From: Digestifier To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Reply-To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu Date: Thu, 14 Oct 93 19:13:31 EDT Subject: Linux-Admin Digest #109 Linux-Admin Digest #109, Volume #1 Thu, 14 Oct 93 19:13:31 EDT Contents: OPT, REC, IMP (Reed Mangino) Re: Bootdisk made by SLS install hangs during boot (Jim Wright) Re: talk between linux-systems and Suns (Supat Faarungsang - Ansci) Re: C News not posting (Lloyd Miller) Latex goes bananas (Erik Proper) Help upgrading 0.99pl9 to pl13 ----- Have I waited too long?? (ron mcallister) Re: Help upgrading 0.99pl9 to pl13 ----- Have I waited too long?? (Hal N. Brooks) Re: talk between linux-systems and Suns (Arnt Gulbrandsen) Re: talk between linux-systems and Suns (William C Fenner) OS programming in unix ? (simmonr5387@cobra.uni.edu) Re: Dos shell in unix ? (Gareth Bult) Shadow Passwords? (Steven M. Palm) Re: OS programming in unix ? (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) Dos + Linux 2 Controllers (Michael Morrison) Re: OS programming in unix ? (Mark A. Horton) Re: [Q] NIS & shadow ($ Burkhard Kohl) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tornado@esu.edu (Reed Mangino) Subject: OPT, REC, IMP Date: 14 Oct 93 11:18:35 GMT Could someone please tell me what OPT, REC, and IMP mean, respectively? I saw these next to each package during the installation of SLS 1.03. Thanx! -- ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() () tornado@esu.edu () "Easy to use () () Reed R. Mangino () is easy to say!" () () East Stroudsburg University () () ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() ------------------------------ From: wright@aurora.demon.co.uk (Jim Wright) Subject: Re: Bootdisk made by SLS install hangs during boot Reply-To: Wright@aurora.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 09:39:40 +0000 In article frank@manua.gsfc.nasa.gov writes: >Same thing happened to me on a Laptop 386SX. It hang after the code >to detect the soundcard. However, just after the floppy drive was >detected. A line 'floppy: unexpected interrupt' shown up. And I thought >that has something to do with the hangs. Hope this will help someone >trap down the problem. > Exactly the same happened to me on a 486. Cured it by a few random changes to my hardware including disabling one floppy controller and enabling another. As far as I can tell everything else is back how it was now. The floppy controller I disabled was on an IDE MULTI-FUNCTION CARD, IDE PLUS-V3. The one I enabled was on a SuperIDE ISA IDE Caching Disk Controller DC-99/99M. Both are on a PAT48PR ISA/VESA Local Bus System Board. I also lost my CMOS set up - must have shorted the battery while making changes. Maybe that's not back as it was. -- Jim Wright ------------------------------ From: supat@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (Supat Faarungsang - Ansci) Subject: Re: talk between linux-systems and Suns Date: 14 Oct 1993 13:27:21 GMT brei@ouzo.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Norbert Breidohr) writes: >Hello linux-admins, >I think I read all relvant FAQs and HOWTOs but I could not find >a solution for the following problem: >I tried to do a talk between me (logged in to my linux-site) and >an user on a sun-sparcstation. I know, linux and SunOS by default >use different versions of the talk-protocol. So I tried to use >several versions of talk and talk-daemons on linux-side but none >got a connection to the sun. On boths machines talk displays the >following messages > No connection yet > Checking for invitation an caller's machine >After the last message the talk at sun hangs until pressing ctrl-c >and on the linux-site talk dies with the message "Alarm clock". >One time I got a message "talk requested ..." on sun, but never I >got this message under linux. >I think the problem could be solved using a different talk and/or >talkd on linux-site. What I'm really missing is something link >"/etc/in.talkd" under linux, there only is /etc/in.ntalkd (on tsx-11 >and sunsite I found different version auf talkd and ntalkd, but >again: none works the way I want to use it) >I use linux installed from SLS-1.03. >If you ever got working talk between SunOS and linux, please let me >know. >Norbert Breidohr >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dipl.-Ing. Norbert G.J. Breidohr RWTH Aachen, Rogowski-Institut > E-Mail: brei@rog.rwth-aachen.de Schinkelstr. 2 > Tel.: +49 241 80-7591 D-52056 Aachen > Fax : +49 241 80-7605 Germany >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have the same problem. Please let me know the answer too. Also some times it has big core from talk. Does any one know the answer? Thanks. Supat ------------------------------ From: lloyd@lfmcal.cuc.ab.ca (Lloyd Miller) Subject: Re: C News not posting Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 10:41:25 GMT Kok Ewe Tan (ketan@hellcat.ecn.uoknor.edu) wrote: > I have installed the C News that came with SLS 1.03 and whenever I > tried to post anything, it just doesn't get posted. I've checked out > the /usr/spool/.. directories and only the directories for the > newsgroups are there. Looking thru the FAQ and HOWTOs does not seem to > explain this problem. I hope somebody can help me here. I dunno if it is still a problem with SLS 1.03 but I had to update sed before my posts would work right. (I currently have sed V 2.00 but I think the previous version was ok too.) -- Lloyd Miller, Calgary lloyd@lfmcal.cuc.ab.ca Lloyd_Miller@f57.n17.z1.fidonet.org ------------------------------ From: erikp@cs.kun.nl (Erik Proper) Subject: Latex goes bananas Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 16:01:49 GMT Hi, whenever I run LaTeX on my PC, I will load some style files from an SUN NFS server. Every now and then, latex will report an error when reading these style files, as it encounters bogus characters (which are not really in the file!!!). Has anyone else encountered such a problem? I have tried mounting the nfs filesystem with rsize=512, and wsize=512. This did not help. I am not sure wether it is a problem with net-2, the d-link (yep its a notebook) driver, or with latex. Conversely, when a SUN sparcstation mounts a filesyzstem from my Notebook, the latex running on the sun works flawlessly.... Erik Proper -- |--------- ----- ----- ---- ---- ---- --- --- --- -- -- -- > | Erik Proper (erikp@zeus.cs.kun.nl), | University of Nijmegen, Department of Software Engineering, | Information Systems Group, Toernooiveld, NL-6525 ED Nijmegen, ------------------------------ From: mcallist@smdis01.mcclellan.af.mil (ron mcallister) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux Subject: Help upgrading 0.99pl9 to pl13 ----- Have I waited too long?? Date: 14 Oct 1993 09:37:01 -0700 Dear People: I need to install emacs 19, and I am having problems extracting enough contiguous information from the various READMES, HOWTOS and FAQs. I have apparaently waited too long between upgrades and now I am faced with having to get a binary compiled version of gcc2.4.5 for i386. I would like to download the source for 0.99pl13 and compile it as I usually do, but It seems that HJ does not provide binaries for i386. o Is there another ftp site where i386 versions of the latest gcc/libs can be found? o Should I give up and spend days downloading another SLS/Slackware release? o Can the gcc-2.4.5/lib-4.3.3 be built from gcc-2.3.3? It is impossible to learn the system by downloading 'distributions'. I would appreciate any help you can offer..... My current configuration: i386 libc.so.4.3.3 libm.so.4.3.3 libX11.so.3.0 Linux 0.99.pl9-3 gcc 2.3.3 mostly SLS 1.01 utilities. emacs-19.19-A.Notes says: Use at least: 0.99.11 and libX11.so.3 (DLL Jump 3.0pl0) libc.so.4 (DLL Jump 4.4pl1) libm.so.4 (DLL Jump 4.4pl1) release.gcc-2.4.5 says: i486 Binaries only included. must have 0.99pl10 with C library 4.4.1 to run it. RELEASE-0.99.13 says: Make sure you have gcc-2.4.5 or newer installed. Sincerely, Ronan ============================================================================= ------------------------------ From: hal@pollux.cs.uga.edu (Hal N. Brooks) Subject: Re: Help upgrading 0.99pl9 to pl13 ----- Have I waited too long?? Date: 14 Oct 1993 17:53:48 GMT Reply-To: hal@pollux.cs.uga.edu (Hal N. Brooks) In article <29jv7d$5ir@smdis01.mcclellan.af.mil> mcallist@smdis01.mcclellan.af.mil (ron mcallister) writes: > >Dear People: > >I need to install emacs 19, and I am having problems extracting enough >contiguous information from the various READMES, HOWTOS and FAQs. First, please don't cross-post to so many groups. There are flame wars going on now over things like this. Thank god you didn't post this to c.o.l.d. :-) Your original post went to comp.os.linux.help, comp.os.linux.admin, comp.os.linux.misc, and comp.os.linux. I'm only following-up to c.o.l.admin. > >I have apparaently waited too long between upgrades and now I am faced >with having to get a binary compiled version of gcc2.4.5 for i386. > >I would like to download the source for 0.99pl13 and compile it as I >usually do, but It seems that HJ does not provide binaries for i386. > > o Is there another ftp site where i386 versions of the latest > gcc/libs can be found? > > o Should I give up and spend days downloading another > SLS/Slackware release? > > o Can the gcc-2.4.5/lib-4.3.3 be built from gcc-2.3.3? > First, binaries compiled for a 486 will run on your 386. They're just a little bit bigger, and you won't see the improvement in speed that this affords 486 owners. >It is impossible to learn the system by downloading 'distributions'. >I would appreciate any help you can offer..... True, and unless you've done virtually nothing to enhance the usability of your installation since originally installing it, I would advise against downloading another SLS or Slackware release. > > >My current configuration: > >i386 >libc.so.4.3.3 >libm.so.4.3.3 >libX11.so.3.0 >Linux 0.99.pl9-3 >gcc 2.3.3 >mostly SLS 1.01 utilities. > >emacs-19.19-A.Notes says: > >Use at least: >0.99.11 and >libX11.so.3 (DLL Jump 3.0pl0) >libc.so.4 (DLL Jump 4.4pl1) >libm.so.4 (DLL Jump 4.4pl1) > >release.gcc-2.4.5 says: > >i486 Binaries only included. >must have 0.99pl10 with C library 4.4.1 to run it. > >RELEASE-0.99.13 says: > >Make sure you have gcc-2.4.5 or newer installed. 1) As I've stated, you can use the 486 binaries. 2) It's been noted by others that gcc 2.4.5 doesn't *really* require 0.99pl10, it will basically work with 0.99pl9, but some of the networking code might be adversely effected. 3) So the best advise I've seen for this process would be to: a) get and install libc-4.4.1 b) get and install gcc-2.4.5 c) get the source for 0.99pl13 and make your kernel. You will probably find that your /lib/cpp is a symbolic link to /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.3.3/cpp, so you'll want to change that to /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.4.5/cpp when installing gcc-2.4.5. It looks like you don't necessarily need to upgrade XFree86 yet. I hope this helps, but of course if it trashes your hard disk, smokes your monitor, or otherwise causes minor inconveniences, you're on your own. :-) ====================================================================== Hal N. Brooks Voice: (706) 546-7792 Internet: hal@cs.uga.edu ====================================================================== ------------------------------ From: agulbra@nvg.unit.no (Arnt Gulbrandsen) Subject: Re: talk between linux-systems and Suns Date: 14 Oct 1993 17:57:07 GMT In article <29jk3p$ss3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Supat Faarungsang - Ansci wrote: >brei@ouzo.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Norbert Breidohr) writes: >>I tried to do a talk between me (logged in to my linux-site) and >>an user on a sun-sparcstation. I know, linux and SunOS by default >>use different versions of the talk-protocol. So I tried to use >>several versions of talk and talk-daemons on linux-side but none >>got a connection to the sun. They use different versions talk protocols because the old one is fatally flawed: It depends on byte order. Linux uses the new one (I think :-) and Sun the old one. The solution is for Sun to use the new one, but in the meantime you can get and install ytalk on both machines. The latest version is 3.0.1. It's in the USENET sources archives, and I can make it avialable for FTP if anyone wants me to. As for the following: >I have the same problem. Please let me know the answer too. >Also some times it has big core from talk. >Does any one know the answer? >Thanks. >Supat You quoted _all_ of the original posting just to say that? -- Arnt Gulbrandsen, agulbra@nvg.unit.no I'm running out of jokes. If you know one that's funny twice, send it to me! -- Arnt Gulbrandsen, agulbra@nvg.unit.no I'm running out of jokes. If you know one that's funny twice, send it to me! ------------------------------ From: fenner@cmf.nrl.navy.mil (William C Fenner) Subject: Re: talk between linux-systems and Suns Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 18:01:13 GMT This should definitely be in a FAQ. Here's an article I posted in August to comp.os.linux: In article <1993Aug9.200819.5097@nstn.ns.ca>, Hai Pham wrote: >As far as I can tell, >the problem comes from some funny talk protocol that Sun uses, but no one >else does. Correct. Sun still supplies the old talk client and daemon programs with SunOS and Solaris. The old talk programs were written when all the world was a VAX, and you didn't have to worry about silly little things like network transparency between different architectures. The folly of old talk was seen quickly, thus the ntalk protocol was designed, and using ntalk anyone can talk to anyone. Sun, however, neglected to notice the rest of the world, just like they still use foo.0 as the default broadcast address. [Actually, this is fixed in Solaris 2.x . Yee haw.] If you really want to talk to the people on the Suns, get them to install ntalk. You *may* be able to use ytalk from your Linux machine to talk to someone on a Sun, but it's doubtful. Bill -- Bill Fenner fenner@cmf.nrl.navy.mil ------------------------------ From: simmonr5387@cobra.uni.edu Subject: OS programming in unix ? Date: 14 Oct 93 13:03:03 -0500 Hey, Does anyone know of a good book that teaches programming unix (ie using system calls and so forth) if so can I get title and author. BTW I am a good C programmer, i just have never written anything to interact with unix OS. So a newbie book is NOT what I am looking for. -- Danke -- Rob ------------------------------ From: gareth@gblinux.demon.co.uk (Gareth Bult) Subject: Re: Dos shell in unix ? Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 20:05:49 GMT ???? depends on the nifty game in question. The DOS emulator (dosemu) certainly handles VGA graphics mode... Indeed it ran all the demo's off the last Magazine demo disk I got... (Solitaire, patience etc...) :) ------------------------------ From: smp@solaria.mil.wi.us (Steven M. Palm) Subject: Shadow Passwords? Date: 14 Oct 1993 17:10:42 GMT I'm setting up Linux for my own personal use. Odds are that it will never be publicly accessable. I installed from the Slackware 1.04 release, and find it quite nice. But I see that it also uses the Shadow Passwords. What exactly are Shadow passwords? How are they different from a normal setup, and will they cause any problems at all for future software packages?? Is there a way to remove them if they do? Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I haven't seen it mentioned. ---- Steven M. Palm FidoNet, if you must, 1:154/600.0 Milwaukee, WI smp@solaria.mil.wi.us ------------------------------ From: zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) Subject: Re: OS programming in unix ? Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 19:29:17 GMT In article <1993Oct14.130303.18000@cobra.uni.edu> simmonr5387@cobra.uni.edu writes: >Hey, > >Does anyone know of a good book that teaches programming unix (ie using >system calls and so forth) if so can I get title and author. >BTW I am a good C programmer, i just have never written anything to interact >with unix OS. So a newbie book is NOT what I am looking for. Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment, W. Richard Stevens, Addison-Wesley Professional Computing Series, ISBN 0-201-56317-7 >-- Danke > >-- Rob -- --- Zeyd M. Ben-Halim zmbenhal@netcom.com 10479 1/4 Santa Monica Blvd, LA, CA, 90025 (310) 470-0281 ------------------------------ From: morrison@ccad.uiowa.edu (Michael Morrison) Subject: Dos + Linux 2 Controllers Date: 14 Oct 1993 15:47:29 -0500 Is is possible to boot and use DOS off of the 2nd hard drive controller in your system? I have 2 MFM drives with Linux installed on them (with LILO), and just got an IDE hd+controller that I want to run DOS off of. Must I install the atdisk patches for LILO to recognize this other controller in the system, when it will be DOS only? Then if I can get this to work, will DOS even work using the 2nd controller in the system? (I realize that was not a Linux question, but I figured someone here would know) -thanks in advance. Mike -- - Mike Morrison - Linux - The choice of a GNU generation. - Software Engineer - - Iowa Driving Simulator - "What are all these little buttons for?" ------------------------------ From: mahmha@crl.com (Mark A. Horton) Subject: Re: OS programming in unix ? Date: 14 Oct 1993 14:23:07 -0700 simmonr5387@cobra.uni.edu wrote: : Hey, : Does anyone know of a good book that teaches programming unix (ie using : system calls and so forth) if so can I get title and author. : BTW I am a good C programmer, i just have never written anything to interact : with unix OS. So a newbie book is NOT what I am looking for. : -- Danke : -- Rob "Using C on the UNIX System" by David A. Curry; O'Reilly & Associates, Inc. ISBN 0-937175-23-4 -- Mark A. Horton mah@ka4ybr.com (or here) P.O.Box 747 Decatur GA US 30031-0747 ICBM: 33 45 N / 084 16 W +1.404.371.0291 Cruise: 33 45 30 N / 084 16 50 W "We may note that, for the purposes of these experiments, the symbol "=" has the meaning "may be confused with." ------------------------------ From: buk@taz.de ($ Burkhard Kohl) Subject: Re: [Q] NIS & shadow Date: 14 Oct 1993 21:26:12 GMT Reply-To: buk@taz.de In article 749911629@thor, scier@thor.tjhsst.edu (Sean Cier) writes: > I'm setting up a net running linux, and though I've found shadow-based >versions of xdm and other utilities, NIS seems to be eluding me. Does anyone >know where I might find an NIS (Yellow Pages) system that uses the shadow >password files? > We just copied a package by Swen Th"ummler of the Uni Paderborn that supplies some of YP functions. You find it in ftp.uni-paderborn:/pcsoft2/linux/local/yp It has a replacement for lib.cso.4.4.2 and contains the binaris for ypbind, ypcat, ypmatch, ypset, ypwhich and domainname and the sources as well. It includeds source for yppasswd as well but they reported problems with yppasswd in connection with Sun hardware. We will install the package on our box in a couple of days. If you have more questions relating to that package you might want to ask the originator (its based on the work of others) - swen@uni-paderborn.de --- _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ Burkhard Kohl _/ _/ _/ _/ buk@taz.de _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ die tageszeitung _/ _/ _/ _/ Germany _/ _/ _/ _/ 10969 Berlin Phone: +30-259-02-120 _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ Kochstr. 18 FAX : +30-251-06-94 ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: Linux-Admin-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.admin) via: Internet: Linux-Admin@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Admin Digest ******************************