From: Digestifier To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Sun, 19 Sep 93 05:13:14 EDT Subject: Linux-Admin Digest #65 Linux-Admin Digest #65, Volume #1 Sun, 19 Sep 93 05:13:14 EDT Contents: Re: [Not] enough SLS bashing (Matthew Dillon) Re: [Not] enough SLS bashing (Matthew Dillon) [Q] NIS-Software (YP) for Linux? (Detlev Hilberg) POV ported to LINUX ? (Oliver Pischke) Re: Slackware & TeX? (Eberhard Moenkeberg) NET2HOWTO-CONFUSE-YOU (jP@hpacv.com) pl12, NET2: Carrier drop after SLIP connect (Adam Porter) problem with console driver? (Ed Carp) Re: NET2HOWTO-CONFUSE-YOU (Thomas Pfau) Re: [Not] enough SLS bashing (Andreas Klemm) Memory LEAKING!*=--.._ (jP@hpacv.com) Re: [Not] enough SLS bashing (Gold Silver Soup and Silk) Re: Setting up Small College Computing Services (Robert L. McMillin) Re: NET2HOWTO-CONFUSE-YOU (Gene Choi) [Q] .cshrc?? (for root, that is) (Gold Silver Soup and Silk) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Subject: Re: [Not] enough SLS bashing Date: 18 Sep 1993 09:20:53 -0700 In article <27bbke$if@victrola.wa.com> vince@victrola.wa.com (Vince Skahan) writes: :dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: : :> I suggest that you purchase a 1.44 MB 3.5" drive, then. Not :>necessarily for slackware, but because 3.5" is now the norm. You will find :>yourself closed out of more and more things if all you have are crufty 5.25" :>floppies. : :He said that the problem was that Slackware required a 3.5" (BOOT) disk. :Not that he didn't have a 3.5" floppy. The '386 standard is still the :a: drive as 5.25" in general. : :> Most of our machines don't even have 5.25" floppies any more. 3.5" :>inch stuff is a lot easier to deal with. : :The issue is which one is the a: drive that you boot off of. : :You'll also find that on a per-MB basis, 5.25" is far (!!!) cheaper to buy :than 3.5". This sounds like project hack time, then... buy a DTDP switch and wire the floppy selects so you can swap them. -Matt :-- : ---------- Vince Skahan --------- vince@victrola.wa.com ------------- : "I want to be like Barbie - that B____ has everything" : - Tee-shirt seen in Philadelphia Matthew Dillon dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com 1005 Apollo Way dillon@overload.berkeley.ca.us Incline Village, NV. 89451 ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop) USA Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000 [always include a portion of the original email in any response!] ------------------------------ From: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Subject: Re: [Not] enough SLS bashing Date: 18 Sep 1993 09:24:48 -0700 In article sknkwrks@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu (Scott Alfter) writes: :In article <27a9hp$eao@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: :>In article <930915.201151.2C5.rusnews.w165w@jaiser.rain.com> jerryg@jaiser.rain.com (Jerry Gaiser) writes: :>>All of these have their problems. But until the distributor of Slackware :>>decides to support 5 1/4, I'll have to stick with SLS and MCC. :> :> I suggest that you purchase a 1.44 MB 3.5" drive, then. Not :>necessarily for slackware, but because 3.5" is now the norm. You will find :>yourself closed out of more and more things if all you have are crufty 5.25" :>floppies. :> Most of our machines don't even have 5.25" floppies any more. 3.5" :>inch stuff is a lot easier to deal with. : :3.5" floppies also tend to be much more flaky than 5.25" floppies, at :least in my experience. Among high-density floppies, I've never had a :5.25" disk go bad. I've had several 3.5" disks go bad on me (bad :enough that they can't be reformatted to full capacity). That particular problem has hardly ever occured with me, but I'm careful to use only HD disks in HD drives.. when I have to use a 720K disk in a 1.44MB drive I either only do it for reading, or when I write to it its extremely temporary. My 3.5" disks go bad about as often as my 5.25" disks did. Also, cleaning the drive every once in a while is a good idea :-) Frankly, the compactness of 3.5" disks alone make them worthwhile. -Matt : _/_ Scott Alfter (sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu) Ask me about SoftDAC--digital : / v \ Call the Skunk Works BBS today! audio for your Apple IIe/IIc! :(IIGS( (702) 894-9619 300-14400 V.32bis 1:209/263 Apple II, IBM, Trek, & more! : \_^_/ --==## "Apple II Forever" is a trademark of Apple Computer, Inc. ##==-- Matthew Dillon dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com 1005 Apollo Way dillon@overload.berkeley.ca.us Incline Village, NV. 89451 ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop) USA Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000 [always include a portion of the original email in any response!] ------------------------------ From: hilberg@sophia.th.physik.uni-frankfurt.de (Detlev Hilberg) Subject: [Q] NIS-Software (YP) for Linux? Date: 18 Sep 93 16:57:16 GMT Hello, we tend to set up a low cost Unix-Cluster with Linux. To incorporate these Linux-Boxes into our local Unix-Cluster (AIX) a Network Information System (NIS, formerly called yellow pages) would be useful/necessary. Has anybody out there ported NIS-Software to Linux or is somebody working on this problem? -d'h ............................................................................... Detlev Hilberg hilberg@th.physik.uni-frankfurt.de Institut fuer Theoretische Physik JWG Universitaet Frankfurt/Main (Voice: [+49|0]-69-798-3310, Fax: -8350) ............................................................................... ------------------------------ From: olpi@stud.uni-sb.de (Oliver Pischke) Subject: POV ported to LINUX ? Date: 18 Sep 1993 19:16:33 +0200 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 93 15:15:10 +0100 From: Eberhard_Moenkeberg@p27.rollo.central.de (Eberhard Moenkeberg) Subject: Re: Slackware & TeX? Hello PERUCCI, and all others, on 17.09.93 PERUCCI, PHILIP A. wrote to All in USENET.COMP.OS.LINUX.ADMIN: PP> With Slackware 1.0.2 installed (1 day before 1.0.3 came out !@#$%) I PP> now would like TeX. Anyone know the command to use to install from the PP> SLS T* disks? Type "pkgtool" and answer it's questions. It is only mentioned somewhere in the README_ChangeLog file... But get a new copy of t1, t2, t3 from SLS 1.03 before. Thomas Dunbar was there... :-) Greetings ... Eberhard ------------------------------ From: jP@hpacv.com Subject: NET2HOWTO-CONFUSE-YOU Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1993 14:46:52 GMT [ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux ] [ Author was jP@hpacv.com ] [ Posted on Sat, 18 Sep 1993 14:45:57 GMT ] Hello, I have been using Linux for a while now. Have 3 machines running 99.9 and just decided to upgrade to 99.12 to take advantage of the NET2. So I backed up and did a NEW install (NOT a patch) of 99.12 All went GREAT! All installation was smooth (except for the creation of a mucked-up fstab). Got the net back up and running in less than a few hours, everything is fine until I went to the NET2-HOWTO. NOTHING seems to jive??? There is no /etc/rc.d/rc.inet.1 or 2 nor is there any of the config files referred to in the FAQ. Also on this new system there are links like: /etc -> ./ and all sorts of links to /conf/net which does not exist at all! As I said all is well but I am really confused as to the conflicting info. Is there a "FRESH-INSTALL-FOR-NET2-FAQ" or something somewhere?? Any help or hints as to what is going on would be greatly appreciated. Thanx, postmaster@hpacv.com ------------------------------ From: porter@caip.rutgers.edu (Adam Porter) Subject: pl12, NET2: Carrier drop after SLIP connect Date: 19 Sep 93 01:23:24 GMT Hi folks! I built a pl12 kernel, but now I can't seem to use SLIP. The connection gets established (my address is dynamically allocated) but the carrier gets dropped when dip exits. If I reboot with a pl11 kernel, it works fine. (The connection stays up.) I tried recompiling the net-010 stuff, but it doesn't seem to make a difference. Any suggestions on what's wrong or what I should try? THANKS!!!! -- -- Adam ========================================================================== Adam Porter (porter@caip.rutgers.edu) Systems Programmer, CAIP Rutgers Univ., CoRE 616, Busch Campus, Piscataway, NJ 08855 908/932-0571 ------------------------------ From: erc@khijol.uucp (Ed Carp) Subject: problem with console driver? Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1993 01:32:20 GMT When I cat a file with ANSI escape characters to the screen, it doesn't show the control characters properly! The file in question is /etc/issue. On the console (or any of the virtual tty's) it doesn't show up properly. The ANSI codes (line drawing characters and such) show up as so much junk - but when I dial in or use a straight serial connection, it works just fine! Is the problem in the console driver, or what? I'm confused! Please email to erc@apple.com. Thanks!! -- Ed Carp, N7EKG erc@apple.com 510/659-9560 anon-0001@khijol.uucp If you want magic, let go of your armor. Magic is so much stronger than steel! -- Richard Bach, "The Bridge Across Forever" ------------------------------ From: pfau@coffee.enet.dec.com (Thomas Pfau) Subject: Re: NET2HOWTO-CONFUSE-YOU Date: 18 SEP 93 22:18:45 In article <1993Sep18.144652.280@hpacv.com>, jP@hpacv.com writes... > Got the net back up and running in less than a few hours, everything >is fine until I went to the NET2-HOWTO. > NOTHING seems to jive??? There is no /etc/rc.d/rc.inet.1 or 2 >nor is there any of the config files referred to in the FAQ. > Also on this new system there are links like: /etc -> ./ >and all sorts of links to /conf/net which does not exist at all! Funny, I thought all of this was explained in the NET2-HOWTO. It was in the copy I just used last night to get SLIP running between two machines. Did you install from SLS? There are plenty of notes in the NET2-HOWTO explaining how SLS is different. It also explains how to straighten out the mess. tom_p ====================================================================== pfau@coffee.enet.dec.com | Mapmaker's disclaimer: 16.69.208.195 | 'Not responsible for topographical Compuserve: 73303,1136 | errors.' ====================================================================== ------------------------------ From: andreas@knobel.knirsch.de (Andreas Klemm) Subject: Re: [Not] enough SLS bashing Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1993 23:54:36 GMT jerryg@jaiser.rain.com (Jerry Gaiser) writes: >grif@ucrengr.ucr.edu (Michael Griffith) writes: >> In article <1993Sep10.041506.8617@cc.gatech.edu> byron@cc.gatech.edu >> (Byron A Jeff) writes: >> >>>But that's exactly the point Jon is trying to make. When someone attempted >>>to improve on SLS (with copywrite notices and SLS attributions galore) >>>Peter posted a rant and rave about how SLS is his and nobody should use his >>>precious scripts. >>> >>>BTW check out Slackware 1.02 with it's own new scripts. Really cool. >> >> Slackware already works very nicely. Debian sounds like a great idea. >> MCC advocates are practically violent about how great MCC is. Next >> time try another distribution and see how you like it. >Well, I don't know about Slackware, because it requires me to have a 3 1/2 >inch diskette to boot and, believe it or not, I don't. >So for _some_ of us Slackware is worthless. >All of these have their problems. But until the distributor of Slackware >decides to support 5 1/4, I'll have to stick with SLS and MCC. But you don't get the stuff onto one 5 1/4" floppy. Buy a 3 1/2" floppy and everything will be fine ... -- /-\ Andreas Klemm +-----------------+ |@|########################################################-@ "pay for it !" | \-/ 41469 Neuss Germany phone +49/ 2137 12609 +-----------------+ ------------------------------ From: jP@hpacv.com Subject: Memory LEAKING!*=--.._ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1993 22:02:25 GMT Hello! Just installed SLS 0.99.12 and hooked that baby right up to the net. All went great and life was good UNTIL I did a top or a free. Here output RIGHT after bootup! HELP! I'm missing 15 meg! Check this out........... Here's the free output: total used free shared buffers Mem: 14964 13792 1172 1856 10696 Swap: 0 0 0 Here's the top output: Load Averages 0.74 0.33 0.35 17 processes: 16 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 6.5% user, 0.0% nice, 12.2% system, 81.3% idle Mem: 14964K av, 13840K used, 1124K free, 1928K shrd, 10688 buff ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ Swap: 0K av, 0K used, 0K free PID USER PRI NI SIZE RES SHRD ST %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 1663 root 13 0 80 260 320 R 18.7 1.7 0:00 top 1 root 29 0 48 216 280 S 0.0 1.4 0:01 init auto 3 root 25 0 7 72 228 S 0.0 0.4 0:24 /etc/update 61 root 29 0 374 308 224 S 0.0 2.0 0:02 -sh 84 root 29 0 374 308 224 S 0.0 2.0 0:01 -sh 35 root 29 0 60 144 252 S 0.0 0.9 0:00 /etc/portmap 39 root 29 0 60 208 276 S 0.0 1.3 0:00 /etc/inetd 43 root 29 0 109 284 276 S 0.0 1.8 0:00 /etc/named 47 root 29 0 100 300 348 S 0.0 2.0 0:00 /etc/nfsd -f /etc/exp 51 root 29 0 84 288 344 S 0.0 1.9 0:00 /etc/mountd 69 root 29 0 56 176 260 S 0.0 1.1 0:00 /usr/bin/crond 59 root 29 0 41 188 280 S 0.0 1.2 0:00 syslogd 83 root 29 0 374 304 220 S 0.0 2.0 0:00 -sh 82 root 29 0 372 304 220 S 0.0 2.0 0:00 -sh 81 root 29 0 54 196 300 S 0.0 1.3 0:00 /etc/getty 9600 tty5 67 root 29 0 54 196 300 S 0.0 1.3 0:00 /etc/getty 9600 tty6 1497 root 29 0 54 196 300 S 0.0 1.3 0:00 /etc/getty 9600 ttyS0 Any help at all is GREATLY appreciated! Thanx, postmaster@hpacv.com ------------------------------ From: jmadison@etsun.tech.iupui.edu (Gold Silver Soup and Silk) Subject: Re: [Not] enough SLS bashing Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1993 02:33:24 GMT In article <27fcog$jj9@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: > > That particular problem has hardly ever occured with me, but I'm careful >to use only HD disks in HD drives.. when I have to use a 720K disk in a >1.44MB drive I either only do it for reading, or when I write to it its that's my problem. it's always the HD that go bad on me. the 720K's usually work like a charm (of course in a HD disk drive). it's a rare occasion that i can get a 1.44M diskette to last more than a month (i do heavy disk-computer switching, though.) > > Frankly, the compactness of 3.5" disks alone make them worthwhile. > > -Matt > > > Matthew Dillon dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com > 1005 Apollo Way dillon@overload.berkeley.ca.us > Incline Village, NV. 89451 ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop) > USA Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000 > [always include a portion of the original email in any response!] -jonM -- jmadison@etsun.tech.iupui.edu <>< DJ AllStar of tha foolz(?)...comin' soon (we hope!) get Linux OS, it's dope! it's free! it's UNIX! ------------------------------ From: rlm@helen.surfcty.com (Robert L. McMillin) Subject: Re: Setting up Small College Computing Services Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1993 04:02:49 GMT On 16 Sep 1993 17:11:48 GMT, mjones@largo.eecs.umich.edu (Matthew C. Jones) said: > A friend of mine (Dennis Williams) will soon be taking a position > teaching at a small liberal arts college in Oklahoma. Currently > the school has no Internet access and minimal computing services. > Dennis would like to change that. ... [stuff deleted about an initial Linux-based setup] > Is this reasonable/workable? What kind of time commitment is > required to administer such a setup? How many users can it > reasonably support? As a history PhD, with moderate computing > skills, is Dennis crazy to try and do this? Yes. He will need to become *extremely* fluent in Unix to make things work, particularly if he's installing SLS from scratch. Good luck. -- Robert L. McMillin | Surf City Software | rlm@helen.surfcty.com | Dude! "It's okay to stare at my ear. I know you can't help it." -- Bongo ------------------------------ From: genie@con.Berkeley.EDU (Gene Choi) Subject: Re: NET2HOWTO-CONFUSE-YOU Date: 19 Sep 1993 08:27:37 GMT In article <1993Sep18.144652.280@hpacv.com> jP@hpacv.com writes: >[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux ] >[ Author was jP@hpacv.com ] >[ Posted on Sat, 18 Sep 1993 14:45:57 GMT ] > >Hello, > I have been using Linux for a while now. Have 3 machines running >99.9 and just decided to upgrade to 99.12 to take advantage of the NET2. > So I backed up and did a NEW install (NOT a patch) of 99.12 > All went GREAT! All installation was smooth (except for the creation >of a mucked-up fstab). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NO IT DID NOT. You installed NET-2 code over SLS's old networking code. > Got the net back up and running in less than a few hours, everything >is fine until I went to the NET2-HOWTO. > NOTHING seems to jive??? There is no /etc/rc.d/rc.inet.1 or 2 >nor is there any of the config files referred to in the FAQ. > Also on this new system there are links like: /etc -> ./ >and all sorts of links to /conf/net which does not exist at all! > As I said all is well but I am really confused as to the conflicting >info. Is there a "FRESH-INSTALL-FOR-NET2-FAQ" or something somewhere?? > Any help or hints as to what is going on would be greatly appreciated. > Thanx, > postmaster@hpacv.com > This is what happens when you install NET-2 over SLS tcpip. Don't do it! You'll have to change all the links so they are created, instead of just warnings that file already exists, etc. Basically this means you have to do everything manually, figuring out while files to erase, etc. A pain yes. If you read the NET-2 FAQ VERY CAREFULLY (word for word) and create the proper directories/erase all impertenant ones, you will eventually get it installed correctly. Either that or go erase everything in your HD and install a properly configured NET-2 package (such as Slackware). -Gene ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: jmadison@etsun.tech.iupui.edu (Gold Silver Soup and Silk) Subject: [Q] .cshrc?? (for root, that is) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1993 05:05:03 GMT don't know if this is the right place to ask, but anyway: since i've installed(tookoff&reinstalled) linux on my system, i've been trying to figure out where it gets the root's aliases, etc. from. i can't find a .*rc (.cshrc like) file anywhere. where is it? or is it built in & needs a program to modify it? please help. -jon'Newbie'M -- jmadison@etsun.tech.iupui.edu <>< DJ AllStar of tha foolz(?)...comin' soon (we hope!) get Linux OS, it's dope! it's free! it's UNIX! ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Admin-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.admin) via: Internet: Linux-Admin@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Admin Digest ******************************