From: Digestifier To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 14:13:15 EDT Subject: Linux-Development Digest #124 Linux-Development Digest #124, Volume #1 Fri, 24 Sep 93 14:13:15 EDT Contents: Re: Net-2 Patches are GREAT (Jan Wielemaker) Re: To all device driver writers; boot-time (Tor Arntsen) term between AIX-Linux (Paul Greenwood) IPX Router Docs (Mr. Patrick L. McGillan) Re: Need help for a new pc-unix user. (Thanh Ma) Re: /config (Lars Wirzenius) Re: To all device driver writers; boot-time (Lars Wirzenius) SYSV to Linux porting issues (Jim Reiss) Re: SLAP, was "TERM is a registered trademark" (Paul Greenwood) Re: [Q] biff and comsat? (Stephen R. van den Berg) Re: /config (Daniel J Thumim) $25.95 *NEW* Release Yggdrasil CD-ROM (Randy Just) Re: term between AIX-Linux (Ralph Becker-Szendy) What are libdbm.sa, etc? (Neal Becker) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc From: jan@swi.psy.uva.nl (Jan Wielemaker) Subject: Re: Net-2 Patches are GREAT Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 12:02:28 GMT jmorriso@rflab.ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison) writes: >OK, what's the secret? I can get pl13 with net-2e4 running, although >it isnt very stable. I'm about to give up on net-2e, so I downloaded >the newest pl13 source and followed the net2-debugged instructions. The >instructions tell you to move your inet directory, then unpack the new >code. No Makefile or CONFIG is included with net2-debugged, so I >assume you are supposed to copy the old ones (from inet.old!). >After compiled and booting, the new net2 stuff won't even detect my ethercard. Tried exactly the same. I've got no network at home, but we're trying to get the network stuff going at the University. Even using the loopback net, just `rlogin myself' followed by logout crashed the system without any message!? At least that works on plain pl13. Now I trust that the inet-D package is debugged, but how does one get it *properly* linked to the kernel? The first thing I want are *reliable* remote running X11 applications. The second thing I want is nfs. NIS would be the greatest! Thanks --- Jan ------------------------------ From: tor@spacetec.no (Tor Arntsen) Subject: Re: To all device driver writers; boot-time Date: 24 Sep 1993 13:32:03 GMT Reply-To: tor@spacetec.no In article lc8@kruuna.Helsinki.FI, wirzeniu@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) writes: > >grif@ucrengr.ucr.edu (Michael Griffith) writes: >> These type of issues have been already taken care of by the syslog >> mechanism. > >How well does syslog work during booting? Seems to work very well, here's an excerpt from my /usr/adm/messages : vmlinux: Console: colour EGA+ 80x25, 8 virtual consoles vmlinux: Serial driver version 3.96 with no serial options enabled vmlinux: tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16450 vmlinux: tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16450 vmlinux: lp_init: lp1 exists (0), using polling driver vmlinux: Configuring Adaptec at IO:330, IRQ 11, DMA priority 5 vmlinux: scsi0 : Adaptec 1542. vmlinux: Adaptec 1542scsi : 1 hosts. vmlinux: Vendor: FUJITSU Model: M2263S-512 Rev: 01A5 vmlinux: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 vmlinux: Detected scsi disk sd0 at scsi0, id 0, lun 0 vmlinux: scsi : detected 1 SCSI disk 0 tapes 0 CD-ROM drives total. vmlinux: Memory: 15140k/16384k available (540k kernel code, 384k reserved, 320k data) vmlinux: Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M, fd1 is 1.2M vmlinux: 3c503 probe at 0x300: 02 60 8C A7 AB 8E vmlinux: eth0: 3C503 with shared memory at 0xcc000-0xcdfff, vmlinux: dl0: D-Link pocket adapter: probe failed at 0x378. vmlinux: Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 16.77 BogoMips (tm) [...] And so on. It logs what gets printed on-screen during boot, basically. >-- >Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi) >It doesn't matter who you are, it's what you do that takes you far. --Madonna --- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Tor Arntsen - Spacetec A.S, N-9005 Tromso, Norway +47-83-84500 | | LA1RHA - tor@spacetec.no (1) - tor@tss.no (2) - tarntsen@bbb.no (3)| | Linux user | | #include | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: pablo@austin.ibm.com (Paul Greenwood) Subject: term between AIX-Linux Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 13:52:47 GMT Has ANYONE every gotten "term" to work between Linux and AIX? I configured term with no problems but when I run the utility programs, they just hang. I sent a note to the developer. He said that he has not had any luck nor heard of anyone that got it working correctly. So, how about it, ANYONE? THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR ALL THE HELP.....!!! -- -- Paul Greenwood -- (pablo@netmail.austin.ibm.com) Beifeld's Principle: The probability of a young man meeting a desirable and ------------------------------ From: pmcgilla@hp.uwsuper.edu (Mr. Patrick L. McGillan) Subject: IPX Router Docs Date: 23 Sep 1993 12:30:18 GMT The documentation metioned for the IPX router specs is available as a postscript file (apprx 50 pages) from 129.123.1.44. This is also netlab2.usu.edu and the path is netwire/novlib/11/ipxrtr.zip I would certainly love to jump in and help, but I am simply swamped in work right now and don't even have time to upgrade to the latest kenels let alone do any development. On my bookshelf I also have the Netware C interface for doing all kinds of server things if you can help by getting the ipx packets out of the machine. Good luck, -- Patrick L. McGillan Computer Systems Specialist University Of Wisconsin Ph: (715) 394-8191 Superior, Wisconsin pmcgilla@uwsuper.edu ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: gnu.gnusenet.test,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.unix.sysv.r3,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,biz.sco.general From: tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) Subject: Re: Need help for a new pc-unix user. Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 13:18:31 GMT tran@f18sun5.nwc.navy.mil (Tri Tran) writes: >Hi all, >Could someone please direct me to a FAQ on how to install/run Unix on >my pc-clones. I'm new to this sort of thing and would like as much >help as I can get. My main concern is the hardware compatibility for >my system; available drivers for my hardware. I've seen linux mention >alot in posting but don't know anything about it. I'm assuming that it >is a popular version of unix for pc? What about Unixware or SCO? >Any help at all is greatly appreciated. Please response by email. >Thanks. >Tri Tran >Hardware configuration: >486DX-50 MB with ISA & VL-bus slots >16 Megs of RAM >UMC chip set >Ultra14F SCSI controller >Diamond Stealth Pro VLB graphic card >Maxtor SCSI hard drives >Mitsumi cd-rom drive Many FAQs, including this one, are available on the archive site rtfm.mit.edu in the directory pub/usenet/news.answers. Hope this help, -- -- Thanh Ma tma@encore.com ------------------------------ From: wirzeniu@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) Subject: Re: /config Date: 24 Sep 1993 17:13:21 +0300 dthumim@athena.mit.edu (Daniel J Thumim) writes: > How's that sound? I'd prefer the following: - forget about /conf - write programs (or just one) that have a good user interface (menus, context sensitive help, and whatnot) and that allow the user to manipulate the so called configuration files (/etc/passwd, /usr/lib/uucp/Systems, /foo/whatnot) - let scripts be as they are now, i.e. they have the ability to include comments, and they need to be edited with an editor (because of the required flexibility) This would have the good effect that it is 100% compatible with the rest of the Unix world (or as close to that as possible), and, if the user interface program is done properly, it can be used with other systems as well (all the world's not a Linux, if you know what I mean; those other systems might have good ideas for a lot of stuff, and I don't have to point out that the more users you have, the more testers you have, and the fewer bugs you have). -- Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi) It doesn't matter who you are, it's what you do that takes you far. --Madonna ------------------------------ From: wirzeniu@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) Subject: Re: To all device driver writers; boot-time Date: 24 Sep 1993 17:16:04 +0300 tor@spacetec.no writes: > And so on. It logs what gets printed on-screen during boot, basically. The question I was asking, was whether it can be used to prevent the chat-level stuff to be printed at all. -- Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi) It doesn't matter who you are, it's what you do that takes you far. --Madonna ------------------------------ From: jim@accelr8.com (Jim Reiss) Subject: SYSV to Linux porting issues Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 21:34:21 GMT I have been porting a large library of routines dependent mostly on System V, and have some questions to ask and some problems to mention (hopefully the problem report will help others). I am using the latest Slackware distribution. First, the questions: 1. Does anyone have implementations of the plock() or lockf() routines? They seem to be missing. 2. Has anyone out there hacked f2c to add the %val() intrinsic function? It is a VMS extension which allows passing arguments by value. A very useful feature, and a very common extension. 3. Is it possible to access the process file system using the standard ioctl names? I can't find PIOCPSINFO and its cousins anywhere. Now, the report: 1. The System V IPC functions shmget, msgget, and semget do not act the same way on Linux when zero is specified in the "flags" argument. While the documentation says that the permissions are set to the low 9 bits of the flags argument, in actuality the permissions do not get changed when zero is specified. Instead, the permissions which were set at resource "creation" are used. For software that relies on this feature, suddenly you get "shmget: no permission" errors. 2. The shmop call apparently does not always return zero when it succeeds. Code which checks for zero thinks it failed, even though it did not return -1 and it really did succeed. 3. The /usr/include/sys/shm.h file should include before . The SHMLBA definition is based on a name in page.h. I guess that's it for now. Overall, the port has been going very smoothly, but there are just some rough spots. Thanks to anyone who can provide any assistance. -- Jim Reiss (jim@accelr8.com) Accelr8 Technology, Denver, Colorado, USA Opinions expressed above are mine. Who else would have them? ------------------------------ From: pablo@austin.ibm.com (Paul Greenwood) Subject: Re: SLAP, was "TERM is a registered trademark" Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 14:17:05 GMT In article <27sf0uINN6m8@unidoct.Chemietechnik.Uni-Dortmund.DE>, sn@plato.chemietechnik.uni-dortmund.de (sn) writes: > jefftep@cs.utexas.edu (Jeffrey Grills) writes: > > >In article <748663680snx@crynwr.com>, Russell Nelson wrote: > >>TERM is a registered trademark of Century Software. > >> > >>Maybe the free "term" package should be called termlink? > >> > >gee, I personally don't see it being a problem. First off, they'd > >have to complain. Second, they'd have to take it up with Michael, > >and he's in Australia. Third, they'ed have to win. > > >Words that are in the common domain are exempt from this kind of thing. > >term is just simply too generic for someone to trademark. It'd be like > >General Motors trademarking "auto" or something.... > > >no way, no how will it stick. > > Also, as far as I know, term development is discontinued and Michael is now > working on "Slap" with similar functionality. > > -Sven Michael told me to check out Slap. I searched using "archie" and found LOTS of places with EMPTY directories. Does anyone know where I can find code? -- -- Paul Greenwood -- (pablo@netmail.austin.ibm.com) Beifeld's Principle: The probability of a young man meeting a desirable and ------------------------------ From: berg@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Stephen R. van den Berg) Subject: Re: [Q] biff and comsat? Date: 24 Sep 1993 14:42:36 GMT In article <1993Sep18.020212.7553@nrao.edu>, Rafal Maszkowski wrote: >Johannes Grosen (grosen@argv.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu) wrote: >: In article <1993Sep16.141819.23697@nrao.edu> rzm@oden.oso.chalmers.se (Rafal Maszkowski) writes: >: >Have anybody ported biff and comsat (are these 2 enough to get >: I have `ported' them to my machine but there really isn't any need if you >: are running `bash' as your shell. Check the `MAIL' and `MAILPATH' >to run it. I tried from both inetd.conf and standalone. As far as I >understand comsat listens on udp 512 - Correct. > but which program is sending >user@offset there? If you simply use procmail as the default mail-delivery agent, it will do the sending for you. Currently, a prerelease version is available (v2.92pre7, v2.92 is due Real Soon Now :-) from ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de as: /pub/unix/procmail-2.92p7.tar.zip (gzip or unzip to decode). -- Sincerely, berg@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Stephen R. van den Berg (AKA BuGless). berg@physik.tu-muenchen.de "My name is Smith, the P is not pronounced." ------------------------------ From: dthumim@athena.mit.edu (Daniel J Thumim) Subject: Re: /config Date: 24 Sep 1993 16:21:08 GMT Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi) writes: > - forget about /conf > - write programs (or just one) that have a good user interface (menus, > context sensitive help, and whatnot) and that allow the user to > manipulate the so called configuration files (/etc/passwd, > /usr/lib/uucp/Systems, /foo/whatnot) > - let scripts be as they are now, i.e. they have the ability to > include comments, and they need to be edited with an editor (because > of the required flexibility) > > This would have the good effect that it is 100% compatible with the > rest of the Unix world (or as close to that as possible), and, if the > user interface program is done properly, it can be used with other > systems as well (all the world's not a Linux, if you know what I > mean; those other systems might have good ideas for a lot of stuff, > and I don't have to point out that the more users you have, the more > testers you have, and the fewer bugs you have). This is basically the same as what I suggested, with the exception that the translators are built in to one utility program for each configuration file. You run the utility, it translates the file into an "easy" format, the user edits it, and it saves back the original file. What I suggested is also 100% compatible with the rest of the Unix world, too! There would be nothing preventing anyone from porting it to other systems. The advantage of having files in /config (or elsewhere if you prefer) is that you can deal with SETS of configuration files which are loaded with redundancies. If you make one change that affects three other config files, then when you "compile" your changes, all the appropriate files will be changed. This ensures consitency of all the config files on the system, something which your method doesn't give. This seems a significnat advantage to me. -- |)an ------------------------------ From: rjust@crl.com (Randy Just) Subject: $25.95 *NEW* Release Yggdrasil CD-ROM Date: 24 Sep 1993 09:35:26 -0700 Yes, the new version of the Yggdrasil LINUX CD-ROM is going to be here on October 1, 1993. This release promises to be the most comprehensive plug-and-play operating system distribution ever. Based on LINUX 0.99.13 kernel, GCC 2.4.5, Xfree86 1.3 (X11R5) X-Windows and hundreds of other programs. The CD-ROM will include 235MB of binaries and 445MB of source code. Also included will be a graphical "fill in the blanks" install interface. Almost all CD-ROM interfaces are now supported including SCSI, Mitsumi, Sony 535, Sony CDU-31A and the Soundblaster compatible drives such as the new double controller. As a special promotional offer, between now and October 1, I am offering the release for $25.95 ea. Between October 1 and November 1, the release will be $27.95. After October 31, the price will be $39.95. Shipping charges for U.S. customers will be $4. 707-769-1648 Just Computers! 707-765-2447 FAX P.O. Box 751414 707-765-1431 BBS Petaluma, CA 94975-1414 rjust@justcomp.com OR rjust@crl.com Visa and Mastercard accepted as well. International orders welcomed!!! ------------------------------ From: ralph@falcon.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ralph Becker-Szendy) Subject: Re: term between AIX-Linux Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 17:06:03 GMT In article pablo@austin.ibm.com (Paul Greenwood) writes: >Has ANYONE every gotten "term" to work between Linux and AIX? > >I configured term with no problems but when I run the utility programs, >they just hang. I sent a note to the developer. He said that he has not >had any luck nor heard of anyone that got it working correctly. So, how >about it, ANYONE? > >THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR ALL THE HELP.....!!! Not me. The first try (compile out of the box) lead to total failure. Several posts in the linux newsgroups suggested using a bsd-like environment (compile with bsdcc, and link with -lbsd before any other library). That makes at least term itself work under AIX, enough to handle exactly one trsh connection. I have also tried compiling with gcc instead of the AIX c-compiler, no improvement. I gave up, since there are enough other computers with non-broken operating systems around (I now run term to a Sun running SunOS 4.1.2 with no problem) There are reports on the newsgroups that AIX's non-blocking serial IO is broken. I don't remember any single post with someone claiming to have term working under AIX. Note that AIX is a very "fuzzy" operating system, with many version, many subversions, and then with literally thousands of PTF's (patches in IBM-language) which can be optionally installed, so success on one AIX machine does not mean that it will work on any other machine. If anyone really has term working, please post: - The exact commands used to compile and link the program - The version of AIX used - When AIX was installed - ALL (and I mean ALL) PTF's which have been applied to this AIX. My above experience is with AIX 3.2, and I'm too lazy to track down the sub-version and the PTFs (we have probably installed hundreds), using cc, bsdcc, and gcc 2.4.5. Note: AIX makes Linux's (and SLS's) system of releases and patches seem civilized. AIX is one completely f***ed up operating system, in my not-very-humble opinion. -- Ralph Becker-Szendy RALPH@SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Stanford Linear Accelerator Center RALPH@SLACVM.BITNET M.S. 95, P.O. Box 4349, Stanford, CA 94309 (415)926-2701 My opinion. This is not SLAC, Stanford U, or the US DoE speaking. Just me. ------------------------------ From: neal@ctd.comsat.com (Neal Becker) Subject: What are libdbm.sa, etc? Date: 24 Sep 1993 17:03:47 GMT My setup is based on SLS, but has a lot of stuff added. I'm looking through my /usr/lib, and I see a lot of strange stuff. There are a number of .sa, like: /usr/lib/{libdbm.sa,libtermcap.sa,libcurses.sa,...} I thought .sa should have a corresponding .so, but these don't. I don't know where these come from. Anyone know? Are they useful? Thanks. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Development-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.development) via: Internet: Linux-Development@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Development Digest ******************************