From: Digestifier To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 00:02:51 EDT Subject: Linux-Admin Digest #41 Linux-Admin Digest #41, Volume #1 Wed, 8 Sep 93 00:02:51 EDT Contents: POLL RESULTS, PART 2/7 (Matthew Dillon) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development Subject: POLL RESULTS, PART 2/7 Date: 7 Sep 1993 18:45:09 -0700 ===================== BARE HARDDRIVE ===================== BRAND $$$$ ? ? PROBS Western Digital & Seagate 300$ & about 100$ ? ? PROBS Western Digital 120MB (came standard) Western Digital 250MB (added for $440.00) ? ? PROBS Conner CP3540 $1.000 ? ? PROBS Seagate ST1144A (130Mb), Western Digital 2340? (340Mb) ? ? PROBS I was not able to use several HP disks (HP 97536SL etc.) ? ? PROBS 1Gb Fujitsu M2266SA SCSI Hard Drive $1400 ? ? PROBS Everything fine. ? ? PROBS Seagate ST1144 600 USD (4-1991) Quantum ELS 127AT 300 USD (9-1992) Seagate ST3550AT 630 USD (8-1993) No problems with any of them except there too small :) ? ? PROBS 'alps' 200meg. about $AU500?? (came with machine. no real idea) has flakey interrupts. Reportedly doesn't work with OS/2 either.. 'quantum' 245 meg. $AU500. no problems at all. beautiful drive. ? ? PROBS Seagate ? 340MB SCSI Maxtor ? 52MB SCSI, $175 Seagate 296N 85MB SCSI, free. Caused _nasty_, fs-corrupting crashes until I "blacklisted" that drive (in SCSI device driver code) ? ? PROBS Don't know (not sitting at machine right now) ? ? PROBS Maxtor 130 Mo IDE ( no error in 8 months ) with system Micropolis 1220 S SCSI 1Gb (less than 1 month, FAST !!!!) bundle with Adaptec 1542C : 9000 FF = 1200 US $ good deal in France ? ? PROBS Maxtor Caviar 320mb IDE drive, $???. No problems. ? ? PROBS Rodime A$350 None.. ? ? PROBS Maxtor ? ? PROBS Dont know manu of drive, (Seagate, possibly) but no problems with 2x210 MB drives in the month I've had it. BRAND $$$$ ? ? PROBS 240 MB Conner CP30254 (IDE) (no problems, fast) 125 MB Seagate (IDE) (secondary) (no problems, was cheap) ? ? PROBS Western Digital 210M IDE (no problems in 2 years DOS usage) Hitachi 1.1G SCSI-2 (1 month usage with Linux/DOS). Seems to be hot, it sits above my floppy drive, and floppy disks feels warm after being in the drive for a while. (all) Maxtor 7120A $180 PROBS No problems. ... I forgot. Sorry Got it in the b 1 Maxtor and 1 Samsung $AUS450 and PROBS No problems at all and both drives co-exist well. 1 Quantum, 1 Seagate depends, 1000-1 PROBS The Quantum is noisy. No problems. The motherboard is very fast. adding a 256k ext CPU cache slows it down. 1 x Conner, 2 x Maxtor 300 pounds PROBS None. Use ext2 fs 116MB Quantum 239MB Conner ? PROBS I had to buy a new conrtoller card to get the Quantum and the Conner to work together. This was not a Linux spoecific problem. 1x Quantum, 1x Seagate 350 DM 500 PROBS They work reliably together; the Quantum (105at) makes funny noises every few weeks (sounds a bit like a drill - when I switch power off and on again after the drive halted, all is well again... hm ) 1xMaxtor, 1xFujitsu both SCSI 120 500 PROBS None. 2 * Seagate $ 200 2 Seagates, 3 Quantums, 2 Rodimes All together: $ PROBS Confirguring those SCSI drives to live together harmoniously. 2 WD Caviar 212 Mbyte + 500 $ PROBS none 2 Western Digital AC2120 drives $245.00 each 50M RLL Seagate and 525M SCSI Quant nothing PROBS With the 100M Maxtor Drive that was original in the box I had problems because this drive had a few bad block's. ?? ? Compaq $300 PROBS None. Conner $500 (August 19 PROBS Conner drives are trouble-free BRAND $$$$ Conner ? PROBS Very reliable - NO problems Main Drive is 120MB & 40MB Drive 'D' Conner $240 PROBS No problem yet. Conner ? Conner (IDE) + Seagate (SCSI) 1200 DM (1992) Conner / Quantum ? / ? PROBS no problems Conner 500Mb $1175 PROBS no probs, works great Conner 540M scsi-2 ?? PROBS n/a Conner 85Mb and Conner 250Mb Bundled PROBS Conner documentation is a little unclear as to what jumpers to remove when making drive a slave. Conner Caviar 170 Mb 3.5 Inch ??? Conner WD 2200 400$ Conner+NEC $240 each PROBS Everything works fine all the time. The Conner HD was new, NEC was second-hand, but I never had any problems. connor and maxtor now would be 90 PROBS no problems DEC DSP 3085 (850MB FAST-SCSI-II) 1800,-- DM (~10 PROBS disk full after ~3 months :-) Don't know Include in proc Drive 0 is WD Caviar Now about $250. Fujitsu 1900 DM (~1100 PROBS Most reliable drive I ever had. Fujitsu $1000.00 PROBS None so far. It's a little noisy. Fujitsu 400 PROBS n/a Fujitsu ?? ~1k PROBS None, very happy so far. Fujitsu UKL500 PROBS No problems whatsoever. BRAND $$$$ Fujitsu $1500 CDN PROBS None. Excellent quality, fast drive. Fujitsu 170 uk PROBS none (just too small) Fujitsu 400 PROBS n/a Fujitsu $680 (F)? PROBS First drive was bad, didn't always initialize right. RMA'd drive worked fine, though. Same thing happened to my housemate. Fujitsu Kalok $250 $225 PROBS Fujitsu 115 Meg IDE drive - excellent Kalok 105 Meg IDE drive - get unexpected timeout errors from Fujitsu 180Meg - WestDig 210Meg ? PROBS no problems (except for lack of space to put all things :-) ) Fujitsu 2624T IDE $1140 PROBS No problems, solid as a rock in this application Fujitsu and Micropolis $1,400 and $500 PROBS none Fujitsu MK538FB $1200 PROBS No problems. Fujitsu, micropolis look above PROBS ATI mach32 not supportet (xfree 1.3) Fujitsu, Seagate, Quantum $1500,$2000, $2 PROBS None. Fujitsu/Maxtor (scsi) 486/50 ? fujiutsu(scsi)+seagate(ide) 1800DM PROBS (scsi)it took 3!! drives and hours and hours of testing andrerrorchecking, until it got a working one. this one works fine and without any problems HP C2247 (1GB) ATS25000.- ($22 PROBS No problems, drive is very reliable (so far) IBM (2x) 1995 guilders, PROBS Reliable; first SCSI sometimes times out. IBM(SCSI) IMPRIMIS(SCSI) QUANTUM(ID unknown PROBS multiple SCSI termination was needed against all rules Kalok 3100 $200 PROBS This type of drive is known for, under Linux, the message 'Unexpected HD interrupt' which appears during heavy disk traffic. Solved by removing the message from the kernel (Linus approved adaption). No problems whatsoever with the drive reliability, although I bought it cheap at some computer trade fair. Magnetic Peripherals, Micropolis AUS$50,AUS$50 PROBS The Magnetic Peripherals drive successfully formats to RLL instead of the rated MFM. Maxstor ? PROBS Drive has performed flawlessly I had problems when I had a kaloc Maxstor 7245(?) Now ~$289 PROBS None whatsoever. BRAND $$$$ Maxtar d o not recall PROBS Drives have been rock solid. Maxtor $300 (guess) PROBS no problems so far using DOS/WIN31/LINUX Maxtor ~ $75.00 used ( PROBS No problems with reliability, when formatted using the Seagate controller bios. WDFMT correctly formatted the disk when not using the seagate bios, but the format broke down within two months. Note: I Do NOT recommend others do this (use MFM drives on RLL controllers)!!! If you do, you must know the hardware and be prepared for a possible drive failure, at any point in time! Maxtor $1300 PROBS Drive got hot and did some funny things (wouldn't talk to SCSI card at all -- cleared up by rearraging components. Maxtor $1000.00 +/- PROBS none, yet. Maxtor $300 PROBS None yet. Maxtor abt. FIM 2000,- PROBS No problemo! Maxtor AUD 450 (for ma Maxtor $1200 for 1.2GB PROBS I'd only buy/recommend Maxtor drives after the troubles I've with other types of drives. Maxtor $320 (when I go PROBS Never had a problem with the drives. 1.5 yrs. of heavy use. Maxtor ? Maxtor ?? Maxtor 83MB: don't kno PROBS No problems at all with either drive. Maxtors are cheap, but not fast. Quantum or WD drives are faster. Maxtor 870 PROBS No problems yet, got it from CSC with 5 year warranty Maxtor $240 PROBS Has NEVER given me any problems Maxtor $250? PROBS None Maxtor $350US Maxtor 650 $ Can Maxtor (642Mb) $1000 (?) PROBS Drive is very reliable. Maxtor & quantum 395 $ & 500 $ PROBS none (one scsi and one ide and no troubles) BRAND $$$$ Maxtor & Western Digital 600 460 PROBS The Maxtor was added, after the WD, specifically for a Unix &/or OS/2 etc. I wanted to make the maxtor the second drive, booting from the WD. Maxtor wouldn't be slave, or WD couldn't be master. So, I boot from Maxtor, now. Maxtor (times 2), Seagate $700 for a 3? h Maxtor 200 MB ? PROBS none Maxtor A7215 (IDE), Quantum PDS 425 now: DM 470.- PROBS Both drives are basically ok, but the Maxtor makes to much noise. The maxtor works fine in my box, but fails completely in the box of a friend (whose ISA Bus runs at >8 Mhz, but he has no problems at all with his Seagate, so the Maxtor seems flawed/oversensitive) Maxtor IDE + Conner SCSI NLG 1600 + ?? PROBS No problems Maxtor, Quantum(?) | 2x Quantum 2500$ (?)| ???? PROBS None so far. Specific models are: Hmm ehh.... Maxtor: Panther SCSI P-17S (anyway the 1.76G one) 2xQuantum: ProDrive 105LPS (ide) maxtor, seagate, miniscribe ??? (all *OLD* PROBS well, norton utilities blew on of my 2190's, all of my drives are vintage mfm drives, slow, but, they work, and are cheap. great "shit, i am poor" drives. from the installations that i have done on many computers, i have noticed that there isn't much of a difference between IDE drives, they are all pretty much the same thing reliabilitywise -- but, they are all pretty much shiny new compared to my stuff. Micropolis ? PROBS none Micropolis $700 PROBS these drives have been reliable, online for almost 3 years Micropolis $1k PROBS Drive is a fantastic 1Gb SCSI-2-FAST drive, very nice. Micropolis 1558 New about $1100 PROBS Absolutely none. no idea no idea PROBS none, eh: a little slow maybe Not sure, never bothered to look! ??? PROBS no problems one hitachi 40M, one maxtor 120M free -- they're PROBS none. these are MFM drives, at least 5 years old each one's a seagate, the other's ibm $30, $30 :) quantum 200 PROBS none Quantum n/a PROBS No problems at all. Quantum $380.00 PROBS No problems at all. I have two (2) Quantum 240's IDE. Quantum Can't remember, PROBS No problems. It's a Quantum 240 MB IDE drive and it seems very good to me. Quantum ? BRAND $$$$ Quantum (120 Meg) $150.00 PROBS None Quantum (qty: 2) $800/each PROBS No problems, I love these drives. 425 MB and 525 MB SCSI-2 Quantum * 2, IDE $400 + $300 (ne PROBS Both (105 and 120 MB) have been reliable. Quantum 105mb and Maxtor 235mb Quantum : was a PROBS none I can think of Quantum and Maxtor Fim 2000( Quant PROBS normal IDE problems, only quantum can be master for maxtor not the other way rounf Quantum I believe Came with packa PROBS Never had a bit of problem with it, except for the size of the HD :) Quantum IDE 130meg, Maxtor SCSI 670 $200, $700 PROBS No problems with either. Quantum LPS 350$ PROBS Nothing at all Quantum LPS240 IDE $350 PROBS None whatsoever. Quantum LS105 $200-$250 ?? Quantum, I think. Came wi PROBS Decent drive. No problems. Rodime & CDC/Imprimis/Seagate $600+$450+$175+ PROBS I've had no problems with any of the 4 HD's. In fact one didn't work in my Amiga, and *did* work with the 14F and Linux!! SCSI seagate IDE seagate ? Seagate $500 PROBS No problems Seagate +/- $380 2 year PROBS No problems Seagate $280 Seagate ? PROBS No problems. Seagate 600 DM Seagate $275 new Seagate $350 PROBS Reliable, no problems. VERY quiet BRAND $$$$ Seagate 400 back then Seagate ~$300 PROBS Good reliability, no problems except for the one mentioned above. Seagate came with machi PROBS none Seagate ? PROBS none Seagate $250.00 PROBS Like a dream. Seagate $300 PROBS Great reliability, Absolutely no problems. Seagate & Miniscribe $ 80 each PROBS Drives have been VERY reliable. Used under DOS prior to this in a BBS situation. Miniscribe was RLL'd from a MFM drive, with no errors Speed of drives is problem - both are old, slow drives. Seagate & Quantum ??? (Part of sy PROBS None, good. Seagate (42 MB and 105 MB) $400 PROBS None Seagate * 2 (250 Meg, 125 Meg) ? PROBS Fine so far. SEAGATE + WD $200 PROBS no problems Seagate 1144A IDE Free PROBS Seagate ST1144A - crappy Seagate 1Gb ? PROBS Reliabilty is good, no problems Seagate 245 MB AT-Bus 600 DM = about PROBS none Seagate 420MB(ish),Maxtor 7120S 400GBP (cant re PROBS None I'm aware of - maybe when I'm on a tight deadline :-) Seagate ST 1239 A $800 (when it c PROBS spontanous locking of drive due to a bios problem (AMI bios from 1989 is too old), happens under MS-DOS and Linux Seagate ST-1144 & Connor 40MB Seagate: includ Seagate ST3120 106MB $150 payed for, PROBS power connector extremely sensitive. Had to mount it in o0ne of Seagate, Conner included with t PROBS Without problem Seagate, Micropolis unavailable now PROBS Old 80 MB MF/M drives. Extremely unreliable, especially the Seagate 4096. (-: BRAND $$$$ Seagate, Western Dgital 260, 120 see below see below PROBS Quantum LP240AT (IDE) $550* Connor CP3104 (IDE) overheated the drive once and it has never seems to be Seagate included PROBS no problems Segate $170 used. PROBS Kernal occasionally reports an error and "HD controller reset" No real problems. ST1144A SEAGATE 125 meg IDE $400 PROBS Well, when I got it it was perfectly reliable. :) Some problems with bad sectors started being noticed approximately 1 year or so afterwards. About 1 year ago I had some serious problems, and had to run Drivepro which worked for about 700 cylinders of a total of 1000, and put 386BSD on the good part of the drive, and DOS on the bad part. A few months after putting linux on in stead (Feb of this year, I had to run drivepro again. DOS right now is on and shows about 340K in bad sectors. I am hoping that when I install Linux again in a week or two that I won't have problems, but if I do I will have to buy a new drive, and it won't be a Seagate this time. Toshiba $1030 PROBS Hot, noisy, still running. Toshiba mk2124 2.5" ?? PROBS Hey, it works. 124 (binary) Mb. Not too slow for a laptop drive. I vaguely remember a 19ms average seek time, which is a bit sub-standard these days. unknown unknown PROBS The timeout of the drive is too short, so it can cause HD-TIMEOUT errors sometime when the motor is shut off. Unknown Unknown WD $260 PROBS no problems at all very pleased with the speed and function of the drive WD $220 PROBS no probs, and very rel. WD "Caviar" 350Meg + ? 100Meg 100M came insta PROBS So far, no problems. The WD drive is a little noisy. WD + Conner 300 $ + 500 $ PROBS The original I/O baord was unstable after the extra disk was added. It was replaced by new, but otherwise identical board. No problems cince. I have no idea what was wrong. WD, Microscience AUS$900, AUS$40 PROBS Microscience drives are _very_ incomatible and bad. The WD drive had minor hardware problems and was happily replaced under waurantee WD2200 old price $390 WD280 (2 80M drives) ? PROBS very reliable West. Digital $300 -> $500 PROBS see above Western Digital $310 (2nd, can' PROBS First Caviar 340: no problems at all. Second Caviar 340: within a week my controller no longer saw it. It was exchanged with no problem. It has worked perfectly ever since. Very nice drive, I'm not discouraged by the failure. Western Digital N/A PROBS No problem. It runs great. Western Digital US $ 425 PROBS none. Reliability high. Also I had no problems with serveral drives I sold to various customers. BRAND $$$$ Western Digital ? Western Digital $250 PROBS None Western Digital ?? Western Digital $340 (came with PROBS no problem with drive Western Digital $400 (250Mb) $ PROBS Trashed my 250Mb while installing my 120Mb :^< Otherwise, works like a breeze. These drives are nice and quick. I get 1Mb/s _real_world_ (*not* a benchmark) MS-DOG performance (on filecopies). Seek is 10ms (250Mb) and 12ms (120Mb). Western Digital $500-600 PROBS no problems WESTERN DIGITAL $330 PROBS NONE. Western Digital $340 Western Digital $300 PROBS See above re Maxtor. Western Digital (included in pr PROBS None Western Digital "Caviar" 2200 $219 PROBS No problems. I picked this one over some others because it comes Western Digital & Quantum ? PROBS I remember ONE time when the WD first refused to spin up. Power cycling brought it back to life. (I've had the drive for ~3 years) Western Digital (120 Mb)/Seagate (2 450 DM /465 DM PROBS Thanks god, no problems. Western Digital (2) At time, $349 a PROBS No hardware specific problems. Drive has worked pretty well, though could be faster. Seems to have some spinning problems (continues after drive access), but need to investigate further. Western Digital (210 MB) - PROBS None. Western Digital 340 $298 (tribecca PROBS none Western Digital 340 $298 (tribecca PROBS none Western Digital 340 $439 CDN PROBS No problems at all with the drive. Had to fiddle some jumpers when I added a second WD 340. Friggin drives came with no docs - luckily the io card docs had enough clues. Had to unjumper something on the io board and jumper each of the drives (1 as master (MS) one as slave (SL)). (the clone inlcuded an IDE disk ribbon cable that supported 2 drives already) Western Digital 340 Meg IDE ~$500 CDN PROBS no problems so far, drive has 3 yr. warranty Western Digital 340M $400 BRAND $$$$ Western Digital 340M $400 Western Digital 340MB $400 PROBS The drive broke(wouldn't seek) before I installed Linux. Western Digital replaced it free of charge. Western Digital AC2340 670DM (bought a PROBS The only problem that I noticed: after in power saving sleep mode the harddisk has problems coming up again. After a few trys (start spinning and stop after 1..2 seconds) and a few messages like "HD controller reset" it always worked again. Western Digital and Fujitsu IDE $329/$400 (340M PROBS No problems, very reliable. Western Digital Caviar 210MB probably much l PROBS reliable so far. no problems. Western Digital WD2250 $320 PROBS No problems, very fast and reliable so far. Western Digital WDAC2340,WDAC4200 400$,530$ Western Digital, 244Mb IDE, 2 drive ~USD 400 PROBS No problems whatsoever. Also have a SyQuest SQ555 on SCSI, which is a pain (lots of errors), but it's a leftover from my Atari (RIP), so I'm keeping it... Western Digital, Maxtor $300 (?), $400 PROBS None, except that one of the drives (haven't checked which, but I think it's the WD) consistently has trouble at power-on only (trying to unpark the heads?), but it always comes around after a few tries. Problem began sometime after 2nd drive added. Western Digital, Quantum included, $200 PROBS both rock-solid Western Digital, Seagate Each about $230 PROBS OS/2 boot manager said there was an error on the segate when I first tried it, but works fine now. Of course I'm always outa space :) Both drives have been very reliable. Western Digital; Seagate $250, $279 whatever came from Touche Inc n/a PROBS until now there were no problems - machine is on 24h/day END OF PART 2 ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Admin-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.admin) via: Internet: Linux-Admin@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Admin Digest ******************************