I think it is time for me to start contributing... But I had no real idea what to write! Proposition: why don't we make a list of wanted applications, so those who are bored can pick from them and start writing? i.e., we need a good wordproccessing package, a windoze API emulator, etc And of course we need someone to maintain this list! Any comments on this? -- +=[O]==================================================================[<]=[>]=+ | | | | Brian Jonathan Lee | "Maybe I shouldn't ask her out..." | | leebr@skule.ecf.toronto.edu | | ------------------------------ From: entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard) Subject: Re: High speed modems & Linux Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 04:37:34 GMT In article kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca (Kevin G. Fisher) writes: > > >Hi folks: > > Ok, this may be a dumb naiive question, but please bear with me. I >just purchased a 14.4 modem (yay!). It works great on my 386-40 running SLS >1.02...but one thing I've noticed. Whenever I'm doing a file transfer at >14.4, if I do anything (ie start up XV or something) while the transfer is >happening, it looses packets until whatever I started is loaded. I realize >this problem is probably caused by the cpu, uart or whatever being unable to >keep up... >Am I correct in this assumption? I seem to remember in the days of OS/2 >2.0's intro people running into the same problem, and the solution being to >get a faster UART in their pc....... Yes unfortunitly like many of the chips in the PC chipset the 8250 suffers from severe brain damage and/or age. Fortunitly getting a 16550 will solve the problem. Inorder to run at 14K baud on an 8250 your machine has to keep up with atleast 1400 interrupts/second. -- ====== Time: 820713600 seconds, Space: 1727.2mm, Mass: 9.5E10 ug . \ / Kinsey: 4.5, Religion: Science, Energy: 8.55E18, OS: Linux . . \ / Species: Human, Planet: Earth, Fame: Tinymush, Allergy: Dustmite . . . \/ Purity: 40, Sex: male, frequent, Drugs: Caffeine, Rock & roll: . . . . ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc From: terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) Subject: Re: Why would I want LINUX? Date: Mon, 16 Aug 93 04:35:33 GMT In article bdc@transit.ai.mit.edu (Brian D. Carlstrom) writes: >In article <24m779$b0h@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US> earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US (Greg Earle) writes: > > isolar:2:40 % ls -R1 /var/spool/news/comp/os/386bsd | egrep '^[1-9]' | wc -l > 226 > isolar:2:41 % ls -R1 /var/spool/news/comp/os/linux | egrep '^[1-9]' | wc -l > 1593 > > So, at least, it would appear that Linux has won the "popularity > contest". Whether it is the "best OS you can get for the 386 class of > hardware" is still an IMHO statement, I would think. An interesting > turn of events, nonetheless. > >i would hardly give the volume of postings any credit for indicating >anything, since i could claim that linux users are often coming from dos >not unix and ask a lot of newbie unix questions ( i would guess) and >since they are playing a lot of catch up with their network software i >could claim that they talk about that while we dont. not that any of >this is true, but given the s/n ratio on usenet as a whole, its hardly a >scientifc mesaure =) A lot of the FreeBSD and NetBSD traffic has moved off to mailing lists; for instance, this is Sunday night. The combined traffic on the FreeBSD mailing list alone on Saturday (14 Aug 93) and Sunday (15 Aug 93) has been 47 messages (I have hopes for 50 before the night is out -- it's 10:20PM here right now). The group traffic is not indicative of the level of activity, only the amount of usenet postings... ie: the group traffic. This isn't counting the "merge" list traffic or the NetBSD traffic. Terry Lambert terry@icarus.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. ------------------------------ From: bgc@netcom.com (Sean Camanyag) Subject: Linux comm programs, and mod tracker? Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 05:59:59 GMT What communications programs are there for Linux? I saw a few on sunsite.unc.edu but they weren't exactly what I was looking for in a comm program. One that I was trying out, ecu, has a "device" field for each dialing dir entry. I left that the way it was and filled in the rest of the fields. When I selected the new entry it said something like "no idle ACU line on /dev/cua1", and then kicked me out to interactive mode, making me do the dialing. Also, has anyone successfully compiled the tracker 3.10 mod player on sunsite.unc.edu? Make quit when it said there was a parsing error in line 60 of linux_audio.c. I looked at line 60 and it just has: stereo = s; I have no idea what's wrong with it. -=======================================================================- | Sean Camanyag | "I am Homer of Borg. You will be | | bgc@netcom.com | assimil.... oooohhh Donuts!" | -=======================================================================- ------------------------------ From: aehall@calvin.seattleu.edu (OUTTA HERE!) Subject: Re: sz/rz with kermit Date: 12 Aug 1993 20:24:52 GMT I zapped the previous message but someone suggested (to use z-modem through kermit): localsystem> sz filename Escape back to kermit C-Kermit> !rz <>/dev/modem When I try this the local rz just gives me a bunch of timeout messages and nothing ever gets downloaded... The file I'm trying to send never even gets created. I've tried this with the 188 kermit and the new 189 kermit and get the same results. I've heard of people actually getting this to work... what's the difference between our systems???? Anthony -- Anthony Hall _ _ Unix System Administrator aehall@seattleu.edu /_/ /_/ Physician Micro Systems, Inc. _ _ 2033 6th Ave Suite 707 /_/ /_/ Seattle, WA 98122 206-441-8490 ------------------------------ From: smart@koel.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU (Robert Smart) Subject: Re: Developer's list Date: Mon, 16 Aug 93 06:39:13 GMT leebr@ecf.toronto.edu (LEE BRIAN) writes: >are bored can pick from them and start writing? i.e., we need a good >wordproccessing package, a windoze API emulator, etc If we had a port of Andrew we'd have a good word-processor. Perhaps we should start with a list of "things that need porting" before we get on to new stuff: 1. Andrew. This comes up often. There's a guy at CMU who plans to look at it one day but I don't think that should stop any other enthusiastic person. I believe this one is not easy, and I think it is various applications sharing one library so it will work best if it has a shared library. 2. IP multicast. This is a kernel one. 3. Audio comms. I don't think the source of vat is available (giving the 386BSD crowd an unfair advantage -- grumble. This also applies to wb (double grumble)). There are other packages for which source is available: ivs and multi-g. 4. Video comms. Source of nv is available. I realise that like vat and wb this works best with multicast. However all these tools work in point-to- point mode and if we do that bit of the porting now we'll be ready for multicast. Doing a version of nv that can receive video is probably easy. The trick is to interface to PC video capture cards. 5. ISODE. Yes we should have OSI networking. And ISODE includes some other interesting stuff like SNMP agents and clients. 6. SecuDE and/or OSISEC for X.509-based security. 7. Kerberos, though obviously distribution of that will be problematical. That's all I can think of at the moment. Bob Smart ------------------------------ From: chris@surfcty.surfcty.com (Chris D. Johnston) Subject: mailsig in elm and tin Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 06:30:59 GMT OK, I hope that this is the (sortof) right group to post this to. Where do I place my .signature file for tin and elm? I read the man pages and the README for tin. I must be really whacked if someone says rtfm to me on this one. (I have not read any nutshell books on this though...). Chris ------------------------------ From: bf703@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Patrick J. Volkerding) Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Emacs 19.18 binaries on ftp.cdrom.com Date: 16 Aug 1993 07:24:08 GMT Reply-To: bf703@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Patrick J. Volkerding) I've added a new series to the Slackware distribution. The 'E' series contains GNU Emacs 19.18 and the full set of support files and Lisp source. Currently, this requires four 3.5" disks. Depending on how much of the distribution you install, it needs anywhere from 5 to 17 megabytes of drive space. It was compiled with GCC 2.4.5 and the 4.4.1 libraries. It requires the 4.4.1 shared libraries, as well as the libX11 shared library. Under Slackware 1.00 or 1.01, or SLS 1.03, you should be able to install the 'E' series with the command: sysinstall -special E Enjoy! -- Patrick Volkerding volkerdi@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu bf703@cleveland.freenet.edu ------------------------------ From: philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown) Subject: Re: term and txconn Date: 16 Aug 1993 07:32:47 GMT I have gotten only a few replies, and most of them were way off the bat. Let me be clearer. I run term. I connect My home machine via modem to my school machine. I would like to run an X program on my HOME machine, to display on a machine that is not my school machine. Any suggestions? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Don't move, Penelope.. I want to remember you just the way you are now. Puzzled." philb@cats.ucsc.edu philb@soda.berkeley.edu ------------------------------ From: dminer@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dan Miner) Subject: FInding Longest "String" algorithm wanted. Date: Mon, 16 Aug 93 07:32:56 GMT I'm writing a backup utility with an ECC layer. To offset this expansion (about 4%), I'm writing compression into the program. I'm (what I understand from compression.faq) writing is a LZ77 family compressor, subsitution based. I've tried two forms of "finding the longest string" but they are just too slow. I'm using a sliding window and lookahead buffer. Could someone explain or pointer me to a fast algorithm? Tried algorithms: 1) Brute force method. Really slow! 2) A Beyer-Moore (?) method of using an array to judge how many chars to jump to start the new search. This one is better but I'm getting the longest match in under a second but this is still too slow. Thanks, Dan P.S. This is my first try at compression. -- Dan Miner (dminer@nyx.cs.du.edu) Hackers' Guide Coordinator for Linux "It all begins with a glimmer." ------------------------------ From: heide861@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (William D. Heideman) Subject: Re: High speed modems & Linux Date: 16 Aug 1993 06:20:22 GMT Kevin G. Fisher (kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca) wrote: : Hi folks: : Ok, this may be a dumb naiive question, but please bear with me. I : just purchased a 14.4 modem (yay!). It works great on my 386-40 running SLS : 1.02...but one thing I've noticed. Whenever I'm doing a file transfer at : 14.4, if I do anything (ie start up XV or something) while the transfer is : happening, it looses packets until whatever I started is loaded. I realize : this problem is probably caused by the cpu, uart or whatever being unable to : keep up... : Am I correct in this assumption? I seem to remember in the days of OS/2 : 2.0's intro people running into the same problem, and the solution being to : get a faster UART in their pc....... Not a FASTER UART, a BUFFERED UART. The standard PC UART is the 16450, which does not buffer incoming characters, so if the cpu can't get the character before the next one arrives (do to multi-tasking delays) then that character is lost. You should probably get a 16550A or compatible buffering UART. It will likely solve the problem. : -- : Kevin Fisher ><> | "Love....Well, never mind..." : kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca | - Matthew Sweet Bill Heideman heide861@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu ------------------------------ From: erc@apple.com (Ed Carp) Subject: Re: Comments on the MCC Interim Release Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 07:46:01 GMT Daniel Quinlan (quinlan@spectrum.cs.bucknell.edu) wrote: : I'll put it like this, if you have any amount of experience with Unix : or even a good amount of experience with computers in general, use the : MCC installation, it is a blessing. If you don't and you feel that : you can do SLS easier, install it, play with Linux for a week or two, : and THEN install MCC. You'll be happier if you do. I've used MCC's distribution ever since it first came out. Owen's done an excellent job of making the install pretty much idiot-proof, and the amazing thing is, everything works! Judging by the number of complaints I've seen re: SLS, I can't say the same thing about it. -- Ed Carp, N7EKG erc@apple.com 510/659-9560 anon-2133@twwells.com If you want magic, let go of your armor. Magic is so much stronger than steel! -- Richard Bach, "The Bridge Across Forever" ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest ******************************