From: Digestifier To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Mon, 6 Dec 93 23:13:26 EST Subject: Linux-Admin Digest #207 Linux-Admin Digest #207, Volume #1 Mon, 6 Dec 93 23:13:26 EST Contents: Re: Xconfig (Steven Buytaert) Re: UNIX/PC Sys Admin opinions (Nate Williams) Re: mail daemon: smail, sendmail+IDA 5.6.x, Sendmail 8.6.4, umail (Kristian Koehntopp) Re: Linux as a DOS fileserver? (John R. Ackermann) Re: /dev/mouse busy using 0.99pl14 (Ralf G. R. Bergs) ethernet problem with linux SLS release 1.03 (wong chan foon) Where's the source for /bin/login ? (William Devine II) NFS-Problems, package > mtu (=1500) (Klaus Wilhelm) Re: mail daemon: smail, sendmail+IDA 5.6.x, Sendmail 8.6.4, umail (Dan Russell) Help with Imake (Matt White) Does Linux work with Sager NP700? (Bill White) Re: NFS-Problems, package > mtu (=1500) (Kai Harrekilde-Petersen) Re: NFS-Problems, package > mtu (=1500) (Frank Lofaro) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: buytaert@imec.be (Steven Buytaert) Subject: Re: Xconfig Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 15:51:50 GMT Steven Buytaert (Steven.Buytaert@p3.f506.n163.z1.fidonet.org) wrote: : ########################################################### : #*THANKS* David and Xfree team for doing a wonderfull job.# : ########################################################### [ ... rest deleted ...] : * Origin: R&D BBS's * `Side_of_Ham' Packet/UseNet/FidoNet Gateway HEY, how the hell does this message get here ! I posted this 4 days ago, and now it shows up, gatewayed through fidonet ! Can somone explain this to me ? -- Steven Buytaert Interuniversity Micro Electronics Centre - Invomec Division Kapeldreef 75, 3001 Heverlee, BELGIUM phone : +32 16 281 271 fax : +32 16 281 584 e-mail : buytaert@imec.be In case of danger, BREAK glass ------------------------------ From: nate@bsd.coe.montana.edu (Nate Williams) Subject: Re: UNIX/PC Sys Admin opinions Date: 6 Dec 1993 16:24:18 GMT In article <2du3c2INNag@dns1.nmsu.edu>, Eternal Darkness wrote: >Joe Ryan (ryan@magnet.fsu.edu) wrote: >: Attention UNIX/PC System Administrators! > >: I would like to have some general/specific opinions from people >: who read this newsgroup and would have any advice or comment (from >: experience) on any of the following: > >: LINUX >: 386BSD >: FreeBSD <---- these are not listed >: NetBSD in any prferential order. >: Minix >: or any other > >: The primary, initial, function will be to set up eMail accounts, >: running sendmail and some POP mail daemon. (POP is used extensively >: here.) > >-- >As far as I know, Linux runs much faster and is more compatable than any other >*nix clone for 386/486 pc's. 1) Recent benchmarks have put Linux and the *BSD's in the same speed class other than FS speeds, but this is due to the BSD FFS doing things a bit safer with regards to filesystem. (Yes, you may not have problems, but the possibility of damage is much less with the BSD FS as compared to the publically available Linux FS) 2) Compatible with what? Most of the code that is on the Net compiles w/out ANY modification on the BSD's, while much of the Linux code (used to) require minor tweaks. This is less so now that Linux fixes have been integrated into the main-stream packages, so compatability is not much of an issue. Depends on what you are doing as to which one is better. If there are 1000 Linux users locally and no BSD users, then by all means use Linux. However, I think you'll find that if you are a University site with Sun or Ultrix workstations and you have good sys. ads., you'll find they can help you more with the more standard (to them) BSD systems. BSD systems have a lot more commercially available documentation than existing Linux versions (and for those who cry source code is the best documentation that also exists), but that is changing. Finally, the two biggest advantages/disadvantages of both system (IMHO) are actively being changed right now. 1) BSD needs shared libraries, Linux has them 2) Linux needs better networking code, BSD has it. Both of the above are being implemented NOW, so the differences will be less clear in the future. (But that's good for everyone) When that happens Linux will be in the running with it's DOS emulator for DOS weenies ;), and BSD is going places with all sorts of new kernel developments in doing things more effeciently. (Some have stated we're dragging the BSD kernel into the 90's, but it's more like the 80's) My .02 worth, Nate -- nate@bsd.coe.montana.edu | Freely available *nix clones benefit everyone, nate@cs.montana.edu | so let's not compete with each other, let's work #: (406) 994-4836 | compete with folks who try to tie us down to home #: (406) 586-0579 | proprietary O.S.'s (Microsloth) - Me ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: kris@black.toppoint.de (Kristian Koehntopp) Subject: Re: mail daemon: smail, sendmail+IDA 5.6.x, Sendmail 8.6.4, umail Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 12:37:40 MET In h9090166@hkuxb.hku.hk (Chan Lap Wah Samson) writes: >Could someone explain some pros and cons on using Sendmail vs >smail or others? I'm using smail with Linux, it works ok so far. But >have heard other saying sendmail is good *and* easy (yet I've read some >posts comp.mail.sendmail about problems...) The difference between sendmail (any version) and smail is more a religious one. It has to do with relative ease of getting some jobs done and readability of configuration files: - sendmail configuration is said to be a secret science including donors of young living cats to a dark godess at midnight. sendmails configuration files have similarity to line noise or the winning entry into a regular expression abuse contest. smail configuration files look much more straightforward and are easier to read aloud, but this is a trick. The devil is in the detail and one should not let himself be fooled into the false belief that one understands what is being done in this configuration file just because it only contains plain english words. - Certain tasks can be done more easily in sendmail, other tasks can be done more easily in smail. Most common mail delivery problems are painless in both programs. In my personal opinion smail is much better for UNIX beginners, because it does throw that many special characters at you ("How shall I learn to write a sendmail configuration? I can even type it if it were given on a sheet of paper to me!"). Another startpoint for religious discussions is the general approach of both programs to mail headers. Whereas sendmail is base on header rewriting and actually transforms a message header, smail only reads it in and parses it, but reproduces the original header except when explicit rewrite commands are included into the configuration. Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Harmsstrasse 98, 24114 Kiel 1, +49 431 676689 "Auf welchem Channel seid Ihr?" "#toppoint!" "Wie schreibt man das?" -- Martin Seeger will in den irc. ------------------------------ From: jra@lawdept.daytonoh.ncr.com (John R. Ackermann) Subject: Re: Linux as a DOS fileserver? Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 13:52:45 GMT In article longyear@netcom.com (Alfred Longyear) writes: >Having TCP/IP as a transmission protocol does not guarantee the upper layers >are compatible. >Linux uses the UNIX model. Software such as telnet, ftp, nfs, lpd, etc. >serve the networking functions of Linux. >MSDOS uses a NetBios model. That LAN uses NCB and SMB system. The two >are not compatible. >The bottom line is that it can not be done with the present state of software >for both systems. There is software for MSDOS which will inter-operate with a >UNIX platform. There hasn't been much of a call for software on UNIX to >recognize SMBs. It may be an interesting project. Are you planning on writing >it? That's not strictly correct. There have been Unix versions of both Lan Manager and Novell available for several years on the commercial market. Of course they cost bucks, and are ported only to specific platforms. Until this fall I ran an early version of a Unix file server for the pre-LanMan Microsoft network protocol on an NCR Tower 68020-based system; it provided (slooowww) file and print services to a couple of Windows for Workgroups clients using TCP/IP transport. John ------------------------------ From: rabe@tschil.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Ralf G. R. Bergs) Subject: Re: /dev/mouse busy using 0.99pl14 Date: 6 Dec 1993 17:36:16 GMT dave@phonon.uwaterloo.ca (Dave A. B. Dobson) writes: >I have compiled the 0.99pl14 kernel and it boots fine but X cannot >allocate the mouse because it says it is busy, and so the X server refuses >to start. It works fine with 0.99pl11 kernel. I have a Microsoft Bus Mouse >and XFree 1.3. Kill the selection process. Ralf -- Ralf G. R. Bergs, Aachen University of Technology EE (comp. eng.) student snail: H"uckeswagener Str. 42, D-51647 Gummersbach, Fed. Rep. of Germany phone/fax: +49 2261 21968 email: rabe@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: cfwong@ie.cuhk.hk (wong chan foon) Subject: ethernet problem with linux SLS release 1.03 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 09:06:02 GMT Hi all, I have an experience to use Linux SLS 0.99 release 1.03 to install with a 3COM Ethernet driver, but I fail and can not can the eth0 interface driver. I have no problem with the older release. Can anyone has experience to install such a driver with release 1.02 and tell me how to solve this problem. BTW, I am using VL bus with Cirrus Logic display adaptor. Which older release support this adaptor and ethernet adaptor. Thanks a lot -- ======== Chan=Foon WONG, Wallace ----------------------- Email: cfwong@ie.cuhk.hk, Tel: 609-8372, Fax: 603-5032, HSH Rm 804, Dept. of Info. Engg., The Chinese Univ. of H.K., Shatin, N.T., Hong Kong. ------------------------------ From: wdevine@pvcea.pvamu.edu (William Devine II) Subject: Where's the source for /bin/login ? Date: 4 Dec 1993 01:20:11 GMT I am now using the modem (mdm206) server that came with slackware's source code. It is easier to dialin/dialout with it as it does not lock the device. Anyway, the problem i'm having now is that it isn't printing the /etc/issue before it gives a login: prompt. I would like to get the source code for login and edit it to add the cat /etc/issue command to it. Since i'm not a good c programmer (have not ever had the course actually) I figgered it'd be easier to modify login than modem206. With login i could just add it in before it prints the login: prompt, the way modem206 is made, i would have to program in a subroutine and modify some code. Is there a site that has all the source code used to compile the different distributions? william ------------------------------ From: klaus@Rhoen.ime.rwth-aachen.de (Klaus Wilhelm) Subject: NFS-Problems, package > mtu (=1500) Date: 06 Dec 1993 19:20:34 GMT We are using Linux pl12 on IBM 486-DX2/66. When mounting this Linux PC via NFS on an IBM RS6000 Workstation (AIX 3.2.4) we get the following message: UDP: send: length 3040 > mtu 1500 (ignored) Mounting the IBM RS6000 on the Linux PC works fine. We tried to enlarge the parameter dev->mtu in 8396.c, but the new kernel told us something like: kmalloc is called with impossibly large argument(43..). What must we do to get NFS working correctly ? ------------------------------ From: russed@rembrandt.its.rpi.edu (Dan Russell) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: mail daemon: smail, sendmail+IDA 5.6.x, Sendmail 8.6.4, umail Date: 6 Dec 1993 21:34:00 GMT kris@black.toppoint.de (Kristian Koehntopp) writes: >The difference between sendmail (any version) and smail is more >a religious one. It has to do with relative ease of getting >some jobs done and readability of configuration files: >- sendmail configuration is said to be a secret science > including donors of young living cats to a dark godess at > midnight. sendmails configuration files have similarity to > line noise or the winning entry into a regular expression > abuse contest. This is true of the sendmail.cf file, which no longer needs tweaking with the advent of 8.6.4. I have appended my ... >In my personal opinion smail is much better for UNIX >beginners, because it does throw that many special characters >at you ("How shall I learn to write a sendmail configuration? I >can even type it if it were given on a sheet of paper to me!"). No no no no no. :-) Read below. Read the docs which come with sendmail on how to transform this into a .cf file. It is a one-liner ("mf < bugs.mc > sendmail.cf" or something in the appropriate directory), but IMHO basic mail configuration is something which should be thoroughly understood by the admin of any box hung off of the Internet. dan russed@rpi.edu dan@bugs.stu.rpi.edu P.S. My machine name is bugs, thus the file name and RCS Id ======== Begin bugs.mc divert(-1) # # Copyright (c) 1983 Eric P. Allman # Copyright (c) 1988, 1993 # The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. # # Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without # modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions # are met: # 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright # notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. # 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright # notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the # documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. # 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software # must display the following acknowledgement: # This product includes software developed by the University of # California, Berkeley and its contributors. # 4. Neither the name of the University nor the names of its contributors # may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software # without specific prior written permission. # # THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE REGENTS AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' AND # ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE # IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE # ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE REGENTS OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE # FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL # DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS # OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) # HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT # LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY # OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF # SUCH DAMAGE. # # # This is the prototype file for a configuration that supports nothing # but basic SMTP connections via TCP. # # You may want to add an OSTYPE macro to get the location of various # support files for your operating system environment. # include(`../m4/cf.m4') # VERSIONID(`@(#)tcpproto.mc 8.2 (Berkeley) 8/21/93') VERSIONID(`$Id: bugs.mc,v 0.1 1993/11/23 21:32:02 sorcerer Exp sorcerer $') FEATURE(nouucp) MAILER(local) MAILER(smtp) ======== End of bugs.mc ------------------------------ From: whitem@herald.usask.ca (Matt White) Subject: Help with Imake Date: 6 Dec 1993 21:24:47 GMT This is probably a stupid question, but I can't find any real documentation... Does anyone have an Imake template file for Linux/XFree2.0? I'm running 0.99pl14 (original installation was the Slackware system...is there an Imake included in one of the other distributions?) Even some information about how to set one up would be handy. Thanks! ====================My real computer is an Amiga===================== - Matt White Matt.White@usask.ca - - Client Services whitem@jester.usask.ca - - Dept. of Computing Services University of Saskatchewan - ===================================================================== It sure is Monday... Ain't it a sin I've gotta work my way thru the week again. - Mark Chesnutt..."Sure Is Monday" ------------------------------ From: Bill.White@p3.f506.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Bill White) Subject: Does Linux work with Sager NP700? Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1993 23:57:20 -0500 Has anybody made linux run on a Sager NP700 or NP800 series machine? They seem to be very inexpensive, so there has to be something wrong with them. Thanks in advance. Peace, Bill White * Origin: R&D BBS's * `Side_of_Ham' Packet/UseNet/FidoNet Gateway (1:163/506.3) ------------------------------ From: kaihp@id.dth.dk (Kai Harrekilde-Petersen) Subject: Re: NFS-Problems, package > mtu (=1500) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 23:36:07 GMT In article klaus@Rhoen.ime.rwth-aachen.de (Klaus Wilhelm) writes: klaus@Rhoen.ime.rwth-aachen.de (Klaus Wilhelm) wrote: > We are using Linux pl12 on IBM 486-DX2/66. When mounting this Linux PC > via NFS on an IBM RS6000 Workstation (AIX 3.2.4) we get the following > message: > > UDP: send: length 3040 > mtu 1500 (ignored) > > Mounting the IBM RS6000 on the Linux PC works fine. We tried to > enlarge the parameter dev->mtu in 8396.c, but the new kernel told us > something like: kmalloc is called with impossibly large argument(43..). > > What must we do to get NFS working correctly ? I suggest that you start by installing the newest kernel (0.99pl14), as many network bugs has been corrected since pl12. The error you get is really that you tried to do a kmalloc() >4Kbytes. The old pl12 kernel can only allocate one page at the time (ie: 4Kbytes), but that has been fixed in pl14. This is also why you can have swap devices >16Mb nowadays (16M = 4K * 4K) Good luck, Kai Harrekilde-Petersen, / ------------------------------ From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) Subject: Re: NFS-Problems, package > mtu (=1500) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 93 02:51:52 GMT In article kaihp@id.dth.dk (Kai Harrekilde-Petersen) writes: >In article klaus@Rhoen.ime.rwth-aachen.de (Klaus Wilhelm) writes: > > klaus@Rhoen.ime.rwth-aachen.de (Klaus Wilhelm) wrote: > >> We are using Linux pl12 on IBM 486-DX2/66. When mounting this Linux PC >> via NFS on an IBM RS6000 Workstation (AIX 3.2.4) we get the following >> message: >> >> UDP: send: length 3040 > mtu 1500 (ignored) >> >> Mounting the IBM RS6000 on the Linux PC works fine. We tried to >> enlarge the parameter dev->mtu in 8396.c, but the new kernel told us >> something like: kmalloc is called with impossibly large argument(43..). >> >> What must we do to get NFS working correctly ? > >I suggest that you start by installing the newest kernel (0.99pl14), as many >network bugs has been corrected since pl12. > >The error you get is really that you tried to do a kmalloc() >4Kbytes. The old >pl12 kernel can only allocate one page at the time (ie: 4Kbytes), but that >has been fixed in pl14. This is also why you can have swap devices >16Mb >nowadays (16M = 4K * 4K) > >Good luck, > >Kai Harrekilde-Petersen, / > Is this for real?! Can someone confirm this? Linux now allowing kmalloc > 4096 bytes is a _MAJOR_ development! Heck, it would be really nice if people told us things like this, so lazy people like I would get off our *ss and upgrade more often! :) This will help fix/improve many, MANY things! Heck, this is the biggest development since thee Big Bang! (okay, perhaps I'm getting carried away... ;) Way to go Linus! :) ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Admin-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.admin) via: Internet: Linux-Admin@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Admin Digest ******************************