From: Digestifier To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Mon, 6 Dec 93 01:15:04 EST Subject: Linux-Admin Digest #205 Linux-Admin Digest #205, Volume #1 Mon, 6 Dec 93 01:15:04 EST Contents: Need Comm. Software ! (Marco Bertolucci) Re: Linux as a DOS fileserver? (Mike Horwath) alternative to getty_ps? (JL Gomez) Re: Watcher... (Mike Horwath) Re: Linux as a DOS fileserver? (Alex Liu) Don't use Motif for free sw: it now requires runtime royalties! (Glenn Pinkerton) Re: Once again, using tape drives under Linux (Kai Harrekilde-Petersen) Re: Followup on '#' problem (Pat St. Jean) Re: UNIX/PC Sys Admin opinions (Eternal Darkness) Re: lpd (Bob Martin) Re: mail daemon: smail, sendmail+IDA 5.6.x, Sendmail 8.6.4, umail (Ed Saffle) Re: How to set timezone information? (SSgt Kerry Schwab;WR-IPA/UFWC) /dev/mouse busy using 0.99pl14 (Dave A. B. Dobson) Making distributions of applications (Alex Liu) Re: inn and cnews difference(help) (Michael A. Irons) Sendmail-8.6.4 & 8-bit mail (Michael A. Irons) Re: FTP-Problems with LIN (John Will) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8ac@unb.ca (Marco Bertolucci) Subject: Need Comm. Software ! Reply-To: n8ac@unb.ca Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 19:27:43 GMT Hello, I am student enrolled in a course called System Engineering. The course's objective was to set up an electronic network to allow companies to share information. We have many companies that are interested in participating but we have had some trouble finding the proper communication software to run our network. The following are the requirements for our network: - full graphic interface between PC and VAX mainframe with normal phone line - VAX architecture might be too old and we do have the capacity to upgrade to an new system architecture which will be able to handle our demands. - PC remote station must be able to execute mainframe programs example : - ANSYS - UNIGRAPHICS - MATLAB - XMATH - ALGOR - etc - menu driven software - cost minimal; remote station must be able to use this network with minimal cost for upgrade - screen sharing capabilities (real time and transmission rate > 2400 baud) - file transfer must have choice of common communication protocols So far we know of : PC-X VISIT from Northern Telecom ( cannot be accessed from a remote station not having VISIT software) Any recommandations to what kind of commercial or public domain software we should use will be appreciated. Yesterday, I recieved a reply to address the comp.os.linux.* groups for help and it also mentioned that the software requirements I need may be meet by a software package called XFREE ? Will it, if so where can I get some information on it ? Thank you, Marco email:n8ac@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca ------------------------------ From: root@jacobs.mn.org (Mike Horwath) Subject: Re: Linux as a DOS fileserver? Date: 5 Dec 1993 19:35:10 GMT This costs money, but PCNFS should work with a just about any UNIX type system, and I thinkt here is a specialized daemon for linux, but I could be wrong and have been before. I have NCSA telnet and ftp setup on a dos machine connected to my home network, works great, but there is no NFS in NCSA stuff :( -- Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau BBS: Drechsau LIFE: lover root@jacobs.mn.org drechsau@jacobs.mn.org Jacob's Ladder 612-588-0201 UUCP, UseNet, Linux files, BBS ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: alternative to getty_ps? From: jgomezr@neptune.uucp (JL Gomez) Date: 5 Dec 93 12:33:13 PST Can someone recommend an alternative getty to getty_ps? Thanks for the FTP name and directory! -- jgomezr@neptune.calstatela.edu ------------------------------ From: root@jacobs.mn.org (Mike Horwath) Subject: Re: Watcher... Date: 5 Dec 1993 20:15:40 GMT Rob Shady (crt@tiamat.umd.umich.edu) wrote: : root@jacobs.mn.org (Mike Horwath) writes: : >Why do you need to 'spy' on them? : [Various forms of complaining deleted] : You obviously haven't run a large system where users are spread out over : several hundred miles (or any large distances, larger than 20 feet). If : you have, you almost definately would have run into a problem at some : point or another where a user is having a problem, and you can't figure it : out without seeing EXACTLY what he is typing, and what he is getting back : (because we all know users tell us EXACTLY what they are typing/seeing!). : This has happened to me quite often, and it's frustrating to not be able : to figure it out. Alot of times it turns out to be REAL stupid things : like, saying "type C D H O M E ABC ", and come : to find out, they keep typing cd \home\abc or something. and you obviously would rather not even consider someone posting as a system administrator huh? I have run (and current administer) large installations from HPs to rs/6Ks and suns. If you know how to talk to your users, then you can find the problem, if the user can't tell you what is going on, then the user isn't trying hard enough himself to solve the problem and it is not the administrators fault at all. If the user can't tell you exactly, then you need to find where the problem lies, like is he/she using the right terminal emulation? or what application is the user in. the slash problem can be fixed very easy (your example) by saying before you tell them what to type that when you say the word 'slash' it means the slash under the '?' key, not the backslash and when you want them to type a '\', you will say it as 'backslash'. -- Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau BBS: Drechsau LIFE: lover root@jacobs.mn.org drechsau@jacobs.mn.org 612-588-0201 UUCP, UseNet, Linux files, BBS, shell accounts ------------------------------ From: aliu@aludra.usc.edu (Alex Liu) Subject: Re: Linux as a DOS fileserver? Date: 5 Dec 1993 15:18:03 -0800 I am doing this right now as we speak. I am using Linux as a standard NFS server and I have in my DOS machine NFS client software from FTP Software. (PC/TCP kernel + Interdrive). Also you can get Beamse&Whitside NFS software. (You should be able to get demo versions from them till the end of december) There is one more option. There is a PD Pathworks server for Unix. Compiles just fine under Linux. It supposedly implement NetBIOS over TCP/IP. If you have a LAN Manager client you might be able to access files on the Linux machine using NetBIOSs over TCP/IP -- _____________________________________________________________________________ Alejandro Liu |EMail: aliu@usc.edu |All mispellings are intentional 424N Electric Ave. #C |Voice: 818-293-8696 |Anything mentioned here is not Alhambra,CA 91801 |Data: 818-293-XXXX |necessarily true. ------------------------------ From: Glenn.Pinkerton@p3.f506.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Glenn Pinkerton) Subject: Don't use Motif for free sw: it now requires runtime royalties! Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 19:31:40 -0500 In article kaleb@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Kaleb Keithley) writes: > >Perhaps someone would like to substantiate heresay with some factual data. . . > >I sincerely doubt this had anything to do with Motif. The whole library >is ~500k on a Sun SPARC. Even if your link editor pulls in every last >module in libXm, libXt, and libX11, (statically linked) the libraries >only contribute ~1.5meg, unstripped. That 35 meg came from somewhere >else. > >Kaleb Keithley > Certainly the library is not all that large, but the library size has little to do with the actual amount of memory used at run time. I do not have the exact numbers available, but I recall that the Motif list widget (in 1.1.x) used an exorbitant amount of memory. I did a project that used very long scrolled lists (30 k lines). These lists would take up 6 to 8 meg of memory in the list widget itself. (I haven't tried this with 1.2.x so maybe its fixed now.) So, the impression of Motif being bloated is not completely off base as far as I am concerned. It wouldn't take alot of long list widgets that the gui builder creates to add up to 35 meg. The program that I worked on which included these long lists routinely ran at 20 megs. Just my 2 cents worth. Glenn Pinkerton glp@csn.org * Origin: R&D BBS's * `Side_of_Ham' Packet/UseNet/FidoNet Gateway (1:163/506.3) ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: kaihp@id.dth.dk (Kai Harrekilde-Petersen) Subject: Re: Once again, using tape drives under Linux Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 00:53:07 GMT > Still waiting for ftape-0.9.7. But my compliments > to the brave author of ftape-0.9.6. It's out NOW! get it from tsx-11 in pub/linux/ALPHA/QIC-80 This release requires pl14 (sorry guys) > Why won't he/she reveal his/her self so we can send > money? > Maybe if every linux user that has a QIC-40/80 > drive sent the author $1.......... It's not in the "Linux spirit" to ask for money. (Although Bas could have used the money a month ago, when his disks burned (Literaly!)) The author is Bas Laarhoven, of Holland. The main problem with the ftape code at the moment is the Error Correcting Code (ecc) implementation. That's why you can write a backup and when you retrieve it, find out that it's bogus :-( Bas and I are working on it (well, Bas mostly as I have a deadline for my master's thesis soon) Kai Harrekilde-Petersen email : kaihp@id.dth.dk or khp@imladris.mic.dth.dk ------------------------------ From: stjeanp@math.enmu.edu (Pat St. Jean) Subject: Re: Followup on '#' problem Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 01:27:50 GMT Tim Miller writes -> -> Oh, I forgot to mention that the '#' problem I discussed not 2 minutes -> ago only occurs while running Xwindows...(twm with xdm running) -> -> Tim Miller would that problem be in something like vi? if you can't type # on vi and such in x, check your xterm stty settings....i'll be it was like mine, with the # set to kill line or something equally creative... if this isn't the problem will someone please help me take my foot out of my mouth? humbly --Pat =========================================================================== Pat St. Jean stjeanp@math.enmu.edu Eastern New Mexico University Systems Administrator =========================================================================== ms-windows is a shell and ms-dos is a boot virus run Linux and do something real with that machine =========================================================================== ------------------------------ From: jake@acca.nmsu.edu (Eternal Darkness) Subject: Re: UNIX/PC Sys Admin opinions Date: 6 Dec 1993 01:54:10 GMT Joe Ryan (ryan@magnet.fsu.edu) wrote: : Attention UNIX/PC System Administrators! : I would like to have some general/specific opinions from people : who read this newsgroup and would have any advice or comment (from : experience) on any of the following: : LINUX : 386BSD : FreeBSD <---- these are not listed : NetBSD in any prferential order. : Minix : or any other : The primary, initial, function will be to set up eMail accounts, : running sendmail and some POP mail daemon. (POP is used extensively : here.) -- As far as I know, Linux runs much faster and is more compatable than any other *nix clone for 386/486 pc's. There is also a lot of good stuff out there for Linux on the net. I have a buddy that runs a 486 w/ Linux and loves it. Also, I THINK that it may run SOME MS-Dos software. Don't quote me on that, though. Sincerely, Jake Skinner Garcia For: Eternal Darkness =============================================================================== "Let's have a black celebration | Jake Skinner Garcia: | "Eat my to celebrate the fact that | jake@scf.nmsu.edu | shorts, we've seen the back of another | jake@kazak.nmsu.edu | man!" black day." (Depeche Mode) | jake@rever.nmsu.edu | (Bart) =============================================================================== NM Technet 1993 SCC project | ch140jg@alpha.lanl.gov | hosts: | ch140jg@technet.nm.org | =============================================================================== ------------------------------ From: bob@rbm01.ci.net (Bob Martin) Subject: Re: lpd Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 02:32:52 GMT Robeo (scc016rf@unm.edu) wrote: : when I try to print with lpr I get the familiar : lpr: connect: No such file or directory : jobs queued, but cannot start daemon. The printer daemon requires an entry in the services file for the networking stuff. I believe I added an entry like printer 515/tcp This was more than a year ago that I fixed this. After that its been running fine. Check and see if you have such an entry. -- bob martin bob@rbm01.ci.net ------------------------------ From: ed@uunet.uu.net (Ed Saffle) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: mail daemon: smail, sendmail+IDA 5.6.x, Sendmail 8.6.4, umail Date: 5 Dec 1993 21:59:38 -0500 kai@depeche.toppoint.de (Kai Voigt) writes: >In h9090166@hkuxb.hku.hk (Chan Lap Wah Samson) writes: >>Hi, > >>Could someone explain some pros and cons on using Sendmail vs >>smail or others? I'm using smail with Linux, it works ok so far. But >>have heard other saying sendmail is good *and* easy (yet I've read some >>posts comp.mail.sendmail about problems...) > >>Should I switch to it? Or follow the universal golden rule: > >> "If it ain't break, dont' fix it." > I'll agree that if what you have works, then stay with it. I pieced stuff together in my setup, and when it came time to add the email stuff, I didn't know which to use, and had no currently running stuff. I chose sendmail (the one with IDA-1.5) and it seems to work. I think I saw earlier in the thread that someone had mentioned the sendmail book recently put out by O'Reilly & Associates, it's a good book (at least so far, I am not done with it yet). -Ed ------------------------------ From: kschwab@robins.af.mil (SSgt Kerry Schwab;WR-IPA/UFWC) Subject: Re: How to set timezone information? Date: 5 Dec 93 15:06:41 GMT Maxim Matveev (mmatveev@boi.hp.com) wrote: : Hi, : Can anybody explain me, how to set timezone information on Linux? : First, I simple set TZ environment variable - no effect, : after I try to play with settimeofday. Sure it set desired time, : but not timezone. : Really this is the honor for me to live near London, but : please bring me back to Idaho :) : Max : -- : %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% : Max Matveev (208) 396-7900 (work) : mmatveev@hpbs669.boi.hp.com (208) 385-9103 (home) From /usr/lib/zoneinfo/time.doc: 1) set /usr/lib/zoneinfo/localtime and /usr/lib/zoneinfo/posixrules. You should copy the file for your time zone. E.g. if you are in the U.S. Eastern time zone, do cd /usr/lib/zoneinfo cp US/Eastern localtime ln localtime posixrules Localtime defines the local time zone. Posixrules defines the zone to be used to interpret the TZ environment variable. Since it's far more convenient simply to use the right time zone file, nothing more will be said here about how the TZ variable is used. -- Kerry ------------------------------ From: dave@phonon.uwaterloo.ca (Dave A. B. Dobson) Subject: /dev/mouse busy using 0.99pl14 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 03:00:20 GMT I have compiled the 0.99pl14 kernel and it boots fine but X cannot allocate the mouse because it says it is busy, and so the X server refuses to start. It works fine with 0.99pl11 kernel. I have a Microsoft Bus Mouse and XFree 1.3. I have seen other postings from people having the same problem, but no solutions. Can anyone help? Thanks, Dave =================================================================== Dave Dobson dave@phonon.uwaterloo.ca or dave@eos.uwaterloo.ca University of Waterloo, Electrical & Computer Engineering, Silicon Devices and Integrated Circuits Research Group (SiDIC) -- =================================================================== Dave Dobson dave@phonon.uwaterloo.ca or dave@eos.uwaterloo.ca University of Waterloo, Electrical & Computer Engineering, Silicon Devices and Integrated Circuits Research Group (SiDIC) ------------------------------ From: Alex.Liu@p3.f506.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Alex Liu) Subject: Making distributions of applications Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1993 23:01:53 -0500 I was wondering if there is any standard in Linux for making application distributions. So far the only de-facto standard I have seen seems to be the one used by Slackware/SLS disks. Allthough useful I think it is missing a couple of key features. Namely being able to handle upgrades of existing software. (So users configuration files and not overwritten) Also version control. I could be installing an older (obsolete?) version of a program and don't know any better. What do you guys think? -- _____________________________________________________________________________ Alejandro Liu |EMail: aliu@usc.edu |All mispellings are intentional 424N Electric Ave. #C |Voice: 818-293-8696 |Anything mentioned here is not Alhambra,CA 91801 |Data: 818-293-XXXX |necessarily true. * Origin: R&D BBS's * `Side_of_Ham' Packet/UseNet/FidoNet Gateway (1:163/506.3) ------------------------------ From: mirons@icarus.ci.net (Michael A. Irons) Subject: Re: inn and cnews difference(help) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 17:03:28 GMT One thing you need to know about INN is it needs memory. Megs & Megs of memory. It keeps it's tables in mem, and if you don't have enough you'll crash, or have to kill off the history file (the file that prevents you from getting multi-copies of the same art) and restarting your INN stuff up. The experience here was, however, with a machines serving several others & getting a _complete_ feed. Personally I go with Cnews as it's really the standard, and INN is geared towards a nntp I'm on the internet directly life. I'd say (UUCP == Cnews) || (nntp == INN) depending on how you feed your site, and feed others. Note that Cnews doesn't handle nntp as a builtin -- Mike Irons mirons@Icarus.CI.NET ------------------------------ From: mirons@icarus.ci.net (Michael A. Irons) Subject: Sendmail-8.6.4 & 8-bit mail Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 17:10:39 GMT The new Sendmail-8.6.4 does indeed handle 8-bit mail, by default infact. It even wraps all those pesky little error messages in mime for you. Might want to check it out. Also it has an IDA-like (it's not IDA but m4 based like IDA) config script building. -- Mike Irons mirons@Icarus.CI.NET ------------------------------ From: john.will@satalink.com (John Will) Subject: Re: FTP-Problems with LIN Date: 3 Dec 93 15:21:00 GMT R >Bug, methinks - happens exactly as you describe right here too. R >What I haven't tried yet is newer than pl13 kernels - this may be a R >good move as rumour has it that a few net-2 bugs have been fixed in R >the interim. It could also be NCSA - it has some problems with messages R >but not quite the same symptoms... I have the same sort of problems with WinQVT 3.94 ftp'ing to Linux, it freezes up listing the directory, and will finally hang, sending me invalid port number errors. I have no problems with ftp from WinQVT to a Sun IPX running 4.1.3. OTOH, I can ftp from PC-NFS most of the time, though it occasionally gets confused, and I've never seen any problem with the Sun ftp'ing to the Linux box. I'm running 99pl13t, 99pl14 has problems here. Packet received from 140.176.2.152,21 for invalid port 12165 (reset sent) Packet received from 140.176.2.152,21 for invalid port 12165 (reset sent) ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Admin-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.admin) via: Internet: Linux-Admin@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Admin Digest ******************************