From: Digestifier To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 00:02:51 EDT Subject: Linux-Admin Digest #42 Linux-Admin Digest #42, Volume #1 Wed, 8 Sep 93 00:02:51 EDT Contents: POLL RESULTS, PART 3/7 (Matthew Dillon) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development Subject: POLL RESULTS, PART 3/7 Date: 7 Sep 1993 18:46:00 -0700 ===================== HD CONTROLLER ====================== TYPE BRAND $$$$ BUS SCSI and IDE ? 120 ISA IDE ? ? ISA ? ? ? ISA IDE ? ? ? IDE on the moth ? ? ? ? ? ? ? PROBS IDE no idea ISA no idea IDE ? $35 ? PROBS None IDE multi IO (2 ? Adaptec 15 ISA PROBS Linux driver doesn't support the 1542C when the int13H driver is installed on bootup => I must boot on the IDE !!!!! ? ? ? ? PROBS I do not know it is that combo card. ? ? ? ? PROBS IDE A$19 multi I/O card (ok, so the controller's in the drive...) ISA Alpha Micro ? ? ? ? PROBS IDE $ 20 ISA Motherboard-bas ? ? ? TYPE BRAND $$$$ BUS IDE ? ? ? IDE on the moth ? ? ? PROBS No problems in two years. IDE ? ? ISA PROBS none IDE ? 30 DM ISA STANDARD ? ? ISA STANDARD ? ? ISA IDE ? $50 upgrad VESA local PROBS None IDE ? came with ISA PROBS No problems thus far, knock on wood. Never bothered ? ? ? PROBS No problems at all, hence none attributable to card :-) IDE ? $10 ISA IDE ? ? ISA IDE (noname) an ? 300 $ ? IDE ? ?? ISA TYPE BRAND $$$$ BUS IDE ? ? IDE AHA1542B and Bu ? ? ISA PROBS BT-445s was not supported before 0.99pl10, works nice since pl10 ! IDE (Cyrus chip ? ? ISA (Cyrus G-Host 4000 Plu ? ?? non-standa PROBS none (both) ISA (both) no-name (both) $50 (both) ISA IDE (Don't have it handy...) $70 VLB PROBS None. scsi; ide (scsi)adaptech, (ide)no-name scsi400DM, isa PROBS tere were no problems to get the 2 cards working together IDE cache 2MB ? 200$ VLB MFM ? cheap isa IDE (NT-120 Mul ? ? ISA IDE ? ? VESA-Local IDE ? ? VESA-Local IDE ? $75 EISA, VL-B PROBS No problems. combined IDE/SC ? $200 ISA PROBS none IDE ? (cheap?) ISA PROBS No problems IDE ? $30..$40 ISA PROBS none IDE ? ? ISA PROBS No problems at all. I had a drive go bad once and got it replaced, but card has been fine. IDE ? - ISA PROBS None. TYPE BRAND $$$$ BUS IDE ? ? ISA PROBS None yet. IDE ? (Clone product) N/A ISA PROBS N/A IDE ?? ?? ?? PROBS ?? IDE ?? ?? ? IDE ?? ?? ISA IDE ?? (Generic) $125 CDN VLB ISA PROBS no problems IDE ??? ???? VLB PROBS no problems so far IDE ??? Came with ISA PROBS Works fine IDE ??? (inc.) ISA PROBS None Dumb IDE/Floppy ??? $19 ISA PROBS None. See above - che ??? Was includ ISA PROBS None except the mouse problem mentioned above might be connected IDE ??? $50 (multi ISA PROBS No problems IDE ??? (perhaps Seagate) ??? ISA PROBS no problems IDE ??? Western Digital; haven't $100 ISA PROBS Never had a problem with the card. IDE Acculogic sIDE-3 $30 ISA SCSI Adaptec $200 ISA PROBS no problems SCSI Adaptec ? ? ESDI ADAPTEC ? ISA SCSI Adaptec DM 950.- EISA PROBS excellent SCSI Adaptec 15 Adaptec 250$ ISA TYPE BRAND $$$$ BUS SCSI Adaptec $200 ISA PROBS None. SCSI Adaptec 450 DM (~2 ISA PROBS Works will all atached devices. SCSI Adaptec $150 ISA PROBS None. :-) RLL Adaptec ? ISA PROBS Card has an annoying habit of parking drive that is not active... Causes one drive to recal itself incorrectly and slowly, albeit not a linux problem SCSI A1542 Adaptec 80 ISA PROBS None. SCSI ES Adaptec Western Digital ? ISA SCSI / SCSI Adaptec / Seagate $150 / $40 ISA / ISA PROBS the Seagate one is braindead, the Adaptec isn't. SCSI Adaptec 1542b $200 ISA PROBS Reliable but had compatability problems with my Gravis Ultrasound. SCSI Adaptec 1542B ? ISA PROBS No problems. Works perfectly with DOS/Windows/Linux SCSI Adaptec 1542B $250 ISA PROBS No problems. SCSI Adaptec 1542B #290 ISA SCSI SCSI Adaptec 1542B Future Dom TDC8 $200 $ ISA I PROBS Adaptec is the only way to go. Future domain boards are *SHIT*. SCSI AND IDE ADAPTEC 1542C $ 200 ISA Adaptec 1542C S Adaptec 1542C SCSI, generic ID $200, $25 ISA, ISA PROBS No problems. SCSI Adaptec 1742 $300 EISA PROBS There were problems of indicating the 1742 Host-Adapter in his "advanced mode". After setting up for 1542 emulation this problem was solved. But I've heard about working in advanced mode on some other platforms. I have to work on this. SCSI Adaptec 1742 300 ?? EISA PROBS See comment on motherboard. SCSI Adaptec 1742A $500 EISA SCSI IDE Adaptec ? (bought as ? SCSI Adaptec AHA1742 ATS7000 ($ EISA PROBS No problems SCSI Adaptec of course 400 EISA PROBS No problems TYPE BRAND $$$$ BUS SCSI, IDE adaptec, ZEOS 49, and on ISA/VLB PROBS The Adaptec moves data at about 1.1 meg/sec. The Seagate is 12 bit fat running through the on-board VLB. The Seagate moves data at about 800k/sec. i'm talking about data transfer rates as per Norton 6. SCSI-2, IDE Adaptech (1542C) SCSI-2: US ISA SCSI Adaptech 1742 $350 EISA PROBS None - the card works flawlessly with my drives and WangDat DAT drive. SCSI AHA 1742 ? EISA SCSI AHA1542B UKL200 ISA PROBS No problems whatsoever. IDE Appian ADI2 $117 (Mult VLB PROBS none, but VLB driver is not available for Linux at all, so card works in standard mode SCSI | IDE Both SCSIs are Adaptec 1542 ? Both: ISA PROBS B is actually 1540. C is making lots of crashes with external devices due to too steep signals... :( Kernel does NO retries after having SCSI bus error. :( SCSI BusLogic $500 EISA PROBS Very nice, Adaptec compatible, SCSI-2-FAST interface. SCSI Bustek $275.00 EISA PROBS None. IDE (should hav can't tell cheap ($20 ISA PROBS Card itself has had no problems. Very sensitive to loose connections though. IDE Cheap Taiwan one (No-name) $20 ISA PROBS I bought used and it didn't come with manual. Had to fiddle with the DIP switches to get everything set up properly. IDE Chicony ? ISA PROBS No problems IDE ChipsTech ??? 35$ VLB PROBS Problems with DOS software drivers Standard Compaq NA NA PROBS None IDE Built in Compaq(??) ? ISA IDE DFI 19 uk ISA PROBS none IDE Don't Know Include in Don't know Generic IDE con don't know don't know ISA PROBS None IDE Don't know Bundled ISA PROBS None. IDE don't really know, some no-nam 50 DM (35$ ISA PROBS again, none TYPE BRAND $$$$ BUS IDE don't remember (not at home no AUD 70 VESA SCSI DTC $150.00 ISA PROBS No problems at this time IDE DTC $120 EISA PROBS None IDE DTC 2270VL $100 ISA PROBS Initially supplied DTC2270VL failed after one or two months. Replacement had two patch wires, but has worked well (quite fast). SCSI DTC 3292 $400 EISA PROBS no problems -- but no driver under Linux. Adaptec compatibility mode may or may not limit performance. Supposedly 1542 (ISA) -> 1742 (EISA) maked little difference. Who knows. IDE DTK ? ISA PROBS card is a cheap multi-IO card. works ok, nothing fancy STANDARD dunno FIM 100,- ISA PROBS No problemo! IDE dunno 30 pounds ISA PROBS Fine. No probs 2 IDE El cheapo :) 20 USD a p ISA PROBS I have modified one of the cards to use 2f0-2f7 and int 15 to use it as a secondary controller with the atdisk2 patch (As someone posted a while back) MF/M Everex $25 ISA PROBS Very reliable controller IDE Forgot ? ISA PROBS No problems so far. IDE Fujitsu 400 ISA PROBS n/a IDE Fujitsu 400 ISA PROBS n/a SCSI Future Domain This was a tes ? ISA PROBS Boot disk did not recognize it with the IDE drive installed, with the normal IDE drive disconnected the bootup disk worled fine. This was with SLS version 1.0 SCSI Future Domain FD1680 99 GBP ISA PROBS No probs so far - only 5-6 months old though IDE generic $30 VLB PROBS none IDE, SCSI Generic IDE, Adaptec 1542B $200 ISA IDE Generic multi-IO card. $54 ISA IDE generic taiwanese ??? localbus PROBS Seems to work. IDE, SCSI generic, Adaptec $15, $210 ISA, ISA PROBS Both cards work very well together. I have had no problems I can trace to hardware. TYPE BRAND $$$$ BUS IDE God only knows ? ISA PROBS The cable connector snapped off but thats got nothing to do with linux! IDE Goldstar $25 ISA IDE Hedaka $15 ISA PROBS No problems IDE integral (WD chipset) Unknown ISA IDE jap-special n/a ISA PROBS no problems. IDE Kouwell el-cheapo ? IDE LongShine (LCS) $110 (0k) ISA PROBS No problems, but one annoyance: It is a caching controller I added recently, and it's initialization takes over 30 second. I realize that sounds silly, but I was used to a non-caching (generic) controller that took about 2 to 3 seconds. Nothing at all to do with linux. :) IDE,SCSI Media Vision Pro Audio Spectru $130 ISA PROBS none yet IDE MIO-16G Inclusive ISA IDE (+FDD/2s/p/ MIO-O5? $65 CDN VLB PROBS none. ISA NA NA localbus ( PROBS N.A. IDE Never looked at it Again, par ISA PROBS Works fine for me. :-) Multi-I/O IDE No brand, Acer chip $20 ? IDE No clue ??? ISA IDE no name USD 20 ISA PROBS no problems IDE no name ? ~ $15 ? ISA PROBS none IDE no name $25 ISA PROBS no problems. IDE No-name ? VLB PROBS No problems. Disk I/O performance on my own codes ported from an RS6k is quite close to the RS6k's ESDI drive. IDE no-name free (bund ? PROBS none IDE No-name $20 ISA PROBS As mentioned above, the first IDE controller installed could not successfully boot the SLS install disk. It was probably the fault of the other options on the controller board, the serial ports. TYPE BRAND $$$$ BUS IDE no-name from Taiwan $29 ISA PROBS none IDE Noname a handful ISA PROBS none IDE / IDE NoName $16 / $60 ISA / VL o PROBS No problems IDE Noname ? ISA IDE NoName 30 DM ISA PROBS No problems. IDE NoName ~ 0 (any c ISA PROBS No problems IDE noname ? ? IDE noname $50 ISA PROBS no IDE Noname AUS$50 ISA PROBS none STANDARD NoName cheap < 50 ISA PROBS See 2C, as the problem was entirely from the controler. IDE NoName (could not determine) US $30 VLB PROBS also none. IDE + SCSI NONAME + ADAPTEC NLG 50 + N ISA + I PROBS No Problems IDE + Adaptec 1 Noname + Adaptec 350 DM ISA Two, IDE and sc Noname and Adaptec $40 and $1 ISA PROBS Absolutely none. The adaptec worked right out of the box as did the IDE controller. IDE cache noname DC-660 (Tekram??) included w Local Bus PROBS No problems, smooth solid operation of both card an drive IDE Noname, I guess. $30 ISA PROBS About every tenth cold start of the system ends up in a HDD controller failure message. Doesn't seem to be a real problem, since I have it for more that one year. I simply reset the system and everything works fine. IDE none $30 ISA PROBS game port never worked. inadequate documentation IDE OEM came with ISA IDE on board included info not a PROBS no problems IDE On Motherboard Adaptec 154 On Motherb On Motherb TYPE BRAND $$$$ BUS IDE orchid? don't know ISA PROBS no problem IDE 2Mb Cache Promise $200 VESA Local PROBS No problems with hardware IDE Promise Adaptec ? ISA PROBS none RLL Seagate (ST22R) ~ $50.00 ( ISA PROBS See above about controller/system bios and drive geometry having to be in the system bios for Linux to recognize the drives. SCSI Seagate ST01 $75 ISA PROBS No problems IDE some cheap Korean brand included ( ISA PROBS none IDE Some taiwanese thingy :-) $19.00 ISA PROBS None. Labelled as a "Super IDE controller" because of silly serial/parallel/game ports. Multi-I/O w. ID something Taiwan Adaptec DM 50.- ISA PROBS Both work great under Linux. Adaptec had driver problems under OS/2 2.0 (updated) and I had to figure out problem with Adaptec and 20 MB Ram under DOS. ASPI driver must be loaded before EMM386 and consumes "conventional" memory. IDE Super I/O (generic Taiwan) $15 ISA PROBS none IDE Taiwan clone Included ISA IDE Taiwan-o-clone (don't know/car $12 :-) ISA PROBS Documentation not too good (of course) but usable. These days, nothing is more compatible or trouble-free than a nameless clone card. No problems. SCSI Trantor N/A ISA PROBS I had to perform surgery on the Western Digital MFM controller with an Exacto knife and conductive pen to get it using a different IRQ than the IDE controller. SCSI UltraStor $319 VESA PROBS Must turn off caching to get it to work with SCSI Tape. SCSI Ultrastor ? ISA PROBS No problems. ESDI UltraStor 12F/24 $140 ISA PROBS None -- it's an amazingly good card w/32k cache, the best non-SCSI BIOS program I've ever seen. I highly recommend it. SCSI UltraStor 34F 170 LocalBus PROBS See above. SCSI UltraStore 14F $200 ISA PROBS The card wanted IRQ 14 (same as IDE) and mailbox IO port 0x330 (same as some ethernet card). Changing these with jumpers eliminated two seperate interfernce problems. ide + scsi umc chipset & adaptec 30$ & 290$ isa PROBS no problems IDE UNKNOWN UNKNOWN EISA IDE unknown came with EISA PROBS none TYPE BRAND $$$$ BUS IDE unknown $20 ISA PROBS No problem so far IDE Unknown 30$ ISA PROBS Nothing at all IDE Unknown - very generic Unknown, c ISA PROBS None - no problems so far. MFM, 2:1 :) WD $15 probab ISA IDE WD 10 ISA RLL,MFM WD AUS$50,AUS ISA ESDI (WD1007WAH Western Digital 139.00 ? PROBS None. IDE Western Digital ? ISA IDE Western Digital $15 ISA PROBS There are only two chips on this card- this tends to increase reliability, but makes repairs difficult as both are difficult to obtain (but at $15 for a new card, who wants to try to repair it?) MFM, 1007 western digital free to $2 ISA PROBS i HAD a seagate mfm drive controller which was a little faster (used 1:1 interleave instead of 2:1, however it had a manufacturing fault and smoked some chips on me) I haven't seen any problems with IDE or RLL controllers. IDE whatever came from Touche Inc n/a ISA IDE Zeos, built into MB included ISA PROBS None IDE Zeos, built into MB included ISA PROBS None END OF PART 3 ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Admin-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.admin) via: Internet: Linux-Admin@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Admin Digest ******************************