From: Digestifier To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Sun, 5 Dec 93 05:13:16 EST Subject: Linux-Admin Digest #203 Linux-Admin Digest #203, Volume #1 Sun, 5 Dec 93 05:13:16 EST Contents: Re: inn and cnews difference(help) (Arjan de Vet) Re: Linux as a DOS fileserver? (Alfred Longyear) Re: Is there a 8-bit clean version of gopher for linux? (Kai Arstila) Re: PPP for linux? (Alfred Longyear) the '#' and vi/ed (Tim Miller) Followup on '#' problem (Tim Miller) Upgrade: Evolution or Revolution? (Aubrey Jaffer) Re: mail daemon: smail, sendmail+IDA 5.6.x, Sendmail 8.6.4, umail (Vince Skahan) Re: backup using floppies (Bill C. Riemers) Re: the '#' and vi/ed (Kai Petzke) Re: inn and cnews difference(help) (Mike Horwath) Re: mail daemon: smail, sendmail+IDA 5.6.x, Sendmail 8.6.4, umail (Joern Jensen) Re: Working NIS anywhere? (Mark T. Ganzer) Re: mail daemon: smail, sendmail+IDA 5.6.x, Sendmail 8.6.4, umail (Delman Lee) Re: the '#' and vi/ed (Robeo) Re: Linux as a DOS fileserver? (Dawn Brenneman) Re: Linux as a DOS fileserver? (Dawn Brenneman) EXT2 filesystem unrecoverable error - HELP!!!!! (Ed Carp) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: devet@adv.win.tue.nl (Arjan de Vet) Subject: Re: inn and cnews difference(help) Date: 4 Dec 1993 14:59:19 +0100 In article , Stan chan wrote: >I am using INN as the news server instead of cnews. This package calls for >another nntp as the news feeder to it instead of uucp feed as the cnews. >I am wondering if it is possible to sue the same scheme for news feed from >the feeder as cnews instead of using nntp feed because I can find a uucp feed >easily but nntp feed seems to be a problem . INN supports both NNTP and UUCP feeds very easily. See my INN 1.4 for Linux port: ftp.win.tue.nl:/pub/linux/ports/inn-1.4-linux-0.1.tar.gz Arjan -- Arjan de Vet (home) Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands (work) ------------------------------ From: longyear@netcom.com (Alfred Longyear) Subject: Re: Linux as a DOS fileserver? Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1993 18:37:19 GMT Dawn Brenneman writes: >I'd like to use a Linux box as a fileserver for an ethernet network running >Windows for Workgroups (TCP/IP as the protocol). Does anyone administer >a Linux network that serves DOS applications to the various nodes? >(The idea here is to have an internet host that doubles as a fileserver...) Having TCP/IP as a transmission protocol does not guarantee the upper layers are compatible. Linux uses the UNIX model. Software such as telnet, ftp, nfs, lpd, etc. serve the networking functions of Linux. MSDOS uses a NetBios model. That LAN uses NCB and SMB system. The two are not compatible. The bottom line is that it can not be done with the present state of software for both systems. There is software for MSDOS which will inter-operate with a UNIX platform. There hasn't been much of a call for software on UNIX to recognize SMBs. It may be an interesting project. Are you planning on writing it? ------------------------------ From: arstila@karhu.Helsinki.FI (Kai Arstila) Subject: Re: Is there a 8-bit clean version of gopher for linux? Date: 4 Dec 1993 21:39:58 +0200 Yi-Tsun Chang (ytchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote: > Sorry for wasting the bandwidth. I have been looking for an 8-bit clean version > of gopher for the cxterm for quite some time. All I got (source or binary) is > 7-bit version. If you know where I can get one, or even point me how to convert > a 7-bit version to 8-bit version, please send a message to me. I'll be very > much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Try to compile your gopher-client with ncurses instead of the default curses-library. Version 1.8.1 of the ncurses gives 8-bit clean gopher-client for me. > Alex ================= Kai Arstila University of Helsinki Department of Physics ------------------------------ From: longyear@netcom.com (Alfred Longyear) Subject: Re: PPP for linux? Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1993 18:46:32 GMT dingbat@diku.dk (Niels Skov Olsen) writes: >#include That is the start of true wisdom. :-) >Will PPP allow me to create a point-to-point link to a machine >where I have only non-root access. To rephrase: can I start a PPP >server as a normal user on the remote and bring up a link to the >linux box without having to involve an administrator on the remote >system? NO. You will have to involve your system administrator. PPP is treated as if it was a device for a local area network. You will have to route IP frames to the device. Routing frames requires root access. If you just wish to retrieve files, then check out sz and rz. If you wish a general server function, then try Kermit's server mode. If you wish a "peer" connection to your LAN via PPP, then you will have to talk to the administrator of your system. On the server side, there is normally a "ppp" user whose shell is the pppd program. You would logon as this "ppp" user (using the normal getty/login program). The login will then start the PPP link. ------------------------------ From: tem1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Tim Miller) Subject: the '#' and vi/ed Date: 4 Dec 93 21:21:58 GMT This little problem I am having is sending me through the roof and I have no clue how to fix it. I assume it is a admin problem since these are global user commands. Anyways, when I am using any program, erase is always the backspace (^H) key and delete is always its own separate thing (^?). However! When I start vi or ed, and try to comment out lines using the '#' key, I have discovered that '#' is now the erase key sequence and the regular erase sequences just spit out what keystroke they are (^? or ^H). Now this is VERY irritating as I can not edit squat (other than with emacs *grumble*). How do I fix this problem? FOR YOUR INFO: Slackware 1.0.5, .99.pl13. Xfree86 1.3 386-20DX with 387D...(yes, feel sorry for me :) 6 megs o' RAM, 340 MB HD...anything else is irrelevant I hope. Tim Miller ------------------------------ From: tem1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Tim Miller) Subject: Followup on '#' problem Date: 4 Dec 93 21:29:13 GMT Oh, I forgot to mention that the '#' problem I discussed not 2 minutes ago only occurs while running Xwindows...(twm with xdm running) Tim Miller ------------------------------ From: jaffer@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Aubrey Jaffer) Subject: Upgrade: Evolution or Revolution? Date: 4 Dec 93 17:11:01 I am currently running SLS1.01, kernel 99pl10, and Xfree86 1.2. I would like to upgrade to Xfree2.0 and a more modern kernel. Can I do this incrementally, or is this too severe a change? I realize I need a new gcc and libraries (and binaries?) to run Xfree 2.0. What would be the order of packages to download in order to upgrade incrementally? ------------------------------ From: vince@victrola.wa.com (Vince Skahan) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: mail daemon: smail, sendmail+IDA 5.6.x, Sendmail 8.6.4, umail Date: 4 Dec 1993 12:48:57 -0800 h9090166@hkuxb.hku.hk (Chan Lap Wah Samson) writes: >Could someone explain some pros and cons on using Sendmail vs >smail or others? I'm using smail with Linux, it works ok so far. But >have heard other saying sendmail is good *and* easy (yet I've read some >posts comp.mail.sendmail about problems...) [...personal opinion mode on...] First, if it ain't broke...do NOT fix it unless you're looking for an opportunity to learn something new. Same goes for upgrades to new packages, kernels, libraries, etc. Don't mess with stuff that will get you nothing in 'net value' (unless the experience of messing with it and understanding it is the value to you). [...sendmail+IDA zealot mode on :-)...] I don't know how things can be easier to configure and maintain than sendmail5.67a+IDA1.5 - it does everything all the others do and it's extremely simple to configure, test, and maintain. sendmail without IDA enhancements is a bit of a pain to 'get fancy' with but for normal stuff it's ok. You can make a career out of sendmail.cf configuration however :-( sendmail8.6.4 is the new kid on the block and has lots of improvements over sendmail5.65. It's also supposed to be easier to maintain like sendmail+IDA. I personally find it more complicated to figure out and I can't make it do all the same things I can make sendmail+IDA do. However, that might be because I'm still 'thinking IDA' and it isn't IDA :-) I can't think of too many nice things to say about smail3.1.28 these days. The others blow its doors off IMHO in terms of functionality, ease of use, and size of the expert admin community on USENET. It *does* get the job done once you get the hang of it however, but I find it extremely complicated to do fancy stuff with. My recommendation is to read comp.mail.sendmail, buy the O'Reilly 'sendmail' book that's out, and pick either sendmail+IDA or sendmail8.6.4 (both of which have clean ports to Linux). I run sendmail+IDA here and on 300+ systems at work and can't think of anything it can't do simply and effectively. If you're talking Linux only, Rich Braun has a real nice port of sendmail5.65c+IDA1.4.4.1 on sunsite. Based on Rich's work, I got the current version (5.67a+IDA1.5) compiled and run it here from the vanilla sources from ftp.uiuc.edu. Maybe someday I'll complete putting a package of the new version together and uploading it to the normal Linux sites. -- ---------- Vince Skahan --------- vince@victrola.wa.com ------------- Today's words to delete from the English language: "Buttafuoco", "Bobbitt", "Michael Jackson" ------------------------------ From: bcr@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Bill C. Riemers) Subject: Re: backup using floppies Date: 4 Dec 93 18:34:23 GMT The only advantage in functionality of cpio is the ability to archive files with names longer than 255 characters. Also, older versions of tar had problems archiving special devices. Other than these slight differences, it is just a matter of taste. Personally I prefere tar, because that is what I'm used to. It looks like cpio takes about 0.5% less space, but both tar and cpio fail to preserve holes, and take up much more space than really needed for directories like /lib. Bill ------------------------------ From: wpp@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Kai Petzke) Subject: Re: the '#' and vi/ed Date: 5 Dec 1993 00:11:50 GMT In tem1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Tim Miller) writes: >Anyways, when I am using any program, erase is always the backspace (^H) >key and delete is always its own separate thing (^?). However! When >I start vi or ed, and try to comment out lines using the '#' key, I >have discovered that '#' is now the erase key sequence and the regular >erase sequences just spit out what keystroke they are (^? or ^H). >FOR YOUR INFO: > Slackware 1.0.5, .99.pl13. Xfree86 1.3 ^^^^^^^^^^^ I would guess, you log in via xdm. Xfree86 has an xdm, which is broken in many ways - it messes up terminal settings, group settings, and may hang your server, when logging out the second time. To fix the problem with #, type: stty sane before starting vi, or include it into your .profile/.login file (depending, on which shell you use). -- Kai wpp@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de Advertisement by Microsoft in a well-known German magazine: If you don't like our programmes, than make your own ones. However, they expect you to use Microsoft products for this -:) ------------------------------ From: root@jacobs.mn.org (Mike Horwath) Subject: Re: inn and cnews difference(help) Date: 4 Dec 1993 21:54:27 GMT Stan chan (schan@hertz.eese.qut.edu.au) wrote: : i am trying to set up a Linux box for nntp type of news server to my local : network. I have no news admin experience and so have to ask a few questions : before I can start setting it up. : I am using INN as the news server instead of cnews. This package calls for : another nntp as the news feeder to it instead of uucp feed as the cnews. : I am wondering if it is possible to sue the same scheme for news feed from : the feeder as cnews instead of using nntp feed because I can find a uucp feed : easily but nntp feed seems to be a problem . : I cannot use cnews supplied with Linux becsue it does not provide nntp : server for my local network here. : Any one can give me some suggestins on which way is the best?? : Stanley Chan Phone 61 7 8771016 Fax 61 7 8771120 : e-mail schan@hertz.eese.qut.edu.au I use INN for both nntp and UUCP feeding both ways, works great. Just read the documentation and follow the examples for UUCP feeding and nntp feeding and readership. Here is a copy of my crontab for doing uucp batching and a copy of my newsfeeds file for creating the batch to them. ======================================== SHELL=/bin/sh MAILTO=news 0 * * * * /usr/local/lib/news/bin/sendbatch -g insight 6 * * * * /usr/local/lib/news/bin/sendbatch -c haapi 10 * * * * /usr/local/lib/news/bin/sendbatch -g exchange 12 * * * * /usr/local/lib/news/bin/sendbatch -g gnume 00,10,20,30,40,50 * * * * /usr/local/lib/news/send-nntp 20 * * * * /bin/rnews -U 10 1 * * * /usr/local/lib/news/bin/news.daily ========================================= ME\ :!*\ :: #gnume, haapi, insight are all UUCP fed/received. gnume/gnume.jacobs.mn.org\ :!*,alt.sources,alt.sources.*,comp.*,control,gnu.*,!junk/!local\ :Tf,Wfb: haapi/haapi.mn.org\ :!*,alt.wedding,!bbs.*,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.*,!for.*,\ !general,!junk,!local.*,news.*,rec.humor,rec.humor.*/!local\ :Tf,Wfb: insight/insight.jacobs.mn.org\ :!*,alt.aquaria,alt.sources,alt.sources.*,comp.*,control,gnu.*,\ !junk,rec.aquaria,sci.aquaria/!local\ :Tf,Wfb: #below is my nntp fed site, it feeds me also when needed. threems/threems.jacobs.mn.org\ :*,!junk/!local\ :Tf,Wnm: # Overview data base. @overview\ :*\ :Tc,WO:/usr/local/lib/news/bin/overchan =========================================== I hope this helps somewhat, it is more examples than anything. -- Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau BBS: Drechsau LIFE: lover root@jacobs.mn.org drechsau@jacobs.mn.org Jacob's Ladder 612-588-0201 UUCP, UseNet, Linux files, BBS ------------------------------ From: jornj@edb.tih.no (Joern Jensen) Subject: Re: mail daemon: smail, sendmail+IDA 5.6.x, Sendmail 8.6.4, umail Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 00:52:31 GMT Vince Skahan (vince@victrola.wa.com) writes: : h9090166@hkuxb.hku.hk (Chan Lap Wah Samson) writes: : >Could someone explain some pros and cons on using Sendmail vs : >smail or others? I'm using smail with Linux, it works ok so far. But : >have heard other saying sendmail is good *and* easy (yet I've read some : >posts comp.mail.sendmail about problems...) [some deleted] : I can't think of too many nice things to say about smail3.1.28 these days. : The others blow its doors off IMHO in terms of functionality, ease of use, : and size of the expert admin community on USENET. It *does* get the job : done once you get the hang of it however, but I find it extremely : complicated to do fancy stuff with. After using sendmail5.65+IDA for a while, I changed to smail.3.1.28 because smail is capable of sending 8-bit mail. Due to local configuration, I found that attractive. I've not found an easy way to get sendmail to cope with 8-bit mail, but I've not tried the two versions of sendmail mentioned by Mr. Skahan. //jornj ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development From: ganzer@nosc.mil (Mark T. Ganzer) Subject: Re: Working NIS anywhere? Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 05:05:10 GMT Kjetil Torgrim Homme (kjetilho@ifi.uio.no) wrote: : So... Are anyone using NIS on their Linux-machines? Any clues to : offer? I have just installed the yp-linux binaries on a machine at work. I had problems as well (this was on a Slackware 1.1.0 installation) until I backed libc down from 4.4.4 to the libc.4.4.2 included in the yp-linux binaries. Being new to linux, I don't know what problems the reverting to the slightly older libraries will cause... I haven't seen any yet. I have the libc.4.4.4 sources, and the NIS routines are definitely there, but I haven't tried recompiling them yet (the documentation on doing this is VERY sketchy). -- Mark T. Ganzer Naval Command, Control & Ocean Surveillance Center, ganzer@opus.nosc.mil RDT&E Division (aka NRaD), San Diego, CA ------------------------------ From: delman@mipg.upenn.edu (Delman Lee) Subject: Re: mail daemon: smail, sendmail+IDA 5.6.x, Sendmail 8.6.4, umail Date: 5 Dec 93 01:53:21 In article jornj@edb.tih.no (Joern Jensen) writes: After using sendmail5.65+IDA for a while, I changed to smail.3.1.28 because smail is capable of sending 8-bit mail. Due to local configuration, I found that attractive. I've not found an easy way to get sendmail to cope with 8-bit mail, but I've not tried the two versions of sendmail mentioned by Mr. Skahan. FYI, sendmail-8.6.4 supports both eight-bit clean and seven-bit mail. -- ______________________________________________________________________ Delman Lee Tel.: +1-215-662-6780 Medical Image Processing Group, Fax.: +1-215-898-9145 University of Pennsylvania, 4/F Blockley Hall, 418 Service Drive, Philadelphia, PA 19104-6021, U.S.A.. Internet: delman@mipg.upenn.edu ______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: scc016rf@unm.edu (Robeo) Subject: Re: the '#' and vi/ed Date: 5 Dec 1993 00:46:26 -0700 In article , Tim Miller wrote: >This little problem I am having is sending me through the roof and >I have no clue how to fix it. I assume it is a admin problem since >these are global user commands. > >Anyways, when I am using any program, erase is always the backspace (^H) >key and delete is always its own separate thing (^?). However! When >I start vi or ed, and try to comment out lines using the '#' key, I >have discovered that '#' is now the erase key sequence and the regular >erase sequences just spit out what keystroke they are (^? or ^H). > >Now this is VERY irritating as I can not edit squat (other than with emacs >*grumble*). How do I fix this problem? > >FOR YOUR INFO: > Slackware 1.0.5, .99.pl13. Xfree86 1.3 > 386-20DX with 387D...(yes, feel sorry for me :) > 6 megs o' RAM, 340 MB HD...anything else is irrelevant I hope. > >Tim Miller > Ya,this is bugging the hell out of me too. I'm running xwindows and I usually end up using xedit...but I prefer vi,it's an old habit :) Robert scc016rf@carina.unm.edu ch118rf@alpha.lanl.gov ch118rf@technet.nm.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 03:36:59 EST From: Dawn Brenneman Subject: Re: Linux as a DOS fileserver? In article , longyear@netcom.com (Alfred Longyear) says: > >Dawn Brenneman writes: > >>I'd like to use a Linux box as a fileserver for an ethernet network running >>Windows for Workgroups (TCP/IP as the protocol). Does anyone administer >>a Linux network that serves DOS applications to the various nodes? > >>(The idea here is to have an internet host that doubles as a fileserver...) > >Having TCP/IP as a transmission protocol does not guarantee the upper layers >are compatible. Granted. >Linux uses the UNIX model. Software such as telnet, ftp, nfs, lpd, etc. >serve the networking functions of Linux. > >MSDOS uses a NetBios model. That LAN uses NCB and SMB system. The two >are not compatible. Ok, I'll buy that. >The bottom line is that it can not be done with the present state of software >for both systems. There is software for MSDOS which will inter-operate with a >UNIX platform. There hasn't been much of a call for software on UNIX to >recognize SMBs. It may be an interesting project. Are you planning on writing >it? I have to disagree. All I was asking for was if someone has found a way for a Linux box to share files with other (DOS based) stations. This shouldn't be rocket science. Notice I said nothing about record locking of databases or even read/write access. I'm concerned first with the DOS machines being able to read DOS files on the Linux server. After all, a Un*x machine can FTP files to a DOS harddrive, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that it could NFS mount that same drive. What I'm getting at here is that I want a server for DOS files on a network (10BaseT) and I want a Unix box on that same network. It would be spiffy if they could both be the same machine. -- dmb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 03:47:27 EST From: Dawn Brenneman Subject: Re: Linux as a DOS fileserver? In article <1993Dec4.120337.23272@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, c@angela.acad.cai.cam.ac.uk (Chris Royle) says: > >In comp.os.linux.admin, Dawn Brenneman (DMB160@psuvm.psu.edu) wrote: >> I'd like to use a Linux box as a fileserver for an ethernet network running >> Windows for Workgroups (TCP/IP as the protocol). Does anyone administer >> a Linux network that serves DOS applications to the various nodes? > >> (The idea here is to have an internet host that doubles as a fileserver...) > >> -- >> dmb > >I'll be impressed when I see that one happening.... :-) Better still, >why not port novell 3.11 to Linux :-)) (Oops... i think my calendar is wrong, >it seems to be showing April 1st...). Just teasing... > >Chris. Funny, Chris. But as I say in a later article, I am only interested in sharing DOS files with DOS machines. Do you really believe that to be an April Fools joke? -- dmb ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.help From: ecarp@netcom.com (Ed Carp) Subject: EXT2 filesystem unrecoverable error - HELP!!!!! Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 09:51:46 GMT HELP!!! I'm running 0.99.14, with e2fsck 0.3 (but 0.4 gives me the same result) I run e2fsck on my root partition. It gives me a read error: fsck.ext2: read failed in cache_read_block Then it STOPS! It won't continue, it won't fix the filesystem. When the system comes up, and it hits the directory where the problem is, the damned kernel PANICS! kernel panic: EXT2-fs panic: ext2_read_inode: unable to read i-node block How do I get around this? This is a production system, and the thing won't come up! HELP!!! You can reach me this morning at 800/261-6630 - I will be here until I can get this problem solved... -- Ed Carp, N7EKG ecarp@netcom.com 510/659-9560 an38299@anon.penet.fi, anon-1157@twwells.com If you want magic, let go of your armor. Magic is so much stronger than steel! -- Richard Bach, "The Bridge Across Forever" -- Ed Carp, N7EKG ecarp@netcom.com 510/659-9560 an38299@anon.penet.fi, anon-1157@twwells.com If you want magic, let go of your armor. Magic is so much stronger than steel! -- Richard Bach, "The Bridge Across Forever" ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Admin-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.admin) via: Internet: Linux-Admin@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Admin Digest ******************************