From: Digestifier To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Mon, 13 Sep 93 16:13:44 EDT Subject: Linux-Admin Digest #58 Linux-Admin Digest #58, Volume #1 Mon, 13 Sep 93 16:13:44 EDT Contents: CRON jobs not running (Bill Heiser) UUCP connection troubles (Bill Heiser) Re: building kernel WITHOUT sound support (Bill Heiser) Re: [Q] flexfax setup/permissions (Rick) Re: BBS for Linux! (Chris Nystrom) Re: Install on a ARC Pentium (Stefan Joachim) Re: RPC time out ? (Tilo Schuerer) Re: Problems connecting a terminal (C. G. Albone) Back to the problem (was Re: Install on a ARC Pentium) (Joerg Scheurich) Re: Enough SLS bashing (Re: Install on a ARC Pentium) (Olaf Titz) Re: Install on a ARC Pentium (Tuomas J Lukka) Re: Enough SLS bashing (Re: Install on a ARC Pentium) (Byron A Jeff) NFS performance (Enrico Scotoni) "Warning: old IOCTL error" at bootup (Keith Mancus) named broken by ALPHA-pl13 (Johannes Grosen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bill@unixland.ci.net (Bill Heiser) Subject: CRON jobs not running Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 00:00:27 GMT I'm wondering, has anyone else run into problems where CRON jobs don't all seem to run? I have a number of crontab entries, some of which run, others of which don't ever seem to do anything. Is cron in .99P12 (SLS 1.03) flakey? -- Bill Heiser heiser@world.std.com bill@unixland.ci.net (unixland is a private home system) ------------------------------ From: bill@unixland.ci.net (Bill Heiser) Subject: UUCP connection troubles Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 00:06:29 GMT I've been running into a case where I have troubles establishing a UUCP connection (using .99P12 [SLS 1.03]). Whenever I initiate a poll using "uusched -x 2 -S systemname" (2 or higher), it works fine. However if I don't use the debug flag, when the modems connect no login takes place. I'd just turn debugging on, but am not sure how to get elm to send that flag to uucp (uux?). I set the -x2 flag on all of the "uux" lines in my smail "transports" file, but they don't seem to make a difference. This only happens with one system I call (which happens to be another LINUX .99P12 machine). One other system I call is OK. But one *other* system I call fails to establish uucp protocol. The errors are as follows: uucp other-system (9/12-06:35:40,3219,0) DEBUG: fgsend_control: Sending control INITA uucp other-system (9/12-06:35:40,3219,0) DEBUG: fgsend_control: Sending control INITA uucp other-system (9/12-06:35:40,3219,0) DEBUG: fgsend_control: Sending control INITA uucp other-system (9/12-06:35:40,3219,0) DEBUG: fgsend_control: Sending control INITA uucp other-system (9/12-06:35:40,3219,0) DEBUG: fgsend_control: Sending control INITA uucp other-system (9/12-06:35:40,3219,0) DEBUG: fgsend_control: Sending control INITA uucp other-system (9/12-06:35:40,3219,0) DEBUG: fgsend_control: Sending control INITA uucp other-system (9/12-06:35:40,3219,0) DEBUG: fgsend_control: Sending control INITA uucp other-system (9/12-06:35:40,3219,0) DEBUG: fgstart: Protocol startup failed What's going on with UUCP in P12? Thanks in advance. Bill -- Bill Heiser heiser@world.std.com bill@unixland.ci.net (unixland is a private home system) ------------------------------ From: bill@unixland.ci.net (Bill Heiser) Subject: Re: building kernel WITHOUT sound support Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 00:11:18 GMT In article <26bjd9$62u@jac.nuo.dec.com> pfau@coffee.enet.dec.com (Thomas Pfau) writes: >In article <26atc9$i46@news.bu.edu>, heiser@bumetb.bu.edu (Bill Heiser) >writes... >Is it complaining about a sound driver or CD ROM driver? >If the latter, try the following: > cd /usr/src/linux/kernel/blk_drv > mv sbpcd.c sbpcd.x >Then edit the makefile. Look for the line that defines OBJS. At the end >of this line you will see 'sbpcd.o'. Remove it. Then try your build >again. Thanks but there must be more to it than that. I made that change, but the same symptoms persisted. Also I am wondering, when a new kernel rev comes out, will the patch not apply correctly if I've made changes like this to the kernel source tree? Thanks Bill -- Bill Heiser heiser@world.std.com bill@unixland.ci.net (unixland is a private home system) ------------------------------ From: pclink@qus102.qld.tne.oz.au (Rick) Subject: Re: [Q] flexfax setup/permissions Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 01:07:18 GMT root@hip-hop.suvl.ca.us (Remco Treffkorn) writes: >I have flexfax patched and compiled. It kinda works. All of the problems >I can see so far seem to be related to permission problems. The install >scripts seem to be a bit messy, the makefiles did not work without further >tweaking. Who knows what I messed up. >My modem is recognized and installed as /dev/cua1. Most of the syslog info >points to permissions. >flexfax-2.2beta5.tar.gz patched with flexfax-linux.tar.gz. >My kernel is pl12. The latest version is beta051. The program's author is busily tidying up loose ends, and the official release (in about a week) will compile out of the box on linux - no install/makefile tweaking neccessary. The kernel requires a minor patch to make FIFO's work like they're supposed to, and this is included - see port/linux/README. Rick. ------------------------------ From: ccn@underg.ucf.org (Chris Nystrom) Subject: Re: BBS for Linux! Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 22:23:55 GMT In article <1993Sep11.160641.308@krikkit1.apana.org.au> matt@krikkit1.apana.org.au (Matt McLeod) writes: >You could just allow the bbs software to call external programs. Then for >Internet mail elm is called, while nn or tin (or whatever) gets called for >news. Not too difficult, I'd expect. > >As for Unix editors, take a look at joe (it comes with the SLS distribution). >It uses WordStar style keys (^K^B to mark blocks, etc) This is what I did. Not hard at all. Login to bbs in sig as guest. Go to the shell then to /usr/local/bin and grab all the bbs.* scripts if you like what you see. BBS is evolving rapidly since it is just shell scripts. Now I am working on a simple line editor for the bbs using shell scripts. -- Underground Computing Foundation Public Access Linux -=- (512) 339-8221 ------------------------------ From: stefan@donald.ruhr.de (Stefan Joachim) Subject: Re: Install on a ARC Pentium Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 02:00:19 GMT Jeffrey Wescott '95 (wescott@olive.cs.bucknell.edu) wrote: : In article <1993Sep7.175715.4259@spatzi.rni.sub.org> stm@spatzi.rni.sub.org (Arno Strittmatter) writes: : > I tryed to install Linux 99pl12 SLS 1.03 on an ARC Pentium System : > it did not work! : bla bla bla : I refuse to help the people plagued by SLS.... : bla bla bla HEY MAN! When you prefer MCC instead of SLS, it's your problem. But in this case, a guy tries to install SLS, has a problem and needs some help. - You can and want help him -> fine !! - You won't because you dislike SLS ?? -> it's your choice, but PLEASE don't behave so arrogant. SLS works for me (100% perfect) and i don't see a reason to change. (when you are unable to install it - it's your problem, not SLS's) To the other crazy guy (Tuomas Lukka) : 1.) I never saw *YOU* help, too, and 2.) Ever thought about the possibility to help via email instead of posting hints? TO PHIL RICHARDS: Oh, wait! If i ring a mercedes-repair-service, i really don't expect, they'll fix my buick. BUT : If i have a problem concerning LINUX, i'd post it in a LINUX-group. (and there's no c.o.l.SLS or c.o.l.MCC available) ;-) hope i'll never have to read such BULLSHIT here anymore, Stefan -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hast Du MINIMAX im Haus, bekommst Du jedes Feuer aus, | stefan@donald.ruhr.de aber MINIMAX ist Mist, wenn Du nicht zuhause bist. | loc : gelsenkirchen ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: tilo@cs.tu-berlin.de (Tilo Schuerer) Subject: Re: RPC time out ? Date: 13 Sep 1993 07:37:02 GMT In article <26qg2m$k9e@Emerald.Oz.nthu.edu.tw>, u800420@Winkie.Oz.nthu.edu.tw (Yu_hong Hsu) writes: > There are three NFS mounts in my fstab. > Everytime the Linux boots , the first one will always be mounted. > But the other two won't! And it will left this kind of message: > rpc mount : RPC time out > > Is there anyone who could tell me how to solve this problem? Sorry, no answer. But I got exactly the same problem. I realized that I can try to mount the second or third "NFS-partition" may be 10 minutes later and this will sometimes run!!! On the other hand I saw the mount-daemon on my NFS-server (LINUX too) crashing my whole system when taking more than 97% of my CPU-time. After killing the mountd and restarting it, I sometimes can mount more than one "NFS-partition". Tilo ------------------------------ From: chrisa@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (C. G. Albone) Subject: Re: Problems connecting a terminal Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 08:12:26 GMT In article <26op7s$5a8@s30202.esu.edu> kender@esu.edu writes: >I have an old burroughs terminal (that has a psuedo-vt100 compatability mode >it looks like) that I'd like to use on my roommate's linux box. It's a >486/33 running .99pl9. I know the terminal will work with his setup, because >we had it running last year (He took the computer, i took the terminal for >the summer). However, we cannot get the terminal to run now. I have hooked >up the terminal to an external modem, and confirmed that it still works. >Some notes: > 1) Yes, we DO have a null modem, this is our setup: > terminal-nullmodem-cable-computer > 2) We are using 3 (out of 4) comports, here are the setups: > comport1 (ttys0), irq 4 - mouse > comport2 (ttys1), irq 5 - internal 14.4 modem > comport4 (ttys3), irq 3 - terminal > 3) The computer is recieving FROM the termial, i.e. > we can connect kermit to ttys3, and read what is > typed on the terminal, but we cannot send stuff to > the terminal. > 4) We had this problem last year, but can't remember > what we did to get around it. We got this far with a televideo... even to the stage that we could get chars to./from the terminal. Getty/login would not cooperate hoever. Suggesstions that we got were not to use a null modem cable (wouldnt work) and to try and spawn getty by hand. This, we found didnt work either. Hmm Getty would be disabled by init because it respawned too quickly. I think that it is something to do with the control signals are not what getty wants to see. We havent foudn a way of getting getty to accept what it sees however. not much help i know.. chris ------------------------------ From: zrzm0370@helpdesk.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Joerg Scheurich) Subject: Back to the problem (was Re: Install on a ARC Pentium) Date: 13 Sep 1993 09:45:49 GMT >> > I tryed to install Linux 99pl12 SLS 1.03 on an ARC Pentium System >> > it did not work! The Bord was a combitype EISA / VLB, 1542C 32MB RAM >> > It hanged at boottime after that line whis trying Alib.... I don't want to stop your flame wars about distributions, but: What may be the reason for the hang ? What is Alib ? If it is a scsi-driver, a other kernel without scsi-support will help. If it is a soundcard-driver, a other kernel without this support will help. I can't see any need for a Alib on a EISA / VLB ... so long MUFTI ------------------------------ From: uknf@rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Olaf Titz) Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: Enough SLS bashing (Re: Install on a ARC Pentium) Date: 13 Sep 1993 13:00:29 GMT In article <1993Sep12.133620.21239@cc.gatech.edu>, Byron A Jeff wrote: > Point 2 - Peter is distributing GNU copylefted software with his now non > copylefted scripts. This is a violation of the GPL. This isn't necessarily true. You can argue that since the broken (;-) install scripts of his own vintage and the copylefted programs (e.g. Linux kernel, gcc) he happens to package on the same set of disks are completely distinct programs which don't depend in any way on each other, he can do what he wants. Nothing in the scripts is a derived work of GPLed software (as far as I'm aware). Btw., there is other non-GPL software on the SLS disks too - Berkeley stuff or smail, for an example. Olaf -- olaf titz o olaf@bigred.ka.sub.org praetorius@irc comp.sc.student _>\ _ s_titz@ira.uka.de LINUX - the choice karlsruhe germany (_)<(_) uknf@dkauni2.bitnet of a GNU generation what good is a photograph of you? everytime i look at it it makes me feel blue ------------------------------ From: lukka@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tuomas J Lukka) Subject: Re: Install on a ARC Pentium Date: 13 Sep 1993 16:09:26 +0300 In article <1993Sep13.020019.370@donald.ruhr.de>, Stefan Joachim wrote: >Jeffrey Wescott '95 (wescott@olive.cs.bucknell.edu) wrote: >: In article <1993Sep7.175715.4259@spatzi.rni.sub.org> stm@spatzi.rni.sub.org (Arno Strittmatter) writes: > >: > I tryed to install Linux 99pl12 SLS 1.03 on an ARC Pentium System >: > it did not work! > > >: bla bla bla >: I refuse to help the people plagued by SLS.... >: bla bla bla > >HEY MAN! >When you prefer MCC instead of SLS, it's your problem. >But in this case, a guy tries to install SLS, has a problem and needs >some help. > - You can and want help him -> fine !! > - You won't because you dislike SLS ?? -> it's your choice, > but PLEASE don't behave so arrogant. >SLS works for me (100% perfect) and i don't see a reason to change. >(when you are unable to install it - it's your problem, not SLS's) Well, the thing is, some of us find that the best solution to SLS installation problems is to go for MCC. Are you sure that the guy really wants to install just SLS? For beginners in unix, MCC might be a lot easier to digest, install and so on. There's even DOCUMENTATION! >To the other crazy guy (Tuomas Lukka) : >1.) I never saw *YOU* help, too, and >2.) Ever thought about the possibility to help via email instead of > posting hints? Maybe I am crazy, but I just don't see why suggesting the use of an alternative release and an offer to help him with it via email could be considered offensive. I also find that suggesting a non-SLS release would be of the greatest help to many people. So he actually could and wanted to help him with his problem. 1.) I help when any time I see a question that I can answer and a hundred others can't. It doesn't happen too often, but it does. 2.) This is why c.o.l.* are writeonly groups. It's usually better to post, so the information may be shared by the FAQ maintainers, others having the same problem and people knowing better so they can correct you. Let me quote you again >SLS works for me (100% perfect) and i don't see a reason to change. >(when you are unable to install it - it's your problem, not SLS's) The second sentence of these is the more arrogant one. Many people know how SLS is and how it compares to MCC... it's your problem, yes, but your problem is the use of SLS. I really think I should stop posting on this thread, but some of the things said are just too heavy to digest. Tjl ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss From: byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) Subject: Re: Enough SLS bashing (Re: Install on a ARC Pentium) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 13:56:32 GMT In article <271qtd$iqo@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, Olaf Titz wrote: >In article <1993Sep12.133620.21239@cc.gatech.edu>, >Byron A Jeff wrote: > >> Point 2 - Peter is distributing GNU copylefted software with his now non >> copylefted scripts. This is a violation of the GPL. > >This isn't necessarily true. You can argue that since the broken (;-) >install scripts of his own vintage and the copylefted programs (e.g. >Linux kernel, gcc) he happens to package on the same set of disks are >completely distinct programs which don't depend in any way on each >other, he can do what he wants. Nothing in the scripts is a derived >work of GPLed software (as far as I'm aware). Unfortunately the install scripts just don't happen to be on the disk. They are not only an integral part of the distribution, they are the KEY part of the distribution. Therefore they must be included under the GPL or not be distributed at all. > >Btw., there is other non-GPL software on the SLS disks too - Berkeley >stuff or smail, for an example. Key difference: No one is trying to restrict their distribution. Moot point anyway. Soon there will be enough different distributions that it won't matter anyway. If SLS continues to have problems people will stop using it. If if isn't used then folks will stop answering questions about it not out of meanness but simply because they won't know the answers due to not using the distributions. The real question I have is: Does Peter really care since we are not the source of his funds? He gives away SLS and sells support. Folks who pay for support get their answers and their problems fixed. It seems that netters are left high and dry in SLS land. Anyway this is my last post of the subject. Use Slackware, use Debian, use MCC, even use SLS. It doesn't really matter. Just please stop saying that "it's free, so don't complain" or "Peter is trying real hard." when in fact SLS could be as solid a product as the others. Later, BAJ --- Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of... Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel! Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu ------------------------------ From: scoti@gccs.imp.com (Enrico Scotoni) Subject: NFS performance Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 07:59:00 +0200 > So, linux copies to the sun in 1:08, vs amiga to sun in 13. > That's what I call a performance problem! And it is clear from > my > presentation here that linux<->sun is not limited by hardware. > Is anyone having the same performance problem? Is there a > solution? I didn't do any tests as accurate as you did. But I moved my complete /usr to a NFS mounted drive on a dec-utlrix 3100. And from this time on, rebuilding the kernel (/usr/src/linux) using gcc (/usr/lib/....) took me about 1h20m as opposed before about 20m. Before reading your msg I was always thinking it is the ultrix system to blame, but now ? (in fact I always first suspect the problem not on Linux, but on the other system :-) Enrico Scotoni ------------------------------ From: Keith.Mancus@launchpad.unc.edu (Keith Mancus) Subject: "Warning: old IOCTL error" at bootup Date: 13 Sep 1993 19:30:02 GMT I recently installed the NET-2 tar files on my 0.99.10 setup. The basic 99.10 continues to work fine, but at boot time I get a stream of "Warning: old IOCTL error" messages, apparently from /etc/inet/rc.net. Has anyone else seen this? Should I upgrade to 0.99.12, or is there a simpler fix? My ultimate goal is to use SLIP with minimal fuss, but I don't have the SLIP feed yet and would prefer to get the Linux problems out of the way first. Email to . -Keith -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 ------------------------------ From: grosen@argv.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu (Johannes Grosen) Subject: named broken by ALPHA-pl13 Date: 13 Sep 93 19:35:14 GMT Since upgrading to ALPHA-pl13 named seems to be broken. Name lookups fail and my backup nameserver is queried instead. Is anyone else having this problem? I am running the standard net-2 distribution (not the one under development). -- Johannes Grosen grosen@argv.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu System Administrator Intelligent Systems Cluster, Room 244 IACC Building North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND USA 51805 (701) 237-8282 ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Admin-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.admin) via: Internet: Linux-Admin@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Admin Digest ******************************