From: Digestifier To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 07:13:22 EDT Subject: Linux-Development Digest #197 Linux-Development Digest #197, Volume #1 Fri, 29 Oct 93 07:13:22 EDT Contents: LXBoot (Masami Ogoshi) Re: Slowness in scsi disk access (Michael Griffith) Re: Slowness in scsi disk access (Eric Youngdale) Re: [Q] I need an inet guru to install PVM between 2 linux box (Alan Cox) VAX Fortran to C ($$- Follow Up!!) (Stephen Balbach) WANTED: COBOL compiler (Reid Allen Forrest) Summary: Questions in non-help groups (Byron A Jeff) FASYNC (Mike Jagdis) Re: PCMCIA Xircom Ethernet driver? (Kwun Han) Re: Andrew File System (Mark Eichin) Re: [q] status of IN2000 support? (David Willmore) MS-Windows Binaries under X/Linux (mgrimes@acpub.duke.edu) Linux under development for Atari TT/Falcon?? (Karl Meyland) What's wrong with a DOS to Linux disk access? (Christian Holtje) Re: What's wrong with a DOS to Linux disk access? (Arnt Gulbrandsen) Re: TERM problems- Please help! (Eric Sulzner) Re: TERM problems- Please help! (Sam Sarmast) Re: What's wrong with a DOS to Linux disk access? (Ronald Watkins) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ogochan@jh4tjwgw.jh4tjw.prug.or.jp (Masami Ogoshi) Subject: LXBoot Date: 28 Oct 93 09:10:27 GMT Reply-To: ogochan@jh4tjwgw.jh4tjw.prug.or.jp (Masami Ogoshi) We made new version of LXBoot (which is boot loader for Linux). It is, (1) fs name base seeking LXBoot understands Linux's file system. Then LXBoot seeks kernel by fs name. And you can select kernel before booting. (2) easy to install LXBoot has a installer. It works automatic. -- ogochan@jh4tjw.prug.or.jp Masami Ogoshi 109 Okudani-cho Matsue city Shimane pref 690 JAPAN ------------------------------ From: grif@ucrengr.ucr.edu (Michael Griffith) Subject: Re: Slowness in scsi disk access Date: 28 Oct 1993 15:19:25 GMT In article <0gnw8za00VR5IKa4hW@andrew.cmu.edu>, Brian E. Gallew wrote: >I personally like the idea of the bdflush-type process. This leads to >a question: What does the idle task do? I seem to recall that at one >time Linus was going to actually have it do something useful in any >spare system time. Perhaps this could be made helpful here? > > -Brian I don't think that it is too good of an idea to have the idle process do I/O. Then, it wouldn't be guaranteed to be on the ready queue. Instead, bdflush would be a replacement for /etc/update. -- Michael A. Griffith grif@cs.ucr.edu ------------------------------ From: eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale) Subject: Re: Slowness in scsi disk access Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 15:44:49 GMT In article <2aontt$73g@galaxy.ucr.edu> grif@ucrengr.ucr.edu (Michael Griffith) writes: >In article <0gnw8za00VR5IKa4hW@andrew.cmu.edu>, >Brian E. Gallew wrote: >>I personally like the idea of the bdflush-type process. This leads to >>a question: What does the idle task do? I seem to recall that at one >>time Linus was going to actually have it do something useful in any >>spare system time. Perhaps this could be made helpful here? >> >> -Brian > >I don't think that it is too good of an idea to have the idle process >do I/O. Then, it wouldn't be guaranteed to be on the ready queue. Indeed this is true. The idle process has cs==USER_CS as well, so it might be unable to do some I/O tasks anyway. >Instead, bdflush would be a replacement for /etc/update. I do not view it as a replacement, I view it as a more specialized tool that would respond dynamically to the system requirements. In my mind both would continue to exist, but they would be doing somewhat different things. The bdflush (fsflush on our SVr4 machine) would not write all dirty buffers, but would endeavor to keep the top of the free list supplied with clean buffers. Thus it would not always write everything dirty in the buffer cache, but only perhaps the first 500 dirty buffers. The update task could continue to sync every 30 seconds, and would serve a slightly different purpose. -- "The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And lines to code before I sleep, And lines to code before I sleep." ------------------------------ From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: [Q] I need an inet guru to install PVM between 2 linux box Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 16:00:24 GMT In article <2aobgd$gtu@cismsun.univ-lyon1.fr> buffat@europe.mecaflu.ec-lyon.fr (Buffat Marc) writes: >PVM works well on one machine using the localhost, but I cannot use it with >the 2 machines. Here is the problem: >To connected the 2 machine, PVM uses socket and creates a socket with: > sockid=socket(AF_INET,SOCK_DRGRAM,0); ^-- I assume you mean sock_dgram >and try to link the socket with the interface name eth0 using > sockaddr sad; > strcpy(sad.sa_data,"eth0"); > sad.sa_family=AF_INET; ^^^^^^^^^ This is garbage. INET datagram sockets are assigned inet addresses not device names. If you are trying to use inet datagram sockets then get a book on the subject. Device names are only used by SOCK_PACKET ethernet level frames. > bind(sockid,&sad,sizeof(sokaddr)); >I got an error from bind : "unable to assigned the request name" >If I change the intergace name from eth0 to lo (local loopback), it works This astounds me! Alan iiitac@pyr.swan.ac.uk ------------------------------ From: stephen@clark.net (Stephen Balbach) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.help Subject: VAX Fortran to C ($$- Follow Up!!) Date: 28 Oct 1993 17:37:07 -0400 About two weeks ago I posted a request for help on finding a VAX Fortran to C converter for linux. I recieved many helpfull replies from people directly involved in this area. Unfortunantly our hard drive crashed and all of the replies and names and contacts I had gathered were lost! If you sent me a reply, I would greatly appreciate if you could reply to me again. There is a good possibility this could lead to contract work, or a project leading to a VAX Fortran to C library/utility. I am particulary interested in the fellow who is working on the GNU Fortran compiler, and the company that makes Fortran to C utilities, and really any one else who replied. Thanks, Stephen -- Stephen Balbach . Clark Internet Services . Washington D.C./Balt. metro area . mail all-info@clark.net . SLIP/PPP/UUCP/CSLIP . FAX 410-730-9765 Linux on Disk . 32 disks $45 . linux-all@clark.net . voice 410-740-1157 Time Card . Electronic Punch-Card System DOS . email stephen@clark.net ------------------------------ From: raf4482@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU (Reid Allen Forrest) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: WANTED: COBOL compiler Date: 28 Oct 1993 17:09:13 -0500 I am currently looking for a COBOL compiler in C, preferably one that already works with Linux. However, I'll take anything, as I don't have any sort of working code at the moment. Thanks in advance, Reid Forrest raf4482@tamuts.tamu.edu ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.misc From: byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) Subject: Summary: Questions in non-help groups Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 22:39:06 GMT My effort has petered out after a couple of weeks. I received a few basic classes of responses: 1) "I think my question is appropriate for the group." 2) "There is too much traffic in c.o.l.help." 3) "I post where the gurus are." 4) "I wanted more visibility/faster response." 5) "I didn't know." In addition from my observations many of the groups are write only becuase the same questions come up over and over and over again. If posters just scanned the last week of messages, much of the time they would find an answer and would not have to post. Also many questions/answers can be found in the FAQ's and HOWTO's. People don't read them much of the time. It seems to me that this a bad situation and it's not going to get any better because the querants don't do any basic research before posting. After running this survey for a couple of weeks my conclusions are the same: 1) Don't answer inappropriate questions. 2) Direct people to the correct answers (HOWTO, FAQ, whatever). 3) Redirect questions to comp.os.linux.help. Comments welcome. Survey responses upon request. Followup to c.o.l.misc only. Later, BAJ --- Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of... Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel! Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu ------------------------------ From: jaggy@purplet.demon.co.uk (Mike Jagdis) Subject: FASYNC Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 23:46:00 +0000 * In message <2akfk1$8fo@genesis.ait.psu.edu>, Chuck Fee said: CF> I'm trying to compile isode-8.0 and the compile is havnig problems CF> with FASYNC, which is not defined in any Linux header file CF> but exists under SunOS 4.1.3 CF> Does Linux support asynchronous I/O signals ? (which is what CF> my miniscule CF> knowledge of such things leads me to believe that is what CF> FASYNC means) No. CF> if not, is there a workaround for this?? Isode does its best to cope with systems that are lacking in places. You can get round the lack of async - it's just a case of knowing which signals to undef in the config.h file. That at least gets you an isode library that pp will compile against (which is what most people want I guess). Mind you pp has problems of its own, mainly related to what seems to be overzealous freeing of malloced memory which our malloc doesn't like at all... I've started trying to sort out the patches I've made to isode 8.0. I know I said that a while back but I *will* finish tidying things up and post them just as soon as I can chance... Mike ------------------------------ From: kwh@cs.brown.edu (Kwun Han) Subject: Re: PCMCIA Xircom Ethernet driver? Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 06:11:38 GMT In article <1993Oct28.160442.6167@super.org> becker@super.org (Donald J. Becker) writes: Xircom is known for not releasing programming information. Even if they change their policy you are unlikely to see a driver from me. Hmm... so are there *any* PCMCIA ethernet card supported by Linux? I am really desperate to get a notebook hooked up to the net. I would hate to use PLIP or SLIP, really... Kwun ***************************************************************** |/\ /| ||\ | -0-0- |\ \/\/ |_|| \| \_/ kwh@cs.brown.edu Box #2392, Brown University, ST002255@brownvm.brown.edu Providence, RI 02912 Kwun_Han@brown.edu ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: eichin@cygnus.com (Mark Eichin) Subject: Re: Andrew File System Date: 28 Oct 1993 19:44:19 -0400 >> And why are they locked out? AFS is available for a variety of >> platforms. People at those sites are more limited in the platforms >> they can run on, but they must feel the trade-off is worth it. There are currently *no* x86 ports of linux available from Transarc, as of a month ago, according to their sales staff. (I heard of someone outside of Transarc doing an Intel SVR4 version, but it was never made into a product.) So that chops out a whole class of hardware. As for NFS gateways: well, there is at least authentication code for them (which is free, it was written at MIT without using Transarc code) but what's the point of authentication if read-write access is likely to toast files? The NFS gateway is marginal for read-only use, but unacceptable for read-write use, and as far as I know it doesn't work on that many server architectures (it doesn't run under DEC Ultrix, for example, even though the AFS server code does...) AFS is really neat, and hopefully the DFS spec will be as free as the NFS one was (and good enough to implement from) so that there will be interoperating use. I've heard that this is intended. _Mark_ MIT Student Information Processing Board Cygnus Support ------------------------------ From: willmore@iastate.edu (David Willmore) Subject: Re: [q] status of IN2000 support? Date: 29 Oct 93 05:09:46 GMT jet5@pyrite.SOM.CWRU.Edu (Jerod Tufte) writes: >Has any progress been made on the IN2000 scsi support? Swap drives, >maybe? It used to work for me, and I now get timeouts and it doesn't >recognize my Maxtor drive anymore. I get in2000_queue_command >timeouts during bootup. Anyone with information of the status of this >driver and/or familiarity with the type of problem I'm having, I'd >appreciate a note. Thanks. Let me add my voice to this cry. I have an IN2000 and a drive that are just lying idle in my linux system. The patches just don't seem to work. I'm willing to alpha or beta test and I'm very curious about the state of this driver. Cheers, David -- ___________________________________________________________________________ willmore@iastate.edu | "Death before dishonor" | "Better dead than greek" | David Willmore | "Ever noticed how much they look like orchids? Lovely!" | =========================================================================== ------------------------------ From: mgrimes@acpub.duke.edu Subject: MS-Windows Binaries under X/Linux Date: 28 Oct 93 23:48:22 GMT I understand that there is work being done on some way to run MS-Windows binaries under X/Linux. Is there any one who can give me any more information on how this is going, what it takes to get involved in developement or testing, etc. Thanx, Mark ------------------------------ From: karlm@highett.mel.dbce.csiro.au (Karl Meyland) Subject: Linux under development for Atari TT/Falcon?? Date: 29 Oct 1993 06:00:22 GMT The summary says it all. I understand that this is going on, along with mac, amiga, etc., and I would like to be pointed in the direction of the developers, or could someone send me some info on what's happening, etc. Best Regards, Karl. -- | Karl Meyland CSIRO Division of Building, Construction and Engineering | | Post Office Box 56, Highett, Victoria, Australia 3190 | | Internet: karlm@mel.dbce.csiro.au | | Work: +61 3 252 6222 Fax: +61 3 252 6244 Home: +61 3 853 9622 | ------------------------------ From: choltje@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Christian Holtje) Subject: What's wrong with a DOS to Linux disk access? Date: 29 Oct 1993 00:50:18 GMT I'm not very good at programming, but I'd be willing to try helping: I think some one should write a program in DOS to access the linux partitions. Everytime I've seen someone ask about accessing Linux disks from DOS, they're smashed down, with few reasonable responses, even though this is a reasonable question. It makes sense. Not every one who uses DOS and OS/2 are wizzes at setting computers up. Letting them get to DOS partitions from Linux was a natural move, especially to help them move (sort of a one-way trap!). However, There will be many users who _won't_ move completely over to linux. It is important that we help these people make use of Linux to the max. SO lets write a simple program to let them read the linux partition. It can't be too hard, it doesn't have to be super hi-tech. Prefered: Something like the doublespace system device, it loads via com or sys file and adds a 'virtual drive' to the system. Acceptable: Menu driven acces to the disk. Like MacSee. (i.e. not very elegant.) I'm willing to help, but I have no idea how to write either of these and am only a begginer in c. (Just enough to install the delta-ipc to get dosemu .49 running on kernel pl13 :) So anyone willing to help or I suppose to even point me in the right direction, just speak up. -Doc _________From the computer of --Doctor What--____________________(C. Holtje)___ ] docwhat@uiuc.edu | God is real -- unless declared integer [ ] Mail me for help, a |"Just because you aren't paranoid doesn't mean they [ ] subscription to my | aren't out to get you." [ ] periodical, or for fun | --Linux: The choice of a GNU generation!-- [ =============================================================================== Thought for the day: Vice stings us even in our pleasures, but virtue consoles us, even in our pains. -- Colton ------------------------------ From: agulbra@nvg.unit.no (Arnt Gulbrandsen) Subject: Re: What's wrong with a DOS to Linux disk access? Date: 29 Oct 1993 09:15:29 +0100 In article <2appca$4uj@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Christian Holtje wrote: >Everytime I've seen someone ask about accessing Linux disks from DOS, they're >smashed down, with few reasonable responses, even though this is a reasonable >question. Sorry about that, I think it's reasonable too, but I'm not about to actually work to be able to do it. >SO lets write a simple program to let them read the linux >partition. It can't be too hard, it doesn't have to be super hi-tech. I don't have code, but I know it will be a small job if anyone wants to do it. I wrote one last last summer ('92). This was before LILO and I forgot to download shoelace when I first installed linux, so I wrote my own boot loader rather than boot from floppy all the time :-) The important subroutine could load an arbitrary file off a Minix partition into the first meg. It was about 600 bytes and took a long night to write in assembler. It was on the boot block of my boot partition for a long time, but now I use LILO like everybody else. I don't have it any more, I think. It might still be on some old DOS backup, but since I deleted DOS just a few weeks later I'm not sure I ever backed it up. Doesn't matter, it was so small. --Arnt ------------------------------ From: esulzner@wooster.intel.com (Eric Sulzner) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: TERM problems- Please help! Date: 29 Oct 1993 02:24:32 GMT Wow. Actually, setting the date back would probably work. There were a couple of posts about this in one of the col* groups yesterday. Seems it has to do with some date variable being signed/unsigned. Term 1.08 was released with a fix. It should be on sunsite, tsx etc. In article clau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Christopher Lau) writes: Anyone have any clues on this one: Here's the details: o On Monday, term was working fine o On Monday night, shutdown the system properly, powered down for the night. o On Tuesday morning, term doesn't work. It just sits there and hangs, nothing appears to go over the serial line (no flashing lights on the modem) o On Wednesday, term still doesn't work.. What I did: (*extensive* debugging deleted) -- Christopher Lau | Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, The University of Calgary | not an engineer! Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engg. | Well, you're an engineer now.. lau@enel.ucalgary.ca -OR- clau@acs.ucalgary.ca -OR- root@fusion.cuc.ab.ca -- Eric Sulzner esulzner@cadev6.intel.com disclaimer -> I am not speaking for Intel. ------------------------------ From: ssarmast@ucdacm (Sam Sarmast) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: TERM problems- Please help! Date: 29 Oct 93 00:50:49 GMT Christopher Lau (clau@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote: : Anyone have any clues on this one: : Here's the details: : o On Monday, term was working fine : o On Monday night, shutdown the system properly, powered down for the night. : o On Tuesday morning, term doesn't work. It just sits there and hangs, : nothing appears to go over the serial line (no flashing lights on the modem) It's tuesday that's the problem. It seems the creater of TERM UN-intentionally left some type of bug in the code that caused term to bomb on oct 26. The fix: simple either get the patch that's floating around or pick up term108 from tsx-11 or sunsite. (I don't know if they're there yet but they should get there sooner or later) sam ------------------------------ From: rwatkins@crl.com (Ronald Watkins) Subject: Re: What's wrong with a DOS to Linux disk access? Date: 28 Oct 1993 20:27:58 -0700 Christian Holtje (choltje@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: :I'm not very good at programming, but I'd be willing to try helping: :I think some one should write a program in DOS to access the linux partitions. : Everytime I've seen someone ask about accessing Linux disks from DOS, they're : smashed down, with few reasonable responses, even though this is a reasonable : question. Um, I'm not sure why this is necessary? I can transfer files both ways without a problem from Linux. I just mount the MSDOS file system as read/write, and cp away. Blazing fast and easy as anything. I would tend to think that a DOS reader would be of limited utility, at best. Am I missing something? -- Ron Watkins, aka <> | "In times of crisis, it is of utmost All opinions are my own: | importance to keep one's head." imbibe with sodium chloride! :) | -- M. 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