From: Digestifier To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 00:02:51 EDT Subject: Linux-Admin Digest #45 Linux-Admin Digest #45, Volume #1 Wed, 8 Sep 93 00:02:51 EDT Contents: POLL RESULTS, PART6/7 (Matthew Dillon) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development Subject: POLL RESULTS, PART6/7 Date: 7 Sep 1993 18:52:07 -0700 ==================== VIDEO MONITOR ======================= BRAND SIZE $$$$ ? ? ? ATTRIBS good enough for home (stable pictures) BRAND SIZE $$$$ "IMP Data" (Swedish reseller) 15" I paid 100$ PROBS No cable delievered with it. Soldered it myself. ATTRIBS It isn't steady (which is why it was cheap). "reseller-brand-sticker-on-top ~16-20 ? PROBS Connects with RGB + Vsync + Hsync coaxials. No cable included. (Got it from relative's engineering company. It has broken picture distortion correction circuits. (Should be quite easy to fix when I get to it but if works quite well anyway). Anyway ever tried to ATTRIBS Different size/position settings for different input frequencies. (+) Coax connectors. (Actually a +++ but in my case a -) (pell) Impression, (downbelow) (both) 14 inch (pell) with sys ?? 14inch. ?? PROBS Seems to have a under sized power supply. the size of the image get smaller as more white(bright) is displayed. AAmazing 14" (1024x768 m ?? Aamazing 14" n/a (came with PROBS n/a ATTRIBS I like it Aamazing 14" n/a (came with PROBS n/a ATTRIBS I like it Aamazing 1024x768NI 14" ?? PROBS Blew a timing chip when I got the X video timings wrong... Works fine with standard timings ATTRIBS Cheap, small, low refresh rate. Bottom of the line. Acer 17" $1250 AcerView 34T 14" $310 ATTRIBS Appears larger than a 14" BRAND SIZE $$$$ ADC ? ? ATTRIBS Pretty dull, slightly askew. ADI 14 package deal PROBS This is a "tri-sync" not a multi-sync. I therefore can't safely mess with the timing (not an issue with X8514) ATTRIBS Tri-sync is a little strange. every other line in a xterm window will be tall or short for example a : on one line will have the dots very close the next line (after a scroll) they will be far apart. This may be an X problem since I remeber it under ms-windows. ADI 15 ? ATTRIBS Low radiation, crisp, good color, digital control. ADI 4A 15" $600 ADI 5A MicroScan 17" $1000 PROBS None ATTRIBS edges are not perfectly straight. cheap. becomes fuzzy at 1280x1024 60Hz AOC 17 $700 ATTRIBS I like the price I don't like the image quality at the right and left screen borders, and it seems not to be very tolerant in the sync puls timings. Documentation was not very good for configuring X (timings missing) AOC 14" part of the dea ATTRIBS Good monitor. AOC 17" 1600 DM AOC 14" ? ATTRIBS Cheapo duff monitor. Upgrading to a better (and bigger) monitor would extract much more performance from the card, I feel. AOC CM335 14" ? PROBS Initially none. Recently there seem to be synchronisation problems when the hardware is "cold". I've not yet been able to locate them (since I'm planning on upgrade the entire video block, it seems like a waste of time to investigate it further). ATTRIBS There's a serious distortion near the vertical edges of the screen. In graphical modes, changing the color of an object has quite noticalble impact to the size of the image. I'm looking into buying a good 17" monitor to accompany the abovementioned ATI GUP. AOC mod. 17 (ni 1024*768) 14 400$ PROBS none (except when i was fiddling in the config:-)) ATTRIBS nice colors; and i didn't have to make any changes. AOG? 14 $100 PROBS none ATTRIBS outdated monitor by todays standards Berlinea 14 inch 500 DM Builtin LCD ? ? Can't remember 14" $350 ? ATTRIBS Its a cheapo Non-Interlaced screen, not quite up to 1024x768 under X :-( CDP-1304 13 in included with t ATTRIBS nice colors ;) Citizen Pro14i 14" $1300, new, in ATTRIBS Nice flat and sharp display. Too small, too much flicker (interlaced at 1024x768). Runs 800x600 at 70 Hz, adequate. Compaq 15" (non-interl $450 PROBS None. ATTRIBS Unexceptional. It's a good monitor for the price. Compaq 14 ? Compucon 15" AUS$450 BRAND SIZE $$$$ Cordata 14" $325 CPS-Proscan 1560 15" Unknown (bundle CrystalScan 1024NI 14" :-( ? ATTRIBS Hard to look at fonts smaller than 10x20, but that's probably due to the monitor size. 10x20 is slightly fuzzy. CrystalScan NI 14" $300 PROBS Plug and chug ATTRIBS Takes up too much room. The stand, while nice if you have the room is too big for my desk. CTX 17" ? ATTRIBS Has switch PC/Macintosh video input CTX 15 $450 ATTRIBS Big display area. the biggest prob. is that the dig. controls don't have enough span in settings. CTX 15" $400 ATTRIBS Very crisp display. Uses microprocessor control so all modes can be stretched to fit the FST tube, so I get MUCH more screen real estate than a regular 14" monitor. It's a bit slow responding to mode changes, loses sync for a second. ctx 14in $400 ATTRIBS None. ctx 14in $400 ATTRIBS None. CTX 14" $289 PROBS No problems! ATTRIBS Full autosync, syncs very quickly for a non-CPU'd monitor. Specs say it's good to 1024x768, but I've successfully pushed it to 1280x1024, with a little veritcal shrinking. CTX 14" diagonal ? ATTRIBS Monitor is only edge to edge in Y dimension. Would prefer one that is also edge to edge in X dimension. CTX 14 or 15 $300 ATTRIBS Gives me a headache when using resolutions over 640x480. (But it was cheap...) I only use higher resolutions when previewing TeX dox, using xfig, or something similar. CTX Taxan 14" 14 ? CTX (5480?) 14" Included (?) PROBS None. This is a great monitor, which I hear sells pretty cheap. ATTRIBS It has ALL controls, and, they are ALL placed in front where I can get to them. It has excellent crispness, and, it fits nicely in the cubbyhole I have for a monitor. CTX 14" (CVP-5468) 364(W)x370(H)x3 300 USD ATTRIBS It's cheap, and its display is the best in that pricerange (here) CTX 1561 15" $600 CDN ATTRIBS flat screen, useable space goes to edge of monitor screen bright display CTX CPS-1560/LR 15 Inclusive in co PROBS None ATTRIBS Dislikes: Small amount of pincushion distortion on RHS of screen Display jumps slightly when opening/closing bright windows => dodgy voltage control Dan (?) 14" ? ATTRIBS Good stable monitor, nothing exceptional Dell 14" Included in sys DELL 14 ? BRAND SIZE $$$$ Dell (probably OEM). 16 inch $450 ATTRIBS .31 dot pitch is a little annoying. DELL Ultrascan (made by anothe 14" ?? PROBS None ATTRIBS Sharp display, bust off a bit around the edges. Good refresh rates of around 72Hz Dell Ultrascan 15FS (Mitsubish 15" $540 ATTRIBS Flat screen, cheap for the size, front controls, I could buy it at cost (cheap anyways). Eizo 9070S Cheap SVGA clone 16" 14" $1250 $250 PROBS The cheapo clone is a pain to get working right. Change mode and you have to twiddle all the knobs again. ATTRIBS The Eizo is great, crisp and sharp. The cheapo ... well you pay for what you get. EIZO F550i 17" ATS18000 ($1800 PROBS No problems, really nice thing! ATTRIBS Has a automatic power down feature, can store various video-signal configuration settings EIZO F550i-w (NANAO in us) 17" $ 1400 PROBS none! ATTRIBS power save feature, 5 minutes after screen saver blacks screen monitor will go to standby situation, will come 'ON" again when screen blanker is cleared (by pressing a key) Eizo/Nanao F550i-M 17in (max. 15.6 DM 2300.- ATTRIBS Moire patterns, but they can be removed by tuning the size of the screen. The monitor memorizes up to 30 different settings and detects them automatically, syncs horiz 30-65 kHz, vert. 55-90Hz and beeps, when video signal is out of specs (NO harm!). Adjusting screen size to remove moire patterns can reduce visible screen size considerably! Other than that, the picture is sharp and clear, and the colors good, and with the high refresh rate (>= 77Hz) rock solid. ELSA (german) 20" $2.950 ATTRIBS extremely sharp display (Trinitron tube), very high bandwith (135MHz), >85 Hz vertical freq with 1024 or 1280 modes Escom (german vendor) 14 " 800 DM (~500 US PROBS Now a very weak monitor. Bad display and not able to display frequencies above 32 KHz. Even 800x600 at 35 Hz would not work if I look at the data sheet. ATTRIBS None: ESCOM (manufactured by Taxan) 17 $1000 PROBS ET4000 to slow to push the monitor to its limits (max Clock 65 MHz) looking forward to en ELSA Winner 1000 ATTRIBS sharp, flat, Sony tube, cheap adjusting is mess, because the knobs and dials are on the right hand side, where noone can see them Escom (VGA, not multi-sync) 14 ? PROBS some problems with the clocks (Xconfig): somtimes X get the wrong clock-mode Escom badged 14 Include in pric Gateway 2000 15" $350 Gateway CrystalScan 14" $399 PROBS None. ATTRIBS Great resolution. Gateway CrystalScan (don't kno 14 ?? ATTRIBS horizontal/vertical scan controls are way in the back - ick! Gatway CrystalScan 1024NI 14 ?? -- came stan generic 13 inches bundled Generic 14" $275 PROBS No problem ATTRIBS It's cheap: quite a lot of flicker at 1024x768 (clock=63) Highscreen (LE1024 I think) ? 900DM (bought 2 PROBS Software problems: Switching between LCD screen of my laptop and the external color monitor seems to be supported under (DR)DOS only (but only when MS Windows isn't running) ATTRIBS sometimes makes strange noises although powered off (only if connected to the wall-socket) Hitachi 17" $800 PROBS None, other than video problems mentioned above. ATTRIBS It is very large BRAND SIZE $$$$ Huyndai 14 400 usd ATTRIBS after few months it warms slowly than before and it has to be adjusted (brigthnes) when put on and after half an hour Hyundai 14 $ 375 Hyundai (Mono) 14 $120 PROBS none ATTRIBS Nice stand. low radiation! Hyundai HCM-421E 14" $300 ATTRIBS the Hyundai's are cheap and they are very good (especially when IBM PS/2 8503 10.5" (old) $150 PROBS Only problem is that text mode is screwed up when I get out of graphics mode. Text was OK using XMono, but XS3 gets text messed up. IBM, ????, packarg bell, ??? 12" 12" mono $80, free, free PROBS well, the herc ones were simple, the other two were sucky 640x480 monitors, but, the xconfig (generic) line worked like a charm. ATTRIBS the herc ones were cheap (given to me, otherwise $50) the ibm tube is rather nice, but b&w, i have a shitty color one -- get a herc one instead of a .3+ dot pitch tube, they are better on the eyes. I have found that mag monitors can be a pain to "tweak" so they are "just right", but that may be my dislike of their glaringly bright whites. ICL 14" 300 PROBS None. ATTRIBS low radiation, good contrast. Idek 5117 17 inches 1300 $ Can. PROBS I have never been able to get to work properly with a STB PowerGraph (et4000) at 1024x768 under XFree86. The timings must be somewhat out of tune. ATTRIBS Sharp contrasts are dulled due to a lack of bandwith I guess (65 MHz). LCD display 10.4" ? ATTRIBS Not terribly bright. You get ghosting, and you can see some flickering. Generic mono LCD problems. Loop 14" (cheap?) PROBS No problems ATTRIBS Display get distorted slightly (or not slightly depending on your perspective) towards the center of the screen. It's not too noticable once you get used to it. MAG 17inch $1170 ATTRIBS LCD display tells me what the monitor thinks it's tuned into. MAG 15 US $ 700 ATTRIBS Useful: Digital control, sharp picture Not so good: slight (very slight) problems in sharpness in left lower corner. MAG 14 N/A PROBS The whole screen blinks and the text color changes if I touch the connectors between video card and monitor. I believe this is some kind of connection problem. MAG 17 $1070 PROBS no problem ATTRIBS nice stand, sharp display, remembers your screen settings for various display modes MAG 15 inch flat sc $550 ATTRIBS Great picture, very steady. I would like a bigger screen ($$$$ :-) MAG 15 in 1200 $ ATTRIBS nice controls ! Easy Mag 15MXF 15" diag (14" i $575 ATTRIBS Good bandwidth, bright colors. Slight misconvergence in one corner. MAG 17" 17" included in sys ATTRIBS picture is sharp, nice colors , nearly perfect. MAG MV14 14" 590$ ATTRIBS very sharp (SONY Trinitron tube), goot digital control MAG MX-17H 17 inches AUD 1500 ATTRIBS Better intensity control than NEC 5FG (background does not dim when opening a white window) BRAND SIZE $$$$ MAG MX15F Visual area is $600 ATTRIBS Price/performance was good. Misconvergence at corners is annoying. Digital controls are very nice when using cheap video cards that don't store hsync & vsync timings for different modes. MAG MX15F 15" $550 PROBS None ATTRIBS Not quite enough resolution for a good 1280x1024, but will do it NI. Seems to have the best electronics of any 15" monitor, and I wouldn't recommend any other 15" monitor. MAG-15F 15" $500US PROBS No problems with this one, but I first got a KFC-15" which was horrible. The trade-in for $150US was well worth it. ATTRIBS Really crisp and sharp display MAG-15F 15" $500US PROBS No problems with this one, but I first got a KFC-15" which was horrible. The trade-in for $150US was well worth it. ATTRIBS Really crisp and sharp display MGC (Whoever that is) 15 $399. PROBS no problems ATTRIBS Seems to have nice sharp display; but I'm still messing with miro 20" trinitron $3000 PROBS no ATTRIBS very good contrast !!! Mitsubishi DiamondScan 16" $1000 CDN ATTRIBS Very crisp and clear display, all-digital controls for those who like this kind of stuff.. Not a flat screen, but I like it better than the NEC 4fg/5fg. Mitsubishi Dimaond Scan 13" ??? PROBS None. ATTRIBS Like this monitor a lot. It is old though, won't sync over 800x600. Time for a new one. :-( Mitsubishi, 4 years old multis 14" I bought it use ATTRIBS 1024x768 only in interlaced mode no digital control Multisync, Eizo 14 300 pounds (400 PROBS None N/A ? ? NANAO F550i 17 1100 Nanao F550i 17 inch $1195 ATTRIBS Crisp display, easy adjustment Nanao T560i 17" $1700 PROBS Need to set up Xconfig to match my video card (its a new monitor). computing clocks and what-not. ATTRIBS various configs stored in memory, degauss button, and its big! (I just upgraded from a 14" no-name clone monitor). Nanio 17 1000 PROBS No docs came with the Gateway telling me how to configure DOS to use the extended memory allowing 1280x1024x8. Trial and error was required. As mentioned above, the same was true of Linux and Xfree ATTRIBS I don't have a lot of experience with other monitors to have an opinion NEC 14 $220(?) ATTRIBS Display badly aligned. Only 640x480. NEC 14" 500 ATTRIBS sharp display, though it's not supposed to do 1024x768NI it would be nicer to have a larger viewing image. Text is rather small. NEC 16 $1100.00 PROBS A NEC 4D monitor. Now out or production, but hell, I've had it for 3 years with NO PROBLEMS what so ever. ATTRIBS Good looking monitor, reliable, not in production :-( NEC 14 (inc.) PROBS None ATTRIBS Nice controls under front panel that I never use :-) NEC 14 100 used ATTRIBS NECs are the best! BRAND SIZE $$$$ NEC 20-21 4500 DM NEC 3D 14" $600 (New) PROBS None. ATTRIBS Nice Dot pitch. Flattish, but not flat screen. NEC 3D 14 Too much for wh ATTRIBS The display is nice and sharp and the colour good, but a monitor a couple of hundred less in price could probably do as well. NEC 3D 14/15? 350 GBP NEC 3d 14 ??? ATTRIBS it could be a bit crisper, but then again, I'm exceeding the specs a wee bit... :-) Also it really isn't big enough for X NEC 4FG 14" $1000 PROBS Withe the XS3 driver i have no fast refresh on X11, on 800x600 there is a lot of flicker, this problem only occur on X, not with MS-Windows ATTRIBS very sharp, automatic screen position setting (memory) NEC 4FG 15 NLG 1500 ATTRIBS Very good screen, anti-static. Some color-separation at the edges. NEC 4FG 15" $800 ATTRIBS flat, square, big enough for 1024x768, lots of digital fun: per resolution x/y placement and sizing, color correction, cushion and ... distortion correction NEC 4fg 14-15? $700 NEC 5FG 17" 1200. PROBS First one died, brightness flickered if shaken. Replaced through work now, no problems. Otherwise, very bright, very sharp picture. ATTRIBS See above. NEC 5fg 17 1320 PROBS very easy to mix NEC 5fg with the ATI card ATTRIBS Nice sharp bright screen NEC 5FG 17" $1600 CDN ATTRIBS Size & position adjustments are great for getting as much display space as possible (no unused portions at the edges). Display is really sharp. Stand is good. Also has funky color adjustments that I have not used. NEC 5FG 17" $1300 PROBS I went through three 17" CTX monitors before switching to the NEC ATTRIBS Truecolor adjustments very nice! NEC 5FG OEM model. 17 $1150 ATTRIBS Nice stand. :-) _Beautiful_ display. A bit small (for a 17" monitor), but the picture quality is outstanding. I love the digital controls. Pity the screen is not completely flat. Takes up too much room -- I can't fit my keyboard in front of it! :-) Best monitor I've seen. NEC Multisync 3D 13-14 discontinued ATTRIBS excellent monitor. NEC MultiSync 3D 14" $400US ATTRIBS Lousy bandwidth, keeps me from going 1024x768ni - I am stuck with 1024x768i, and some flicker. no name SVGA 14 ~ $350 ATTRIBS 14 inch is too small !! (and less flicker would be nice) Nokia 447B 17" DM 2,700.- PROBS none ATTRIBS I wanted to have a Black trinitron tube. This is the one noname 14" came with the c PROBS none ATTRIBS Works quite well for what it's intended to do. It's 4 yrs old now, and beginning to show burn-in a little noname 14" $400 ATTRIBS everybody using X should have at least a 19" display BRAND SIZE $$$$ OEM Model 17" $1000 ATTRIBS best buy for your bucks in 17", electronic saved user settings (14) Packard Bell 14"" $300 Packard Bell 14 $400 ATTRIBS doesn't do anything strange when auto-syncing Packard bell VGA 14" 299.00 Panasonic 17 UKL700 PROBS No problems whatsoever. ATTRIBS Very nice clear, bright, large, stable picture. Panasonic multisync 14" $400 ATTRIBS Nice stand, dimmish display PC Brand 12" unknown Philips 1762 DT 17" diameter $1k PROBS no problems. ATTRIBS very bright display, slightly fuzzy, nice digital controls. PHILIPS 6CM3279 low rad 14" $600 ATTRIBS proper electronic design Phillips 17" ? Princeton Max-15 14" diagonal $180 ATTRIBS This mono SVGA monitor has a nice small spot size, but can't quite sync at 1024x768 resolution. It should be able to do it in interlaced mode, but I haven't been able to get the Xconfig incantation right. S.A.M (Taiwanese cheapo) 14" 500 DM (350$) ATTRIBS display seem to be slightly broken from day one, although service- persons said they didn't find any think wrong: left part gets slightly greyish if display is turned bright... Sampo 17 1000$ (?) Sampo 17" ~ USD 800 ATTRIBS Cheapest 17" monitor I could find that's still acceptable. Had to settle for interlaced display though. SAMPO 14" 14" ? ATTRIBS It's difficult to set brightness and contrast when changing resolution (it's not a multisync, of course) Samsung 14" $350 ATTRIBS Good convergance, large viewable area. It's multi-frequency, not multi-scanning. Samtron 15 n/a Samtron 15" 300 PROBS Boot up into unsupported mode when first installed. Shamrock 14 inches $200 PROBS No problems. Just plug and play. ATTRIBS Control knobs seem flimsy. Display was impressive for what I paid. Shamrock 15" $400 PROBS N/A ATTRIBS mega-controls, all up front BRAND SIZE $$$$ Shamrock 14in $260 PROBS no problems ATTRIBS no comments - just works ok and thats it. something View-14 14 no idea ATTRIBS The horizontal sync isn't high enough at 38Khz. This is the biggest drawback. Also, it tends to 'smear' at high clock rates (due to low overall bandwith). sony - lc display ? no idea SONY 1304 14" $600 ATTRIBS The Sony monitor has a VERY good picture. It is sharp and very nice on your eyes. It also has ample adjustments so that you can get a very undistorted picture. To these ends, the new Sony 1430 (the replacement to the 1304) is very nice with digital controls and a memory of the settings for several modes. Sony 1304 14" ? ATTRIBS dependable -- has not dimmed after 3 years Sony 1304 13-14" $600 ATTRIBS Not big enough! It's a multisync, so I was had a little more flexibility chosing clock settings that I would with a cheap monitor. The display is reasonably good. Sony 1304-HG 13 $600 ATTRIBS 0.25 mm dot pitch is great!! Sony 1340 14" $650 ATTRIBS Very good color, and nice flat screen.. Sony CPD-1730 17" $1,500 PROBS none ATTRIBS Trinitron screens are the best I think and the 0.25 dot pitch aren't bad I think. Sony CPD1304 14", 13" actual $600 approx. (i ATTRIBS The Sony has an extremely clear display and brilliant color. Downside: 48KHz max horizontal scanning range, limits refresh rate at 1024x768 to 60 Hz. Also it has no memory of the image size in different resolutions. Sony Trinitron 17" 1600$ Sorry never really noticed 16 inches NZ$700 PROBS None ATTRIBS Really boring. Sunshine 14 $250 PROBS no problems ATTRIBS n/a SuperCom 15" ~$490 (a year a ATTRIBS Nice small case. Overscanning, bright, flat screen. Bad: core shift caused colors not to converge properly, vertical position control quit working, picture jumps, SuperCom doesn't want to honor their warrantee. (they want to charge me to fix) SuperCom 14" ~ $250.00 (my p ATTRIBS A little more interlace flicker than some (more than I care for) when running X-windows. Synco (taiwan-o-clone?) The display? 14 $350 [inflated ATTRIBS Crisp display, better than my friends' NEC 3FG. No nice adjustment electronics, tho'. Can handle 800x600 only with a rather low refresh rate but is quite satisfactory at 1024*768 (60Hz non-interlaced). Taiwan Clone 14 pouces ? targa 14 ? ATTRIBS although i use the interlaced mode, my eyes dint hurt, even if i work for a couple of hours on it. Target Multican (60K) 14" 500 guilders ATTRIBS Fuzzy edges on display in graphics mode. Taxan ~850 (17" 0.26mm 78kHz 17" DM 2500,-- PROBS adjusting video correction is not very user friendly (say: stupid) ATTRIBS excelent resolution, crisp picture even at 120 MHz BRAND SIZE $$$$ TVM SuperSync 5A 15" $450 ATTRIBS Nice flat, anti-glare, but low 60Hz refresh w/noticable flicker at hirez. TVW LR3a 14' 350 $ PROBS No problems. ATTRIBS Not highres. Will only do 800x600. Not sufficiently sharp. Twm 14" 500$ Unknown 14 " part of package Viewsonic 17" $1000 PROBS none Viewsonic 15 billed 15'', ac ? ATTRIBS nice stand, nice digital controls, great brightness + contrast focus is above average but not perfect. Viewsonic 5+ 14" $350 PROBS had to dork with screen resolutions til I got one to fill the screen -- 1024x780 is too skinny ATTRIBS crisp, excellent display. has a Trinitron tube. only thing missing is more real-estate (like a 17" would be nice :-) Viewsonic 6 14 in. $325.00 PROBS Have to switch the video board to use the 60Hz mode. The monitor does not handle 72Hz. ATTRIBS Average. Viewsonic 6e 14 in. $350 ATTRIBS Nice stand? Viewsonic 7 17 1K PROBS Nice. ATTRIBS Pretty sharp. Best I found for price below NEC 17" model. Viewsonic V6 14" $350 ATTRIBS Brilliant display, good resolution. Viglen (original make unknown) 14 ? ATTRIBS Interlaced 1024x768 display. Plan to replace monitor shortly with a 17". Zeos (came with system) 14 ? 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