From: Digestifier To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 05:15:20 EST Subject: Linux-Admin Digest #200 Linux-Admin Digest #200, Volume #1 Fri, 3 Dec 93 05:15:20 EST Contents: .99pl12 -> .99pl13 problems (Brad Cain) /proc (gast@cs.ucla.edu) Re: how to install LILO (Andreas Klemm) Re: Once again, using tap (Brandon S. Allbery) Re: How to set timezone information? (Tom J Parry) Always IN2000 (gast@cs.ucla.edu) Re: linux with NFS root filesystem?? (Ken Wilcox) Re: Smail woes (Brandon S. Allbery) Re: SLIP server for MSDOG (Aldy Hernandez) Routing tables getting corrupted (Seng-Poh Lee, Speedy) Re: trouble building kernel 0.99 pl 13 with CD-ROM fs (Norman Ramsey) [FAQ did not help] /device busy still! (Mike Lee) backup using floppies (Dr Andy) Wanted: Fullscreen editor (Lawrence Foard) Don't use Motif for free sw: it now requires runtime royalties! (Barry A. Warsaw) INN (Arjan de Vet) Re: Question about syslogd (Greg Wettstein) Re: Network Gateway... (Charles Gillanders) [Q] Diskless Linux (Juergen Quade) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help From: brad@bach.udel.edu (Brad Cain) Subject: .99pl12 -> .99pl13 problems Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 21:22:21 GMT I have SLS 1.03 with the .99pl12 kernel. I have tried to use the patch to upgrade to .99pl13, but the patch only seems to include a binary file called diff. When I run this, it just give me a bunch of meaningless errors... what's going on... thanks -- **************************************************************************** brad@ravel.udel.edu Brad Cain N3NAF cain@snow-white.ee.udel.edu University of Delaware Electrical Engineering ------------------------------ From: gast@cs.ucla.edu Subject: /proc Reply-To: gast@CS.UCLA.EDU (David Gast) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 93 22:20:08 GMT Since SunOs does not use /proc, I have to admit I am somewhat uncertain about this directory, which gets mounted automatically as part of the boot process. Due to file system corruption, I believe, I have three problems. First, /proc/9/exe, /proc/26/exe, and /proc/28/exe are supposed to be symbolic links (based on the l in the leftmost column of ls -l), but they have zero length and no link. According to ps, process 9 is update, process 26 is /usr/bin/lpd and process 28 is /usr/net/daemons/inetd. The time of last modification on the files gets updated each time I reboot, but the link problem still exists. Do I need to fix this problem? Second, /proc/26/fd/[0-5] are symbolic links. The 0-3 seem to be ok, but 4 and 5 are bad. If I try to do an ls on these files, I get a long series of error messages. Some of which are listed below: ls: proc/26/exe: no such file or directory [see first problem] unable to handle kernel paging request at address c0000000 Oops: 0000 ... Segmentation fault. Third, /proc/self/fd/3 does not seem to exist, but find expects to find it. This problem may be related to the way find works and not related to the problems above. I believe these problems happened because two files got put into /lost+found. One of them seems /etc/mtab. This one does not seem to be a problem. The other one is a zero length file. I believe this may be related to the /proc/26/exe problem, but I am not sure. Since I am writing, I would like to report a bug (or at least an interesting feature). I tried to mount my floppy, but it failed. I got repeated messages about a failure. ^C and ^Z failed to stop these messages. I opened another virtual terminal, logged in, did a ps, and then kill -9 PID. The messages still continued. So I did "halt" and it said it was safe to turn the power off. It was not safe to turn the power off, as the file system became corrupted. Is there a proper channel to report this type of bug? Any help would be much appreciated. BTW, is /proc a system V feature? I'd like to read up on it a little although it seems pretty obvious what it's used for. David ------------------------------ From: andreas@knobel.knirsch.de (Andreas Klemm) Subject: Re: how to install LILO Date: 2 Dec 1993 20:12:38 -0000 scc016rf@unm.edu (Robeo) writes: >I am having problems installing LILO on my machine... >To be honest,the documents do not make really any sense to >me so I have given up on trying to install it on my own. >Can anyone help me out with this? >I'm using SLS 1.03 with kernel pl13. >My system setup is: >/dev/hda1 = DOS partition >/dev/hda2 = 16 meg swap space >/dev/hda3 = linux partition >I'd like to have linux boot by default and have the option >to boot DOS. >Can someone PLEASE instruct me on how to set this up? >Any help would be GREATLY appreciated! /etc/lilo/config: boot = /dev/hda compact delay = 50 install = /etc/lilo/boot.b image = /vmlinuz <= the name of your kernel file in / label = linux <= a name of your choice root = /dev/hda3 <= root fs of Linux vga = 3 <= static video mode or "ask" READ-ONLY <= if you have bootutils installed then root will be re-mounted read write after check. Otherwise leave it away. other = /dev/hda1 label = dos table = /dev/hda After that cd /etc/lilo ./setup Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm /\/\____ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH andreas@knobel.knirsch.de ___/\/\/ andreas@sunny.wup.de (Unix Support) ------------------------------ From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) Subject: Re: Once again, using tap Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 02:18:10 GMT In article <1.714.2380.0N27A908@satalink.com> john.will@satalink.com (John Will) writes: >B >>Bullshit, for a given format the QIC-02/36 and SCSI interface operate >B >>at exactly the same speed, this being determined by the physical tape >B > >B >...assuming equivalent quality controllers. An SC01 controller will *not* >B >give performance the equivalent of an AHA1542... > >In this case, you aren't even addressing the same question. The SC01 >and the 1542 are both SCSI controllers, that's not what's being discussed! Typo. Archive SC401, a QIC02 controller. The current modem is the SC499R, and it *might* give similar performance to an ST02 SCSI controller... but I doubt it'll match the AHA1542. ++Brandon -- Brandon S. Allbery kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org "MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years of careful development." ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca ------------------------------ From: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry) Subject: Re: How to set timezone information? Date: 3 Dec 1993 02:32:01 GMT On Thu, 2 Dec 1993 23:48:04 GMT, Maxim Matveev wrote: > Hi, > Can anybody explain me, how to set timezone information on Linux? > First, I simple set TZ environment variable - no effect, > after I try to play with settimeofday. Sure it set desired time, > but not timezone. > Really this is the honor for me to live near London, but > please bring me back to Idaho :) There's a readme file in the zoneinfo directory. /etc/zoneinfo I think (or was it /usr/lib/zoneinfo ... It was only last night that I did it. ). You need to link localtime to the file representing your area. -- Tom J Parry. Your reality is a figment of my imagination. ------------------------------ Crossposted-To: comp.periphs.scsi From: gast@cs.ucla.edu Subject: Always IN2000 Reply-To: gast@CS.UCLA.EDU (David Gast) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 93 21:53:59 GMT I just bought a system which was *not* supposed to have a SCSI controller. When booting Linux, it says it detects one scsi device, an Always IN2000. I believe from reading some FAQ in the past that this device is actually related to controlling the floppy drive. Am I wrong? David ------------------------------ From: wilcox@kpw104.rh.psu.edu (Ken Wilcox) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Re: linux with NFS root filesystem?? Date: 2 Dec 1993 23:31:50 GMT Brian J. Murrell (brian@ilinx.wimsey.com) wrote: : What I want to do is boot from a kernel image `zdisk' and have the : system mount an NFS filesystem from our server as it's root filesystem. : This way I'd be able to take a floppy to any of our systems in house and : boot Linux and also have a half decent sized system. : I realize that I could just create a "ramdisk" root filesystem, but I : don't really want to use up such a precious resource (well it is in the : systems in our office) as RAM for a root filesystem. Besides having to : mount all of the subdirectories onto that root would be a real pain. : I also realize that I could use a floppy based root filesystem, but again : I don't want to use a slow floppy for my root filesystem, and I want to : be able to use that drive after the system is up. : Comments?? I would be interested in doing something like this also. RAM disks are out of the question at this point. Please any thoughts? -Ken Wilcox ------------------------------ From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) Subject: Re: Smail woes Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 02:22:33 GMT In article <2djhk2$8nj@genesis.ait.psu.edu> wilcox@kpw104.rh.psu.edu (Ken Wilcox) writes: >I still recommend sendmail. IMHO, it is the only true mailing system. Gasp. Retch. I used to maintain a sendmail configuration for a (then) major local site. There were always some things that not even the sendmail gurus at CWRU could get working right... I use smail under Linux, MMDF on other systems, both are enormously easier to configure and both do everything I need. Unless by "true mailing system" you mean true UCB-style hacked/slashed code... (NB: the quality of BSD code has gone way *up*hill since BSD started being maintained by serious folks instead of UCB undergrads...) ++Brandon -- Brandon S. Allbery kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org "MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years of careful development." ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca ------------------------------ From: aldy@orion.cc.andrews.edu (Aldy Hernandez) Subject: Re: SLIP server for MSDOG Date: 2 Dec 1993 18:25:23 -0500 In article <1993Dec1.162135.14660@hubcap.clemson.edu> dnedved@hubcap.clemson.edu (David A. Nedved) writes: >In article <2ddv1m$nce@orion.cc.andrews.edu> aldy@orion.cc.andrews.edu (Aldy Hernandez) writes: >>Does anyone know of any SLIP server for msdos-- commercial or free >>(preferably free)? >> >>Aldy >>(aldy@andrews.edu) > >Would anyone who replies also reply on the net also please? There are >quite a few of us out here who would be interested. Well, I am happy to say that after 3 sleepless nights, a long distance call to jon@wariat.org, and many messages posted to different newsgroups, I finally got slip working. This is my story... My computer with access to the internet is at work and it's a DOS machine (only used for telnet). I have a Linux box at home. I got ka9q.zip (use archie) for DOS and got it working with the ethernet card at work. After it was working with the ethernet, I tried getting slip to work. My for ka9q follows. [ attach packet 0x60 eth0 8 1024 # ethernet card uses packet driver hostname DOSBOX ip address DOSBOXIP ifconfig eth0 ipaddress DOSBOXIP ifconfig eth0 broadcast xxx.xxx.x.0 # DOSBOXIP with last number as 0 ifconfig eth0 netmask 255.255.255.0 attach asy 0x3f8 4 slip sl0 1024 576 BAUDRATE # 0x3f8 is io address of com port (com1) # 4 is irq of com port (com1) # 576 = mtu, anything too big died on me (i.e. 1500) # I have no idea what the 1024 is ifconfig sl0 netmask 255.255.255.0 route add default eth0 # default is ethernet route add LINUXIP/32 sl0 # slip is another choice arp publish LINUXIP ethernet 00:aa:00:0d:cc:ad # arp publish line isn't necessary (heck, I don't even know what it does) domain cache clean on # not necessary domain addserver NAMESERVERIP domain suffix DOMAIN # i.e. foo.bar.edu start echo start discard start telnet start ftp start finger start ttylink ] When I get into ka9q by "net -d .", I type "tip sl0" <-- this gets you into a dump terminal mode type anything you want (it doesn't show up). hit F10 to return to command mode type "reset" type "reset" (again) This apparently activates the COM port. The slip server should be up by then. Go to the linux machine and do what the faq on SLIP says. BTW. I had to disable the loopback device on bootup and just use sl0 (on linux). If there is enough interest I can write detailed instructions on the linux and dos side (for my particular case). Aldy ------------------------------ From: splee@pd.org (Seng-Poh Lee, Speedy) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help Subject: Routing tables getting corrupted Date: 3 Dec 1993 04:37:51 GMT I had originally posted this as problem with the network interface, but thanks to help from someone, have isolated my lockup problems to a corrupted routing table. Heres my situation; I have about 5 sub-nets on my network. I set a default gateway on my Linux box. When I access the sub-nets, the route gets redirected, and the correct gateway gets added into the table. Its doesn't happen everytime, but many times, the presence of this new route prevents me from accessing any other network. I tried adding static routes for all the sub-nets, but I STILL get a new duplicate route added when I access a sub-net. Its almost like the system is not able to use the static route, defaults to the gateway, and then a identical redirected route gets added, which appears to mess things up. -- Seng-Poh Lee ------------------------------ From: norman@flaubert.bellcore.com (Norman Ramsey) Subject: Re: trouble building kernel 0.99 pl 13 with CD-ROM fs Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 23:18:25 GMT I reported problems getting the CD-ROM filesystem in 0.99.13. Yes, I double-checked all the obvious things about a clean source tree and so on. For what it's worth, these problems don't exist in 0.99.14, so it's probably irrelevant. Norman ------------------------------ From: Mike.Lee@p3.f506.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Lee) Subject: [FAQ did not help] /device busy still! Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 08:16:36 -0500 Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences Hello, I have tried to get Linux setup so that I can call out and people call in at will. This message kept on poping up if I have the following line; S3::345:respawd:...:ttyS3. Whenever I use kermit, my site will give me a message saying /device busy and it would not let anyone calling in. I tried everything under FAQ and nothing cured the problem. Please help or point me to a more detailed help. Thanks...Mike * Origin: R&D BBS's * `Side_of_Ham' Packet/UseNet/FidoNet Gateway (1:163/506.3) ------------------------------ From: Dr.Andy@p3.f506.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Dr Andy) Subject: backup using floppies Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 16:53:04 -0500 Organization: MDSSC Need help with backup. I have gone through the linux documentation. The suggestion to backup the system is using the tar command. "The easiest way to make a backup using floppies is with tar. The command # tar cvfzM /dev/fd0 / will make a complete backup of your system using the floppy drive /dev/fd0. The "M" option to tar allows the backup to be a mul- tivolume backup; that is, when one floppy is full, tar will prompt for the next." The above quote is from the linux documentation. My question is, What format should the floppies be initially formatted in, before I use them for backup? Please let me know, either through the net or directly to me at andy@pat.mdc.com andy suri * Origin: R&D BBS's * `Side_of_Ham' Packet/UseNet/FidoNet Gateway (1:163/506.3) ------------------------------ From: Lawrence.Foard@p3.f506.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Lawrence Foard) Subject: Wanted: Fullscreen editor Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 17:42:09 -0500 Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <2dbrtp$30a@crl.crl.com> In article <2dbrtp$30a@crl.crl.com>, Fred W. Ramsey wrote: >Please, will someone tell me where I can get a full-screen editor like >PICO, and how to install it (step-by-step, please, I'm a newbie). I don't >wish to go through my baptism of fire using vi or elvis, or whatever, no >matter HOW much history is involved! I want may arrow keys! Thanks. The editor joe comes with both SLS and slackware versions of the distribution. Just type joe [filename] it has wordstar like commands. -- ====== Legalize: >==--< | have given us jacks. . . \ / You are ~1,000,000,000,000,000 .1ms NAND gates have a nice day. . . . \/ The true theory of everything will run on a finite turing machine. . . . * Origin: R&D BBS's * `Side_of_Ham' Packet/UseNet/FidoNet Gateway (1:163/506.3) ------------------------------ From: Barry.A..Warsaw@p3.f506.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Subject: Don't use Motif for free sw: it now requires runtime royalties! Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 22:02:24 -0500 Organization: Century Computing, Inc. Reply-To: warsaw@nlm.nih.gov (Barry A. Warsaw) References: >>>>> "AAD" == Anthony A Datri writes: AAD> I've been hoping for this for years, but it hasn't happened AAD> yet. I'm sure that the existence of one would spur the OSF AAD> to make incompatible changes more often, But isn't this exactly what a blessed API standard is supposed to eliminate?! * Origin: R&D BBS's * `Side_of_Ham' Packet/UseNet/FidoNet Gateway (1:163/506.3) ------------------------------ From: devet@adv.win.tue.nl (Arjan de Vet) Subject: INN Date: 2 Dec 1993 20:25:14 +0100 In article <2djgb1$pqb@genesis.mcs.com>, Herman G. Munster wrote: >Wanna help me get INN working? ;) See: ftp.win.tue.nl:/pub/linux/ports/inn-1.4-linux-0.1.tar.gz Arjan -- Arjan de Vet (home) Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands (work) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 09:55:38 CST From: Greg Wettstein Subject: Re: Question about syslogd > > How do you get syslogd to listen to the net for error messages? > What are the config files? > > -- > > Chris Thompson Email Wait a couple of days and I will post our syslogd/klogd package to one of the major archive sites. This implementation supports both UNIX domain and TCP/IP sockets and can propagate as well as receive messages to network connected machines. Works VERY well on our corporate Linux network. I need to clean up a couple of gotchas imposed by the PL14 kernel and than I will release the code. As always, Dr. G.W. Wettstein Oncology Research Div. Computing Facility Roger Maris Cancer Center UUCP: uunet!plains!wind!greg Fargo, ND 58122 INTERNET: greg%wind.UUCP@plains.nodak.edu Phone: 701-234-2833 ====================================================================== `The truest mark of a man's wisdom is his ability to listen to other men expound their wisdom.' -- GWW ------------------------------ From: chaz@egger-uk.demon.co.uk (Charles Gillanders) Subject: Re: Network Gateway... Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 09:07:37 +0000 In article <1784@gblinux.demon.co.uk> gareth@gblinux.demon.co.uk (Gareth Bult) writes: > I have a SLIP connection to Internet via a Linux box that is also on a LAN > using thin ethernet. I can't seem to get packets to go from another node on > the LAN thru the internet connection (& back)... I've tried all manner of > route command.. Anyone know how this is done??? > > TIA > Gareth. Erm, why would you want to??? Strikes me as a complete waste of resources and time. If the two machines are on the same LAN, there should be no need to send packets out over slip and have them come back again. Even if you should want to do this, you would need to persuade DEMON to change their routing tables to reflect the crazy routing setup that you want. Might I enquire just exactly what you want to achieve? I cant think of any earthly use for the scenario you have just outlined.... Chaz. Chaz Gillanders Analyst/Programmer,Network Fixer, Coffee Drinker and more. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: quade@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Juergen Quade) Subject: [Q] Diskless Linux Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 09:47:53 GMT We are evaluating the possibility to use linux as graphical workstations on a network (ethernet, tpc/ip). For both, for safety and for to have minimal work, we would use diskless pc's, wich were booted from a server (without floppy!). So my question: Is it possible to boot linux over a net (with an eprom on the ethernet card, where can i get such an eprom)? Has someone experiences with booting linux over the net? Does someone use linux only as an X-Terminal? I would appreciate your help Juergen Quade. -- J. Quade LPR, TU-Muenchen Franz-Joseph Strasse 38 ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Admin-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.admin) via: Internet: Linux-Admin@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Admin Digest ******************************