From: Digestifier To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 00:02:51 EDT Subject: Linux-Admin Digest #44 Linux-Admin Digest #44, Volume #1 Wed, 8 Sep 93 00:02:51 EDT Contents: POLL RESULTS, PART 5/7 (Matthew Dillon) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development Subject: POLL RESULTS, PART 5/7 Date: 7 Sep 1993 18:51:04 -0700 ==================== VIDEO HARDWARE ====================== BRAND WHERE BUS RESOLUTION MODE $$$$ ? ? ? ? ? ? SPEED Not running Xwindows. You know the Diamond story. ? on boa info 640x480 (LCD 256 included SPEED very satisfactory. Better than Sun Sparc I, but not as good as SS10 PROBS no problems. video is ParadiseVGA compatible. ? ? ? 1024x768 8 ? SPEED It seems faster than my sparc 2 at work but slower than my SGI ? ELSA W VL 1024*768 @ 1 8 / 256 DM 900,-- SPEED great! ~99k xstones in beta test PROBS beta test, not supported yet ? Mother ? 640x480 Mono mode fo ? SPEED Much slower than S3 cards ? on-Car ISA 1024x768 8Bit/256Colo ? SPEED The first controller has an TSENG ET4000 chip, the second one has an TRIDENT 8900 chip. The card with ET4000 is faster than the TRIDENT 8900! ? Yep (C ? ? Grayscale VG ? ? Card O ? 800x600 Mono ? SPEED not bad comparing to a WD 256K ? yes ? 640x480 mono ? SPEED pretty quick in mono. ? on Mot ISA VGA- IBM sta 256 ? SPEED Fairly quick but not as fast as those I use at work PROBS Linux/Xfree86 1.2 is a no-go. STILL trying to get it to work under 1.3. Anyone out there got it to work??? ? Local Local ? ? ? SPEED Bad news - no X windows color support. Great in Mono - Hi PROBS Rotten documentation. It is hard to read postscript file when have you X windows up and running to support ghostview. BUT I evenutally forged my way thru the Docs and the script files and got X mono working. A better explanation of mice work ne nice BRAND WHERE BUS RESOLUTION MODE $$$$ ? ? ? ? ? ? PROBS no problems with SLS ? On mot ? VGA => 640x4 ? ? "Color Designer" (ge Card LOCAL 1024x768ni 256 ~$100 SPEED Super Fast! I consider it comparable to a Sparc 10 (M41) (No, I'm not nuts:) I ran a benchmark program (yea, I know) that rated my card/machine faster than a 40MHz-34010 in a 386DX25! :) By the way... My comparison with the Sun is using AutoCAD. PROBS No problems at all with X. Using default Xconfig. :) Works Great! :) #9 (GXE) Card ISA 1024x768 (fo 256-color ~$350 SPEED My first video card was a Trident 8900C. (Or maybe D?) Slow. This card makes that Trident look like a snail. Even on my ISA system, this card is very, very fast. PROBS I initially had problems with garbled VGA output. (Solved, no problems since. Getting it to work with XS3 was a major pain, and I am still having problems. Can't wait for Xfree2.0. #9 GXe12 (S3 928) card ISA 1024x768 (fo 8bpp (up to $600 SPEED very fast relative to ET4000 (only other comparison) PROBS done by AMG, ran first time. (pell) trident, (dow (both) (both 1024 x 786 256 (pell) $55, SPEED diamond cards are a bitch to work with Xwindows. - | Tecm MB - 1024 x 729 256 - SPEED Compaq: ET4000-based. Quite fast, 16 Clocks. PROBS Compaq: just fly. ? on-mot ? 640x480 2 (no X driv ? SPEED slow (no comparisons made) Aamazing Mother ISA 800x600 16 n/a (comes w SPEED Moderately fast (but not overly) PROBS Could not get the setup file to work initially (needed help) Never did get 1024x768xn running Aamazing Mother ISA 800x600 16 n/a (comes w SPEED Moderately fast (but not overly) PROBS Could not get the setup file to work initially (needed help) Never did get 1024x768xn running Actix card ISA 1024x768 256 $250 SPEED fast, but had some intermittent problems when running VGA programs PROBS Just install XS3 and used the default Xconfig. Actix GE Ultra+/ 2MB on-Car ISA 1152x900 8 bits AUD 720 SPEED Shit fast. Blows away VESA LB ET4000 and Sun GX on Sparc 2 Well worth going to the poorhouse for... PROBS Dip switches for Actix 2MByte cards tend to be set for 1MByte. Odd. I just change every one I get before handing it over. Actix GraphicsENGINE on car ISA 1024x768 256 $175 SPEED Pretty good speed. The card claims to surpass SPARC 2/GX performance on fast PCs, that claim didn't hold true with my system, still pretty respectable performance. I used to have an ET4000 (Orchid PD II). I found the speed on that absolutely unacceptable, except in mono. PROBS No problem at all. The DOS software included is brain-damaged. AT&T VDC-400 on-Car isa 640x200 ? it's mono also free -- PROBS none ATI card ISA 1024x768 8/256 ? SPEED Nothing available for comparison PROBS None ATI Card LOCAL 1024*768 / 1 256 $450 SPEED very high PROBS normal Xconfig trouble (clocks, timings) Ati on-car local 1024x768 256 $370 (came w SPEED Speed is quite good, as compared with my experiences on DEC & HP unix workstations. PROBS The vender installed the board, no problem whatsoever. No problem with Xconfig beyond the normal dumb stuff. ATI on-Car ISA 1024x768 256 (inc.) SPEED Real fast PROBS Had to get the X8514/a x-server, but it's REALLY easy to install (only one Xconfig!) and it's fast, nice resolution and colors. ATI on-Car VESA 132x44 text, 256 ? BRAND WHERE BUS RESOLUTION MODE $$$$ ATI On car ISA 1136x842 or 256 colors f $200 CAN ($1 SPEED Rather slow, but probably due to comparison base. I'm used to working with X-windows on a monochrome SunSparc station. Good at moving frames and line drawing, but needs to be better for block shifts (solid window moving vs. outline moving) and redrawing. PROBS Required the patch to the X386 server to avoid the solid line bug when exiting. (Screen fills with about 30 solid vertical white lines.) No problems booting with board. ATI ATI Va ISA 1 1024x768 256 colors ?? SPEED Very fast for screen updates and redraws. This is with the Xlinux.8514 driver. PROBS Needs the Xlinux.8514 driver for good quailty graphics. Otherwise with X386 800x600 gets unreadable. 640x480 is fast, but if you DO anything... :-) ATI on-Car ISA Text ? ? SPEED TSENG et4000 is faster PROBS Could not get X working, even after manually setting clock Speed etc. ATI on Car isa 1024x768 8 $400 SPEED very fast !!! (pre release ati mach32 x-server) PROBS no problem ATI Graphics Plus on car LOCAL 1280x1024 fo 8bits dos an not availale SPEED I'm happy. Granted I have not used other controllers so I don't have a anything to compare against, but my impression is graphics are not running slow PROBS I had some difficultly figuring out what the Xfree config file should contain for my controller and monitor. Unfortunately there was no info on my monitor so I had to figure things out through trial and error. I also wish Xfree could use the extra memory so I could jump from 1024x768x8 to 1280x1024x8. ATI Graphics Ultra card ISA 768*1024 16 DM 465,- SPEED very good [compared with several non-PC HW models]] PROBS none [For DELL UNIX SVR4 I was forced to configure the mouse ATI Graphics Ultra ( ? ISA 1 1024x768, 77 8bit / 256 DM 630.- SPEED Speed is acceptable. Drawing and scrolling is quite fast. Under X11 (Xlinux.8514) Bitmap transfers are slow, because of the 8514-architecture (everything goes through a 4-bit I/O-port) The mach8 chip doesn't offer linear memory mapping as the mach32 PROBS No problems at all. Serial port probing under Linux touches a 8514-register that uses the IO-port of COM4 (modified). Inport Mouse works fine as as MS-compatible Busmouse (IRQ9(2)) under Linux, DOS/Windoze, OS/2 ATI GRAPHICS ULTRA P ON-CAR LOCAL 800x600 256 (wish XF $300 SPEED This video board seems fairly quick. I am NOT using the X8514 server, so my video performace is due almost totally to the VLB interface. PROBS Besides the normal XConfig fiddling, nothing. Again, I sure wish XFree comes up with 24bit color or the 16k palette. It would be nice to use the extra meg of VRAM on my board. if only for increasing my virtual desktop size. ATI Graphics Ultra P card VESA limited by m 256 (64 gray ? SPEED It's pretty fast, and should become *really* fast with the next Xfree release. PROBS Zero problems installing the board. It just worked. Getting a working Xconfig required a good set of clocks from another wizard and a lot of fiddling. ATI Graphics Vantage on-car ISA 1024x768 8 Bits / 256 500 DM SPEED The video-controller might be faster. Moving windows is a bit slow, not much faster than an ordinary ET4000. PROBS Obtaining a working version of the X8514-Server was a bit difficult, but no problems with Xconfig. ATI GU card ISA 1024x768 256 $200 SPEED fairly fast (smooth scrolling). slower than Sun3 PROBS only two SVGA modes listed at boot up. Both are 132col. I can't seem to get the 80col. modes I get under dos. I use dosemu so I must use 25x80 anyway so I never tried to fix it. ATI GU Speedstar 4 card ISA 1024x256 80 8/256 8/256 $400 $150 SPEED The ATI is fantasticly fast. The speedstar is also great but slows down as the size of operation increases. Scrolling not good with the Speedstar. PROBS No problems. ATI GUP VLB on-Car LOCAL 1024x768 8/256 (would $523 SPEED faster or equal than: Personal DECstation 5000/25 in my office PROBS Had to patch and recompile X-Server from SLS 1.03/XFree86-1.3 because ati driver was buggy and not corrected ATI Ultra Pro 2MB on-Car EISA 1024x768 (vi 256 $450 SPEED Really Good speed. PROBS none ATI Ultra Pro VLB card Vesa 1152x900 256 $250 SPEED faster than Sun's GX on a sparc1+ - in other words - fast PROBS just tweaking the Xconfig ATI VGA Wonder card ISA 800x600 8/256 ? SPEED text scroll slow PROBS had to patch X server ATI VGA Wonder V5 on-car ISA 800x655, 102 8 bits/256 $149 CDN (19 SPEED Other controllers: VESA LB ET4000, ISA T8900C Speed in X environment is similar, the ET4000 having the edge due to VLB and speedups in X server code. PROBS Both Xfree 1.2 and 1.3 have a buggy ATI driver- it doesn't restore the fonts correctly on exit. Patching the driver for 1.3 fixes it for 80x25 text mode, but still scrambles things for > 80x25. The T8900C does the same for > 80x25 as well. Solution is to use an external utility to restore the fonts (svgalib03 or later) ATI VGAWonder XL 1 M on-car ISA 1024x768 256 colors $150 SPEED this card seems quick enough to me but it nothing like the hft PROBS I just used the specs for the NEC 4D, 5D monitor and got the clocks ATI XL Card ISA 1024x768 X only suppo ??? Came wit SPEED Slow, but this is to be expected on an ISA card. Faster than a Sun X-Terminal, slower than a Sun SPARC 10. PROBS See above with regards to mouse AVGA3 CLGD5426 card VESA 640x480 256 $140 SPEED Fast, especially for the price. Trident 8900: very slow. BRAND WHERE BUS RESOLUTION MODE $$$$ Better to ask what c on-Car ISA 1000x600 256 $100 SPEED Too slow. Brand X with Cirrus On-car ISA 1024 X 768 ?? $65 for repl PROBS Lots of grief figuring out workable Xconfig parameters Simple to set, once known. Difficult to discover. brand? Er, Taiwan-o card ISA 1024*768 256 (no choi $120 (inflat SPEED Not coprocessed, so no real speed demon. Within those limits quite good. PROBS You can't get it easier than with an ET4000 card. No problemo. Cardinal On-Car ISA 1160x900 256colors $110 SPEED Speed seems fine. PROBS Many problems determining clock speeds. Must use Xfree86 1.3 due to cirrus chipset. Cardinal ET4000 On car ISA 1024x768 int 8 bitplanes $250 SPEED Pretty slow; this card is pre-Sierra RAMDAC. It works though and while I'm a poor starving college student I'll stick with it. PROBS None. Cardinal VGA700 (ET Card ISA 1024x768 8bit, 256 $5 (really) SPEED For fullscreen text work this is a very fast card, but it is very slow for scrolling xterms and such. I am waiting for XFree2.0 so I can use my 8514 which is much faster. PROBS No problems installing, except I had no manuals. I fixed a bent pin on a memory chip (hence the $5 price), otherwise it works ok. It was not hard to make it work with X, but without changing the settings in Xconfig it loads X in several ways--the way I Centrix ET4000 based on-mot LOCAL 1024x768 256 $200.00 SPEED It is quite fast and cheap (now a days). A good standard platform. Although I intend to purchase a #9 card soon :-) PROBS No problems what so ever with Xfree 1.1 & 1.3 Cirrus Card ISA ? ? No idea SPEED No comparisons Cirrus CGD-6210 chip on mot ISA 800/550 virt 1 bit ? SPEED It's fast, but you would expect that in monochrome. Dragging arround an Opaque window gives smooth movement. ACM (flight sim) runs 15 frames/second when hacked to remove built-in delays. Things run as fast as the LCD can show them. I'm happy. PROBS Yeah, one of the major bummers with this display is that if you depart from VESA timings too much with the CRTC, you can damage the display. This isn't surprising for a CRT display, but one might expect better engineering with an LCD. cirrus chipset on mot none 640x480 lcd 32 greyscale no idea CIRRUS CL-GD 5426 ba on car VESA 800x600 + 10 8 bit under ??? part of SPEED X11 screen speed seems fast compared to a colleague who has same LINUX version on an ISA based 486DX-50 (Trident 8900). PROBS System came already set up. Had to wait for XFree 1.3 to get X11 in color with this video card. Default Xconfig was fine. CL 5426 2Meg Ram card VLB 1024x768 256 $160 CDN SPEED performance is fine (tvtwm). I would like to move up to 1280x1024 but have not had time to do it or add the XFree86 patch for using the extra features of the CL5426. PROBS none CLGD6420 Mother ISA 640x480 on l 256 on lcd, ? SPEED fast as heck, active matrix screen helps. Clone (ET-4000 chip on-Car ISA 800x600 256 N/A SPEED fair PROBS No problems. clone ET4000 Card ISA 1024x768 256 colors $100 SPEED Its kind of slow, I will upgrade eventually. PROBS None. clone vlb-et4000 on-car vlb 800*600 256 175$ SPEED ok. PROBS no problems ColorImage on-Car ISA 816x612 256 colors ~ $150 (it's SPEED scrolling is slow; moving large graphic blocks is way too slow (ET4000 based card) PROBS none (beyond the dumb stuff) ColorVision on-Car ISA 1024x786 256 160 DM Compaq Mother Local 1024x768 256 NA SPEED Reasonable, but not great PROBS Still having Xconfig problems. :) Diamond on-car VLB up to 1024x8 256 colors ? SPEED excellent. Have compared to IBM RS-6000 model 320 and SGI Iris 4D/GT370 workstations; Xengine and Xbench under Xfree run 2-4 times faster than the workstation servers. PROBS lack of support for dot clock setting of Diamond board, need to obtain/install XS3 server. No problems with installation. I boot DOS at powerup to initialize dot-clock, then boot Linux. This gets me 2 dot clock speeds--28 and 77 MHZ, which I created modes for: 1024x768NI, 904x678NI, 832x624NI, 640x480NI. BRAND WHERE BUS RESOLUTION MODE $$$$ Diamond on-Car VESA 1024x768 256colors $179 SPEED fast, no comparisons made PROBS VESA Monitor Timings worked fine. Had to hack kernel setup to init third dot-clock via VESA mode setting. Diamond cards aren't supported by XFree86 project. Diamond on-Car LOCAL 1024x768 256 colors ? SPEED very fast. (I'm mostly comparing against a 5 yr old Iris ) PROBS none Diamond on-Car LOCAL 1024x768 8/256 $160 SPEED Quite speedy, just a tad slower than the Sun IPX I use at work (which is Weitek P9000-based). PROBS Requires a clock-setting package (I use ds3) Diamond Card ISA 1024x768 256 $150 SPEED This is a quick video board. 88k Xstones I was using a Chips & Technologies, which didn't support this resolution, but even 800x600 mono, was much slower. Major problems getting the Diamond to work though. PROBS No problems booting with the video, but I am no maintainer of a FAQ to get Diamond boards up and running w/X. Because of Diamond's "trade secretes," Xfree won't support their hardware. Diamond on-Car ISA 1024x768, 80 ? ? SPEED Since most of my work is text based, this card is fine. However, if I were to spend more time in X-Windows, It could be a drag. PROBS none, worked as is. Diamond 24X card ISA 1024x768 16 $160 SPEED Extremely fast drawing. Not as fast as the localbus controllers, but my system is pretty old.. Diamond 24X on-Car ISA 800x600 8bpp $150 SPEED Accelerated functions are not used--quite sluggish as a result. PROBS Need reverse-engineered clock-setting program to counteract Diamond's proprietary clock ship. Diamond :( Card EISA 1024x768 256 Unknown SPEED Seems very fast compared to admittedly very old systems. PROBS Normal Diamond garbage. Need to boot DOS and start MS-Windows to get dot clocks set right before booting Linux. Yuck! Diamond :-( on-Car ISA 1024x768 :-) 8 / 256 part of the SPEED It seems very fast, although I hate to praise Diamond. The slowest PROBS X was a hassle. I started using Diamond's DOS clocksetting program, Diamond ET4000 V4.23 Card ISA 1152x900 102 8/256 NLG 500 SPEED When It was new, it was fast. Modern cards are much better now. PROBS None Diamond Speedstar on-Car ISA 600x800 256 ?? SPEED fast enough not to annoy me, I haven't seen linux run on any other box though PROBS normal dumb stuff, my Diamond card is old enough not to have the clock problems Diamond Speedstar (a on car ISA 1172x848x256 256 $200 SPEED slow (uses dram) some lost pixels in higher nonstandard resolutions > 1172x848. Max usable clock speed is 83 MHz Diamond SpeedStar 24 on-Car ISA 1024x768 256 $175 SPEED Adequate, but hardly impressive. Better than the Sigma Legend I used pre-Linux. PROBS Necessary to program the bit-clocks outside the X-server. Diamond SpeedStar 24 expans ISA 1024x768 8bits $160US SPEED Slow (ET-4000 based) "My other graphics card is an S3'805" PROBS Clock indeces depend on which text mode is used for boot. This is a fixed-clock board, unlike more recent Diamond boards. Diamond Speedstar Pl on-Car ISA 1024x768 256 came standar SPEED Quite slow by today's PC standards. Diamond SS24x on-Car ISA 1024x768 8bit/256 col $159 SPEED Adequate PROBS I had to use the freq program by Ray Ballister to set the unsupported card. (No installation probs) Diamond SS24x on-Car ISA 1024x768 8bit/256 col $159 SPEED Adequate PROBS I had to use the freq program by Ray Ballister to set the unsupported card. (No installation probs) Diamond Viper Card VLB 800x600 mono $500 SPEED Controller is mighty fast under Windows. Still no color server for Linux yet. :-( PROBS Needed the freq program to set the clock and some fiddling with the Xconfig file to make it work in mono mode. Dunno Card ISA 640x480 256 colors i $99?? SPEED Speed under X very good (Sometimes root refresh is slow. This is probably swapping and not the card.) Speed under other programs (The spic viewer/svgalib) is slow. PROBS Using board under X in color required updating to Xfree1.3 (SLS had 1.2 at the time.) SVGA text modes under linux don't work quite right. ELSA card VLB 1280x1024 8bit/256 $50/vga and SPEED Exceptionally FAST (>100K Xstones) PROBS None (XFree86 2.0 beta tester) BRAND WHERE BUS RESOLUTION MODE $$$$ ELSA Winner 1000 VLB on-CAr VL 1024x768 8 Bit / 256 750 DM SPEED 98 K Xstones with XS3 percieved as "dam fast" in comparison to some of the older Workstations at work PROBS XS-3.0.4.4 needs setclk (waiting for XFree2.0) Emulex on-car ISA 1024x768 256 colors 200 $ Can. SPEED Quite acceptable. At least as comfortable as my SVR4.2 system with a STB PowerGraph Ergo (et4000). PROBS Ran out of the box. The xinit default environment is a little drab. Escom (Based on ET40 on-Car ISA 1024x768 256 colors ? SPEED not the fastest, but it's O.K. ET-4000 card ISA 640x480 256 150 SPEED slow ET4000 card ISA 1024x768 and 256 under X <$100 SPEED I've had an older ET4000 without hicolor option before and the new is about 20-30% faster. Compared to other systems without accelerator hardware I've seen, I would say it is very fast. PROBS No problems with the board, the usual problems getting X running for the first time. Still I don't have a real good 72Hz 1024x768 ET4000 on-Car ISA 1024x768, 11 256 $250 SPEED I changed from an old Cirrus 256kb board to an ET4000 when they came out, the the Cirrus board was not slow but the speed increased dramatically. But no experiences under Linux, just DOS. PROBS no problems, just the normal Xconfig ModeDB problems et4000 on car ISA 1024x768 and 256 ? SPEED ok PROBS no probs ET4000 on pro Local 1100x900 256 color ? SPEED speed is Ok except when scrolling fast in text windows but this is OK (local bus runs at 50 MHz :-))) PROBS took 2 nights before having good resolution on Xconfig, Ok ET4000 1MB (sold by card ISA 800x600 & 10 256 ? (~$60?) SPEED it's an older generation ET4000 so not as fast as newer cards. it is noticeably faster than the Trident 8900 on the same machine PROBS the ET400 support in Xfree is excellent. X worked from the first try and only minimal changes needed to optimize setup. a highly recommended card for X ET4000 based on-Car ISA 1024x768 8 bit/256 co $89 SPEED It is pretty slow, but much faster than my previous paradise 512k board. But, an ISA ET4000 board isn't going to break any speed records. PROBS Everything worked great out of the box. ET4000-clone card ISA 1024x768 ni 256 $60 SPEED could be faster, but it isn't too slow PROBS used VESA/IBM timings from standard Xconfig, and corrected the slight off-centre problem with the NEC 4FG Farenheit 1280 On-car ISA 1024x768 8 bits / 256 $235.00 SPEED Fast. PROBS I have to use the XS3 server for X-windows, instead the X386. Because my board is an S3 board. G-Host Plus on-car LOCAL 1136x832 8-bit/256 ??? SPEED seems speedy, compared with any X machine I've used (including Sparc IPXs and DECStation 5000's for standard edit/compile type stuff PROBS none generic card ISA 1024x768, 80 256 N/A SPEED lousy. The slowest I've ever seen. Generic (using Cirru on car VLB I 1024x768 8 bit $150 CDN SPEED speedy enough for me (under MS Windows, it is 75% as fast as ATI Ultra Pro in 8 bit mode, for about 1/3 the price) PROBS took a little while (1 hour) to get Xconfig right, but that was mostly because I didn't read the docs thoroughly beforehand generic cirrus chips card local 1024x768 256 $150 SPEED Could be faster, but it's reasonable. Scrolling in a large xterm window is chunky. PROBS Had to get XFree86 version 1.3. Generic w/ Trident 8 On0Car ISA 968x734 (X w 256 (8 bit) ~ $ 60.00 Generic, Tseng ET400 ISA ca ISA 1153x900 and 8 bits, $100 Genoa on-Car LOCAL 860x640 256 $150 SPEED ACCEPTABLE PROBS The video card is capable of far more than the monitor. Genoa on-Car LOCAL 1024x768 256 $120 SPEED Fast! I think the LOCAL bus video is the most important speed factor for GUIs PROBS Main problem with X was not knowing thet Xfree86-1.3 was necessary for the chipset. BRAND WHERE BUS RESOLUTION MODE $$$$ Genoa 8500VL on-mot VLB 1024x768 256 $120.00 SPEED Quite snappy under alpha XFree86 server which implements accelerated features of Cirrus chip getting around 30k xstones. PROBS Hard to seat, got N (N>5) beeps and no boot when first got machine. Reseated board, and system came up no problem. Ghost (GA-200) Card LOCAL 1100x900 8-bit / 256 $150 SPEED INCREDIBLY FAST! I can't imagine what an S3 card is like. It's *much* faster than the IBM RS6000 X I'm using at work. PROBS NONE! Since XFree 1.3 had the sc spread sheet for doing the clocks stuff, I've had even better success!! Graphics Ultra On-Car ISA 1024x780 256 $299 SPEED using the X8514 X server, blazing fast. PROBS None. Had to read faq to find out about X8514. Highland Technologie on-mot LOCAL 1024x768 256 colors came with co SPEED high speed PROBS none Iris ET4000 on-Car ISA 640x480, 800 256 colors $100 SPEED Slow, but acceptable. PROBS No problems Micron home brew On-car ISA 1024x768 8bit $100 SPEED Speed is good for price, under Xwindows. Video speed does not limit anything I do in X. PROBS Piece of cake. No problems. Miro On-Car VLB 1024x768 256 US $ 250 SPEED Much faster than my old Diamond Stealth. The ET4k my brother used 'til two weeks ago is still slower by far. It also seems to be a tiny bit faster than the Fahrenheit VLB I had in between. PROBS None. Runs with the same XConfig I used for the Fahrenheit. Miro Crystal 8s on-Car VESA 1024x768 256 colors/8 250$ SPEED Fast! ca. 76000 xStones PROBS You must use XS3 with 'vendor nolinear' in Xconfig Refresh rates above 70Hz cause trash on screen MVGA-AVGA3 (CLGD 542 on-car ISA 800x600 -> 1 mono & 8 bit Inclusive in SPEED Subjectively, I'm happy with the speed, but I've made no comparison with other cards in the same environment. PROBS Board came preinstalled with machine - There were no problems running a colour X server using SLS 1.03 and Xfree 1.3 - I just typed startx and it worked - a bit boring really :-) no name (don't know) ET4000 ISA 1024x768 256 100$ SPEED Not so fast PROBS - no-name S3 mother ? 1024x768 256 ? No-name Trident 8900 ON-CAR ISA 640x480 (102 256 79.00 SPEED Mediocre. I have linux running at work with an 8514 and X8514 and it is BLAZING! PROBS None except writing a good Xconfig at PL11. Pl12 worked "out of the box" Noname on-Car ISA 1024x768 256 colors 150 DM = abo SPEED enough PROBS no problems noname (TekRam??) on-Car Local 1184 x 884 n 8/256 included wit SPEED meets expectations PROBS no problems noname Cirrus 5424 on-Car VLB 1024x768 8/256 150$ SPEED overall: reasonable scrolling: poor Noname ET4000 1MB (1 Card ISA 100x40 (1080 256 (X) 150 USD SPEED Good enough for the moeny PROBS None But used many hours to get the maks of my monitor, which ended in the odd resolution of 1080x820 noname herc stuff mother isa 720x348, but 4! $80 when I g SPEED Well, gee, it's dandy for text. Oh, and I hacked something to show .pbm files; that's slow, but I think if I recoded it for speed, it'd be reasonably fast. But there's not really much data to push for low color low res! PROBS nada NoName, ET4000 chips on-Car ISA 1200x848 8/256 ~ USD 80 SPEED Acceptable for most things I do (Epoch, xdvi, Ghostview). Will probably switch to a VLB card when XFree 2.0 is out of beta. not sure no ISA Low end VGA ? w/ system SPEED OK. PROBS none OAK 077 On car Don'' 800x600 2 Include in p BRAND WHERE BUS RESOLUTION MODE $$$$ Oak SVGA separa ISA 640x480 mono 256 colors i came with th SPEED Not as fast as I'd like. However, I haven't anything else to compare it to. Eventually, I'll upgrade to an et-4000 based svga card, but my monitor can only go up to 640x480x256 anyway, so whether the existing card is supported at high resolution isn't an issue at this point. PROBS No problems at all, but 640x480x2 standard VGA isn't difficult to get working anyway, since there are no clock settings to fiddle with. OAK, 256 KB on-Car ? 400x600 mono $45 SPEED reasonably fast PROBS none Orchid card ISA : 1024x768 ? ? PROBS no problems with physical installation or messy windows but I had to find the S3 code for X-Windows Orchid On-Car ISA 1152x900 8 bit 256 co $60 (Purchas SPEED Fairly fast. Faster than the Suns at school with both running OpenLook on window redraws. PROBS There is a compatibility switch that needed to be set for use with my computer. Orchid Fahrenheit on-Car LOCAL 1000x1000 (v 8/256 $325 Orchid Fahrenheit 12 on-Car ISA 1024x768 256 $180 SPEED Extremely FAST! x11perf reports numbers indicating it's faster than a standard SUN Sparc 1+. VERY slow on the dashed-line test, though. (Using the S3 X11 server) Runs faster than my friend's ATI VGA-Wonder XL Plus. PROBS No hardware problems; had to play with Xconfig quite a bit and use VGASET. Orchid Fahrenheit 12 on-car ISA 1024x768 8bits L170 SPEED Very nice and fast for the text work I do most of the time. Acceptable for Ghostview etc. A little slow on bitmap-blitting games PROBS No problems. Orchid Fahrenheit 12 card LOCAL 1024x768 256 colors ?? $350 SPEED using XS3 server, video is quick. PROBS none Orchid Fahrenheit 12 on car ISA 1024x768 8bit/256colo $180 SPEED The controller is reasonably fast. I compared with the ATI Ultra+, and the S3 Fahrenheit 1280+ is much, much faster. PROBS No unusual problems that I recall. Orchid Pro 2s adapte ISA 1024x768 256 $200 SPEED Xfree86 is slow as hell. Don't know if the video is at fault. PROBS No problem booting. Xfree86's Xconfig is a nightmare No mention of Pro2s' *dipswitches* in the Xconfig database. Orchid Pro Designer on-car ISA virtual 1152 Well XFree86 $140. SPEED no perceptions PROBS No problems Orchid ProDesigerII card ISA 800x600 (~10 8 bit ?? - include SPEED fast enough ;) But no chance to compare with other boards PROBS Works fine, except had problems with returning to text mode after getting out of X is the initial text mode was set to 0. That was under XFree386 v 1.2 Never checked 1.3 so it might be OK now Orchid VLB on-Car LOCAL 1024x768 256 ? SPEED About speed of Sun IPC w/cg3 graphics PROBS See disk controller comments Paradise on-Car ISA 800x600 1/256 ? paradise card eisa VC's - 8MB n ? 90 SPEED it's ok. PROBS works with default Xconfig paradise (256K VGA) Card ISA 132x43(text) at 800x600 1 $50 (used) SPEED I *perceive* it to be better than average for a standard VGA card, but MUCH slower than an ATI Ultra or the latest Paradise hardware. PROBS X11 thinks my card is a nicer model of Paradise with more memory and capabilities. Can't seem to get X to get it right. Might be my X-incompetence though. Not a real problem for me, since my system doesn't have memory or CPU to run X effectively. Paradise (WD chipset mother ISA 1024x768i 8bit/256colo unknown SPEED Slower than S3, but acceptable for my needs. Faster than an old Sun microsystems Sun 4 color system! PROBS Xconfig did not initially support PVGA very well. These problems seem to have all been resolved. Paradise I believe - on-mot on-mo 1024x768 256 $49 for 512K SPEED Not great, but not terrible speed. PROBS Had to do some weird things to the Xconfig to get it working though - monitor says to use a 44.9MHz clock for 1024x768, but it needs a 62MHz. Paradise WD90C11 PVG on-Car ISA 700*560 256 $60 SPEED sufficient, if no heavy grapics are involved. Just a SVGA with DRAM, but bearable PROBS though I tried numerous calculated timings, a fixed freq moni doesn't sync on 37,8 KHz line freq PASTEL VGA on-Car ISA